“There is an evil which most of us condone and are even guilty of: indifference to evil. We remain neutral, impartial, and not easily moved by the wrongs done to other people. Indifference to evil is more insidious than evil itself; it is more universal, more contagious, more dangerous. A silent justification, it makes possible an evil erupting as an exception becoming the rule and being in turn accepted."
Multiple reports suggest Bibi's coming here to push for conflict with Iran. For example: “Netanyahu plans to press Donald Trump for US backing for another round of war with Iran, now framed around Iran’s ballistic missile program,” said Sina Toossi, a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy.
I read this & much as I hate war, I'm tempted to cheer because it seems like Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs.
What happens if Bibi really is stupid enough to attack Iran again, and then Israel really does start getting smoked by Iran (which is the most inevitable outcome). When most of Israel's ground military installations and Headquarters and energy centers are up in smoke, what happens then? Does Bibi just cry uncle? Or does he then send a message to Israel's nuclear submarines wherever they're at? Then what? Should we cheer that on? Will it be a happy ending? Sigh.
I mean, I feel the same as you - it would be great to see Tel Aviv in smoking ruins. But what happens after that?
Well, my friend, you identify why I'm only tempted to cheer and not head-over-heels excited and applauding. Yeah, the maniacs and the Sampson thing. No one can restrain them if they so choose. So your point is extremely well taken.
Thank you my friend. But on the other hand, should we just stand by and do nothing while these fanatics continue to slaughter the Palestinians? Even if it risks the entire world blowing up? I think my answer is no. Sometimes, some things really are worth dying for. :( What is the world and what are we if we just watch this happen and do nothing?
I'm old, so for myself, I'm ready to go to the wall to see the Zionists stopped. But one tries to acknowledge that younger folks may feel differently. It's a tough emotional struggle. But Palestine will never be free unless Israel is really hit hard and forced to physically degrade.
I am gray myself. So, yes - likely an easier decision when you're older. Your comment reminds me of Ursula Le Guin's city of Omelas, in her short story "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas". The city is a utopia of happiness and prosperity, a city out of a fairy-tale - sophisticated, cultured, highly intelligent citizens. But this utopia depends on one absolute requirement: "A single child must remain in perpetual misery, filth, and darkness."
Friends, commenting on the Iran situation. For so many years, I was a regular writer to Russia at Embassies, the UN offices and wherever else they were prominent. I didn't say they should consider anything other than establish a mutual partnership of friendship, cooperation and military support. with Iran.
In my opinion, at that time, I thought that would be enough to keep the Zionist brigades from bombing that country in response to the Israeli government claiming that the strike was a “preventive” one, meant to address an immediate, inevitable threat on Iran's part to develop a nuclear capability. Another Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco, the lying US excuse for military action, as we all now know in Iraq, resulting in the deaths of over 500,000 Iraqis.
A so -called military pact would have been seen as a level of protection for a smaller country due to a level of interest by the stronger partner, geographically, commercially or economically, reasons other than the obvious one of military protection.
It would have been hard for Netanyahu and his marauders to attack Iran in those circumstances. Yes, it was designed for the protection of what I always saw as a country with a high standard of living, perhaps the most advanced middle eastern country and one which had never been warlike for centuries. A civilised state, perhaps still suffering from an unpopular and overbearing religious control against the wishes of the people, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly the younger generations.
The point in mentioning this is the fact that all my entreaties were unsuccessful as Russia didn't honour me with any form of reply, ever. But what a different climate that could have produced over the past three years.
Why there was no initiative taken by Russia along these lines was beyond the understanding of so many.
Other mutual advantages were there for the making.
>>"...Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs"
Here's the reality, Vin, which many in this substack (and supporters of Palestine) are unable to grasp: Israel never acts alone (even if it says it does). The U.S. is ALWAYS involved (in some way or another that most of us will never know/find out). Hence, any war with Israel is ALSO a war with the United States. So when you think about "Iran smoking Tel Aviv", that is NOT reality, it is hopium (or worse). The simple (and very unfortunate) fact of the matter is that neither Iran (nor any other country) will be any match against the U.S. (and hence Israel).
