'There were fairly intelligent people who bought into the Iraq war propaganda. Many anti-war folk assumed Saddam probably did have weapons of mass destruction — they just didn’t buy into the narrative that war was the answer. There really were interventionists who sincerely believed the war could do good things for the Iraqi people.'
Indeed. Speaking for myself, I was focused on the horrors of Saddam's rule. In hindsight, I can see that I was played -- the goal was never to bring about a more acceptable Iraqi state -- but at the time...
Now? What's going on is just open evil. Those who attempt to defend are simply lying -- either to themselves or to the rest of us. It's a sick carnival of murderous bigotry, blatant dishonesty, and shamelessly serving the most evil state the First World has seen since Nazi Germany.
Saddam Hussein wasn’t exactly Mr. Nice Guy. But his government was SECULAR, included Christians and women, and he did NOT TOLERATE Islamic radicals. Who the fuck do you think he had killed?
I knew from the beginning that his overthrow would devolve into abject chaos. Yay me, I was fuckin correct.
Do you KNOW any Iraqis who lived there under Hussein? I DO. They said they had good lives, and left because of ISIL, not Hussein.
The aWful W administration exploited Americans' ignorance and bigotry to wage a war of opportunity in the Middle East and deflect from the fact they had utterly failed at homeland defense. VOILA, a bureau of Homeland Security arises thereafter, subsequently to be used against law abiding Americans.
Just commented on that about the Iraq propaganda. Most of us had no clue our government was already that far gone. 25 years later we have learned much. Sometimes I wish i didn’t know.
What I want to understand is why are other nations not trying to stop this? What does the rest of the world think will happen? I mean do they really believe that if they ignore this, it will somehow go away on its own? This is only going to get worse, like a puss - it will ooze and infect and gangrene and lead to sepsis and then everyone will be dead. So is waiting this out really the calculation here? What exactly is the plan for dealing with a rogue nation that is destabilizing the planet and terrorizing humanity on a global scale? Harsh tweets and verbal condemnation?
Trump is being blackmailed because of his pedo past, and the world is going to pay the price for his wretchedness and cowardice. He is israel’s perfect pawn.
Ah, but Caitlin, the US and Israel are invading Iran to bring about Armageddon so that the righteous Christian Zionists can rise naked to the right hand side of God. All those fat asses floating through the sky should be an interesting, possibly amusing, sight.
Considering people like Mike Huckabee support this blasphemous lie of Christian Zionism. If they truly believe in Christ then they are bound for hell for their idolatry. Vance, Hegseth, Trump and the IDF (Randy Fine);soldiers in US Congress should go to the front lines
Where's Leonardo Da Vinci when we need an artist to climb up a ladder and paint a sacred nationalist vision upon the ceiling of an architectural marvel? And Trump bulldozed the White House for less....
ERETZ YISRAEL - That was always the Zionist Jews plan. Break up the Countries in the Middle East into small fiefdoms and Kingdoms so they can slaughter the Goyem and steal the land
You are 100 percent correct. The Iraq War had nothing on this horrific conflict. The fact that we are fighting a war on Israel's behalf makes it even worse. This conflict is not in America's national interest, and anyone saying differently has a dual loyalty issue. They serve Israel, not America.
Iraq was 100% on Israel's behalf. Operation Shock and Awe killed between 7,500 and 10,000 Iraqi civilians and displaced a million in the first few days.
This war and Gaza are examples of Eminent Domain at gunpoint. Taking these lands to build Greater Israel to benefit the elites that Trump has on his Rape of Gaza
I was in the "Believe Hans Blix, not George Bush" camp back in 2003. For those old enough to remember, he was the United Nations inspector that was tasked with finding Saddam's WMD's before the invasion began. And his report basically refuted everything the Bush Administration was saying, so they kicked him out of Iraq.
He was the most truthful authority on Saddam's WMD program, which by that time had basically degraded to the point of uselessness. But far too many people were duped by Dubya, Colin Powell, and Condaleeza Rice.
