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Paul Vonharnish's avatar

Quite appropriate and succinct. Thanks!

JennyStokes's avatar

Yes I agree 100%

Meanwhile we decimate History!

What has been bombed (apart from people)? The History of civilisation..........ISFAHAN in Iran have you seen the damage? If not take a look at what Demetri Lascaris found. Ancient glass (before Venice even existed) beautiful carved wooden pillars destroyed by shrapnel. How dare YOU do this!

There is nothing in the US to Bomb.........a civilization already destroyed.

ALL the ancient ruins in: Syria/Lebanon etcetera.

But if the Russians bombed the Amphitheatres in Europe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am bleeding every single day you 'carpet bomb' Iran. Just fucking STOP this.

People are replacable...........History is NOT.

I want the USA to be bombed.......there is nothing in your History worth saving.......you already killed your History.

The American Indians believed: What you take out of the earth, you replace.

What happens when OIL runs out........you morons in the Western world?

One Canadians Perspective's avatar

Trust me, it's not all of us. I am in Canada and am actively rooting for Iran to survive this illegal war! Trump is moving focus back to Greenland so soon it will be the US attacking the rest of NATO and who ever else wants to defend Greenland from Nazi America. As I am always monitoring myself not to place political blame on people, please try to do the same. Painting everyone in the western world as evil only reduces the support for Iran and will ultimately increase support for the US and Israel something you or I don't want!

PS read the room, most people have woken up to the realization that if we want a peaceful world, Israel must go!

As for Jenny Stokes, ugly is as ugly does and this woman is ugly and reported.

JennyStokes's avatar

OH.........Wonderful people the Canadians................all cowards.

The Revolution Continues's avatar

Stop now, Jenny. You're not making any friends with the insults. You can do better.

gypsy33's avatar

Jenny, their regime is no more enlightened than ours in AmeriKKKa! 👍👍👍

Davina's avatar

But the biggest problem in the US is it's bribe taking politicians - that money the take from zionist jews and call it donations - pure lies, bribes or payments for services rendered. Clean out 98% other current politicians and start over with a clean slate; no millionaires-the love money too much and will take a bribe thinking it's their right. Better watchdogs are needed to keep them honest, and straight.

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Canadian:

Reporting Jenny for WHAT? Calling out what the rest of the world sees?

Jenny knows full well that most of us are not on board with Mango Man. If it takes bombing AmeriKKKa to make this regime see the light, I’m ALL FOR IT. OUR LIVES ARE NOT THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT!

Certainly not as important as the oldest continuous civilization in history, pal. So just shut the fuck up.

Ron Stockton's avatar

It is in the nature of the genocidal mind. They must eliminate a people’s history as well as the people. Make it as if they were never here. Israel has demonstrated that nature since the beginning.

Davina's avatar

True then say"look what a lovely place we gave them, and look what they've done to it". Whe it was the beautiful place the Palestinians made, and the isrealis that turned into rubble. How can these israelis ear to wake up each morning knowing what they have done to a defenceless people because they've lived for centuries on land the israelis want?

Ron Stockton's avatar

Th Israeli's created the myth, "A land without a people for a people without a land." It is amazing how many people believe this of pre-Israel Palestine, despite historical evidence, including pictures and movies of Palestine as a thriving, educated, culture.

Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

People are not replaceable. Every person is unique.

JennyStokes's avatar

Of course they are replaceable.

How many wars have we seen............yet there are still people!

Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

Every human being is genetically unique and as such, irreplaceable.

JennyStokes's avatar

I have many comments........which I am quite capable of dealing with myself. Where have these comments gone?

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Israel is a Terrorist State that is past it's expiration date. Throw it away.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

And ensure it's not on the list of recyclable items

Veronica Baker's avatar

Definitely for the fire pit.

Ginnie's avatar

It is disappointing that Iran fell for this phony peace deal that lasted a grant total of 6 hours, if that, and which everyone warned them was not for real. Sometimes you get small windows of opportunity to make change happen and they failed.

I cannot believe we are living in a world where such a country even exists and can do whatever it wants without any serious repercussions WHATSOEVER. Not even so much as sanctions. They are terrorizing the world, just mass murdering people FOR NO REASON and engaging in the most horrific atrocities in plain sight and anyone who objects is called a terrorist and antisemite. 8 billion people held hostage by a nation of 10 million psychopaths. I have never seen or heard anything like it even from history books.

