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Whatistobedone's avatar

"We see you, you sick fucks. We’ll remember you forever." YES. Thank you...yet again for your voice and decency.

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Breakup Google's avatar

And we will bring retribution.

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@realRodster's avatar

When your largest campaign donor is Miriam Adelson, you respond this way to a Two State solution because Trump is all about Making Israel Great Again - MIGA

Trump: Macron's Two-State Talk "Doesn't Matter" & "Carries No Weight"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-macrons-two-state-talk-doesnt-matter-carries-no-weight

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John Turcot's avatar

“Trump is all about making Israel great again” Aren’t you talking about president Tariff?

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forceOfHabit's avatar

"They Intend To Keep Lying About Gaza Until They've Emptied It Out"

And afterwards too.

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jamenta's avatar
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Chris Hedges wrote in a more recent article he expects the Israelis to turn on themselves after they're finished with Gaza and the West Bank - because of the moral bankruptcy of their mass murdering, fanatical Nazi like Ethos. But one would like it all to end before then though. And are these "sick fucks" going to attack Iran again? Part of me wants them to so Iran wipes this fucking country called Israel off the map once and for all. You slaughter civilian women and children, deliberately starve them to death - YOU NO LONGER HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST. There needs to be a moral consequence to these sick fucks actions. No nation has a right to mass murder a defenseless population and starve them. There is no valid moral justification for it - at all. Not in the Bible. Not in the Quran. Not anywhere in human fucking history.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

All normal people should hate and despise shitsrael and all its western apologists. Hating Israel and wanting its destruction is a sign of humanity and goodness. All normal people can see how "western civilization" is rotten, sick, genocidal, anti-human entity.

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jamenta's avatar
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It may be the only hope humanity has left Nick. The ethical sense (and outrage) we "normal people" still carry within us. The cynics will say it is all just an evolved survival based biological mechanism - a trick of nature. I would like to believe it's something more.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

Ethics/morality is not just a nice touch to human existence. It is in fact essential to survival of the human race. But power, money, existence of shitsrael, and the corruption of the west will bring the downfall of the humanity. I still think that human society is structurally unstable and will not survive much longer unless something dramatically changes. Sad and depressing.

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John Turcot's avatar

It’s all about the Money baby, and the mighty Dollar.

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forceOfHabit's avatar

I know Chris Hedges (who I greatly admire) wrote that, but I'm inclined to disagree. I very much agree with the idea that the Israeli's moral bankruptcy will eventually destroy them, but once they're done with Gaza and the West Bank, then there's Lebanon, Syria, Iran... I don't see how the Israelis turn on themselves until they have dealt with all their external enemies first - a very long project.

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jamenta's avatar
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Hedges has had an amazing life trajectory. Kicked out of so many jobs by those who have wanted to silence his honest dissent, and yet has managed to become among the leading intellectual voices of our milieu.

Hard to predict what happens next. The problem of Israel having control of nuclear weapons is also rarely discussed, and yet is probably the most dangerous fact of all. If any nation needs to have their nuclear weapons taken away from them - it would be Israel.

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William Burns's avatar

Yes, they definitely have nuclear weapons, there is no doubt. The evidence is clear. Also note that they apparently have 5 diesel powered submarines. They could turn on the whole world and execute the Samson option. That would be done without remorse as the slaughter in GAZA is carried out.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

I would add that the USA should have their nuclear weapons taken away from them as well. This is the 80th anniversary of the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after all.

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John Turcot's avatar

The day anyone or any establishment can take Israel’s nukes from them will be the day tigers will allow you to remove their claws.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

You remove tiger's claws after euthanasia or after sedation. Its been done.

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Judy Bancroft's avatar

Agree jamenta, but do we actually know for sure they have them? They say they have or have lead the world to believe they have, but I wonder …read an interesting post on another Substack also seriously raising this question and sorry that I didn’t note whose it was ….

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Try Seymour Hersh’s book “The Samson Option,” and also read up about Mordechai Vanunu., not to mention the nuclear weapons relationship between Israel and the apartheid regime of South Africa.

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jamenta's avatar

Well, I don't have the time this morning to google search the Internet. But there has been a great deal of accumulated evidence and corroboration that the Israelis certainly do have WMDs.

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John Turcot's avatar

If Israel can order 2 thousand pound bombs from the United States at will, they can order nuclear weapons as well, and undoubtedly have.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I have to say Judy I partially agree that they may NOT have Nuclear weapons mostly because the sort of freaks they are, would have used them by now.

I NEVER believed the Iron Dome and have been proved correct.

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John Turcot's avatar

Judy,

They have not led the world to believe they have nuclear weapons, quite the opposite. Moreover, if you believe anything Israel states, you must still be dreaming.

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Judy Bancroft's avatar

No I don’t believe any of their lies.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

See "Greater Israel movement."