The wild card in your argument, Chang, is Trump and his minions. No one can predict what the US will wheel out in support of Israel. No one can really predict the course here, just as the course of the12-day war was not predictable in advance. Hence, I submit that your assumptions are just that.
No wild card here. Study U.S. Foreign Policy and history. It's irreleveant WHO the President is. Nothing really to predict here either. A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.) at this point in time is suicide (and Iran knows that).
These are simply the realities, regardless of biases. Do you not think that I would too like Iran (or ANYBODY else) to smoke Israel? It doesn't matter how much I would really like to wish that, the reality of the present geopolitical circumstances doesn't support such an assertion/wish.
Ah your intolerable arrogant posture, Chang, as though no one else has studied this stuff. You are not prescient, my friend. The complexities are ridiculous: "A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.)"
is undefined. You oh omniscient one cannot say or clearly define what full-fledged will look like. Or what an Iranian response would be like. Too many variables, Your hand-waving, not really providing us some expertise in foreign policy. Sorry.
Still unable to accept reality when it is not in your favor, Vin? Don't worry, most aren't. Your EXCUSES are sounding much like the excuses of anybody trying to defend an undefendable position that is not based on reality. Here is a list of some of the excuses you have used in this comment ->
(1) a full-fledge military conflict is "undefined"
(2) one cannot clearly say or define ...
(3) Too many variables
(4) hand-waving
(5) not really providing expertise in foreign policy
(6) intolerable arrogant posture
(7) as though no one else has studied this stuff
Pure and simple DENIALISM, the denier rarely is able to see the signs (just ask the Israelis).
The good news hiding in the bad news about rampant censorship is that it an attempt to stop the growing nearly global denunciation of Israeli war crimes and genocide. It is a reaction to the fact that the Zionist Big Lie is rejected by virtually the entire world, with few exceptions.
The good news is that the bad news is a confession of defeat. You can win every battle and lose the war (Vietnam) if the people no longer believe the lies that justify the war and the excuses for the mass slaughter.
The good news is that Israel is being seen as a fascist monster by most people and most nations, and its response is to try to recapture the narrative it lost to the raw footage of the Gazan genocide. The best news is that the effort to censor free speech is doomed by the fact that the support for Palestine now is so great that marches of millions in London, in the Phillipines, in Mexico, in Bangladesh drown out the censor's orders with a giant roar heard round the world:
Dale, I hope you're right about strength lying in the global spread of anti-Israel sentiments. We're rapidly reaching an absurd point where if Greta were to hold a sign saying, simply, 'I OPPOSE GENOCIDE', and nothing specific about the perpetrator, it'd still be enough for her to be arrested. Our duopoly-government in Australia continues to perform the pre-emptive buckle in order to avoid Zionazi criticism, and I'm getting very fucking sick of it. I did not vote for a glove-puppet government reacting to every twitch of the Zionazi hand stuck up its arse.
Greta arrested only builds the awareness needed to defeat the Zionist genocide. Martyrs only grow the movement. When MLK was arrested, it caused a surge in the movement like no other action had. As for the global reah of the anti-Zionist movement , consider the massive demonstration in Bangladesh (Bangladesh!) with up to a million participating. 500,000 to a million protest in London. Australia: 300,000. And in the US, the majority of Americans now disapprove of the Israeli war, the majority of Democrats think Israel is committing genocide, and over 1/3 of Jews think Israel is committing genocide. The old weapons of "anti-Semitism" are losing their power and the Zionists are using their influence over governments in the US and UK to try to stop this growing opposition: the good news remains they are doing so because even Trump has told them they are losing the battle of the narrative.
