The comments and headlines on Bloomberg reveal what the Capital profiteering class has done since u.n. resolution (Non Binding) Resolution #181. Why? Profits Before People? Racist Genocide Colonial Masters? Fuck that people of the world. Now is Now.
What country nuked a country for peace? Nuke Blackrock & Co.? Got to go. Masked people at the door for Israeli Demockracy Freedom (as seen on TV). B safe. Vote Zio D or R and feel free.
“There is an evil which most of us condone and are even guilty of: indifference to evil. We remain neutral, impartial, and not easily moved by the wrongs done to other people. Indifference to evil is more insidious than evil itself; it is more universal, more contagious, more dangerous. A silent justification, it makes possible an evil erupting as an exception becoming the rule and being in turn accepted."
Multiple reports suggest Bibi's coming here to push for conflict with Iran. For example: “Netanyahu plans to press Donald Trump for US backing for another round of war with Iran, now framed around Iran’s ballistic missile program,” said Sina Toossi, a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy.
I read this & much as I hate war, I'm tempted to cheer because it seems like Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs.
What happens if Bibi really is stupid enough to attack Iran again, and then Israel really does start getting smoked by Iran (which is the most inevitable outcome). When most of Israel's ground military installations and Headquarters and energy centers are up in smoke, what happens then? Does Bibi just cry uncle? Or does he then send a message to Israel's nuclear submarines wherever they're at? Then what? Should we cheer that on? Will it be a happy ending? Sigh.
I mean, I feel the same as you - it would be great to see Tel Aviv in smoking ruins. But what happens after that?
Well, my friend, you identify why I'm only tempted to cheer and not head-over-heels excited and applauding. Yeah, the maniacs and the Sampson thing. No one can restrain them if they so choose. So your point is extremely well taken.
Thank you my friend. But on the other hand, should we just stand by and do nothing while these fanatics continue to slaughter the Palestinians? Even if it risks the entire world blowing up? I think my answer is no. Sometimes, some things really are worth dying for. :( What is the world and what are we if we just watch this happen and do nothing?
I'm old, so for myself, I'm ready to go to the wall to see the Zionists stopped. But one tries to acknowledge that younger folks may feel differently. It's a tough emotional struggle. But Palestine will never be free unless Israel is really hit hard and forced to physically degrade.
Friends, commenting on the Iran situation. For so many years, I was a regular writer to Russia at Embassies, the UN offices and wherever else they were prominent. I didn't say they should consider anything other than establish a mutual partnership of friendship, cooperation and military support. with Iran.
In my opinion, at that time, I thought that would be enough to keep the Zionist brigades from bombing that country in response to the Israeli government claiming that the strike was a “preventive” one, meant to address an immediate, inevitable threat on Iran's part to develop a nuclear capability. Another Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco, the lying US excuse for military action, as we all now know in Iraq, resulting in the deaths of over 500,000 Iraqis.
A so -called military pact would have been seen as a level of protection for a smaller country due to a level of interest by the stronger partner, geographically, commercially or economically, reasons other than the obvious one of military protection.
It would have been hard for Netanyahu and his marauders to attack Iran in those circumstances. Yes, it was designed for the protection of what I always saw as a country with a high standard of living, perhaps the most advanced middle eastern country and one which had never been warlike for centuries. A civilised state, perhaps still suffering from an unpopular and overbearing religious control against the wishes of the people, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly the younger generations.
The point in mentioning this is the fact that all my entreaties were unsuccessful as Russia didn't honour me with any form of reply, ever. But what a different climate that could have produced over the past three years.
Why there was no initiative taken by Russia along these lines was beyond the understanding of so many.
Other mutual advantages were there for the making.
>>"...Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs"
Here's the reality, Vin, which many in this substack (and supporters of Palestine) are unable to grasp: Israel never acts alone (even if it says it does). The U.S. is ALWAYS involved (in some way or another that most of us will never know/find out). Hence, any war with Israel is ALSO a war with the United States. So when you think about "Iran smoking Tel Aviv", that is NOT reality, it is hopium (or worse). The simple (and very unfortunate) fact of the matter is that neither Iran (nor any other country) will be any match against the U.S. (and hence Israel).
The wild card in your argument, Chang, is Trump and his minions. No one can predict what the US will wheel out in support of Israel. No one can really predict the course here, just as the course of the12-day war was not predictable in advance. Hence, I submit that your assumptions are just that.
No wild card here. Study U.S. Foreign Policy and history. It's irreleveant WHO the President is. Nothing really to predict here either. A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.) at this point in time is suicide (and Iran knows that).
These are simply the realities, regardless of biases. Do you not think that I would too like Iran (or ANYBODY else) to smoke Israel? It doesn't matter how much I would really like to wish that, the reality of the present geopolitical circumstances doesn't support such an assertion/wish.
Ah your intolerable arrogant posture, Chang, as though no one else has studied this stuff. You are not prescient, my friend. The complexities are ridiculous: "A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.)"
is undefined. You oh omniscient one cannot say or clearly define what full-fledged will look like. Or what an Iranian response would be like. Too many variables, Your hand-waving, not really providing us some expertise in foreign policy. Sorry.