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David D's avatar

Who’s going to fund the judeonazi depravity going foward, china? The us and its western acolytes are going down the toilet.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

Jews seem to be terminal cancer of humanity. They constantly created problems throughout human history: slavery, genocides, wars, colonization, exceptionalism, etc. Something is fundamentally wrong with them.

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David D's avatar

Some of them, the ethnosupremist ones, like white supremists reflect poorly on white people.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

fwiw, the analyst I listen to most closely—Justin Podur of The Anti-Empire Project—said he doesn’t think Israel will attack Iran anytime soon. I’m not so sure though. If there is one definitive description I can make with confidence about Israel’s pattern of psychopathic behaviour, it’s “extreme delusional hubris”. I don’t think they’ll have the self control to resist another attack. And then Iran will not stop at simply creating deterrence—they’ll destroy Israel’s military and economic infrastructure once and for all. The thing about Israel’s nuclear threat is that it is impossible for them to neutralise Iran’s retaliatory capability even if they nuke Tehran. Iran is just too big. Israel would be annihilated if they used nukes. Just because you can fire some nukes from your German submarines doesn’t mean you’ll survive what comes next.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Theory. Trump is in a LOT of trouble at the present moment with the Epstein shit. How does Trump make that go away? Start a war on Iran via Israel.

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Whatistobedone's avatar

YES! NO N. O. N. E. right to exist....and they can take their sorry ass, fucked "That's antisemitic! That's antisemitic! You're hurting OUR feelings!" on their with them....into HELL. FUCK anybody and anyone anywhere and everywhere...if for even one second you approved of this....this HOLOCAUST..... religion, sex, creed, ethnicity, folks dots ..I don't give one fuck "who you are"....YOU ARE GENOCIDISTS.

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

You are so right. Israël has disqualified itself entirely as a state and should disappear. Saying that is antisemitic ? No, antizionistic. There will be, I hope, suffisant real Jews left to create a state with the Palestinians, christians included.

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Harry Ziboo's avatar

I think that as long as there is a Palestinian close by, the zionazi will try to destroy them. Even one Palestinian is too much for the sick fucks Zionazis. They are incapable of ever living in peace. If any of their Jewish neighbors even attempted to live with Palestinians, the Zionazis would murder them and their family. Beter for the Jewish people to be given reparations, land, etc. in Europe, especially Germany. That is what should have happened in the first place. It was a European people and problem.

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jamenta's avatar
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I mean, that's all they had to do right? Just live peacefully with their neighbors. Why is peace such a difficult concept to live by? Why is it never given a chance?

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Yes, it was at the time, when they came from Europe as simple as that. Instead, the created their state, not inclusive, but exclusive, worse chased the population already living there . You know the "story". Why ? Why did Zionists want an Apartheid State, still do, because it will not end with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the Westbank. Why do the Westerners accept this Middle Âgé behaviour ?

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Nick Douglas's avatar

Peace does not bring profit to uber-wealthy. And it is kind of "boring". No blood, no broken bones, no spilled brains or guts. Don't you see humans paying big money and enjoying watching two fighters (now even women - call it "equality") bloodied and maiming each other to death. And people cheer that violence. Humans will be extinct species soon. It will happen by natural selection or Divine intervention.

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misterkel's avatar

Iran can't wipe it off the map because of the Samson doctrine. If Israel is destroyed, they'll take the rest of humanity with it.

They aren't bluffing.

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jamenta's avatar
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No, and neither is Iran. Nuclear weapons really now has finally forced the trajectory of the human species and its use of war - to reach a final chapter. We end war, or war puts an end to us.

I think the odds are not looking good right now. A lot of sick fucks controlling these weapons.

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misterkel's avatar

What is Iran not bluffing about? My understanding of their position is:

'Leave us alone, please.'

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Stephen Walker's avatar

You really haven’t been paying attention, have you?

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Stephen Walker's avatar

Wrong. Iran will not lose its retaliatory capability even if Israel uses nukes. Iran is too big and Israel’s delivery platforms for nukes are too limited—essentially the submarine fleet Germany gifted them. Sure, Israel could inflict severe damage, but nothing even close to extinguishing Iran’s massive missile capabilities.

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misterkel's avatar

I see. so the threat of all the major cities in Iran being nuked is no reason to avoid an all-out pummeling of Israel?

Hmm - all I can say is I’m glad that’s not their attitude. They appear to want to avoid the death of half their population.

And yes, I’m paying attention. I understand that a real nuclear war could destroy humanity and much of the biosphere along with it.

And how is the above assertion wrong. there was no claim that Iran would lose it’s responsive strike capability. So sure - your strawman argument (having nothing at all to do with what I said) is probably wrong. but as I made NO SUCH ARGUMENT, you’re ‘wronging’ your own figment.

