After reading this I’m now convinced more than ever that we must’ve been somehow separated at birth. When asked who will I be voting for Biden(now Harris) or Trump people are often shocked when I tell them neither, I will be voting for the Green Party’s Dr. Jill Stein simply cus I’ve been long since escaped the two party plantation. The status quo of the duopoly has kept us all in a stranglehold long enough, far too long. And of course they respond with voting for 3rd party is a vote for the Republican or Democrat depending on which party they cape for, to which I reply if it means a stand against the status quo then I’m more than willing to take the risk. To be clear voting for the Green Party & Dr. Stein isn’t necessarily about winning in the short term it’s primarily about reaching the 5% voting threshold required to secure federal campaign funding going forward. In a perfect world I would love to help the Greens reach 15% needed to obtain their spot at the debates. If by choosing to do this I’m accused of throwing my vote away then so be it.
Well I’m not sure who the ‘he’ is you referring hopefully he isn’t RFKjr who has shown himself to be another apologist for the Zionist entity pretending to be a Progressive. Reportedly Dr. Stein is approx 990 shy of the 3891 signatures needed for ballot access in Wyoming. As it currently stands Dr Stein will be on the ballot in 30 states and is either still petitioning or awaiting certification in the remaining states. So I remain very hopeful that she’ll be on the ballot in all 50 states including PR.
Let’s try not to concern ourselves with semantics. Nevertheless I am well aware of this fact cus had I actually thought PR was a state including it wouldn’t have been necessary.
Gosh apparently it was a mistake to believe that we were engaged in a serious convo but it appears you’ve opted for the ridiculous. I don’t do that I won’t waste any more of my energy nor yours. Peace ✌🏽
It appears that either you’re trying to know the truth or simply ignoring the truth about RFKjr who apparently is the he you’re supporting. If you were really interested in knowing then you could easily find that there aren’t allegations, for you can discover how much he’s a Zionist apologist directly from him. For example during a face 2 face interview with Rashad Bilal RFKjr made the absurd assertion that Israel doesn’t & has never intentionally targeted civilians and they’re doing all they can to save lives in Gaza. If there’s anybody to accuse of being “an apologist propagandists” it’s without question RFKjr. I mean that statement was directly from the IOF spokesperson(s) despite calling for the complete annihilation of Gaza, referring to all Gazans as human animals who must be slaughtered. I ask you if Israel doesn’t intentionally target civilians then explain all those tens of thousands killed or seriously wounded by sniper fire during the Great March of Return a peaceful protest nonviolent protest? If after you this one instance you’re still gonna support this man then you may want to consider your moral compass severely broken. Hopefully not beyond redemption.
Green Party members in good standing from each state. Every political party has members in good standing stand as their electors to the Electoral College. That’s how it works according to the Constitution.
It is, but candidates are supposed to have their own electors from each state. I guess the original writers of the Constitution figured the candidates would have sufficient contacts in the communities to have people who would go and vote for him (as it was only white land-owning males) as president. Political parties just make it that much easier on the candidates.
If you're talking about the US then local elections are copies of the big one. Same thing, everything and everyone is bought and arranged to serve interests. The interests being local does not disqualify them from using the same means and working in the same manner.
The real engagement would be outside the rigged voting system. Getting involved in your community doesn't require vote registration.
Yeah, actually I’m a liberal progressive. I’m being sarcastic but not sarcastic saying “thank you for voting for Trump” cause any vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Trump and we can’t allow another Trump presidency.
Why not? Did you read Caitlin's piece before you commented? Trump is the same as Biden/Harris is the same as Trump... It doesn't make a difference which duopolists is the figurehead in the White House. The billionaires/oligarchs are in charge. Unless we fight back by throwing a monkey wrench into the works by voting outside of the box and voting for the Green Party's Jill Stein. But it takes true courage, Matthew, and you might not have enough courage to vote for Jill. I'm sorry.
Sane American people who want at least to maintain the degree of freedom we’ve enjoyed for the past 248 years. I guess you really are a Russian bot, huh?
Biden blew up the 1st amendment. The only amendment basically still intact is the 2nd. Biden wrote the patriot act in 1995 just waiting for a time tp pass it. Obama rescinded habeas corpus, but sure it’s Trump who will take away our freedoms. How do people not know the truth?
"actually I’m a liberal progressive" and then "Sane American people" 🤣
Shitlib category covers "liberal progressives". Your further claiming to be a "sane American person" solidifies the condition beyond any doubt, reasonable or unreasonable. 😉🤣🤡
Ha ha ha ha, elites! I went to to public schools and City College of New York. Hardly elite. I have a small business and employ people to whom I pay very good wages. I have a thoroughly working class background. The Democratic Party is still the party of the working class. Donald Trump is the vermin.
This Vote Team D Because Muh Democracy babble brings to mind the chilling question that Anton Chiguhr asked Carson Wells in “No Country for Old Men”: “If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?”
I'm with M.Browning. I'm going to vote for the other Jew, the non-Zionist Jew, the seeker of peace, Dr. Jill Stein. By many of his acts as POTUS, Trump simply follows instructions from Bibi. It appears JD Vance will do the same.