At least when shit like this happened 400 years ago, you could say humanity hadn't learned its lessons, they didn't know better, that the collective consciousness back then had not yet evolved and was based on a different framework and state of mind; but in the 21st century, we DO know better, we should have learned those lessons and yet, to still allow that to happen, is truly an indictment of humanity itself.

Nelly Takla-Wright's avatar

In all fairness to Iran, firstly they have morals; and secondly, they had to consider peace to save their own population. They did also have a very definitive & precise 10 point plan pre agreed via an external mediator

Nancy's avatar

Iran was faced with a very real threat of annihilation, made more so because it was issued by a mentally unstable person. Despite that, Iran gave up nothing: the strait remains closed to all but those it chooses to let pass, and it insists on the rest of its 10-point plan, including the cessation of attacks against Lebanon. I love these arm chair strategists, who seem to read little — including international experts like John Mearsheimer, who called this a win for Iran — but are nonetheless high on criticism.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Nelly, while agreeing totally with your comment, Iranians are also fighting an existential war, the important fact that escapes some people.

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Nelly Takla-Wright's avatar

That was Mossad - they’ve even admitted it

Davina's avatar

Mossad wasn't flying the helicopters that fired on their own people.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

3 strikes (fake ceasfires) and you are out. x x x

George McFetridge's avatar

iran would never dare challenge Business-Firstness, which is our world.

If there was not this ruling paradigm, tel aviv etc would have been completely leveled some time ago.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Novel history written before our eyes, Ginnie. Were Zinn still here, I think he'd accept your description "8 billion people held hostage by a nation of 10 million psychopaths".

I can only agree that it's surely an indictment of Homo. Good gods, the Biosphere indicts Homo for crimes against it; at least I do in its stead as a spokesperson biologist. That's the reality. We should be pointing the bloody finger in the appropriate direction: At ourselves.

BobbyMoses's avatar

When all this is over and if western civilization survives there will be a terrible reckoning for the cancerous traitors like you..

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One Canadians Perspective's avatar

Israel will continue attacking them just as they have done for nearly 80 years. Israel is the problem NOT the Arab nations.

Feral Finster's avatar

Since "Islam" (everyone knows that all Muslims everywhere are a hive mind) didn't "attack" Israel until Zionists moved in, your statement is like complaining that the Indians attacked peaceful settlers who just wanted to steal their land at gunpoint.

I suppose you blame a rape victim for fighting back.

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Feral Finster's avatar

When Palestine became Muslim, it was ruled by the Byzantines, not Jews. So now you are for a Byzantine Israel? Or is your argument just "might is right" and you aren't really interested in anything other than my team my tribe.

The Muslims left the native Christians alone. The Jewish population was all for the conquest, as they suffered at Christian hands, but the Muslims also left them alone.

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martin's avatar

don't you think the colonizers of your own in-group are 'better' (really)?

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Ginnie's avatar

I say you go fuck yourself, you fucking terrorist

JennyStokes's avatar

Eric Nelson........you should be shot at point blank range!

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JennyStokes's avatar

Of course. This is why US is so great!

Davina's avatar

That'sa it rich from you having shown yourself to be totally one-eyed and ot very bright.

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One Canadians Perspective's avatar

You are seriously blaming anyone but Israel and the Us for this illegal war? Zionist much?

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Francis/Clare's avatar

No Israel, no wars in the ME and no Muslim terrorist attacks.

Feral Finster's avatar

Like saying that the Holocaust would not have happened if the Nazis had killed all the Jews.

martin's avatar

those statements seem disputable. the seemingly cozy bandwagon of western supremacy only serves some rich dudes who will gladly throw the submissive ones off when they've served their purpose, imo.

One Canadians Perspective's avatar

You are all the proof I need that humans are assholes. Bubye now

Ps. I’m an atheist asshole! Go get stuffed idiot!

JennyStokes's avatar

I suppose you MUST be American!

Your knowledge of History is DEFUNCT.

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JennyStokes's avatar

You wouldn't know 'left' if you saw it in in USA. I lived there for 15-20yrs.