I try to find some glimmer of hope in the USRAEL vs Iran situation. Here is my glimmer: In June the US bombed Iran’s nuclear facilities. Israel in coordination went after air defenses, military leadership etc. No doubt in my mind regime change was the goal. Initially it looked bleak for Iran but they quickly regained their footing and began laying serious hits on Israel’s military and other high value targets even destroying Mossad HQ. Israel’s air defenses were overwhelmed and Iran kept hitting them for several days.
What was the US doing during this onslaught against their number one ally? I do not recall the US coming in to stop it in any way.
Finally Israel squealed for a ceasefire and Iran agreed. I can easily imagine Netanyahu’s embarrassment and anger. It might be a bit of wishful thinking but Trump almost sounded like he was taunting when he stated that Israel had taken a real beating. What? Your bestie is taking a beating for days and you stood and watched? Was there a subtle message to Netanyahu that if he insists on his lifelong mission do not expect zero consequences? And is it possible Trump is a bit reluctant in taking out Iran? This is a stretch but Iran dropping a missile on Netanyahu might be a relief for Trump. And no I am not a closet Trumper.
Trump allowed Iran to hammer Israel for days. Why?
My glimmer is based on facts. What follows is speculation but not entirely. Both Russia and China have publicly stated that all out war in Iran is a serious danger to the world. Is it possible that they have privately let Trump Co know they will act in some way perhaps short of direct military assistance if this regime change and neutering of Iran goes forward?
israel, is the focus. The destruction of the focus might give the resistance an opportunity to expand. What will all those Christian Zionists give their money to without israel : )
I have to agree my friend. Normally I am a person of peace, however, israel being stupid may be the only hope for peace in the entire region. Strange isn't it Egypt, Saudi, UAE, turkey still don't understand they are next.
It would appear that Iran has reached the point where it is more than capable of smashing Isra-hell into dust particles. This time is fast approaching.
As you might deduce from the vast amount of rhetoric on this thread, opinions differ wildly on whether that capability can and will be realized. Listening to some folks like Seyed Marandi or Douglas MacGregor would lead one to your conclusion. Others would say that it'll never be permitted to happen. Stay tuned.
Iranian friends tell me what we hear is months old. Building a warhead is easy, installing 60% enriched device doable and most likely done. The hard part the hypersonic missile with targeting data. Russia launched two satellites for Iran a month ago. A few 60% around israel and most of the former people from central Europe, and the u.s. will return home if many haven't already. The side benefit when israel is toasted the loss column for we in the u.s. could be the game changer for peace. Who would follow a failed war monger without wins even failing to protect israel : )
I think it is also important to bear in mind that there is a significant minority of Israelis who object to their government's actions in Gaza. IDF whistle-blowers confirmed they were given orders to commit war crimes, and Haaretz, an Israeli paper, broke the stories. As much as I think that every member of the Netanyahu government and every member of the IDF who is NOT a whistle-blower belongs in the Hague and/or in Hell I don't think the cost to decent people, animals or the environment would be worth it. There has to be another way to dissolve Israel as a nation state.
Show me another way and I'm all in favor. And if you've read my posts in this thread, you should already recognize that I am conflicted as hell. But the US veto in the UN Security Council ensures that the UN is a dead end. And your "significant minority" in Israel is I believe, on the order of 5 to 10%. To call that significant may be a stretch. Your wishes are undoubtedly noble, but they may be as evanescent as a Palestinian state.
I agree that it's an awful problem. AIPAC and Israeli billionaires are doing everything they can to own or crush every significant U.S. politician, so we can't even elect representatives who will defund Israel. All the U.S. needs to do to bring down the state of Israel is divest. The good news is that young people on both the left and the right want to defund Israel. The bad news is that the people in Gaza don't have ten years to wait.
That's the problem. It's existential, not just for Gaza, but the West Bank as well. Which is why so many voices support the (somewhat desperate) notion that Iran seems the only solution to stopping Zionist aggression sooner than later. One of my critics above calls it hopium. None of us deny that's partly what it is, but that's what desperation produces.
The good news hiding in the bad news about rampant censorship is that it an attempt to stop the growing nearly global denunciation of Israeli war crimes and genocide. It is a reaction to the fact that the Zionist Big Lie is rejected by virtually the entire world, with few exceptions.
The good news is that the bad news is a confession of defeat. You can win every battle and lose the war (Vietnam) if the people no longer believe the lies that justify the war and the excuses for the mass slaughter.