I’d leave the U.S. in a minute if I could. Trump will destroy what little good there is left in my country. He’ll also pull out of NATO entirely and leave Europe to the tender mercies of his good pal Vlad. Forget Ukraine, Ukrainian independence will end. So you think I don’t give a shit about the rest of the world? Do you think a protest vote for Stein or Kennedy is going to change that the U.S. is a corporate state. I’m voting for sanity & stability & the option to still protest things like US support of Israel massacring Gazans.
Sure I’d like a no evils option, when has that ever been the case in any democratic republic? Gotta say to you and all 3rd party voters, get your idealist head out of your utopian hole. The lesser of two evils is all the choice we’ve ever had or ever will.
Wow well stated Mister Taylor I only wish that the entire last paragraph could fit on a T-shirt. I would darn sure help pay for putting it on billboards across the country.✊🏽👏🏽
It makes a difference this time. If we vote for the Dems ticket, we’ll have the opportunity to protest and try to really change things. If we vote for Clownigula we get authoritarian dictatorship. Full stop! Protest will be criminalized. Butternut Berlusconi and those behind him want full on Russian style autocracy, nothing less. Yes there is a difference between Dems & GOP. The Dems gave us FDR who in turn brought about social security, NLRB, fair housing, Medicare cause they were unable to pass full national health coverage. Who do you think shot that down and tried to kill the social safety net plans FDR pushed? Republicans. LBJ pushed through the civil rights act and endorsed welfare. Rethuglicans attempted to torpedo this plans as well. The Democratic Party has been on the right side of history since the 1930s. The GOP has always been the party of the bankers and grifters. I’m truly sick and tired with the uninformed refrain that both party are the same. THEY ARE NOT!!!
Matthew, there is no such creature as a nice, cuddly genocidal fascist. As Ralph Nader has often said: "Voting for the 'lesser of two evils' is still evil." And the truth of that is evidenced by the collapsing genocidal empire that is putting us all in danger.
Don't you find it interesting, Matthew, that today's Democrats NEVER, EVER refer to FDR ... the single most successful, consequential Dem president who won four elections while being outspent ten-to-one. Huh?
Curious, eh?
Not really when you see they have become the very thing FDR campaigned against.
When you saw all those flatulent Dems chumming up to Netanyahu the other night it is impossible to say on the Number One issue of this time -- support of genocide -- there is any difference. A genocide led by a Dem president who has long proclaimed himself a "proud Zionist" ... a man of dual loyalties who, on that issue alone, should be immediately removed from office.
As a former co-chair of my local Democratic Party and one who helped on campaigns and donated far too much money, I went along with the hope that the 'lesser evil' would come around and all that has brought is an even more corporate, corrupt and genocidal Democratic Party. No, Matthew, our politics are dead. We have one corporate UniPaty. Call 'em the Republocrats or the Democans -- either way -- there is no functional difference and will both lead us to the same hellhole.
You mean like protesting against genocide? The response from dem governors and their police goon squads have been made practically illegal. Have you heard what Biden and Harris said about them? Gawd you are really quite funny.
I'm guessing you haven't been protesting under Obama or Biden much have you?
No, not designated complaint zone 'protesting'. Actually disrupting government meetings, shutting down factories, and facing off against strikebreakers.
Wall Street donated more money to Obama in 2008 than any president in US history, before or after. It was worth every penny. Now, Kamala is Bernie who supports every stupid forever war. Since "right" and "left" no longer mean anything in the US, the Republicrat party is a fascist forever-war party. They almost all voted for everything evil since 9/11. Also, we have never been further from free market capitalism. In fascisms, the narrative is always more important than the economy.
Unfortunately, that's never going to happen again organically, because propaganda is at too high a level of sophistication and coordination. We need to up our game, and badly.
'Trump helps ensure that right wing Americans who are dissatisfied with their country’s status quo politics will remain plugged into the Republican Party, which never does anything besides promoting the imperial status quo of oligarchy and militarism. But what takes a little more looking to see is that he plays the same role for the left as well' 📢♥️
I no longer find it surprising that a large number of Trump supporters haven’t a grasp at all of the realities surrounding their guy’s political record, they’re apparently satisfied with belonging to a cult of personality. Honestly I find it pretty sad that they rather believe one or more of the well documented 26K & counting outright lies Trump has so proudly disseminated than face the truth that they’ve allowed themselves to be conned by the biggest idiot in politics. Heck what’s worse is the late Mary Anne Trump warned us about Donald Sr. saying, “ yes, he’s an idiot with zero common sense and no social skills but he’s my son. I just hope he doesn’t get into politics, he’ll be a disaster.”
"Cult of personality." There are some Trump supporters who fit that description, but I think most of them vote for him because he is hated by the same people who tell them they're deplorable idiots and that their hopes and dreams do not count.
Democratic voters are FAR more cultish than Republican ones in 2024, much less us ornery independents who often don't vote at all. There used to be a saying, "Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love."
That's no longer true. The Republican Party has fractured because of Trump, or rather Trump's voters, but the Democrats no longer merely fall in love with the candidate their high priests select for them, but demand that the rest of us should fall in line with them or else.
I WAS a Republican voter. At one time, I DID like Trump. Boy, oh, boy, have I awakened in the last 4+ years! Once awake, it’s impossible to go back to sleep. My initial awakening was in 2007, and it’s been one truth bomb after another!