Capitalists all of you except a few.

martin's avatar

and quite often western 'intelligence'. plus i'd argue most wars are terrorist enterprises started by people wearing suits and ties.

SafePlace's avatar

Israhell is not just genocidal. It is suicidal at the same time. If they can’t get control of all they crave then nukes and Armageddon. And with the support of the idiot Christian Zionists, they have a path. And must be stopped.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I think they are just the ultimate evil and enjoy causing death, suffering and pain, it's the only answer that fits really. I doubt they're suicidal as they definitely can't take what they dish out, whinging and complaining like we're 😇 we wouldn't do that to anyone. I'm sure they are confident, that if things get too bad the West will rescue them for the zillionth time.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

There is no rescuing a rabid dog. If it is not destroyed the disease will affect everyone it bites. Time to put it down.

Sam's avatar

My analogy is different. I see the destruction of the Israeli government regime as a "national capital punishment" for war crimes too numerous to mention over the past eight decades. I believe much of the world's people would agree that the nation of Israel has committed so many war crimes that a capital punishment is appropriate.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Great answer, truth at its finest.

Paul Vonharnish's avatar

Want to understand jewish faith? Go to the wailing wall, and remember to face the wall so you can establish contact with a brick... Kinda like Yahweh - only dumber... https://www.facebook.com/groups/Normanfrankelestian/posts/33568898822757311/

Veronica Baker's avatar

I learnt more than I cared for about the wailing wall about four years ago, or rather what they are communing with there. The daft westerners that go and think that damn wall is Holy is beyond belief, it's part of the wall the Romans built, another con job like the Israeli's are.

Paul Vonharnish's avatar

Yup. The entire jewish belief is based on lying, obfuscation, obstruction, and fraud. I think that's why westerners go there for instruction...

ennui_mcgee's avatar

Judaism is also premised on racism.

Veronica Baker's avatar

They'll probably get a nasty condition they don't want if they do what the Israeli's do. 😆

Sam's avatar

Paul, your directness is surprising because I believe most here believe that Jews and Judaism have nothing to do with Israel.

Paul Vonharnish's avatar

Well... You're addressing a devote Atheist who concluded decades ago, that ALL religious belief is intellectually corrupt and primitive in the extreme. ALL religions obfuscate the realities of survival, and excuse social brutalities foisted upon non-practitioners.

When jews (Hebrews) claim to be a "chosen" people, it rather implies that all other civil populace are *not*. Fuck religions. Especially juwdaism.

Veronica Baker's avatar

They don't, not if they're Jews who don't believe in Israel and don't read the Talmud. The trouble is, a lot of people can't separate them, I can.

Nancy's avatar

My first laugh of the day.

Janice's avatar

Melania Trump, Ivanka Trump and Sara Netanyahu are also accountable for all this evil. And if trump starts this war of aggression again then he can send Barron for basic and into the “war”. They just raised the military service age to 42 so one of Trumps other sons Eric can go to the front lines as well. Too bad Kushner is 45. He loves war as well as Trump. And the wives.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I agree about those you mentioned being accountable, it's why I often put Trump and Co, covers all of them including Hegseth and so many other's. Better send Kushner here, England were talking about 45 or 46 limit, I'd have to check if they brought it in yet but they're talking about alterations to the military here at the moment so it could be happening.

Janice's avatar

The army already showed up at my grandsons high school in Utah complete with “ hats” to look big and happy. The evil bastards. The people must either remove the regime in DC - all of them - or circle the wagons. This cannot be allowed to continue. The soap box and the ballot box hasn’t and won’t change this. So there is only the ammo box left. This is self defence as it was in convid and all the other centuries we have endured all the Rothschilds and co hatred and contempt. And evil. We must protect the children and our families and all the other families of the earth. Netanyahu, not content with slaughtering little Hind and her family and the little girls and boys at Minab elementary school who ran to the prayer room to try to escape after the first strike and there they were struck again by the same bastard from the same US ship ( oh so brave and it will no doubt add to his chest full of war paint..the US military get these ribbons even if they weren’t anywhere near the “ battlefield “ only have to be in the military at the same time...) and now Beirut and all the little ones there... why is Netanyahu still doing whatever he wants? All trump has to do is turn off the tax payers cash...but too busy manipulating the stock market. And lying to the people.