The good news is that Israel is being seen as a fascist monster by most people and most nations, and its response is to try to recapture the narrative it lost to the raw footage of the Gazan genocide. The best news is that the effort to censor free speech is doomed by the fact that the support for Palestine now is so great that marches of millions in London, in the Phillipines, in Mexico, in Bangladesh drown out the censor's orders with a giant roar heard round the world:
Dale, I hope you're right about strength lying in the global spread of anti-Israel sentiments. We're rapidly reaching an absurd point where if Greta were to hold a sign saying, simply, 'I OPPOSE GENOCIDE', and nothing specific about the perpetrator, it'd still be enough for her to be arrested. Our duopoly-government in Australia continues to perform the pre-emptive buckle in order to avoid Zionazi criticism, and I'm getting very fucking sick of it. I did not vote for a glove-puppet government reacting to every twitch of the Zionazi hand stuck up its arse.
Greta arrested only builds the awareness needed to defeat the Zionist genocide. Martyrs only grow the movement. When MLK was arrested, it caused a surge in the movement like no other action had. As for the global reah of the anti-Zionist movement , consider the massive demonstration in Bangladesh (Bangladesh!) with up to a million participating. 500,000 to a million protest in London. Australia: 300,000. And in the US, the majority of Americans now disapprove of the Israeli war, the majority of Democrats think Israel is committing genocide, and over 1/3 of Jews think Israel is committing genocide. The old weapons of "anti-Semitism" are losing their power and the Zionists are using their influence over governments in the US and UK to try to stop this growing opposition: the good news remains they are doing so because even Trump has told them they are losing the battle of the narrative.
"www.newsofisrael.com › middle-east › 2025/09/02Trump Claims Israel Losing Grip on US Congress and Public Opinion.
And if Congress flips, with a majority of Dem Senators voting already to stop arms shipments to Israel (their main and essential source), the game is over. And the good news is that it is highly likely that the US Congress will flip and the ability to stop the weapons shipments will be possible.
Here's why: "52% of Americans say the U.S. should stop weapons shipments to Israel until it stops attacking people in Gaza, compared with about 27% who disagree, according to a YouGov/Center for Economic and Policy Research poll.
Common Dreams
• Around 60% of U.S. voters oppose sending more military aid to Israel, with only about 32% supporting additional assistance, based on a recent Quinnipiac University poll.
Common Dreams
• Other recent surveys similarly show a majority of Americans now opposing further U.S. weapons deliveries to Israel.
I respond to all the texts to former supported Democrats with Fuck You Genocide enablers. If they have lost me they have lost and the Republicant's are bigger losers. So nothing will happen. In fact as the moron Kamala thinks it wasn't supporting Genocide that destroyed her shitty campaign but a failure to be harsher with her critiques. The israeli infection is far deeper than is thought. Oligarchs are building their bunkers for a reason.
It takes only 51% in Congreess to stop arms shipments to Israel and cripple their war efforts. The Sanders bill got the majority of Dems in the Senate to for it (all Repubs against). With a blue tsunami in 2026, the bill could pass if enough progressive Dems are elected. Some are cynical about this, but there is no other possible way to stop Israel.
Starmer is worse. He knows, with absolute certainty, that he'll lose the next election. He's the most unpopular PM in British history and has trashed the Labour party, probably forever. He is despised by both the Left and the Right. Yet he will not stop supporting Israel. It's the alter he will die on, just like Biden.
Obviously I despise Trump. But he cares most about himself, which could be an advantage in the end.
Yes, have to agree with you there. Of course Starmer's handler shares his bed and he seems to be spineless, so easily manipulated. And it's damn well disgusting that he fought to be elected only to serve another country, so why us he not being indicted and tried for treason?
It's weird that we are allowed to criticize every other state, but not the state of Israel. If we criticize the US, are we anti-Christian? Is criticism of Sudan anti Muslim? Criticism of the State of Israel has long before October 7th been called anti-semiitic without any more information given as to why. The poor little Israelites have suffered so much and now it is their turn to inflict suffering. That seems to be their twisted thinking. They need group therapy.
I honestly feel they are BEYOND group therapy. I consider many in Israel to be irredeemable, just as many German Nazis were irredeemable (and remember that Israelis have been brainwashed and indoctrinated for MULTIPLE generations compared to the Nazis's short time of reign).
I'm afraid you could be right. I've wondered how we could "heal" such a sick and twisted society, but there's no real good answer. To de-program one cult member takes a lot of time and energy, but to de-program millions of Israelis? It might be more merciful just to build a wall around them and keep them from getting out and spreading their sociopathic illness.
The thing is that most of the world governments and many of the people governed have also supported Israel's genocide. Israel is sicker than most, but we are all sick and we have all had generations to be indoctrinated with capitalist, winner take all ideas. I don't know if any of us can be healed very quickly. It would take quite a few more generations to get to develop our real humanity. Even those of us who recognize that genocide is immoral and wrong and horrible and evil have been tainted by the world around us. I don't have any answers either. Therapy seems like a start, anyway. Climate catastrophes may solve the issue for all of us sooner than we want.
You are right. And we are heading downward, not upward. I don't believe we have 'several generations' left. Maybe a couple, at most, if we're lucky, the way things are going.
The Duopoly is building a wall on the boarder for a reason, it's not the few boarder crossings. It's when the water is gone. Track the canyon water levels and the fight within the u.s. over water. The Colorado river now only occasionally reaches Mexico. The wall is about climate change/destruction.
