Apparently Brianna is an openly trans woman. So you'd think she might realize the ugly discriminatory behavior illustrated by Israeli police thugs in beating up Christian Smalls, the Black man in the crew of the Handala, and that, in general, every racist indicator about Israeli society might serve as a warning of its fundamental sickness. But no, she's also a software developer of video games. I suspect she can readily turn off those filters when there are shekels potentially on the horizon. Don't piss off anyone where investment opportunities are involved.
I don't think people necessarily learn to be empathetic because they have experienced discrimination. That might even make them more likely to have twisted ideas about what is right and what is wrong. I often wonder what has happened to so many in power that they push for things that are destroying the world rather than looking for ways to make things better. Maybe your last sentence about not pissing off anyone where investment opportunities are involved is what it is all about for those demented and tormented people. Today I feel as if I don't understand anything.
Oh, it looks to me like you understand at least one fundamental thing very well. For a whole lot of the powerful, increasing their bank accounts is the whole story, the main thing that matters.
As someone once told me about the rich and immoral: "The expensive booze and pills help them sleep very well at night." (Well, up to and until they overdose or have a heart attack, it does.)
Yes, my last sentence is indeed what it's about. Profit or the potential thereof usually wins out over other considerations. We almost always return to the ills implicit within our economic structure and the behaviors it encourages. Those who resist become lone wolves, pariahs living on the fringes. I am one, so I know the role quite well.
My wife came from the States in '70 and, across the intervening years, has said something similar. She was never more glad that she swapped countries than when tRump first got into politics.
I have not suffered serious discrimination. When I was a child I was seriously abused physically and emotionally. It took a lot of work and therapy to get over that. I have worked with people who have suffered in various ways. Maybe every single person who has suffered is capable of empathy sometime, but it may take time for them to deal with what has happened to them. In the meantime, I have noticed that people who have been unable to deal with the suffering they have experienced are sometimes unable to feel self confidence or much empathy for others.
It's called "emotional numbness" when people who have been hurt deeply can't feel anything--they can't feel sadness or anger or empathy or compassion... They just can't "feel" anything any more. Drugs and booze play a part in it as well, but sometimes abused people are so broken in their souls that they're just not capable of feeling. Sad and an indictment on humanity's cruelty to their fellow humans, IMO.
Yes, it is sad. It happens to one person who then may pass it on to their children and on and on. It is not simply humanity's cruelty to their fellow humans though. It is our social system whereby poor people are treated as less important.
Vin, On first reading of your post I thought 'there's gotta be something wrong in there', but after three readings, I have to say Nah! and give you a thumbs up.
"Apparently Brianna is an openly trans woman" - oh that's nice. Another confirmation that perversion of the mind is all encompassing.
Are there any LGBTQ+-*/ etc orgs fighting for Palestine? Unlikely, since Muslim culture is dead set about those types of perversions. Israel, OTOH, is the world capital of it.
I am not sure what you mean, there are several gay people, that I am aware of, who are, and have been speaking out on behalf of Palestinians, among them are Glenn Greenwald, Owen Jones, Michael Walker of Novara Media,and Indie Nile YouTube.
What discrimination is it that trans women face exactly? Not being allowed into women's spaces and accepted as a woman simply because they would like to be? Would Brianna Wu have any platform at all if she wasn't trans? Trans women, a lot like Israel, demand the world (or in practice: women) accept their distorted vision of reality and accept that if they have to hurt anyone who doesn't accept it, the trans woman/Israeli in question is still the victim. It's gaslighting and projection
I'm not much responding today, Jenny, but because of an experience I just had at a corporate pharmacy, I will to you. Americans live by one primary rule, Jenny. CYA [cover your ass]. It's cowardice to stand up for what's correct to their bosses, corporate a-holes, their govt, -- terrified of figures of authority impacting what they perceive to be their cushy little lives.