George McFetridge's avatar

zionism is the ugliest possible suicide act.

Hassan Al-Mosawi's avatar

Well done for publishing and saying - Peace be upon you by Gaza and Jerusalem - Honour and victory are the allies of the axis of resistance and its allies, and humiliation and shame are for the axis of evil, Epstein Class (USA, Britain, France, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, NATO Governments, Zionist and Israel) and its allies.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Hey Hassan, can we double or even triple the humiliation and shame on those you mentioned?

jamenta's avatar

"I’ve seen a lot of people trying to argue that Trump’s depravity in Iran proves everyone should support Democrats, but it’s clear the Democratic Party is just the more polite-looking face on the same evil power structure."

Realized recently this is a big trigger button that puts me into spittling rage mode. Like how some Bernie Sanders delegates must have felt when during the 2016 Democratic convention, lights were turned off on them by Hilly & friends when they chanted "No More War". Or when some Liberal Democrat comes along and spouts off how much better we would have all been, if we had voted for Kamala Harris. Like, it never seems to occur to these damn fools that we ended up with Trump precisely because the Democratic party is so corrupt and corporate.

Republicans are afraid of their Right-Wing base. Democrats abuse and smear their Left-Wing base.

AnF's avatar

Much like how people saw Al Gore win the election but have the conveniently retiring and paid off Supreme Court decide that recounts don't happen when their preferred candidates might actually lose.

This country has never been a democratic one, it's always been an oligarchy with a PR team.

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Pathocracy is more precise. Oligarchs might not necessarily be psychopaths, while what we have is nothing but.

AnF's avatar

This is how the USA has acted since before it was officially the USA. This is how all capitalist empires have acted.

Just Sayn's avatar

Strictly speaking what we have is a combination of Corporations and government,that is the definition of Fascism according to Mussolini.

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Thank you. That describes me in 2016. I ended up voting for Jill Stein and would probably still be pilloried for it by party faithfuls. The wisdom of my decision has been confirmed since, as Clinton has been revealed as truly evil. I read at the time that the Clintons had become millionaires more than 200 X over since Bill left the presidency. How does that even happen? Some of it happened through the Clinton Foundation, which I’m guessing was mostly a money-laundering operation. I voted “uncommitted” in 2024 in solidarity with pro-Palestinians. I’m sure the “vote blue no matter who” crowd would blame me and others for Trump’s reelection, but as far as I’m concerned, they own it. They were willing to sacrifice the entire people of Palestine to vote for the “lesser evil.” They’re pretty good at failing to connect the dots between support for genocide and Trump because they don’t see anything that doesn’t directly affect them. I don’t know any Republicans, but some of these privileged Democrats are the most selfish and entitled people I’ve ever met. I read an article in yesterday’s NYT about the so-called ceasefire agreement and had to stop reading the comments. The readership is mostly establishment Democrats. The majority of comments were about how evil Iran is and how important it is to prevent it from getting nuclear capability since it’s the most dangerous country in the ME, if not the world, and is a threat to its neighbors. The last comment I read said Iran would use a nuclear bomb against its neighbors if it got one. Iran would use nuclear capability, assuming it could or wanted to develop it, as a deterrent. It’s not stupid or suicidal, as the comment suggests. And no one talked about the overwhelming evidence that Israel, which has actually killed hundreds of thousands of people in the region, as well as stolen their land, is the real threat. After reading those comments I was reminded how hard our task is of pulling the U.S. back from the abyss, and that assumes it’s not too late.

Just Sayn's avatar

Both are the 2 sides of the same evil regime. They use division to convince people you only have 2 choices. When in fact there is another choice that is the complete removal of the central government as it has grossly stepped out of bounds. The 10th amendment leaves the States and We the people with the power to decide and to change regimes. The (corporatism) fascism is ingrained into the entire US regime. It can not be fixed only purged.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Be warned, more parties are not the answer, you have two sides of the same coin, here we have to use a cube, still all the same if they get in, or they wouldn't be allowed to win if they weren't.

jamenta's avatar

Yeah - I don't see an electoral way out of this abyss of corruption. Even if you have a few of those politicians who speak up "For the People" - the legalized bribery in Washington, and the power of the lobbies (16 lobbyists for every politician) will drown out the few voices who dare to actually represent ordinary Americans - which is suppose to be their actual job.