The trajectory of a dying empire. Iraq: massive forces with large coalition. Libya: NATO air campaign and paid-off local proxies. Syria: chemical false flags and partnering with ISIS. Yemen: a parade of aircraft carriers running for cover while bombing civilian infrastructure. Iran: became canon fodder for the Israelis while watching every US base in West Asia go up in flames. Soon to see carrier battles groups pulverised. I’m sure Shakespeare had something to say about this kind of thing…
Remember how when obama was voted in to office, and people were all “a black man in office, oh things will change?” Haha , this is how naive we really were. Less so now one hopes.
Isn't this always just the Marketing strategy employed by the military industrial complex? Increase the budget to expand markets and use part of that budget for Hollywood to inundate us with propaganda movies, control religions and influence policy. You must manufacture an enemy to manufacture consent.
The biggest differences is we (US) had been attacked recently. We also had good reason to believe Saddam may have been involved and may be in possession of WMD.
To the youth…You must understand that at that time it was not widely accepted that our government was actually devious enough to lie about such things. Democrats didn’t believe it but they really had no first hand knowledge; they just hated GWB. The thought that our government could have had something to do with the 911 attacks was also out of bounds. Turns out we were wrong about both.
The point I am trying to make is present day is far more insane. Hell we don’t even have a good lie to believe in nor were we wronged by Iran.
Now that has been made clear I believe karma will prove to be a real mother fucker this time around. I am going to call it right now, Iran has ALREADY WON. Trump cannot leave now. If he decides to cut and run Iran will lob more ballistic missiles at the Zionist State than they currently are now. The Strait of Hormuz will continue to be off limits and our bases will continue to be bombarded.
-We have dicked them over twice during negotiations
-We have targeted civilian infrastructure
-Murdered 150 school girls
-Cowardly killed over 100 crew members in an attack on their ship in International waters.
These are just a few things that come to mind. As God as my witness I never believed Trump had it in him. I have never been more wrong and never been more disgusted. But I can promise you this, unless Iran lets him off the hook (no clue why they would) he and his administration will pay dearly. We are all going to some degree. In fact, what is coming will most likely be to the detriment of the entire world.
The idea that Saddam may have been involved in 9/11 was always a false assumption pushed by the NeoCons in the White House. But those of us who understood the Middle East better than your typical American knew that Bin Laden considered Saddam an infidel and not part of his ideological boy's club known as Wahhabism.
I never bought the involved in 911 lie. I did however suspect he had WMD because he had used them before.
You know I was just thinking, Saddam really was a bad dude (I think). Not saying that is a legitimate reason for his removal. The reason I mention is because I have never really heard anything too bad about Iranian leadership? Saddam you would hear about torture rooms and the cruelty of his sons, etc. Got me curious about the Iranian Leadership. Like I said never really heard anything specific about them.
There isn't much sharing of trade secrets or porno\promo tapes among the nations of our world that consider torture a profession and maintenance of the facilities for both increasing the fear\mystique of the government by the governed and control over all entrepreneurial trade in people and pastimes along with goods & services to be both character building and good for the nation's bottom line as well as image among other, often neighboring rulers peering over borders never more subject to change.
Despite differences in major languages, ethnic groupings, religious & social prohibitions, not to mention which side of the Islamic divide one comes down on, role of women in society and rules for men and cross-border trade (along with mapping those borders and administering them dba taxing\shakedown rates and methods of payment) along with registration of all "private" property, maintenance of the 'Corrections System' and the 'Justice System' and controls governing Syria's bounty of natural resources and management of markets the recent dissolution of the ancient nation state of Syria is instructive.
Do you speak English? If not I will give you a pass. If so you need to take some basic reading comprehension classes. You can start with Hooked on Phonics.
I think it might be to the improvement of the entire world. Someone has to stop the insane US government, and if we the people aren't going to do our job, it will be up to someone else to do it.
The US government, at this point, looks to me like an elephant with a bullet in its brain rampaging around, stomping everything in its path without noticing, even its own people.
All of that is so very true. I would like to think of myself as a pretty brave fellow. Sometimes thinking about this stuff terrifies me. We are a combination of arrogant, deceitful, stupid, crazy, and flat out evil.
Most of the people are good but they are apathetic sheep. Sometimes I just want to scream and wake them. Sometimes I think it simply better they remain status quo.