Having the Genociders return to the EU/u.s. would be the better option. Of course I would assume we would have to deal with their hate at home. With numbers thinned being shunned by thinking people may slowly change their minds. Maybe they needed 200 yrs. in the desert to turn into good hearted people? Saudi Arabia the perfect desert. I vote for that : )
Sorry to tell you my friend, I agree with you. I wish I could find a reason Apartheid israel can survive. A New Palestine representing all is the only way after Iran is done with them. I am not usually proven right until all the cards are played using the Genocide Don metaphor ha.
This is a point we don't hear about much, but I think if it, too. Every time a protester is arrested and dubbed a 'pro-Palestine' protester I think to myself, how do they know they're pro-Palestine? Perhaps they have no strong feelings one way or another about Palestine or Palestinians. Perhaps they just care about justice, morality and international law.
In conflicts like this everything is being weaponized.
Someone should automate an AI to spot weaponization, and then use the data to neutralize everything thats being weaponized. But then reality could look stranger then fiction
It's true. Just like the bogus anti-semitism accusation, and the reporters being arrested for telling the truth about Israel's genocide in Gaza. To a certain class of people, it's considered rude to talk about this stuff. We're supposed to plug our ears, turn our heads and pretend it's not happening, or not so bad or something.
And the comparison to the abused spouse is right on.
"The goal of the abuser is to preserve the status quo."
So true. And the ultimate, world-wide abuser is Zionist Israel. They will do anything, say anything and lie through their teeth to get away with genocide. That's why we can't let them get away with this abuse. We need to continue protesting, saying what we want to say (not censoring ourselves because of what THEY object to), and never giving in for a moment. Globalize the intifada--Power to the People!
An incisive analysis, Caitlyn Johnstone, of how criticism of Jewish Supremacist crimes is shut down by the authorities and ruling classes of the Global North and Anglosphere by means of Tone Policing: by criticizing or dismissing Israel’s critics through focusing on their emotional delivery – be it anger or passion or vehemence or loudness – rather than focusing on the substance of their critics’ arguments, complaints, and their presentation of factual evidence of Israel’s limitless crimes.
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This is a traditional tactic employed by the ruling classes and authorities whenever they encounter the voices of marginalized groups calling out oppression. The party in the dominant position use this trick to continue to assert their dominance, and prioritize the comfort of their privileged position over the legitimate complaints of the marginalized and oppressed, thus effectively shutting off any attempt to appeal for actual justice for the victims of these ruling classes.
I think it's more that the media is owned, too much of it in truth, by zionist jews who now put zionism before judaism, put piwerbefire service, which is what media should provide not discord and lies.
It has been said that those who choose security over freedom and rights deserve neither. I would say this a little differently: Those who would choose security over freedom and rights will get neither.
That's all we get now from all these great leaders of the free world, almost screaming it non-stop: "Security, security, security!" In the name of security, you must give up your first born! And so many men (and women) fall for it.
So true. Nevertheless, I'd still like to see signs of translated "Globalize the intifada," such as "Globalize the struggle to stop colonialism," or "Globalize the effort to end the occupation," "Globalize the resistance to genocide."The benefit is that when they do come after those signs, there's no place to hide behind 'foreign' words that they claim could mean anything. And some of them, in order to object, they would have to own the crime, by acknowledging it was referring to them.
Yes, but forcing them to stop hiding behind anything other than the truth is powerful. That’s why they try so hard to cover up what they really are, and want.
Joy; it's subtle distinctions, but semantics does matter. We've never had to be more careful with language than in today's media-saturated world.
Racists will always stir up fear around foreign-language terms, and the most stupid citizenry will fall for it. Racism = 'take the easy way to power-accrual'.
The challenge is to come up with messaging that has real impact, that hits home as pointed, concise language.
Zionism is the greatest threat to the world today.
Period.
We The People can Shut It Down. TY Gypsy. Help Wanted. I will give my heartbeat. Keep on...
The comments and headlines on Bloomberg reveal what the Capital profiteering class has done since u.n. resolution (Non Binding) Resolution #181. Why? Profits Before People? Racist Genocide Colonial Masters? Fuck that people of the world. Now is Now.
What country nuked a country for peace? Nuke Blackrock & Co.? Got to go. Masked people at the door for Israeli Demockracy Freedom (as seen on TV). B safe. Vote Zio D or R and feel free.
“There is an evil which most of us condone and are even guilty of: indifference to evil. We remain neutral, impartial, and not easily moved by the wrongs done to other people. Indifference to evil is more insidious than evil itself; it is more universal, more contagious, more dangerous. A silent justification, it makes possible an evil erupting as an exception becoming the rule and being in turn accepted."
https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/dear-zionist
Multiple reports suggest Bibi's coming here to push for conflict with Iran. For example: “Netanyahu plans to press Donald Trump for US backing for another round of war with Iran, now framed around Iran’s ballistic missile program,” said Sina Toossi, a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy.