"www.newsofisrael.com › middle-east › 2025/09/02Trump Claims Israel Losing Grip on US Congress and Public Opinion.
And if Congress flips, with a majority of Dem Senators voting already to stop arms shipments to Israel (their main and essential source), the game is over. And the good news is that it is highly likely that the US Congress will flip and the ability to stop the weapons shipments will be possible.
Here's why: "52% of Americans say the U.S. should stop weapons shipments to Israel until it stops attacking people in Gaza, compared with about 27% who disagree, according to a YouGov/Center for Economic and Policy Research poll.
Common Dreams
• Around 60% of U.S. voters oppose sending more military aid to Israel, with only about 32% supporting additional assistance, based on a recent Quinnipiac University poll.
Common Dreams
• Other recent surveys similarly show a majority of Americans now opposing further U.S. weapons deliveries to Israel.
It's weird that we are allowed to criticize every other state, but not the state of Israel. If we criticize the US, are we anti-Christian? Is criticism of Sudan anti Muslim? Criticism of the State of Israel has long before October 7th been called anti-semiitic without any more information given as to why. The poor little Israelites have suffered so much and now it is their turn to inflict suffering. That seems to be their twisted thinking. They need group therapy.
I honestly feel they are BEYOND group therapy. I consider many in Israel to be irredeemable, just as many German Nazis were irredeemable (and remember that Israelis have been brainwashed and indoctrinated for MULTIPLE generations compared to the Nazis's short time of reign).
I'm afraid you could be right. I've wondered how we could "heal" such a sick and twisted society, but there's no real good answer. To de-program one cult member takes a lot of time and energy, but to de-program millions of Israelis? It might be more merciful just to build a wall around them and keep them from getting out and spreading their sociopathic illness.
The thing is that most of the world governments and many of the people governed have also supported Israel's genocide. Israel is sicker than most, but we are all sick and we have all had generations to be indoctrinated with capitalist, winner take all ideas. I don't know if any of us can be healed very quickly. It would take quite a few more generations to get to develop our real humanity. Even those of us who recognize that genocide is immoral and wrong and horrible and evil have been tainted by the world around us. I don't have any answers either. Therapy seems like a start, anyway. Climate catastrophes may solve the issue for all of us sooner than we want.
It's true. Just like the bogus anti-semitism accusation, and the reporters being arrested for telling the truth about Israel's genocide in Gaza. To a certain class of people, it's considered rude to talk about this stuff. We're supposed to plug our ears, turn our heads and pretend it's not happening, or not so bad or something.
And the comparison to the abused spouse is right on.
An incisive analysis, Caitlyn Johnstone, of how criticism of Jewish Supremacist crimes is shut down by the authorities and ruling classes of the Global North and Anglosphere by means of Tone Policing: by criticizing or dismissing Israel’s critics through focusing on their emotional delivery – be it anger or passion or vehemence or loudness – rather than focusing on the substance of their critics’ arguments, complaints, and their presentation of factual evidence of Israel’s limitless crimes.
.
This is a traditional tactic employed by the ruling classes and authorities whenever they encounter the voices of marginalized groups calling out oppression. The party in the dominant position use this trick to continue to assert their dominance, and prioritize the comfort of their privileged position over the legitimate complaints of the marginalized and oppressed, thus effectively shutting off any attempt to appeal for actual justice for the victims of these ruling classes.
Zionism is the greatest threat to the world today.
Period.
“There is an evil which most of us condone and are even guilty of: indifference to evil. We remain neutral, impartial, and not easily moved by the wrongs done to other people. Indifference to evil is more insidious than evil itself; it is more universal, more contagious, more dangerous. A silent justification, it makes possible an evil erupting as an exception becoming the rule and being in turn accepted."
https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/dear-zionist
Multiple reports suggest Bibi's coming here to push for conflict with Iran. For example: “Netanyahu plans to press Donald Trump for US backing for another round of war with Iran, now framed around Iran’s ballistic missile program,” said Sina Toossi, a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy.