I have met people who are trans who lack much awareness of the pain of other people. But I have met even more people who are not trans who lack that awareness. Everything you are saying can be applied equally to straight men or women be they white or people of colour. I don't quite understand why you would choose to apply that kind of thinking only or even mostly to young trans or gay people. Perhaps you have some issues yourself?
That issues reply was meant for Fred Shred, who deleted his comments about trans people. You seem to be on a bit of a roll, Jenny. You assume I spent a lot of money going to therapy, but I happened to live in a place where there was family therapy that cost nothing and I was lucky enough to meet an amazing therapist. I understand that I was very lucky. She probably saved my life. I have often thought that therapy should be available for everyone. Even here, the kind of free therapy I got is no longer available. I used to think that the entire state of Israel needed therapy. I wonder if it would have helped to prevent the catastrophe that is happening now. I have travelled, I have lived and worked in other countries. You are not the only one who posts to this list who has travelled and understands that North America is not the world.
Israeli "therapy" is centred around turning off your emotions/conscience when you are on patrol, breaking children's limbs, murdering, torturing and kidnapping civilians. No help there...
Seems more like numbing out and obeying to me. That's what people do when they cannot cope with the abuse/brainwashing etc that they have had to endure. They have lost the ability to think for themselves
so what are you trying to say? That queer Israelis who are genocide supporters are the same as straight Israelis who are genocide supporters? Probably.
I have not seen that in the trans people I have met. I also think it is a bad idea to lump people all together like that. I think that trans people have as many different ways of thinking and approaching life as any other group of people.
People are positioning themselves for history now, See I was against murdering a million people. Friends (former) are starting to do that and want to talk. Me, Fuck off, I know whats in your heart.
I suspect the reason that they are suddenly positioning themselves for history is because of Epstein and his relationships to Israel and one Donald J. Trump.
If that bomb ever goes off, they don't want to be anywhere near it.
Interesting. Myself, I think this is to get ahead of the inevitable comparison to the Nazi. I read a paper about the generational challenges of Germans during and after the Nazi genocides. " Why did you let this happen" questions from young people. Today those that think murdering a million Palestinians because israel was forced to kill hundreds of it's own people in a Hannibal Directive as an excuse will run from those very public comments about justice cause. Young people are seeing the truth live not having to wait for discovery through trials in the Hague. History thankfully is not kind when its a filmed live murder.
If there are accusations of genocide and tons of compelling evidence, isn't it important to check to see if those things are valid? And, yes, she should be grovelling, and doing everything she can, just like us, to stop it.
It's performance. Her bubble is filling with the smell of reality and she's trying to fan it away with what she thinks passes for a conscience. If she sees this post, she will probably ignore it because she'll realise the audience knows she's incapable of a convincing apology and that an indignance mask will get her nowhere.
For any politician and any mouth-piece of genocide that is finally recognizing a genocide as a genocide—they are only saying it in effort to save their own image. No one wants to be the last one supporting a genocide.
If they were truly remorseful they would resign; resign and spend the rest of their life dedicated towards the care and advancement of Palestinians—at the direction of the people of Palestine themselves. Do this or find some fucking rope. Those are the options.
I agree. From the very first days it was obvious where this was headed. Even for those genuinely confused with the barrage of propaganda, when the first hospital was bombed (as Israeli bombs were dropping all around it) and the Israeli tried to blame Hamas, that should have alerted them. And the atrocities escalated quickly, Doctors Without Borders early on sounded the alarm so these people can not pretend no one told them . I have no respect for their statements acknowledging this is genocide.
I’m so sick of anyone who is still defending Israel and spewing the lies that they’re not killing civilians! Netanyahu and his criminal henchmen like Snotrich and Feiglin say it out loud.
Israel is not “ defending itself” .. it is a terrorist country waging genocide and everyone knows it. It is doing exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30’s when my family were their victims!
Aside from writing such people off, my response to those who say "Israel has a right to 'defend" itself", is to say "Palestine has a right to defend itself".