I read this & much as I hate war, I'm tempted to cheer because it seems like Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs.
What happens if Bibi really is stupid enough to attack Iran again, and then Israel really does start getting smoked by Iran (which is the most inevitable outcome). When most of Israel's ground military installations and Headquarters and energy centers are up in smoke, what happens then? Does Bibi just cry uncle? Or does he then send a message to Israel's nuclear submarines wherever they're at? Then what? Should we cheer that on? Will it be a happy ending? Sigh.
I mean, I feel the same as you - it would be great to see Tel Aviv in smoking ruins. But what happens after that?
Well, my friend, you identify why I'm only tempted to cheer and not head-over-heels excited and applauding. Yeah, the maniacs and the Sampson thing. No one can restrain them if they so choose. So your point is extremely well taken.
Thank you my friend. But on the other hand, should we just stand by and do nothing while these fanatics continue to slaughter the Palestinians? Even if it risks the entire world blowing up? I think my answer is no. Sometimes, some things really are worth dying for. :( What is the world and what are we if we just watch this happen and do nothing?
I'm old, so for myself, I'm ready to go to the wall to see the Zionists stopped. But one tries to acknowledge that younger folks may feel differently. It's a tough emotional struggle. But Palestine will never be free unless Israel is really hit hard and forced to physically degrade.
Friends, commenting on the Iran situation. For so many years, I was a regular writer to Russia at Embassies, the UN offices and wherever else they were prominent. I didn't say they should consider anything other than establish a mutual partnership of friendship, cooperation and military support. with Iran.
In my opinion, at that time, I thought that would be enough to keep the Zionist brigades from bombing that country in response to the Israeli government claiming that the strike was a “preventive” one, meant to address an immediate, inevitable threat on Iran's part to develop a nuclear capability. Another Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco, the lying US excuse for military action, as we all now know in Iraq, resulting in the deaths of over 500,000 Iraqis.
A so -called military pact would have been seen as a level of protection for a smaller country due to a level of interest by the stronger partner, geographically, commercially or economically, reasons other than the obvious one of military protection.
It would have been hard for Netanyahu and his marauders to attack Iran in those circumstances. Yes, it was designed for the protection of what I always saw as a country with a high standard of living, perhaps the most advanced middle eastern country and one which had never been warlike for centuries. A civilised state, perhaps still suffering from an unpopular and overbearing religious control against the wishes of the people, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly the younger generations.
The point in mentioning this is the fact that all my entreaties were unsuccessful as Russia didn't honour me with any form of reply, ever. But what a different climate that could have produced over the past three years.
Why there was no initiative taken by Russia along these lines was beyond the understanding of so many.
Other mutual advantages were there for the making.
>>"...Iran smoking Tel Aviv is our only current hope to stanch the flow of murder from these maniacs"
Here's the reality, Vin, which many in this substack (and supporters of Palestine) are unable to grasp: Israel never acts alone (even if it says it does). The U.S. is ALWAYS involved (in some way or another that most of us will never know/find out). Hence, any war with Israel is ALSO a war with the United States. So when you think about "Iran smoking Tel Aviv", that is NOT reality, it is hopium (or worse). The simple (and very unfortunate) fact of the matter is that neither Iran (nor any other country) will be any match against the U.S. (and hence Israel).
The wild card in your argument, Chang, is Trump and his minions. No one can predict what the US will wheel out in support of Israel. No one can really predict the course here, just as the course of the12-day war was not predictable in advance. Hence, I submit that your assumptions are just that.
No wild card here. Study U.S. Foreign Policy and history. It's irreleveant WHO the President is. Nothing really to predict here either. A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.) at this point in time is suicide (and Iran knows that).
These are simply the realities, regardless of biases. Do you not think that I would too like Iran (or ANYBODY else) to smoke Israel? It doesn't matter how much I would really like to wish that, the reality of the present geopolitical circumstances doesn't support such an assertion/wish.
Ah your intolerable arrogant posture, Chang, as though no one else has studied this stuff. You are not prescient, my friend. The complexities are ridiculous: "A full-fledged military conflict with Israel (and hence the U.S.)"
is undefined. You oh omniscient one cannot say or clearly define what full-fledged will look like. Or what an Iranian response would be like. Too many variables, Your hand-waving, not really providing us some expertise in foreign policy. Sorry.
I try to find some glimmer of hope in the USRAEL vs Iran situation. Here is my glimmer: In June the US bombed Iran’s nuclear facilities. Israel in coordination went after air defenses, military leadership etc. No doubt in my mind regime change was the goal. Initially it looked bleak for Iran but they quickly regained their footing and began laying serious hits on Israel’s military and other high value targets even destroying Mossad HQ. Israel’s air defenses were overwhelmed and Iran kept hitting them for several days.
What was the US doing during this onslaught against their number one ally? I do not recall the US coming in to stop it in any way.