Unfortunately, those are the dominant traits of those who lead us. And ultimately I cannot foresee a happy ending.
"The U.S. attacked Iran because Netanyahu said so." And why does he have DJT on such a leash? Don't we all understand that the answer lies in the Epstein documentation? Riddle solved.
Any serious consideration of Bibi's POV and motives should first consult with the latest online storehouses of info on his various court proceedings still in process since his last court date and process of his various well-recorded trials both civil and criminal (I speak not of metaphors here). Here are just a few from his solo and previous partnerships that preceded the current career phase dubbed by some global Muck Rakers as the TrumpanYahu Proceedings:
Netanyahu's trial has been suspended regardless — the courts are closed under the emergency measures declared since the start of the war, other than for urgent matters.
www.aa.com.tr › en › middle-eastIsrael’s Netanyahu appears in court for 79th time in ongoing ...
Feb 23, 2026 · Middle East Israel’s Netanyahu appears in court for 79th time in ongoing corruption trial Israeli prime minister faces cross-examination in Case 4000 as divisions deepen over his request for ...
Searches related to Netanyahu court trials in process
"Trump: Herzog is a ‘disgrace,’ must pardon Netanyahu now so PM can focus on Iran war
Herzog’s office: Israel a ‘sovereign state governed by the rule of law,’ pardon decision will be made sans external input; Trump says he won’t meet with president until he issues pardon"
By Jacob Magid, Lazar Berman and ToI Staff
February 18, 2026, 5:27 pm
"Senior aides to Netanyahu request cancellation of witness intimidation charges
Jonatan Urich and Ofer Golan were indicted last year for sending car in 2019 with a megaphone to home of Shlomo Filber; lawyers call incident ‘trivial,’ highlight flaws in probe"
Mr Benjamin Netanyahu, born on 21 October 1949, Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the relevant conduct.
Arrest warrant issued on 21 November 2024
Accused LastName
Netanyahu
Accused FirstName
Benjamin
Charges
"Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024."
"Don't we all understand that the answer lies in the Epstein documentation?"
That most probably doesn't exist any more in DoJ files, whether Trump did it or it happened earlier. But Trump has every reason to believe -- or he knows -- it exists elsewhere.
The invasion of Iraq aimed to redenominate the price of Iraqi oil into dollars, after Saddam Hussein had denominated it in euros. The attack on Iran is aimed at redenominating Iranian oil into dollars, after Iran demands payment for oil in yuan or in commodities (barter). It also keeps Israel busy with several wars to prevent new Knesset elections and the conviction of Netanyahu. Naturally, as in all wars, there are the interests of arms manufacturers and money-controllers who, as usual, promote peace conferences and foment wars.
Gotta love the attitude of the Iranian ambassador --
Yes we're ready for anything: we're defending our home, and we anticipated possibilities.
And: no . . . we're not interested in ceasefire, US always lies.
Finally, they get it!
'There were fairly intelligent people who bought into the Iraq war propaganda. Many anti-war folk assumed Saddam probably did have weapons of mass destruction — they just didn’t buy into the narrative that war was the answer. There really were interventionists who sincerely believed the war could do good things for the Iraqi people.'
Indeed. Speaking for myself, I was focused on the horrors of Saddam's rule. In hindsight, I can see that I was played -- the goal was never to bring about a more acceptable Iraqi state -- but at the time...
Now? What's going on is just open evil. Those who attempt to defend are simply lying -- either to themselves or to the rest of us. It's a sick carnival of murderous bigotry, blatant dishonesty, and shamelessly serving the most evil state the First World has seen since Nazi Germany.
Colin, your assertion is ridiculous.
Saddam Hussein wasn’t exactly Mr. Nice Guy. But his government was SECULAR, included Christians and women, and he did NOT TOLERATE Islamic radicals. Who the fuck do you think he had killed?
I knew from the beginning that his overthrow would devolve into abject chaos. Yay me, I was fuckin correct.
Do you KNOW any Iraqis who lived there under Hussein? I DO. They said they had good lives, and left because of ISIL, not Hussein.