Maybe Unions? Maybe another Occupy Movement? It's going to have be some ground swell of ordinary Americans who have finally become fed up with the endless pit of monied corruption in DC.

Veronica Baker's avatar

They, meaning those who hold the real power always pick who wins, they've already sold old by the time they get to winning. Doesn't matter who it is, what party, nothing.

Personally I wish all Western governments into hell, only place for them once they've sold their soul.

Why not how the Natives used to do it? They didn't originally have Chiefs but the occupiers demanded to speak to their leader. They couldn't accept the Native way of doing things, if it was to do with say hunting, the best man at the job led them on the hunt. Same goes for every thing going on, they didn't see it as having several leaders, just choosing the best one for the job at that time, someone else could rise up in whatever it was and become even better and take over the role. So smaller communities but no one who could control everyone.

Nancy's avatar

Interesting. Thanks for that perspective. In the U.S., our challenge is to get money — especially “big” money, e.g, from billionaires and corporations— out of politics. But that’s nearly impossible because of some very bad decisions handed down by our Supreme Court that equate money with speech, giving bribery protection under our First Amendment.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I get what you mean but it still leaves the same problem of those who really control the government,it doesn't make the government innocent because they decided to sell out, themselves first and the people can suffer.

Here it is the City of London or the square mile if that's what you know it as, to really bring it back to basics, the Rothschild's. Just another bundle of Ashkenazi Jews or fake Jews like those in Israel,the same family who wanted Israel in Palestine and got it for them. They have a board of thirteen who control the government, one member sits in parliament making sure things are being done as told. Now you know more than the majority of English people, aren't you lucky.

Mind you, as you most likely know, they also have their tentacles deep in the USA as well. Sorry about that.

Nancy's avatar

Yes, but one big reason they do is because of money. Thanks for the info about London. I didn’t know that, but I’m not surprised. I do know a lot about the deep tentacles in the U.S., but I’m sure there’s more to learn. I’m just starting to find out about the connections between our Silicon Valley (tech world) and Israel.

Very scary stuff.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Scary world out there in the West, personally I think we should call it the Bigger Wild West.

Landru's avatar

Thank you expressing my thoughts as well. I have a hard time dealing with intended dysfunction.

Feral Finster's avatar

Israel needs constant conflict, as without conflict, Israel's case for existence ("the only place Jews are safe!").disappears, all Israeli demands for double standards and special pleading look like the outrageous hypocrisy they are.

Tom High's avatar

Empire simp sycophant ‘journalist’ gotcha question: Do you believe Israel has the right to exist?

The only sane, rational, logical response, based on two generations of history:

Nope.

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The more pertinent question is whether Palestine and Palestinians have a right to exist. Israel doesn’t think they do. And most of the world, through its support of genocide, explicit or implicit due to its silence, seems to agree.

I recently researched what Israel’s current borders are supposed to be and discovered that that question hasn’t been answered, I guess so it can continue to expand them without restraint, with the help of the U.S. and the complicity of Europe.

Landru's avatar

I struggled with that question until seeing row after row of children shot in the head with 50 cal. Now I pull out the photo and one word, NOPE

Veronica Baker's avatar

True. When I saw heading to this today, I automatically swapped it to The Jews Can Have The World or Peace, But Not Both.

ennui_mcgee's avatar

Let the world collapse because of the economic fires Israel is setting and soon the people will be wondering "The world can have Jews or peace." I don't think the typical soft-hearted liberal who chants "not all Jews are Zionists" has an appreciation for how much irrational carnage angry starving human beings might be capable of, especially ones that didn't start with a culture that instilled in them the value of being civilized both in good times and in bad.

gypsy33's avatar

Feral, a shipment of Greenies is on its way to you.

Just Sayn's avatar

This will explain Israel better than anything I have ever seen. https://youtu.be/BamQ6ujDxJQ?si=Pd4og1U3g-3Nj0OL

Christopher Rixman's avatar

Democrats criticizing Trump for “losing Hormuz” instead of opposing the war tells you the constraint isn’t Trump—it’s the policy consensus.

Different tone, same objective.

Which means swapping parties doesn’t change the outcome—it just changes the messaging around it.