I was a dem voter until Obama’s first 100 days. I got snookered, but then I kicked myself for not seeing how bad Clinton was. 30 million people lost their jobs because of him. 10 million people got their homes stolen because of Obama. But sure…Trump will be worse Best thing he did was cancel Obama’s TPP. We would have lost more jobs.
True, but it's worth realising that this set-up was ALREADY in play for decades before Trump turned up. It was the inevitable result of Billy Clinton's moving of the Demonrats onto Repug territory.
The Repugs were left with the choice of genuinely appealing to the working classes, or moving into far-right Reactionary politics.
We know what happened.
But this also left the Demonrats without a natural ideology or 'base', neoliberalism being as exciting as mouldy custard. So up trots "Identity Politics".
Needless to say, once the low-hanging fruit (Gay marriage, Black POTUS etc) had been picked, they too could only go into the batshit territory, to create a duopoly that can ONLY attract voters by the horribleness (Real or imagined) of the 'other' side.
Sure, individuals play their roles, and sometimes logjam, but otherwise it's almost psychohistorical inevitability.
TBF, during the British Empire's global reign of terror, there would be less than no chance for any Fidel Castro type to get into Parliament, let alone take power legally.
Spot on!!! If you stuck a tiny pin in my Dad, he oozed Roosevelt, Roosevelt, and more Roosevelt. He began spinning in his grave when Billy Boy signed the bill abolishing Glass-Steagall. If not for the 200 lb. Block of concrete on top of him, he would have bolted upright and gone on to fiendishly haunt Barack for failing to jail a single one of the collateralized debt frauds who brought on the 2008 meltdown. Let’s also mention being deaf, dumb, and blind when the Lords of Commerce used the globalism fad to offshore millions of blue collar jobs. Dems lose elections because they refuse to dance with those who brought them to the ball.
sometimes i think the american public (like europeans) is larping being fooled, though. a combo of fear for empire's full force and riding the gravy train of domestic and foreign exploitation.
"other people not seeing it" - they do, they just don't care to challenge it, they're fine with it. Shitlib ethics, however, requires them to say the right things and hide their true intentions, which they may not even able to verbalize.
You need to take off rose-colored glasses when looking at people so you could see through them. "By their fruits you'll know them".
Another ludicrous outcome is that some of my actually leftist acquaintances in usually Blue states possibly in play are now seriously considering changing from third-party to Trump votes because they'll do anything to keep the warmongering Dems and Kamala out. While I certainly understand and share their animosity toward the Biden years, it also seems like a marker of the desperation that springs from the tragi-comedy of duopoly politics and the diverse ploys that ultimately lead to as you say "pulling in public support for the imperial status quo".
Yeah, well your suspicions are not out of line based on the info I revealed. And that's the reason it's such a tragedy. If you knew these folks as well as I do -- since we campaigned for Jill in '16, you'd realize that they're far from the useless shitelibs you're likely envisioning, up to this point, both intending to vote Green again. When I tell them that if we're going to waste our time voting, we must try to vote against both warmongering wings of the duopoly, they first agree, then subsequently tell me that they're desperate to get the Dems out because they've become the worst warmongerers. It strikes me as the desperation reaction of people who see no future for their grandchildren in the US, but it's shocking and hugely disappointing regardless.
I am as cynical about Trump as anyone, BUT, why was he shot at? One cannot deny that this shot was an attempted killing, but WHO by? A young crazed assassin? I do not think so1. The astonishing "failure" of the security service was so blatant that the only conclusion possible is that it was the US security service themselves who wished Trump dead. Why and who could want Donald eliminated? Trump is on record saying that he can end the Ukraine war as soon as he is elected. To find Donald`s would be killers ask who desperately wants the Ukraine war to continue. Putin has already stated publicly that he is looking for peace talks but who else apart from arms dealers wants this war to continue. I wonder if Donald realises this? He is probably not stupid.
Where does that nonsense come from? They DID find a good shooter. He hit the target in the head at long range with a rifle not designed for sharpshooting.
You're assuming that 1. 'They' wanted to shoot at trump, 2. They selected some random guy to do it, 3. They (maybe) wanted to just nick trump in the ear, and 4. They wanted too... what, make him a living martyr against *checks notes* the 'They' here?
Okay - as far as I am concerned, that was a complete scam! How convenient that they "tackle" him so he is "off camera" so they can apply the stage blood to his ear! And then when he puts his RIGHT HAND up in the air, there is no blood on it? It is just like the WWF all over again (I remember it being the WWF, even though it changed its name to the WWE)! Total theatrics!
A legit question. Because Trump says the quiet parts out loud.
Because of the feat that the Empire’s various vassals, puppets, lackeys and catamites would less blindly obey orders coming from a gauche loudmouth like Trump.
Da 'covid' was also used spectacularly by industry funded, professional climate crisis deniers the Heartland Institute to whip up terror of left wing climate lockdowns in the style of fake pandemic ones (it wasn't just a serendipity you know). They wrote in the Hill in Dec 2020 '‘In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.
Up until 2019 the environmental, climate justice and vegan movements were picking up momentum. Big fossil fuel and big animal ag (sister to big pharma) had to do something!