Finally Israel squealed for a ceasefire and Iran agreed. I can easily imagine Netanyahu’s embarrassment and anger. It might be a bit of wishful thinking but Trump almost sounded like he was taunting when he stated that Israel had taken a real beating. What? Your bestie is taking a beating for days and you stood and watched? Was there a subtle message to Netanyahu that if he insists on his lifelong mission do not expect zero consequences? And is it possible Trump is a bit reluctant in taking out Iran? This is a stretch but Iran dropping a missile on Netanyahu might be a relief for Trump. And no I am not a closet Trumper.
Trump allowed Iran to hammer Israel for days. Why?
My glimmer is based on facts. What follows is speculation but not entirely. Both Russia and China have publicly stated that all out war in Iran is a serious danger to the world. Is it possible that they have privately let Trump Co know they will act in some way perhaps short of direct military assistance if this regime change and neutering of Iran goes forward?
israel, is the focus. The destruction of the focus might give the resistance an opportunity to expand. What will all those Christian Zionists give their money to without israel : )
Vin, THIS. 👍👍👍
I have to agree my friend. Normally I am a person of peace, however, israel being stupid may be the only hope for peace in the entire region. Strange isn't it Egypt, Saudi, UAE, turkey still don't understand they are next.
It would appear that Iran has reached the point where it is more than capable of smashing Isra-hell into dust particles. This time is fast approaching.
As you might deduce from the vast amount of rhetoric on this thread, opinions differ wildly on whether that capability can and will be realized. Listening to some folks like Seyed Marandi or Douglas MacGregor would lead one to your conclusion. Others would say that it'll never be permitted to happen. Stay tuned.
Iranian friends tell me what we hear is months old. Building a warhead is easy, installing 60% enriched device doable and most likely done. The hard part the hypersonic missile with targeting data. Russia launched two satellites for Iran a month ago. A few 60% around israel and most of the former people from central Europe, and the u.s. will return home if many haven't already. The side benefit when israel is toasted the loss column for we in the u.s. could be the game changer for peace. Who would follow a failed war monger without wins even failing to protect israel : )
Ken: things are getting to such an extremity that such can't be ruled out.
And what a purge it would be. What a relief it would be - but only momentarily.
Different viciousness would certainly replace racist zionism.
I think it is also important to bear in mind that there is a significant minority of Israelis who object to their government's actions in Gaza. IDF whistle-blowers confirmed they were given orders to commit war crimes, and Haaretz, an Israeli paper, broke the stories. As much as I think that every member of the Netanyahu government and every member of the IDF who is NOT a whistle-blower belongs in the Hague and/or in Hell I don't think the cost to decent people, animals or the environment would be worth it. There has to be another way to dissolve Israel as a nation state.
Show me another way and I'm all in favor. And if you've read my posts in this thread, you should already recognize that I am conflicted as hell. But the US veto in the UN Security Council ensures that the UN is a dead end. And your "significant minority" in Israel is I believe, on the order of 5 to 10%. To call that significant may be a stretch. Your wishes are undoubtedly noble, but they may be as evanescent as a Palestinian state.
I agree that it's an awful problem. AIPAC and Israeli billionaires are doing everything they can to own or crush every significant U.S. politician, so we can't even elect representatives who will defund Israel. All the U.S. needs to do to bring down the state of Israel is divest. The good news is that young people on both the left and the right want to defund Israel. The bad news is that the people in Gaza don't have ten years to wait.
That's the problem. It's existential, not just for Gaza, but the West Bank as well. Which is why so many voices support the (somewhat desperate) notion that Iran seems the only solution to stopping Zionist aggression sooner than later. One of my critics above calls it hopium. None of us deny that's partly what it is, but that's what desperation produces.
Yet from those israelis we hear crickets. I see no other way than allowing peace by the end of Apartheid israel.
If Israel is pushing for a renewal of war on Iran, then we can be assured that Israel is confident in its defenses.
Probably so. Perhaps we shall get to witness whether that confidence is or is not justified.
Overly confident, Your Royal Feline Majesty! 😼
The good news hiding in the bad news about rampant censorship is that it an attempt to stop the growing nearly global denunciation of Israeli war crimes and genocide. It is a reaction to the fact that the Zionist Big Lie is rejected by virtually the entire world, with few exceptions.
The good news is that the bad news is a confession of defeat. You can win every battle and lose the war (Vietnam) if the people no longer believe the lies that justify the war and the excuses for the mass slaughter.
The good news is that Israel is being seen as a fascist monster by most people and most nations, and its response is to try to recapture the narrative it lost to the raw footage of the Gazan genocide. The best news is that the effort to censor free speech is doomed by the fact that the support for Palestine now is so great that marches of millions in London, in the Phillipines, in Mexico, in Bangladesh drown out the censor's orders with a giant roar heard round the world:
FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE!
Dale, I hope you're right about strength lying in the global spread of anti-Israel sentiments. We're rapidly reaching an absurd point where if Greta were to hold a sign saying, simply, 'I OPPOSE GENOCIDE', and nothing specific about the perpetrator, it'd still be enough for her to be arrested. Our duopoly-government in Australia continues to perform the pre-emptive buckle in order to avoid Zionazi criticism, and I'm getting very fucking sick of it. I did not vote for a glove-puppet government reacting to every twitch of the Zionazi hand stuck up its arse.