Take care.

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Davina's avatar

Which I suggest the should be taken to a desert island with no way of leaving, ever. Knowing how fast they would be to turn on each other.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

It really should be in the middle of nowhere.

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John Cosmo's avatar

Will the Palestinian Genocide be denied like the Armenian Genocide is? Will Israel attempt a half-hearted, certain-to-fail media campaign of atonement like Germany did after World War II?

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Whatistobedone's avatar

THANK YOU. Perfectly expressed....and, me, too...

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

Another insightful article. Thank You.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Were I to be consulted, Trump (and Biden) would not die in a cage.

Rather, they each would be placed bodily in irons and delivered over to the people of Gaza, there to receive whatever fate they people they once tormented saw fit to mete out.

I say this, not because I am so bloodthirsty, but because sociopaths learn only from reward and punishment, and now they can see this illustrated with two of their own.

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gypsy33's avatar

Spoken like a true feline, Feral.

Deliver the rats to the “kittens” of Gaza and let THEM destroy them.

It’s all a matter of instruction.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The Finster's blood runs icy cold.

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Whatistobedone's avatar

...me, too! Do we have....an affliction? If so.....hope it's contagious...

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gypsy33's avatar

No affliction, friend; justice.

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gypsy33's avatar

As a cat in a woman’s body, I have a strong predatory streak myself, Feral 😁

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Were I still in the college classroom, I’d want to give a course in Zionist Doublespeak. Something like:

”Tactical Pause” = New Vigorous Lying session

“Humanitarian Aid= Prevarication to Disguise Genocide-By-Famine

Peace talks = Perfect Cover for Big Whopper Lies

General Statements By Zionist Toadies/Enablers - Profusion of Propaganda (Lies with a Scripted Story-line)

Not really much of a course, really.

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Snowleopard's avatar

I thought peace talks were for setting agents or tracking devices on opposition leaders so they could be assassinated.

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William Burns's avatar

It should be studied and there is a lot of evidence to use for course material. I suggest everyone take the course.

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John Turcot's avatar

“Doublespeak” me thinks single speak should be on your menu since your comments don t quite make it past first base?

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Michael's avatar

People don’t believe what they’re seeing. I have very close ‘Democratic’ friends who are marching all over protesting on behalf of illegal immigrants, reproductive rights, and those impacted by cuts to social programs, but not a peep about this, arguably THE WORST ATROCITY OF OUR TIME. They are distracted by seething hatred for Trump. His abhorrent style triggers their feminist nature. But they are blinded by it. Then there are those that are willfully blind, because protesting Zionism and Jewish ethno-supremacy is a career ending move. Their allies in marching for those other issues are fully indoctrinated Jewish liberals. So, it’s an uncomfortable choice. To me, nothing they believe or do in support of our ‘rights’ is credible unless they also make a stand against our governments role in colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and genocide.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"To me, nothing they believe or do in support of our ‘rights’ is credible unless they also make a stand against our governments role in colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and genocide."

💯 Same for me too!

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Tony Erizia's avatar

Liberals, Michael. Totally spineless and untrustworthy. Can I respectfully advised that you are a tad more scrupulous in your choice of "friends:?

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Michael's avatar

I also have family and friends that are MAGA and also ‘Reagan’ conservatives. I don’t love any of them less. We need to stop hating victims of propaganda

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Tony Erizia's avatar

I have family that are racist and misogynists.I didn't choose them so I'm stuck with them by blood.

Friends I can choose.

And I don't keep friendly with people comfortable with genocide .

Ultimately, people's take responsibility for their beliefs. The sort of propaganda employed by the likes of Trump or Farage here in the UK, targets prejudices certain people have.

But if if you want to "love " racists...

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Michael's avatar

Tony, don’t you understand they don’t see it. Propaganda has made them blind. They’re not evil, just weak minded. A very close friend of mine said ‘well if they’d stop attacking us…’. I asked him, when did Palestinians or Iranians attack us? Yes, I am friends with dumb people with lazy minds.

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Tony Erizia's avatar

I take your point.But as a black man who has endured prejudice, there comes a point when I can no longer cut that slack.

Yes,some are just the victim of intense propaganda, but some people are just bigoted.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Oh, God -- that circular logic justifying the unjustifiable.

And I admire Ms. Rachel too.

It's so tragic that this horror in Gaza is showing us so clearly who has any kind of morals and who doesn't, and who is easily tricked and who isn't.

I can't comprehend how people are actually falling for these lies that contradict what we see on the ground every bloody day.

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The Underdog's avatar

"Everyone spreading lies today to help Israel carry out the final stages of its final solution knows exactly what they’re doing. We see you, you sick fucks."

Hear hear!

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Nick Heffernan's avatar

Tell it like it is, Caitlin.