Every one of these pieces of human filth shoot be forced to lay prostrate on the floor of a cell while the rest of us kick them with pointy-toed cowboy( girl) boots until they scream in agony YES! I ADMIT IT! I was spreading hasbara!
Honestly, I think we should take ALL the propagandists--media pundits or just nasty troll amateurs online--and make them go to Gaza and SEE what they've done. And then we give them a tiny toothbrush and bucket and tell them, "Clean up the place and make it livable for Palestinians again." They can clean the rubble and unexploded ordinance with their bare hands until the entirety of Gaza is sparkling and rebuilt. That way they will make their penance and the Gazans can have their homes back in better shape than ever before. Make'em work their war crimes off!
Their OWN tooth brush. That is the best plan, forget about the kicking and other harming of them, the "othering" of people is always wrong. This would be restorative justice, EXCEPT that NOTHING can ever bring back entire extincted family lines and starved babies. The shame is on the entire world for letting this start, no amount of apologizing can erase this stain.
Have any U.S. Representatives spoke about the U.S. Hostages from Handala Flotilla Terrorist illegal seizure in International waters in support of Freedom?
It's always the same, the left is mocked, derided, chided for telling the truth until it becomes undeniable, and then when it does we are still demonised and blamed, as if we are to blame for the failure we saw coming
All the genocide apologists / deniers are now hiding behind timing: they were absolutely correct to slander people as antisemitic earlier because it wasn't a genocide but now they're acknowledging a very recent genocide (handily ignoring the previous 20 months) it's no longer anti-Semitism because they begrudgingly have to acknowledge the truth of the situation. Utterly disgusting
Wu is a monster. I dont think she realizes she may go down in history as the face of the zionist genocidal trans community. She still won't admit she is wrong. She is saving that for future apologetics
"I could've believed it was an accidental shooting, except for the fact you reloaded twice"
After two years, Israeli apologists don't get to use "In light of recent events" card.
Damn straight they don't.
Apparently Brianna is an openly trans woman. So you'd think she might realize the ugly discriminatory behavior illustrated by Israeli police thugs in beating up Christian Smalls, the Black man in the crew of the Handala, and that, in general, every racist indicator about Israeli society might serve as a warning of its fundamental sickness. But no, she's also a software developer of video games. I suspect she can readily turn off those filters when there are shekels potentially on the horizon. Don't piss off anyone where investment opportunities are involved.
I don't think people necessarily learn to be empathetic because they have experienced discrimination. That might even make them more likely to have twisted ideas about what is right and what is wrong. I often wonder what has happened to so many in power that they push for things that are destroying the world rather than looking for ways to make things better. Maybe your last sentence about not pissing off anyone where investment opportunities are involved is what it is all about for those demented and tormented people. Today I feel as if I don't understand anything.
Oh, it looks to me like you understand at least one fundamental thing very well. For a whole lot of the powerful, increasing their bank accounts is the whole story, the main thing that matters.
As someone once told me about the rich and immoral: "The expensive booze and pills help them sleep very well at night." (Well, up to and until they overdose or have a heart attack, it does.)
The rich and immoral don't need drugs to sleep at night. Their consciences can't keep them awake because they don't have consciences.
Yes, my last sentence is indeed what it's about. Profit or the potential thereof usually wins out over other considerations. We almost always return to the ills implicit within our economic structure and the behaviors it encourages. Those who resist become lone wolves, pariahs living on the fringes. I am one, so I know the role quite well.
I had a wonderful friend in the USA. My next door neighbour. She said: Why am I always on the wrong side in the USA.
My wife came from the States in '70 and, across the intervening years, has said something similar. She was never more glad that she swapped countries than when tRump first got into politics.
Yup, Jenny, that's me, as well.
The pain of seeing these IDIOTS is making me want to die.
100 % disagree. Every single person who has suffered in some way is capable of empathy.
Come on Susan T. Tell us what you have suffered. I am interested.