I read this & much as I hate war, I'm tempted to cheer because it seems like Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs.
Vin, THIS. 👍👍👍
What happens if Bibi really is stupid enough to attack Iran again, and then Israel really does start getting smoked by Iran (which is the most inevitable outcome). When most of Israel's ground military installations and Headquarters and energy centers are up in smoke, what happens then? Does Bibi just cry uncle? Or does he then send a message to Israel's nuclear submarines wherever they're at? Then what? Should we cheer that on? Will it be a happy ending? Sigh.
I mean, I feel the same as you - it would be great to see Tel Aviv in smoking ruins. But what happens after that?
Well, my friend, you identify why I'm only tempted to cheer and not head-over-heels excited and applauding. Yeah, the maniacs and the Sampson thing. No one can restrain them if they so choose. So your point is extremely well taken.
Thank you my friend. But on the other hand, should we just stand by and do nothing while these fanatics continue to slaughter the Palestinians? Even if it risks the entire world blowing up? I think my answer is no. Sometimes, some things really are worth dying for. :( What is the world and what are we if we just watch this happen and do nothing?
I'm old, so for myself, I'm ready to go to the wall to see the Zionists stopped. But one tries to acknowledge that younger folks may feel differently. It's a tough emotional struggle. But Palestine will never be free unless Israel is really hit hard and forced to physically degrade.
I am gray myself. So, yes - likely an easier decision when you're older. Your comment reminds me of Ursula Le Guin's city of Omelas, in her short story "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas". The city is a utopia of happiness and prosperity, a city out of a fairy-tale - sophisticated, cultured, highly intelligent citizens. But this utopia depends on one absolute requirement: "A single child must remain in perpetual misery, filth, and darkness."
Acceptable?
You're posing impossible questions now.
Friends, commenting on the Iran situation. For so many years, I was a regular writer to Russia at Embassies, the UN offices and wherever else they were prominent. I didn't say they should consider anything other than establish a mutual partnership of friendship, cooperation and military support. with Iran.
In my opinion, at that time, I thought that would be enough to keep the Zionist brigades from bombing that country in response to the Israeli government claiming that the strike was a “preventive” one, meant to address an immediate, inevitable threat on Iran's part to develop a nuclear capability. Another Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco, the lying US excuse for military action, as we all now know in Iraq, resulting in the deaths of over 500,000 Iraqis.
A so -called military pact would have been seen as a level of protection for a smaller country due to a level of interest by the stronger partner, geographically, commercially or economically, reasons other than the obvious one of military protection.
It would have been hard for Netanyahu and his marauders to attack Iran in those circumstances. Yes, it was designed for the protection of what I always saw as a country with a high standard of living, perhaps the most advanced middle eastern country and one which had never been warlike for centuries. A civilised state, perhaps still suffering from an unpopular and overbearing religious control against the wishes of the people, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly the younger generations.
The point in mentioning this is the fact that all my entreaties were unsuccessful as Russia didn't honour me with any form of reply, ever. But what a different climate that could have produced over the past three years.
Why there was no initiative taken by Russia along these lines was beyond the understanding of so many.
Other mutual advantages were there for the making.
>>"...Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs"
Here's the reality, Vin, which many in this substack (and supporters of Palestine) are unable to grasp: Israel never acts alone (even if it says it does). The U.S. is ALWAYS involved (in some way or another that most of us will never know/find out). Hence, any war with Israel is ALSO a war with the United States. So when you think about "Iran smoking Tel Aviv", that is NOT reality, it is hopium (or worse). The simple (and very unfortunate) fact of the matter is that neither Iran (nor any other country) will be any match against the U.S. (and hence Israel).
The wild card in your argument, Chang, is Trump and his minions. No one can predict what the US will wheel out in support of Israel. No one can really predict the course here, just as the course of the12-day war was not predictable in advance. Hence, I submit that your assumptions are just that.