Maybe ten years ago I heard Bill Maher say the New York Times was extreme left. I swore that that was the last time I would ever hear Bill Maher say anything. So far so good.
Nope. Shitlibs want to keep using "right", just without "left". Being stupid enough - what's new - not to realize that there can't be one without the other.
Yes JennyStokes, it is not only that ' most people have no idea what is left ' - the blurring is intentional - the US has abused the terms 'left' and 'right' and robbed them of all meaning. This is also tied up with their grasp of what constitute ethical behaviour.
It is 'left' to support a proxy war in Ukraine and paint an existential war that Russia is fighting as a full scale invasion. And to hold a bizarre idea of Israel - an occupying power -having the right to self-defence.
Great minds think alike. I spent an hour a few weeks ago telling my MAGA brother in law that his extreme devotion to Trump basically equated to him being all in on the GOP.
The extremely clever and sophisticated use of propaganda reflects the extensive use of scores of consultants by the parties and the candidates. Expecting regular people to stay on top of this degree of focused manipulation is asking a lot. The super-wealthy will go to great lengths to defend their power and wealth. They will deceive and murder without the slightest hesitation. The only real effective attack that can succeed against these sociopathic, parasitic, absolutely anti-democratic, and powerful, bastards, is a Progressive, Pro-Union, Movement, tied fundamentally with Mother Nature herself. The limitations of the natural world are LOOMING! And they contain the doom of Corporate Capitalism. This Movement is inevitable. The sooner this is recognized the better it will be. The oligarchs are crazy, twisted, and sick. Their time is ending.
Trump has always been ‘team aristocracy’. Why hard working Americans fall for his bs is perplexing. He’s no outsider. Remember when George W hated Obama? That was hilarious!!. Same team, same reality show. I wish my fellow well meaning citizens would see all this for what it is, a big fat joke on them. I’m not sure how to fix it
After reading this I’m now convinced more than ever that we must’ve been somehow separated at birth. When asked who will I be voting for Biden(now Harris) or Trump people are often shocked when I tell them neither, I will be voting for the Green Party’s Dr. Jill Stein simply cus I’ve been long since escaped the two party plantation. The status quo of the duopoly has kept us all in a stranglehold long enough, far too long. And of course they respond with voting for 3rd party is a vote for the Republican or Democrat depending on which party they cape for, to which I reply if it means a stand against the status quo then I’m more than willing to take the risk. To be clear voting for the Green Party & Dr. Stein isn’t necessarily about winning in the short term it’s primarily about reaching the 5% voting threshold required to secure federal campaign funding going forward. In a perfect world I would love to help the Greens reach 15% needed to obtain their spot at the debates. If by choosing to do this I’m accused of throwing my vote away then so be it.
I'm voting for the third most likely candidate if he gets on the ballot in Wyoming.
I doubt if Jill Stein will be on it.
Well I’m not sure who the ‘he’ is you referring hopefully he isn’t RFKjr who has shown himself to be another apologist for the Zionist entity pretending to be a Progressive. Reportedly Dr. Stein is approx 990 shy of the 3891 signatures needed for ballot access in Wyoming. As it currently stands Dr Stein will be on the ballot in 30 states and is either still petitioning or awaiting certification in the remaining states. So I remain very hopeful that she’ll be on the ballot in all 50 states including PR.
PR is not a state.
Let’s try not to concern ourselves with semantics. Nevertheless I am well aware of this fact cus had I actually thought PR was a state including it wouldn’t have been necessary.
Yes. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and can vote in national elections.
Are you an apologist for silly propagandists?
Are you an 'apologist' for retaining the status quo?
The status quo has been undefendable since Lincoln's treason.
Gosh apparently it was a mistake to believe that we were engaged in a serious convo but it appears you’ve opted for the ridiculous. I don’t do that I won’t waste any more of my energy nor yours. Peace ✌🏽
Unsourced allegations are dimestore fiction to me.
It appears that either you’re trying to know the truth or simply ignoring the truth about RFKjr who apparently is the he you’re supporting. If you were really interested in knowing then you could easily find that there aren’t allegations, for you can discover how much he’s a Zionist apologist directly from him. For example during a face 2 face interview with Rashad Bilal RFKjr made the absurd assertion that Israel doesn’t & has never intentionally targeted civilians and they’re doing all they can to save lives in Gaza. If there’s anybody to accuse of being “an apologist propagandists” it’s without question RFKjr. I mean that statement was directly from the IOF spokesperson(s) despite calling for the complete annihilation of Gaza, referring to all Gazans as human animals who must be slaughtered. I ask you if Israel doesn’t intentionally target civilians then explain all those tens of thousands killed or seriously wounded by sniper fire during the Great March of Return a peaceful protest nonviolent protest? If after you this one instance you’re still gonna support this man then you may want to consider your moral compass severely broken. Hopefully not beyond redemption.
he needs to source the "allegation" that RFK Jr is a genocide supporter? the source is RFK Jr's own mouth.
Doesn't matter if Jill Stein is NOT on the ballot.....write in her name.
What is the point of writing in someone who has no electors?
Jill actually has "electors" for the electoral college. (I'm one of them. Yes, I signed an official document to serve as a elector in my state.)
Point is it all means nothing..........so make the point!