The aWful W administration exploited Americans' ignorance and bigotry to wage a war of opportunity in the Middle East and deflect from the fact they had utterly failed at homeland defense. VOILA, a bureau of Homeland Security arises thereafter, subsequently to be used against law abiding Americans.
Just commented on that about the Iraq propaganda. Most of us had no clue our government was already that far gone. 25 years later we have learned much. Sometimes I wish i didn’t know.
What I want to understand is why are other nations not trying to stop this? What does the rest of the world think will happen? I mean do they really believe that if they ignore this, it will somehow go away on its own? This is only going to get worse, like a puss - it will ooze and infect and gangrene and lead to sepsis and then everyone will be dead. So is waiting this out really the calculation here? What exactly is the plan for dealing with a rogue nation that is destabilizing the planet and terrorizing humanity on a global scale? Harsh tweets and verbal condemnation?
Trump is being blackmailed because of his pedo past, and the world is going to pay the price for his wretchedness and cowardice. He is israel’s perfect pawn.
Ah, but Caitlin, the US and Israel are invading Iran to bring about Armageddon so that the righteous Christian Zionists can rise naked to the right hand side of God. All those fat asses floating through the sky should be an interesting, possibly amusing, sight.
Considering people like Mike Huckabee support this blasphemous lie of Christian Zionism. If they truly believe in Christ then they are bound for hell for their idolatry. Vance, Hegseth, Trump and the IDF (Randy Fine);soldiers in US Congress should go to the front lines
No trust in Pete Hogsbreath
Hi Jon
Or Kegsbreath.
Susan, that visual’s stuck in my head 😭😭😭
Where's Leonardo Da Vinci when we need an artist to climb up a ladder and paint a sacred nationalist vision upon the ceiling of an architectural marvel? And Trump bulldozed the White House for less....
Tio Mitchito
TM
Israel and supporters are Terrorists with WMDs. One State Palestine.
ERETZ YISRAEL - That was always the Zionist Jews plan. Break up the Countries in the Middle East into small fiefdoms and Kingdoms so they can slaughter the Goyem and steal the land
You are 100 percent correct. The Iraq War had nothing on this horrific conflict. The fact that we are fighting a war on Israel's behalf makes it even worse. This conflict is not in America's national interest, and anyone saying differently has a dual loyalty issue. They serve Israel, not America.
Iraq was 100% on Israel's behalf. Operation Shock and Awe killed between 7,500 and 10,000 Iraqi civilians and displaced a million in the first few days.
Imagine :
You're eating dinner, asking your kid how is day went and then ..
He grabs a knife and starts stabbing you for no apparent reason.
You'd have him arrested & hospitalized or jailed immediately.
Now when a national leader behaves that way, we're standing around arguing whether to stop him him, ignore him, or join him.
It definitely feels like the end times.
This war and Gaza are examples of Eminent Domain at gunpoint. Taking these lands to build Greater Israel to benefit the elites that Trump has on his Rape of Gaza
Committee.
I was in the "Believe Hans Blix, not George Bush" camp back in 2003. For those old enough to remember, he was the United Nations inspector that was tasked with finding Saddam's WMD's before the invasion began. And his report basically refuted everything the Bush Administration was saying, so they kicked him out of Iraq.
He was the most truthful authority on Saddam's WMD program, which by that time had basically degraded to the point of uselessness. But far too many people were duped by Dubya, Colin Powell, and Condaleeza Rice.
I didn't buy it either. It was and is horrifying to see how casually people can burn and mutilate and kill other people's kids.
Don't forget Cheney and Rumsfeldt.
The trajectory of a dying empire. Iraq: massive forces with large coalition. Libya: NATO air campaign and paid-off local proxies. Syria: chemical false flags and partnering with ISIS. Yemen: a parade of aircraft carriers running for cover while bombing civilian infrastructure. Iran: became canon fodder for the Israelis while watching every US base in West Asia go up in flames. Soon to see carrier battles groups pulverised. I’m sure Shakespeare had something to say about this kind of thing…
"... few die well that die in a battle." ~Henry V, #Shakespeare
Remember how when obama was voted in to office, and people were all “a black man in office, oh things will change?” Haha , this is how naive we really were. Less so now one hopes.