No wild card here. Study U.S. Foreign Policy and history. It's irreleveant WHO the President is. Nothing really to predict here either. A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.) at this point in time is suicide (and Iran knows that).
These are simply the realities, regardless of biases. Do you not think that I would too like Iran (or ANYBODY else) to smoke Israel? It doesn't matter how much I would really like to wish that, the reality of the present geopolitical circumstances doesn't support such an assertion/wish.
Ah your intolerable arrogant posture, Chang, as though no one else has studied this stuff. You are not prescient, my friend. The complexities are ridiculous: "A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.)"
is undefined. You oh omniscient one cannot say or clearly define what full-fledged will look like. Or what an Iranian response would be like. Too many variables, Your hand-waving, not really providing us some expertise in foreign policy. Sorry.
Still unable to accept reality when it is not in your favor, Vin? Don't worry, most aren't. Your EXCUSES are sounding much like the excuses of anybody trying to defend an undefendable position that is not based on reality. Here is a list of some of the excuses you have used in this comment ->
(1) a full-fledge military conflict is "undefined"
(2) one cannot clearly say or define ...
(3) Too many variables
(4) hand-waving
(5) not really providing expertise in foreign policy
(6) intolerable arrogant posture
(7) as though no one else has studied this stuff
Pure and simple DENIALISM, the denier rarely is able to see the signs (just ask the Israelis).
The good news hiding in the bad news about rampant censorship is that it an attempt to stop the growing nearly global denunciation of Israeli war crimes and genocide. It is a reaction to the fact that the Zionist Big Lie is rejected by virtually the entire world, with few exceptions.
The good news is that the bad news is a confession of defeat. You can win every battle and lose the war (Vietnam) if the people no longer believe the lies that justify the war and the excuses for the mass slaughter.
The good news is that Israel is being seen as a fascist monster by most people and most nations, and its response is to try to recapture the narrative it lost to the raw footage of the Gazan genocide. The best news is that the effort to censor free speech is doomed by the fact that the support for Palestine now is so great that marches of millions in London, in the Phillipines, in Mexico, in Bangladesh drown out the censor's orders with a giant roar heard round the world:
FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE!
Dale, I hope you're right about strength lying in the global spread of anti-Israel sentiments. We're rapidly reaching an absurd point where if Greta were to hold a sign saying, simply, 'I OPPOSE GENOCIDE', and nothing specific about the perpetrator, it'd still be enough for her to be arrested. Our duopoly-government in Australia continues to perform the pre-emptive buckle in order to avoid Zionazi criticism, and I'm getting very fucking sick of it. I did not vote for a glove-puppet government reacting to every twitch of the Zionazi hand stuck up its arse.
Greta arrested only builds the awareness needed to defeat the Zionist genocide. Martyrs only grow the movement. When MLK was arrested, it caused a surge in the movement like no other action had. As for the global reah of the anti-Zionist movement , consider the massive demonstration in Bangladesh (Bangladesh!) with up to a million participating. 500,000 to a million protest in London. Australia: 300,000. And in the US, the majority of Americans now disapprove of the Israeli war, the majority of Democrats think Israel is committing genocide, and over 1/3 of Jews think Israel is committing genocide. The old weapons of "anti-Semitism" are losing their power and the Zionists are using their influence over governments in the US and UK to try to stop this growing opposition: the good news remains they are doing so because even Trump has told them they are losing the battle of the narrative.
"www.newsofisrael.com › middle-east › 2025/09/02Trump Claims Israel Losing Grip on US Congress and Public Opinion.
And if Congress flips, with a majority of Dem Senators voting already to stop arms shipments to Israel (their main and essential source), the game is over. And the good news is that it is highly likely that the US Congress will flip and the ability to stop the weapons shipments will be possible.