After saying that the point is it all means nothing, why is another point needed?
To make a point that the US people will NEVER get a new party and will decline (like it is doing) so fast.
It didn't have them in the beginning, another good reason for being an originalist.
The country has been in decline since Lincoln's treason.
Yes, Jill is on the Wyoming ballot.
Who are her electors?
Green Party members in good standing from each state. Every political party has members in good standing stand as their electors to the Electoral College. That’s how it works according to the Constitution.
The Constitution is silent about political parties.
It is, but candidates are supposed to have their own electors from each state. I guess the original writers of the Constitution figured the candidates would have sufficient contacts in the communities to have people who would go and vote for him (as it was only white land-owning males) as president. Political parties just make it that much easier on the candidates.
And if neither of them get on there's always Dick Cheney. Wyoming's Mickey Mouse.
That is a terrible thing to say about an innocent cartoon character.
I’m not voting. Why bother? Voting simply gives consent to a failed election system. No thanks!
Vote locally if nothing else, you should be actively engaged in your community regardless of which sycophant of the Capitalist Party is in power.
If you're talking about the US then local elections are copies of the big one. Same thing, everything and everyone is bought and arranged to serve interests. The interests being local does not disqualify them from using the same means and working in the same manner.
The real engagement would be outside the rigged voting system. Getting involved in your community doesn't require vote registration.
I live in an asleep blue area. People are wearing masks again. Voting makes no difference.
Thank you for voting for Trump!
You're in the right place. This is shitlib paradise. Fun!
Yeah, actually I’m a liberal progressive. I’m being sarcastic but not sarcastic saying “thank you for voting for Trump” cause any vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Trump and we can’t allow another Trump presidency.
Why not? Did you read Caitlin's piece before you commented? Trump is the same as Biden/Harris is the same as Trump... It doesn't make a difference which duopolists is the figurehead in the White House. The billionaires/oligarchs are in charge. Unless we fight back by throwing a monkey wrench into the works by voting outside of the box and voting for the Green Party's Jill Stein. But it takes true courage, Matthew, and you might not have enough courage to vote for Jill. I'm sorry.
Uh, cause Caitlin Johnstone’s word is your gospel? Oh, OK.
"we can’t allow" - who's "we"?
Sane American people who want at least to maintain the degree of freedom we’ve enjoyed for the past 248 years. I guess you really are a Russian bot, huh?
Biden blew up the 1st amendment. The only amendment basically still intact is the 2nd. Biden wrote the patriot act in 1995 just waiting for a time tp pass it. Obama rescinded habeas corpus, but sure it’s Trump who will take away our freedoms. How do people not know the truth?
"actually I’m a liberal progressive" and then "Sane American people" 🤣
Shitlib category covers "liberal progressives". Your further claiming to be a "sane American person" solidifies the condition beyond any doubt, reasonable or unreasonable. 😉🤣🤡
We have no freedom. That’s been gone for quite awhile (1913 ring a bell?)!
Is that why I lost my job of 23 years, got kicked out of stores, and refused service in businesses? Damn…wake up out of your slumber!
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YOU Liberal Elites need to GO away.
Ha ha ha ha, elites! I went to to public schools and City College of New York. Hardly elite. I have a small business and employ people to whom I pay very good wages. I have a thoroughly working class background. The Democratic Party is still the party of the working class. Donald Trump is the vermin.
"The Democratic Party is still the party of the working class" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
Both parties are the same. Heads or tails of the same coin…
This has been the same phrase since Al Gore won the election and was cheated out by the supreme court.
Quit repeating it ya doofball.
This Vote Team D Because Muh Democracy babble brings to mind the chilling question that Anton Chiguhr asked Carson Wells in “No Country for Old Men”: “If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?”
I'm with M.Browning. I'm going to vote for the other Jew, the non-Zionist Jew, the seeker of peace, Dr. Jill Stein. By many of his acts as POTUS, Trump simply follows instructions from Bibi. It appears JD Vance will do the same.
Thank you for Trump!
oh look another "lesser of 2 evils voter". how original.
I’d leave the U.S. in a minute if I could. Trump will destroy what little good there is left in my country. He’ll also pull out of NATO entirely and leave Europe to the tender mercies of his good pal Vlad. Forget Ukraine, Ukrainian independence will end. So you think I don’t give a shit about the rest of the world? Do you think a protest vote for Stein or Kennedy is going to change that the U.S. is a corporate state. I’m voting for sanity & stability & the option to still protest things like US support of Israel massacring Gazans.
Lol…corporate media talking points. Good job. Funny how Trump didn’t do those things when he was president last time. You sound like chicken little.
Sure I’d like a no evils option, when has that ever been the case in any democratic republic? Gotta say to you and all 3rd party voters, get your idealist head out of your utopian hole. The lesser of two evils is all the choice we’ve ever had or ever will.
Still evil innit? What's your measuring instrument? That "lesser" amount is how big on the rest of the world?
Oh, that's right - you're an American, you don't give a shit.
Spot on! In the US we have the corporate UniParty ... the Republocrats.
Or call them the Democans.
Really makes no difference.
The Republicans are honestly dishonest while Democrats are dishonsestly dishonest. But they are both alike in that they suck off the corporate teat.