I have not suffered serious discrimination. When I was a child I was seriously abused physically and emotionally. It took a lot of work and therapy to get over that. I have worked with people who have suffered in various ways. Maybe every single person who has suffered is capable of empathy sometime, but it may take time for them to deal with what has happened to them. In the meantime, I have noticed that people who have been unable to deal with the suffering they have experienced are sometimes unable to feel self confidence or much empathy for others.
It's called "emotional numbness" when people who have been hurt deeply can't feel anything--they can't feel sadness or anger or empathy or compassion... They just can't "feel" anything any more. Drugs and booze play a part in it as well, but sometimes abused people are so broken in their souls that they're just not capable of feeling. Sad and an indictment on humanity's cruelty to their fellow humans, IMO.
Yes, it is sad. It happens to one person who then may pass it on to their children and on and on. It is not simply humanity's cruelty to their fellow humans though. It is our social system whereby poor people are treated as less important.
I understand BUT tell me something Susan.
YOU had the money to go to therapy.................you have smashed the whole world. Is there 'therapy' in Africa/Sri Lanka. etc.
SO self absorbed.
Hey, Jenny, bet the Gazans don’t have therapists either.
They’re all dead.
So Susan, does that mean they automatically spread lies?
does what mean who automatically spreads lies? I am not sure which comment you are referring to.
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My reference is to the cunt (?) from the Jew York Times.
Vin, On first reading of your post I thought 'there's gotta be something wrong in there', but after three readings, I have to say Nah! and give you a thumbs up.
Invest in One State Palestine, for world Peace.
"Apparently Brianna is an openly trans woman" - oh that's nice. Another confirmation that perversion of the mind is all encompassing.
Are there any LGBTQ+-*/ etc orgs fighting for Palestine? Unlikely, since Muslim culture is dead set about those types of perversions. Israel, OTOH, is the world capital of it.
I am not sure what you mean, there are several gay people, that I am aware of, who are, and have been speaking out on behalf of Palestinians, among them are Glenn Greenwald, Owen Jones, Michael Walker of Novara Media,and Indie Nile YouTube.
I said "orgs". Maybe I should have spelled it out - organizations.
A friend is Palestinian and Syrian , in the streets fighting for all. Help wanted.
WHO cares. We are people!
I don't. But in case you haven't noticed - they do.
What discrimination is it that trans women face exactly? Not being allowed into women's spaces and accepted as a woman simply because they would like to be? Would Brianna Wu have any platform at all if she wasn't trans? Trans women, a lot like Israel, demand the world (or in practice: women) accept their distorted vision of reality and accept that if they have to hurt anyone who doesn't accept it, the trans woman/Israeli in question is still the victim. It's gaslighting and projection
No one is more blind than the hypocrite who is paid to be blind
To my mind Vin this is the Western World fighting against BROWN people taking over the world.
As you know: MY parents were racist white Colonialist in Sri Lanka where I was born.
I have NO country. I have no interest in anything other than truth.
I wish that I could get out of Europe right now because I am sick and tired of Russiaphobia.
French people 'shrug their shoulders' and continue their lives with their disgusting food.
I need to make a point here: USA is a decadent country. This means:
WHY does the USA Govt. decide who is wrong or right in peoples homes?
HOME is where the heart is in the USA? But you Americans live by your Gvt, rules? Why?
I'm not much responding today, Jenny, but because of an experience I just had at a corporate pharmacy, I will to you. Americans live by one primary rule, Jenny. CYA [cover your ass]. It's cowardice to stand up for what's correct to their bosses, corporate a-holes, their govt, -- terrified of figures of authority impacting what they perceive to be their cushy little lives.
I understand.
Cause THEY keep them on "Meds"
I have met people who are trans who lack much awareness of the pain of other people. But I have met even more people who are not trans who lack that awareness. Everything you are saying can be applied equally to straight men or women be they white or people of colour. I don't quite understand why you would choose to apply that kind of thinking only or even mostly to young trans or gay people. Perhaps you have some issues yourself?