I note that Professor Adam Tooze is now one of those establishment liberals who has at last found it within himself to take a clear moral stance on the deliberate starvation of Gaza. One by one, they’re being shamed into coming out of the closet.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

Yes, Tooze is horrendously too late. At least 18 months late. While his essay today was well argued with a lot of data provided for background and comparison, his lack of contrition about having failed to speak out strongly until now was flashing red across the screen as I read it, figuratively speaking.

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JennyStokes's avatar

As death and starvation continues in Palestine there will be many more people denying they supported Zionism. But will they turn on the Zionists and bomb the hell out of them?

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Susan's avatar

HA! So true, coming out of the closet!

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Jim S's avatar

Thank You Caitlin

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

& Tim

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wrknight's avatar

I said this in another forum, but I'll say it again.

What's missing, here, is the fact that everyone who is not focused on Epstein, is focused on Gaza while ignoring what is happening in the West Bank. Netanyahu has exploited this diversion to accelerate settler and IDF violence in the West Bank while everyone is looking elsewhere. The goal is to thoroughly cleanse all of Palestine of anything not Jewish.

Bear in mind, there will be no room for Christians either, once the Zionists no longer need them.

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martin's avatar

knesset just gave the green light to formally annex the west-bank. now they'll probably wait for the approval of the donald to implement the motion.

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TriTorch's avatar

"Think how many millennia of evolutionary conditioning you’d have to override as a human, as a primate, as a mammal, to stifle the screaming you feel inside when you see a skeletal infant. You’d have to make yourself less of a human inside to support the inhumanity."

My website is down so I cannot share the video, but Israeli children are taught in grade school that the people in Gaza are base evil animals there only to serve whatever psychopathic tendencies they care to act out. This is why they can shoot children in the knees and laugh at it: they believe, because they've been taught, that they are doing a good thing...

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Feral Finster's avatar

Gee, sounds like nazi education, just different Untermemenschen.

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Bushrod Lake's avatar

This has been going on since (at least) the 60s, when I met a fellow middle school teacher who was otherwise human and compassionate who thought the Palestinians were monsters.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I found similar thinking when I would criticise what the Israelis were doing, when speaking with my fellow anti-Vietnam war protesters.

They wouldn’t be spending billions on propaganda if it didn’t have some modicum of success.

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Sean Griobhtha's avatar

“The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews… They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like and effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”

— Chief Rabbi of Israel, speaking in October 2010

https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/romans-spartans-zionists-and-slavery

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gypsy33's avatar

I’ve been taught a lot of things I never believed.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Western governments are no more than mercenaries to the empire's criminality.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

People all over the world are doing something to try and stop this genocidal juggernaut.

Two Israeli soldiers have been arrested at a music festival in Belgium over war crimes allegations, a campaign group has said.

The Hind Rajab Foundation (HRF) said in a statement that the two soldiers were attending the Tomorrowland festival in Boom, near Antwerp when they were arrested "with a clear show of force" by Belgian federal police.

After the soldiers were taken into custody, they were formally interrogated and released.

HRF said the Belgian Federal Prosecutor's Office has confirmed that a criminal investigation is now underway.

The complaint was filed last week by HRF and the Global Legal Action Network (GLan).

https://donate.stripe.com/cN228hbY5g7jaM84gg

And there’s more: Dock workers at the Port of Piraeus have refused to unload a ship with military cargo destined to be transferred to a ship bound for Israel.

“We will not unload a single centimetre of this murderous cargo.
The dockworkers of Piraeus will not be complicit”.

We refuse to be tools of the US, Nato, the EU, Israel, or China, who use our country’s infrastructure to reshape the world redrawing borders with the blood of nations of the Palestinian people,”

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/greek-dock-workers-will-refuse-unload-ship-carrying-military-grade-steel-israel?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Joy are you aware of this initiative by the Hague Group ... to quote Francesca Albanese:

" In this crucial moment, The Hague Group sets an excellent example to other states as to how they can comply with their obligations under international law. The states that have signed on to the initiative—Belize, Bolivia, Colombia, Cuba, Honduras, Malaysia, Namibia, Senegal, and South Africa—are states with a history of consistent and principled commitment to the Palestinian question. These are also states that carry the wounds of a painful colonial past as well as the struggle for human rights that ensued ... the Hague Group are leading the way in what must become a global push for collective action through international law—no arms for genocide, no aid for occupation, and no tolerance for apartheid...."

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Waldo Jeffers's avatar

"Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and UN human rights experts all say it’s genocide". Also the JEWISH genocide scholars like Avi Shlaim, Amos Goldbert, Omer Bartov, Raz Segal (who so labeled it on Oct. 13, 2023), Norman Finkelstein, Lee Mordechai, Ilan Pappe, and Daniel Blatman.

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