Wow well stated Mister Taylor I only wish that the entire last paragraph could fit on a T-shirt. I would darn sure help pay for putting it on billboards across the country.✊🏽👏🏽
Thanks! Lessee, maybe if we got a billionaire to back us, then...
Oh, wait, then we'd be just like them.
Spray paint + Walls on banks ?????
I am liking that idea!!☺️
It makes a difference this time. If we vote for the Dems ticket, we’ll have the opportunity to protest and try to really change things. If we vote for Clownigula we get authoritarian dictatorship. Full stop! Protest will be criminalized. Butternut Berlusconi and those behind him want full on Russian style autocracy, nothing less. Yes there is a difference between Dems & GOP. The Dems gave us FDR who in turn brought about social security, NLRB, fair housing, Medicare cause they were unable to pass full national health coverage. Who do you think shot that down and tried to kill the social safety net plans FDR pushed? Republicans. LBJ pushed through the civil rights act and endorsed welfare. Rethuglicans attempted to torpedo this plans as well. The Democratic Party has been on the right side of history since the 1930s. The GOP has always been the party of the bankers and grifters. I’m truly sick and tired with the uninformed refrain that both party are the same. THEY ARE NOT!!!
Matthew, there is no such creature as a nice, cuddly genocidal fascist. As Ralph Nader has often said: "Voting for the 'lesser of two evils' is still evil." And the truth of that is evidenced by the collapsing genocidal empire that is putting us all in danger.
Don't you find it interesting, Matthew, that today's Democrats NEVER, EVER refer to FDR ... the single most successful, consequential Dem president who won four elections while being outspent ten-to-one. Huh?
Curious, eh?
Not really when you see they have become the very thing FDR campaigned against.
When you saw all those flatulent Dems chumming up to Netanyahu the other night it is impossible to say on the Number One issue of this time -- support of genocide -- there is any difference. A genocide led by a Dem president who has long proclaimed himself a "proud Zionist" ... a man of dual loyalties who, on that issue alone, should be immediately removed from office.
As a former co-chair of my local Democratic Party and one who helped on campaigns and donated far too much money, I went along with the hope that the 'lesser evil' would come around and all that has brought is an even more corporate, corrupt and genocidal Democratic Party. No, Matthew, our politics are dead. We have one corporate UniPaty. Call 'em the Republocrats or the Democans -- either way -- there is no functional difference and will both lead us to the same hellhole.
It's time for resistance.
Apparently you lost track of the Democratic Party some time around the time Bill Clinton destroyed the legacy you cite.
Matthew Cummings -- a DNC bot
An actual person could not be so dense. Are you in favor of genocide Matt? Vote for genocide, or don't vote.
You mean like protesting against genocide? The response from dem governors and their police goon squads have been made practically illegal. Have you heard what Biden and Harris said about them? Gawd you are really quite funny.
I'm guessing you haven't been protesting under Obama or Biden much have you?
No, not designated complaint zone 'protesting'. Actually disrupting government meetings, shutting down factories, and facing off against strikebreakers.
Wall Street donated more money to Obama in 2008 than any president in US history, before or after. It was worth every penny. Now, Kamala is Bernie who supports every stupid forever war. Since "right" and "left" no longer mean anything in the US, the Republicrat party is a fascist forever-war party. They almost all voted for everything evil since 9/11. Also, we have never been further from free market capitalism. In fascisms, the narrative is always more important than the economy.
"until people begin to see through the act"
Unfortunately, that's never going to happen again organically, because propaganda is at too high a level of sophistication and coordination. We need to up our game, and badly.
'Trump helps ensure that right wing Americans who are dissatisfied with their country’s status quo politics will remain plugged into the Republican Party, which never does anything besides promoting the imperial status quo of oligarchy and militarism. But what takes a little more looking to see is that he plays the same role for the left as well' 📢♥️
I no longer find it surprising that a large number of Trump supporters haven’t a grasp at all of the realities surrounding their guy’s political record, they’re apparently satisfied with belonging to a cult of personality. Honestly I find it pretty sad that they rather believe one or more of the well documented 26K & counting outright lies Trump has so proudly disseminated than face the truth that they’ve allowed themselves to be conned by the biggest idiot in politics. Heck what’s worse is the late Mary Anne Trump warned us about Donald Sr. saying, “ yes, he’s an idiot with zero common sense and no social skills but he’s my son. I just hope he doesn’t get into politics, he’ll be a disaster.”
"Cult of personality." There are some Trump supporters who fit that description, but I think most of them vote for him because he is hated by the same people who tell them they're deplorable idiots and that their hopes and dreams do not count.
Democratic voters are FAR more cultish than Republican ones in 2024, much less us ornery independents who often don't vote at all. There used to be a saying, "Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love."
That's no longer true. The Republican Party has fractured because of Trump, or rather Trump's voters, but the Democrats no longer merely fall in love with the candidate their high priests select for them, but demand that the rest of us should fall in line with them or else.
I WAS a Republican voter. At one time, I DID like Trump. Boy, oh, boy, have I awakened in the last 4+ years! Once awake, it’s impossible to go back to sleep. My initial awakening was in 2007, and it’s been one truth bomb after another!