Here's why: "52% of Americans say the U.S. should stop weapons shipments to Israel until it stops attacking people in Gaza, compared with about 27% who disagree, according to a YouGov/Center for Economic and Policy Research poll.
Common Dreams
• Around 60% of U.S. voters oppose sending more military aid to Israel, with only about 32% supporting additional assistance, based on a recent Quinnipiac University poll.
Common Dreams
• Other recent surveys similarly show a majority of Americans now opposing further U.S. weapons deliveries to Israel.
Press TV"
Cancel Israel.
It's weird that we are allowed to criticize every other state, but not the state of Israel. If we criticize the US, are we anti-Christian? Is criticism of Sudan anti Muslim? Criticism of the State of Israel has long before October 7th been called anti-semiitic without any more information given as to why. The poor little Israelites have suffered so much and now it is their turn to inflict suffering. That seems to be their twisted thinking. They need group therapy.
>>"They need group therapy."
I honestly feel they are BEYOND group therapy. I consider many in Israel to be irredeemable, just as many German Nazis were irredeemable (and remember that Israelis have been brainwashed and indoctrinated for MULTIPLE generations compared to the Nazis's short time of reign).
I'm afraid you could be right. I've wondered how we could "heal" such a sick and twisted society, but there's no real good answer. To de-program one cult member takes a lot of time and energy, but to de-program millions of Israelis? It might be more merciful just to build a wall around them and keep them from getting out and spreading their sociopathic illness.
The thing is that most of the world governments and many of the people governed have also supported Israel's genocide. Israel is sicker than most, but we are all sick and we have all had generations to be indoctrinated with capitalist, winner take all ideas. I don't know if any of us can be healed very quickly. It would take quite a few more generations to get to develop our real humanity. Even those of us who recognize that genocide is immoral and wrong and horrible and evil have been tainted by the world around us. I don't have any answers either. Therapy seems like a start, anyway. Climate catastrophes may solve the issue for all of us sooner than we want.
There is no pro-Palestine chant that Zionists would not seek to silence.
I dont have to be pro palestine to be against crimes against humanity.
It's true. Just like the bogus anti-semitism accusation, and the reporters being arrested for telling the truth about Israel's genocide in Gaza. To a certain class of people, it's considered rude to talk about this stuff. We're supposed to plug our ears, turn our heads and pretend it's not happening, or not so bad or something.
And the comparison to the abused spouse is right on.
Thank you, Caitlin and Tim, every word in this post is exactly correct and so important!
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An incisive analysis, Caitlyn Johnstone, of how criticism of Jewish Supremacist crimes is shut down by the authorities and ruling classes of the Global North and Anglosphere by means of Tone Policing: by criticizing or dismissing Israel’s critics through focusing on their emotional delivery – be it anger or passion or vehemence or loudness – rather than focusing on the substance of their critics’ arguments, complaints, and their presentation of factual evidence of Israel’s limitless crimes.
.
This is a traditional tactic employed by the ruling classes and authorities whenever they encounter the voices of marginalized groups calling out oppression. The party in the dominant position use this trick to continue to assert their dominance, and prioritize the comfort of their privileged position over the legitimate complaints of the marginalized and oppressed, thus effectively shutting off any attempt to appeal for actual justice for the victims of these ruling classes.
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===> concerned about .....‘from the river to the sea’!? <===== pretty soon they will make "inversion of reality" an anti-semite slogan
38% of Occupied Palestine in Gaza has been further stolen and now no longer abutting Egypt
https://substack.com/@ahmadibsais/note/c-192539954?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1dyh0l
Same happening in Australia since Israels false flag event in Bondi Beach that that Govt is involved also
Spot on again. Fascism on the march and we remember from the past how that ends!
Thank you Caitlin and Tim.
"Globalise the Intifada", should be our battle cry! They have globalised Terror, so why shouldn't we globalise the fight for Peace!
Fighting Zionism is fighting the worst monster that capitalism has ever spawned.