Isn't this always just the Marketing strategy employed by the military industrial complex? Increase the budget to expand markets and use part of that budget for Hollywood to inundate us with propaganda movies, control religions and influence policy. You must manufacture an enemy to manufacture consent.
The biggest differences is we (US) had been attacked recently. We also had good reason to believe Saddam may have been involved and may be in possession of WMD.
To the youth…You must understand that at that time it was not widely accepted that our government was actually devious enough to lie about such things. Democrats didn’t believe it but they really had no first hand knowledge; they just hated GWB. The thought that our government could have had something to do with the 911 attacks was also out of bounds. Turns out we were wrong about both.
The point I am trying to make is present day is far more insane. Hell we don’t even have a good lie to believe in nor were we wronged by Iran.
Now that has been made clear I believe karma will prove to be a real mother fucker this time around. I am going to call it right now, Iran has ALREADY WON. Trump cannot leave now. If he decides to cut and run Iran will lob more ballistic missiles at the Zionist State than they currently are now. The Strait of Hormuz will continue to be off limits and our bases will continue to be bombarded.
-We have dicked them over twice during negotiations
-We have targeted civilian infrastructure
-Murdered 150 school girls
-Cowardly killed over 100 crew members in an attack on their ship in International waters.
These are just a few things that come to mind. As God as my witness I never believed Trump had it in him. I have never been more wrong and never been more disgusted. But I can promise you this, unless Iran lets him off the hook (no clue why they would) he and his administration will pay dearly. We are all going to some degree. In fact, what is coming will most likely be to the detriment of the entire world.
The idea that Saddam may have been involved in 9/11 was always a false assumption pushed by the NeoCons in the White House. But those of us who understood the Middle East better than your typical American knew that Bin Laden considered Saddam an infidel and not part of his ideological boy's club known as Wahhabism.
I never bought the involved in 911 lie. I did however suspect he had WMD because he had used them before.
You know I was just thinking, Saddam really was a bad dude (I think). Not saying that is a legitimate reason for his removal. The reason I mention is because I have never really heard anything too bad about Iranian leadership? Saddam you would hear about torture rooms and the cruelty of his sons, etc. Got me curious about the Iranian Leadership. Like I said never really heard anything specific about them.
There isn't much sharing of trade secrets or porno\promo tapes among the nations of our world that consider torture a profession and maintenance of the facilities for both increasing the fear\mystique of the government by the governed and control over all entrepreneurial trade in people and pastimes along with goods & services to be both character building and good for the nation's bottom line as well as image among other, often neighboring rulers peering over borders never more subject to change.
Despite differences in major languages, ethnic groupings, religious & social prohibitions, not to mention which side of the Islamic divide one comes down on, role of women in society and rules for men and cross-border trade (along with mapping those borders and administering them dba taxing\shakedown rates and methods of payment) along with registration of all "private" property, maintenance of the 'Corrections System' and the 'Justice System' and controls governing Syria's bounty of natural resources and management of markets the recent dissolution of the ancient nation state of Syria is instructive.
https://theconversation.com/as-syria-ponders-a-democratic-future-5-lessons-from-the-arab-spring-246203
https://www.dohainstitute.org/en/PoliticalStudies/Pages/the-transitional-phase-in-syria-challenges-and-prospects.aspx
Tio Mitchito
TM
Luke: where the fuck you think Hussein got those weapons (and I assume you mean chemical)?
From good ol Uncle Sam, of course, when we armed Iraq against the wait for it—-IRANIANS!
Learn some history or shut the fuck up 🙄
Do you speak English? If not I will give you a pass. If so you need to take some basic reading comprehension classes. You can start with Hooked on Phonics.
That’s called Half-Flint, Half-Cowgirl, little white boy. Don’t like my replies? Stop making asinine comments.
I think it might be to the improvement of the entire world. Someone has to stop the insane US government, and if we the people aren't going to do our job, it will be up to someone else to do it.
The US government, at this point, looks to me like an elephant with a bullet in its brain rampaging around, stomping everything in its path without noticing, even its own people.