I was a dem voter until Obama’s first 100 days. I got snookered, but then I kicked myself for not seeing how bad Clinton was. 30 million people lost their jobs because of him. 10 million people got their homes stolen because of Obama. But sure…Trump will be worse Best thing he did was cancel Obama’s TPP. We would have lost more jobs.
100% agree.
BUT when 'push comes to shove' WHO in USA believes the lies from BOTH party's?
Not me! Both parties give the illusion of choice. The joke is on US!
Uh, somebody with a really bad case of doublethink? I don't know how that's even possible now. It makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
....and are the Dems better?
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True, but it's worth realising that this set-up was ALREADY in play for decades before Trump turned up. It was the inevitable result of Billy Clinton's moving of the Demonrats onto Repug territory.
The Repugs were left with the choice of genuinely appealing to the working classes, or moving into far-right Reactionary politics.
We know what happened.
But this also left the Demonrats without a natural ideology or 'base', neoliberalism being as exciting as mouldy custard. So up trots "Identity Politics".
Needless to say, once the low-hanging fruit (Gay marriage, Black POTUS etc) had been picked, they too could only go into the batshit territory, to create a duopoly that can ONLY attract voters by the horribleness (Real or imagined) of the 'other' side.
Sure, individuals play their roles, and sometimes logjam, but otherwise it's almost psychohistorical inevitability.
TBF, during the British Empire's global reign of terror, there would be less than no chance for any Fidel Castro type to get into Parliament, let alone take power legally.
Democracy is a nice myth.
Spot on!!! If you stuck a tiny pin in my Dad, he oozed Roosevelt, Roosevelt, and more Roosevelt. He began spinning in his grave when Billy Boy signed the bill abolishing Glass-Steagall. If not for the 200 lb. Block of concrete on top of him, he would have bolted upright and gone on to fiendishly haunt Barack for failing to jail a single one of the collateralized debt frauds who brought on the 2008 meltdown. Let’s also mention being deaf, dumb, and blind when the Lords of Commerce used the globalism fad to offshore millions of blue collar jobs. Dems lose elections because they refuse to dance with those who brought them to the ball.
Chris Hedges said that Clinton moved the dem party so far to the right that republicans went insane.
sometimes i think the american public (like europeans) is larping being fooled, though. a combo of fear for empire's full force and riding the gravy train of domestic and foreign exploitation.
What does this word 'larping' mean?
live action role playing. sometimes things just look so obvious that i can't get my head around other people not seeing it (which is probably my bad).
"other people not seeing it" - they do, they just don't care to challenge it, they're fine with it. Shitlib ethics, however, requires them to say the right things and hide their true intentions, which they may not even able to verbalize.
You need to take off rose-colored glasses when looking at people so you could see through them. "By their fruits you'll know them".
Definition of larping? This is not an explanation.
you can also say 'acting as if'. that is, someone acting as if they're being fooled, but really knowing what's going on and just playing along.
Live Action Role Playing -- LARP
A civil war re-enactor
A person dressed as a Klingon to go to ComicCon
Yeah, freedom burns while the country gets trumped, left, right and center. Thanks for trying to wake the masses, it's an uphill slog both ways ;-)
~~ j ~~
Another ludicrous outcome is that some of my actually leftist acquaintances in usually Blue states possibly in play are now seriously considering changing from third-party to Trump votes because they'll do anything to keep the warmongering Dems and Kamala out. While I certainly understand and share their animosity toward the Biden years, it also seems like a marker of the desperation that springs from the tragi-comedy of duopoly politics and the diverse ploys that ultimately lead to as you say "pulling in public support for the imperial status quo".
TBH if they're voting for 'Openly Fascist Rapist Guy' to keep the 'Openly Fascist *Girl Boss* Racist Girl' out then I'm not sure they're leftist.
Liberal maybe, but not leftist.
Yeah, well your suspicions are not out of line based on the info I revealed. And that's the reason it's such a tragedy. If you knew these folks as well as I do -- since we campaigned for Jill in '16, you'd realize that they're far from the useless shitelibs you're likely envisioning, up to this point, both intending to vote Green again. When I tell them that if we're going to waste our time voting, we must try to vote against both warmongering wings of the duopoly, they first agree, then subsequently tell me that they're desperate to get the Dems out because they've become the worst warmongerers. It strikes me as the desperation reaction of people who see no future for their grandchildren in the US, but it's shocking and hugely disappointing regardless.
They do understand there's no future for their grandkids under capitalism regardless of whose in charge right?
Jill, if nothing else, acknowledges that and is less likely to toss those grandkids on a pure to live in luxury for another year.
I am as cynical about Trump as anyone, BUT, why was he shot at? One cannot deny that this shot was an attempted killing, but WHO by? A young crazed assassin? I do not think so1. The astonishing "failure" of the security service was so blatant that the only conclusion possible is that it was the US security service themselves who wished Trump dead. Why and who could want Donald eliminated? Trump is on record saying that he can end the Ukraine war as soon as he is elected. To find Donald`s would be killers ask who desperately wants the Ukraine war to continue. Putin has already stated publicly that he is looking for peace talks but who else apart from arms dealers wants this war to continue. I wonder if Donald realises this? He is probably not stupid.
He has real enemies, but if the "deep state" wanted him dead why would they send a kid with a AR15 shooting at long range?