I have absolutely NO issues Susan. All I want is people to speak truth.
This is such 'American speak'..............'perhaps you have issues yourself'. Grow up and travel and see the world before telling me I have 'issues!'
Tell me Susan where have YOU lived?
The idiocy of American/Canadian think bores me to death.
That issues reply was meant for Fred Shred, who deleted his comments about trans people. You seem to be on a bit of a roll, Jenny. You assume I spent a lot of money going to therapy, but I happened to live in a place where there was family therapy that cost nothing and I was lucky enough to meet an amazing therapist. I understand that I was very lucky. She probably saved my life. I have often thought that therapy should be available for everyone. Even here, the kind of free therapy I got is no longer available. I used to think that the entire state of Israel needed therapy. I wonder if it would have helped to prevent the catastrophe that is happening now. I have travelled, I have lived and worked in other countries. You are not the only one who posts to this list who has travelled and understands that North America is not the world.
Israeli "therapy" is centred around turning off your emotions/conscience when you are on patrol, breaking children's limbs, murdering, torturing and kidnapping civilians. No help there...
Seems more like numbing out and obeying to me. That's what people do when they cannot cope with the abuse/brainwashing etc that they have had to endure. They have lost the ability to think for themselves
my point is that your response sounded anti trans to me. Maybe you really like trans people though and I totally misinterpreted your post.
Fred Shred: interesting to see that you have deleted all your comments. hmmm
I think your thinking is very narrow
so what are you trying to say? That queer Israelis who are genocide supporters are the same as straight Israelis who are genocide supporters? Probably.
I have not seen that in the trans people I have met. I also think it is a bad idea to lump people all together like that. I think that trans people have as many different ways of thinking and approaching life as any other group of people.
I am all for someone who finally gets wise and admits it. "Even they who came at the eleventh hour" and all that.
Brianna Wu, however, is trying to have it both ways, which I suppose is sort of the point of this essay.
People are positioning themselves for history now, See I was against murdering a million people. Friends (former) are starting to do that and want to talk. Me, Fuck off, I know whats in your heart.
I suspect the reason that they are suddenly positioning themselves for history is because of Epstein and his relationships to Israel and one Donald J. Trump.
If that bomb ever goes off, they don't want to be anywhere near it.
Interesting. Myself, I think this is to get ahead of the inevitable comparison to the Nazi. I read a paper about the generational challenges of Germans during and after the Nazi genocides. " Why did you let this happen" questions from young people. Today those that think murdering a million Palestinians because israel was forced to kill hundreds of it's own people in a Hannibal Directive as an excuse will run from those very public comments about justice cause. Young people are seeing the truth live not having to wait for discovery through trials in the Hague. History thankfully is not kind when its a filmed live murder.
Luckily I don't have anyone to talk to now (apart for Husband and one French friend) because my anger is likely to cause problems.
I know what you mean
You will always have us : )
You can count me as a friend Jenny.
I make enemies by the day, lol…another one at a birthday party last night 😁 Do I give a flyin’fuck? HELL NO!
That's not true my friend, you have all of us, well maybe not all. Some that come are new to truth being told : )
Landru, now YOU have GOT IT!
I don't want to hear their apologies or anything else from them, they need to shut up and fuck off.
Well said. It's only a matter of time before they're nodding along to the next atrocity.
I hope Brianna sees this post.
If there are accusations of genocide and tons of compelling evidence, isn't it important to check to see if those things are valid? And, yes, she should be grovelling, and doing everything she can, just like us, to stop it.
It's performance. Her bubble is filling with the smell of reality and she's trying to fan it away with what she thinks passes for a conscience. If she sees this post, she will probably ignore it because she'll realise the audience knows she's incapable of a convincing apology and that an indignance mask will get her nowhere.