Greta arrested only builds the awareness needed to defeat the Zionist genocide. Martyrs only grow the movement. When MLK was arrested, it caused a surge in the movement like no other action had. As for the global reah of the anti-Zionist movement , consider the massive demonstration in Bangladesh (Bangladesh!) with up to a million participating. 500,000 to a million protest in London. Australia: 300,000. And in the US, the majority of Americans now disapprove of the Israeli war, the majority of Democrats think Israel is committing genocide, and over 1/3 of Jews think Israel is committing genocide. The old weapons of "anti-Semitism" are losing their power and the Zionists are using their influence over governments in the US and UK to try to stop this growing opposition: the good news remains they are doing so because even Trump has told them they are losing the battle of the narrative.
"www.newsofisrael.com › middle-east › 2025/09/02Trump Claims Israel Losing Grip on US Congress and Public Opinion.
And if Congress flips, with a majority of Dem Senators voting already to stop arms shipments to Israel (their main and essential source), the game is over. And the good news is that it is highly likely that the US Congress will flip and the ability to stop the weapons shipments will be possible.
Here's why: "52% of Americans say the U.S. should stop weapons shipments to Israel until it stops attacking people in Gaza, compared with about 27% who disagree, according to a YouGov/Center for Economic and Policy Research poll.
Common Dreams
• Around 60% of U.S. voters oppose sending more military aid to Israel, with only about 32% supporting additional assistance, based on a recent Quinnipiac University poll.
Common Dreams
• Other recent surveys similarly show a majority of Americans now opposing further U.S. weapons deliveries to Israel.
Press TV"
If only Congress listened to-and acted on-the wishes of their constituents, rather than pocketing the bribes from AIPAC.
Governments tend to avoid only 60% opinions. It needs be closer to 80+ surely..
I respond to all the texts to former supported Democrats with Fuck You Genocide enablers. If they have lost me they have lost and the Republicant's are bigger losers. So nothing will happen. In fact as the moron Kamala thinks it wasn't supporting Genocide that destroyed her shitty campaign but a failure to be harsher with her critiques. The israeli infection is far deeper than is thought. Oligarchs are building their bunkers for a reason.
It takes only 51% in Congreess to stop arms shipments to Israel and cripple their war efforts. The Sanders bill got the majority of Dems in the Senate to for it (all Repubs against). With a blue tsunami in 2026, the bill could pass if enough progressive Dems are elected. Some are cynical about this, but there is no other possible way to stop Israel.
Nor did any of us, but that's what we (and just about everyone) have got.
Right there with you, perfectly suited description of too many governments right now - glove puppets, and the worst is Drumpf.
Starmer is worse. He knows, with absolute certainty, that he'll lose the next election. He's the most unpopular PM in British history and has trashed the Labour party, probably forever. He is despised by both the Left and the Right. Yet he will not stop supporting Israel. It's the alter he will die on, just like Biden.
Obviously I despise Trump. But he cares most about himself, which could be an advantage in the end.
Yes, have to agree with you there. Of course Starmer's handler shares his bed and he seems to be spineless, so easily manipulated. And it's damn well disgusting that he fought to be elected only to serve another country, so why us he not being indicted and tried for treason?
It's weird that we are allowed to criticize every other state, but not the state of Israel. If we criticize the US, are we anti-Christian? Is criticism of Sudan anti Muslim? Criticism of the State of Israel has long before October 7th been called anti-semiitic without any more information given as to why. The poor little Israelites have suffered so much and now it is their turn to inflict suffering. That seems to be their twisted thinking. They need group therapy.
>>"They need group therapy."
I honestly feel they are BEYOND group therapy. I consider many in Israel to be irredeemable, just as many German Nazis were irredeemable (and remember that Israelis have been brainwashed and indoctrinated for MULTIPLE generations compared to the Nazis's short time of reign).
I'm afraid you could be right. I've wondered how we could "heal" such a sick and twisted society, but there's no real good answer. To de-program one cult member takes a lot of time and energy, but to de-program millions of Israelis? It might be more merciful just to build a wall around them and keep them from getting out and spreading their sociopathic illness.
The thing is that most of the world governments and many of the people governed have also supported Israel's genocide. Israel is sicker than most, but we are all sick and we have all had generations to be indoctrinated with capitalist, winner take all ideas. I don't know if any of us can be healed very quickly. It would take quite a few more generations to get to develop our real humanity. Even those of us who recognize that genocide is immoral and wrong and horrible and evil have been tainted by the world around us. I don't have any answers either. Therapy seems like a start, anyway. Climate catastrophes may solve the issue for all of us sooner than we want.
You are right. And we are heading downward, not upward. I don't believe we have 'several generations' left. Maybe a couple, at most, if we're lucky, the way things are going.