You assume the deep state is far more competent than they actually are. They're not gods, and a lot of them are pretty stupid.
I am pretty sure they don't need to be very competent to find a better shooter than that.
Where does that nonsense come from? They DID find a good shooter. He hit the target in the head at long range with a rifle not designed for sharpshooting.
It was a perfect shot.
You're assuming that 1. 'They' wanted to shoot at trump, 2. They selected some random guy to do it, 3. They (maybe) wanted to just nick trump in the ear, and 4. They wanted too... what, make him a living martyr against *checks notes* the 'They' here?
If the FBI wanted trump dead, he'd be dead.
No, they didn’t want a nick in the ear, they wanted him dead, and no, they’re not inhuman monsters, either. They make mistakes all the time.
“They” meaning whatever faction in the federal government that did this. If you think that kid was not allowed in, you are ignoring your own eyes.
Ok, then they couldn't get a better rifle or plan?
I wonder if you ever heard a term "patsy".
Okay - as far as I am concerned, that was a complete scam! How convenient that they "tackle" him so he is "off camera" so they can apply the stage blood to his ear! And then when he puts his RIGHT HAND up in the air, there is no blood on it? It is just like the WWF all over again (I remember it being the WWF, even though it changed its name to the WWE)! Total theatrics!
Yep. And Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.
No, the Mossad did.
Thank you! Good to know! I will keep that name in mind!
And if you forget just look it up. It's on google. Bill O'Reilly wrote a book about it too. Not that I suggest it, but chokaski the bookworm might.
... AND THIS! https://www.bitchute.com/video/WQ7c5mcv8fm2
Look what I found here! https://www.bitchute.com/video/pPEOZVBYDezn
Personally, I use Duck Duck Go, but thanks again!
That one'll work too, just don't fail to duck.
A legit question. Because Trump says the quiet parts out loud.
Because of the feat that the Empire’s various vassals, puppets, lackeys and catamites would less blindly obey orders coming from a gauche loudmouth like Trump.
The CIA reached a similar conclusion in 2008.
The primary difference between Harris and Trump are their net worths.
One's for WW3 & a fascistic police state, and the other's an advocate for a genocidal theocratic government.
I'd appreciate your parsing of them, since it isn't apparent in your post.
Da 'covid' was also used spectacularly by industry funded, professional climate crisis deniers the Heartland Institute to whip up terror of left wing climate lockdowns in the style of fake pandemic ones (it wasn't just a serendipity you know). They wrote in the Hill in Dec 2020 '‘In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.
The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.' https://jowaller.substack.com/p/what-is-the-heartland-institute?utm_source=publication-search
Up until 2019 the environmental, climate justice and vegan movements were picking up momentum. Big fossil fuel and big animal ag (sister to big pharma) had to do something!
I really think it is about time the US deleted the word 'left' from their political vocabulary. Most people have no idea what is left!
Exactly--"left" simply isn't allowed in US politics. WHEN it's used, it simply means "slightly less right-wing than other right-wing stuff".
Maybe ten years ago I heard Bill Maher say the New York Times was extreme left. I swore that that was the last time I would ever hear Bill Maher say anything. So far so good.
NYT being "extreme left"--ROFL! That's right up there w/ "liberal media"!
Middle of the road?
New Acronym for everyone. MOTR
Middle of the Entirely Right Wing Road?
Just in time - perfect example.
Nope. Shitlibs want to keep using "right", just without "left". Being stupid enough - what's new - not to realize that there can't be one without the other.
But it’s very useful for industry to scare monger with-so it won’t be deleted!
Yes JennyStokes, it is not only that ' most people have no idea what is left ' - the blurring is intentional - the US has abused the terms 'left' and 'right' and robbed them of all meaning. This is also tied up with their grasp of what constitute ethical behaviour.
It is 'left' to support a proxy war in Ukraine and paint an existential war that Russia is fighting as a full scale invasion. And to hold a bizarre idea of Israel - an occupying power -having the right to self-defence.
Great minds think alike. I spent an hour a few weeks ago telling my MAGA brother in law that his extreme devotion to Trump basically equated to him being all in on the GOP.
The extremely clever and sophisticated use of propaganda reflects the extensive use of scores of consultants by the parties and the candidates. Expecting regular people to stay on top of this degree of focused manipulation is asking a lot. The super-wealthy will go to great lengths to defend their power and wealth. They will deceive and murder without the slightest hesitation. The only real effective attack that can succeed against these sociopathic, parasitic, absolutely anti-democratic, and powerful, bastards, is a Progressive, Pro-Union, Movement, tied fundamentally with Mother Nature herself. The limitations of the natural world are LOOMING! And they contain the doom of Corporate Capitalism. This Movement is inevitable. The sooner this is recognized the better it will be. The oligarchs are crazy, twisted, and sick. Their time is ending.
Trump has always been ‘team aristocracy’. Why hard working Americans fall for his bs is perplexing. He’s no outsider. Remember when George W hated Obama? That was hilarious!!. Same team, same reality show. I wish my fellow well meaning citizens would see all this for what it is, a big fat joke on them. I’m not sure how to fix it
There is no left in US politics There is only what AIPAC can buy https://dianeengelhardt.substack.com/p/for-sale