OH that is so fun to think about hahahah. I love you hahahha
For any politician and any mouth-piece of genocide that is finally recognizing a genocide as a genocide—they are only saying it in effort to save their own image. No one wants to be the last one supporting a genocide.
If they were truly remorseful they would resign; resign and spend the rest of their life dedicated towards the care and advancement of Palestinians—at the direction of the people of Palestine themselves. Do this or find some fucking rope. Those are the options.
No decent person ever supported Israel. No decent person could.
I agree. From the very first days it was obvious where this was headed. Even for those genuinely confused with the barrage of propaganda, when the first hospital was bombed (as Israeli bombs were dropping all around it) and the Israeli tried to blame Hamas, that should have alerted them. And the atrocities escalated quickly, Doctors Without Borders early on sounded the alarm so these people can not pretend no one told them . I have no respect for their statements acknowledging this is genocide.
Where are actual apologies?
People with mentalities like Wu are lost causes. Absolutely despicable
Your money matters
Join the world wide boycott of Israeli products, and those supplying the weapons used on Palestinians.
https://www.bdsmovement.net
I’m so sick of anyone who is still defending Israel and spewing the lies that they’re not killing civilians! Netanyahu and his criminal henchmen like Snotrich and Feiglin say it out loud.
Israel is not “ defending itself” .. it is a terrorist country waging genocide and everyone knows it. It is doing exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30’s when my family were their victims!
Aside from writing such people off, my response to those who say "Israel has a right to 'defend" itself", is to say "Palestine has a right to defend itself".
My response is, "Does Israel have a right to murder babies?"
Israel has a right to NOT EXIST, and methinks it should act on this right (of not existing any longer).
What would the end of this look like? Throwing the doors open seems like a nice thing to say, for about five seconds...
Caitlin
Every one of these pieces of human filth shoot be forced to lay prostrate on the floor of a cell while the rest of us kick them with pointy-toed cowboy( girl) boots until they scream in agony YES! I ADMIT IT! I was spreading hasbara!
Upon which we shoot them.
^^^Cowgirl. Can’t help myself 😉
Honestly, I think we should take ALL the propagandists--media pundits or just nasty troll amateurs online--and make them go to Gaza and SEE what they've done. And then we give them a tiny toothbrush and bucket and tell them, "Clean up the place and make it livable for Palestinians again." They can clean the rubble and unexploded ordinance with their bare hands until the entirety of Gaza is sparkling and rebuilt. That way they will make their penance and the Gazans can have their homes back in better shape than ever before. Make'em work their war crimes off!
Their OWN tooth brush. That is the best plan, forget about the kicking and other harming of them, the "othering" of people is always wrong. This would be restorative justice, EXCEPT that NOTHING can ever bring back entire extincted family lines and starved babies. The shame is on the entire world for letting this start, no amount of apologizing can erase this stain.
TRC,
And make them do it without food or water.
When they’re finished, THEN shoot ‘em.
Have any U.S. Representatives spoke about the U.S. Hostages from Handala Flotilla Terrorist illegal seizure in International waters in support of Freedom?
Maybe in ten, twenty years.
Most people cannot stand to ever be wrong.
And they’ll use phrases like—you have your truth and I have mine—to defend being wrong. Everything has been reduced to opinion, facts be damned.
I love being wrong...........because then I can apologise.
It's always the same, the left is mocked, derided, chided for telling the truth until it becomes undeniable, and then when it does we are still demonised and blamed, as if we are to blame for the failure we saw coming
All the genocide apologists / deniers are now hiding behind timing: they were absolutely correct to slander people as antisemitic earlier because it wasn't a genocide but now they're acknowledging a very recent genocide (handily ignoring the previous 20 months) it's no longer anti-Semitism because they begrudgingly have to acknowledge the truth of the situation. Utterly disgusting
Wu is a monster. I dont think she realizes she may go down in history as the face of the zionist genocidal trans community. She still won't admit she is wrong. She is saving that for future apologetics