The Duopoly is building a wall on the boarder for a reason, it's not the few boarder crossings. It's when the water is gone. Track the canyon water levels and the fight within the u.s. over water. The Colorado river now only occasionally reaches Mexico. The wall is about climate change/destruction.
Having the Genociders return to the EU/u.s. would be the better option. Of course I would assume we would have to deal with their hate at home. With numbers thinned being shunned by thinking people may slowly change their minds. Maybe they needed 200 yrs. in the desert to turn into good hearted people? Saudi Arabia the perfect desert. I vote for that : )
They built their own wall...but they keep escaping.
Refuse them passports, absolutely!
Sorry to tell you my friend, I agree with you. I wish I could find a reason Apartheid israel can survive. A New Palestine representing all is the only way after Iran is done with them. I am not usually proven right until all the cards are played using the Genocide Don metaphor ha.
Cancel Israel.
There is no pro-Palestine chant that Zionists would not seek to silence.
I dont have to be pro palestine to be against crimes against humanity.
This is a point we don't hear about much, but I think if it, too. Every time a protester is arrested and dubbed a 'pro-Palestine' protester I think to myself, how do they know they're pro-Palestine? Perhaps they have no strong feelings one way or another about Palestine or Palestinians. Perhaps they just care about justice, morality and international law.
In conflicts like this everything is being weaponized.
Someone should automate an AI to spot weaponization, and then use the data to neutralize everything thats being weaponized. But then reality could look stranger then fiction
Moebius: thanks for not capitalizing names of nations.
The concern here is, and remains, humankind's inhumanity.
Exactly why I do demos etc.
It's true. Just like the bogus anti-semitism accusation, and the reporters being arrested for telling the truth about Israel's genocide in Gaza. To a certain class of people, it's considered rude to talk about this stuff. We're supposed to plug our ears, turn our heads and pretend it's not happening, or not so bad or something.
And the comparison to the abused spouse is right on.
Thank you, Caitlin and Tim, every word in this post is exactly correct and so important!
"The goal of the abuser is to preserve the status quo."
So true. And the ultimate, world-wide abuser is Zionist Israel. They will do anything, say anything and lie through their teeth to get away with genocide. That's why we can't let them get away with this abuse. We need to continue protesting, saying what we want to say (not censoring ourselves because of what THEY object to), and never giving in for a moment. Globalize the intifada--Power to the People!
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An incisive analysis, Caitlyn Johnstone, of how criticism of Jewish Supremacist crimes is shut down by the authorities and ruling classes of the Global North and Anglosphere by means of Tone Policing: by criticizing or dismissing Israel’s critics through focusing on their emotional delivery – be it anger or passion or vehemence or loudness – rather than focusing on the substance of their critics’ arguments, complaints, and their presentation of factual evidence of Israel’s limitless crimes.
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This is a traditional tactic employed by the ruling classes and authorities whenever they encounter the voices of marginalized groups calling out oppression. The party in the dominant position use this trick to continue to assert their dominance, and prioritize the comfort of their privileged position over the legitimate complaints of the marginalized and oppressed, thus effectively shutting off any attempt to appeal for actual justice for the victims of these ruling classes.
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I think it's more that the media is owned, too much of it in truth, by zionist jews who now put zionism before judaism, put piwerbefire service, which is what media should provide not discord and lies.
Fighting Zionism is fighting the worst monster that capitalism has ever spawned.
Okay, except it's not just "another face" but the worst one.
It has been said that those who choose security over freedom and rights deserve neither. I would say this a little differently: Those who would choose security over freedom and rights will get neither.
That's all we get now from all these great leaders of the free world, almost screaming it non-stop: "Security, security, security!" In the name of security, you must give up your first born! And so many men (and women) fall for it.
jamenta, when they say "security" we should ask security for whom? They are definitely not talking about " security for the people".
===> concerned about .....‘from the river to the sea’!? <===== pretty soon they will make "inversion of reality" an anti-semite slogan
38% of Occupied Palestine in Gaza has been further stolen and now no longer abutting Egypt
https://substack.com/@ahmadibsais/note/c-192539954?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1dyh0l
So true. Nevertheless, I'd still like to see signs of translated "Globalize the intifada," such as "Globalize the struggle to stop colonialism," or "Globalize the effort to end the occupation," "Globalize the resistance to genocide."The benefit is that when they do come after those signs, there's no place to hide behind 'foreign' words that they claim could mean anything. And some of them, in order to object, they would have to own the crime, by acknowledging it was referring to them.
They'd ban those too.
They don't WANT to stop colonialism, occupation, nor genocide. It's their entire raison d'etre
Yes, but forcing them to stop hiding behind anything other than the truth is powerful. That’s why they try so hard to cover up what they really are, and want.
Well said
Joy; it's subtle distinctions, but semantics does matter. We've never had to be more careful with language than in today's media-saturated world.
Racists will always stir up fear around foreign-language terms, and the most stupid citizenry will fall for it. Racism = 'take the easy way to power-accrual'.
The challenge is to come up with messaging that has real impact, that hits home as pointed, concise language.