All of that is so very true. I would like to think of myself as a pretty brave fellow. Sometimes thinking about this stuff terrifies me. We are a combination of arrogant, deceitful, stupid, crazy, and flat out evil.
Most of the people are good but they are apathetic sheep. Sometimes I just want to scream and wake them. Sometimes I think it simply better they remain status quo.
Unfortunately, those are the dominant traits of those who lead us. And ultimately I cannot foresee a happy ending.
👍👍👍👍
Luke, your first paragraph is bullshit.
"The U.S. attacked Iran because Netanyahu said so." And why does he have DJT on such a leash? Don't we all understand that the answer lies in the Epstein documentation? Riddle solved.
Any serious consideration of Bibi's POV and motives should first consult with the latest online storehouses of info on his various court proceedings still in process since his last court date and process of his various well-recorded trials both civil and criminal (I speak not of metaphors here). Here are just a few from his solo and previous partnerships that preceded the current career phase dubbed by some global Muck Rakers as the TrumpanYahu Proceedings:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-demands-netanyahu-pardon-slams-180514922.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu
https://www.middleeasteye.net/explainers/netanyahu-corruption-trials-charges-pardon-israeli-president
"Netanyahu corruption trials: What are the charges and will he be pardoned?
Amid the genocide in Gaza and the 2026 election, can the Israeli president make Netanyahu's fraud charges disappear?"
(This journalistic by-line too Lit not to share):
By Daniel Tester
Published date: 2 December 2025 12:12 GMT | Last update: 3 months 3 days ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cross-examination-of-netanyahu-in-criminal-trial-to-begin-on-tuesday/
https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cwgw7z7dvlwt
www.bbc.com › news › topicsNetanyahu corruption trial - BBC News
Nov 12, 2025 · Stay informed with the latest news, video, live updates and expert analysis about Netanyahu corruption trial from across the BBC.
www.msn.com › en-us › newsExclusive: Trump demands immediate pardon for Netanyahu ... - MSN
Netanyahu's trial has been suspended regardless — the courts are closed under the emergency measures declared since the start of the war, other than for urgent matters.
www.aa.com.tr › en › middle-eastIsrael’s Netanyahu appears in court for 79th time in ongoing ...
Feb 23, 2026 · Middle East Israel’s Netanyahu appears in court for 79th time in ongoing corruption trial Israeli prime minister faces cross-examination in Case 4000 as divisions deepen over his request for ...
Searches related to Netanyahu court trials in process
https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/netanyahu-trial/
March 5, 2026, 9:46 pm
"Trump: Herzog is a ‘disgrace,’ must pardon Netanyahu now so PM can focus on Iran war
Herzog’s office: Israel a ‘sovereign state governed by the rule of law,’ pardon decision will be made sans external input; Trump says he won’t meet with president until he issues pardon"
By Jacob Magid, Lazar Berman and ToI Staff
February 18, 2026, 5:27 pm
"Senior aides to Netanyahu request cancellation of witness intimidation charges
Jonatan Urich and Ofer Golan were indicted last year for sending car in 2019 with a megaphone to home of Shlomo Filber; lawyers call incident ‘trivial,’ highlight flaws in probe"
By Jeremy Sharon
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
About Defendant
Mr Benjamin Netanyahu, born on 21 October 1949, Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the relevant conduct.
Arrest warrant issued on 21 November 2024
Accused LastName
Netanyahu
Accused FirstName
Benjamin
Charges
"Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024."
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/2025-05-27/live-updates-855572
Via
Tio Mitchito
TM
"Don't we all understand that the answer lies in the Epstein documentation?"
That most probably doesn't exist any more in DoJ files, whether Trump did it or it happened earlier. But Trump has every reason to believe -- or he knows -- it exists elsewhere.
The invasion of Iraq aimed to redenominate the price of Iraqi oil into dollars, after Saddam Hussein had denominated it in euros. The attack on Iran is aimed at redenominating Iranian oil into dollars, after Iran demands payment for oil in yuan or in commodities (barter). It also keeps Israel busy with several wars to prevent new Knesset elections and the conviction of Netanyahu. Naturally, as in all wars, there are the interests of arms manufacturers and money-controllers who, as usual, promote peace conferences and foment wars.