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

It’s not called a Uniparty for nothing.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Schmuck Chewmer. Nah, Don't trust that mofo to say or do anything that would disable the tiny hats. Zionazi through and through. Demonrats? Flububricans? All the same American political class merda. They all need to go into the fires of Hades -- together with Israel.

Landru's avatar

Funny listening to him stammering over getting the words out fast enough about the murder of Iranians wasn't planned well enough was him to the core. Thank you.

Feral Finster's avatar

"The actual, official 2024 Democratic Party platform accused Trump of “fecklessness and weakness” for failing to go to war with Iran during his first term. Kamala Harris labeled Iran the #1 enemy of the United States. In their 2024 debate, Harris repeatedly slammed Trump for being too soft on America’s enemies and announced that she “will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel.”

Go on, Dale, tell us that's just a headfake. After all, you assured us that Harris is one of the most liberal senators from an impeccably liberal state.

TomR's avatar

I observed that Gavin Gruesome - the 'designated hitter' for 2028 first came out with criticism of Israel, then walked it back with the old 'Israel has a right to exist' lie.

Anyone thinking the Democrats as a party are going to change direction is going to be disappointed. But maybe they'll write TG rights into the 2028 platform statement....JFC.

jamenta's avatar

Funny seeing your response to Dale and not seeing his comment, as I've blocked the guy. Probably because my nervous system can't handle him defending liberal democrats - I go ballistic and enter orbit. I guess you gotta know your limits.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I can't see his comment and I didn't block him, I just ignore him.

jamenta's avatar

Yeah, wish I could do that. But currently, incapable of such a feat.

Veronica Baker's avatar

The secret is don't respond no matter how you feel you need to challenge him, sometimes I read one but I ignore the rest, he's not worth wasting energy on, I think that's what he aims to do, wind people up.

Landru's avatar

I do understand him. Hope is all Democrats have. They pretend they are not part of the evil we do. : (

Veronica Baker's avatar

So he's just another ignorant person pretending to be a clever man then.

Landru's avatar

Of course I love you.

Feral Finster's avatar

I kind of enjoy teeing off on him.

I maybe should feel bad for treating him like he was a mouse between my paws or something,but since he's such a dishonest little twerp, I don't.

Landru's avatar

Ha, you should block me too.

jamenta's avatar

I've tried to get out of the habit. So I guess you're in luck.

Nancy's avatar

A couple of my comments weren’t posted. In them I slightly disagreed with Caitlin’s conclusions. I usually agree with her completely, as I did regarding this one. Most of my comments are reasonably civil because I usually don’t respond to posters I disagree with, so I don’t think incivility was the reason they didn’t get posted, not that I think Caitlin cares much about that. I had bad experiences with the NYT not posting some of my comments, mostly about Israel, some about Obama and certain Democrats, whom it seems to want to protect. I almost canceled for that reason, but more because of its biased reporting on Israel, which I tried to take on. My point here is that I hope Caitlin doesn’t censor because of content. We can’t all be expected to agree with her 100% of the time. Anyone who expects that has got authoritarian issues of his or her own. Some of these internet authoritarians, e.g., Paul Street, actually think they’re on the left. He canceled me as I canceled him.

Landru's avatar

Nope, if an error was made, please assume it was yours. Caitlin allows for disagreement even when I would block people with a clear agenda of lies.

So........ try again.

Patrick Powers's avatar

But you don't understand. Liberalism means imperialism, world domination through military force, cuts in social spending, and reduced regulation of business. Don't you watch MS NOW?

Veronica Baker's avatar

No. Not for decades now. 😁

Feral Finster's avatar

AFAICT, "liberalism" mostly means "a most unseemly obsession with pronouns".

Landru's avatar

Actually it's a Univ. of Chicago term. Finance brings equality : (

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Feral Finster's avatar

You assert facts not in evidence. Unless the United States has made war on Saudi Arabia (sponsors of 9/11, al Qaeda and ISIS) and didn't tell anyone.

Oh wait, they're Trump's buddies. Trump even danced with their servants around that stupid glowing globe thing.

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Feral Finster's avatar

No, you stated opinions without evidence. Although it is funny that you claim "Everyone knew" Islam was the problem 25 years ago, when Dubya called it "a religion of peace". For that matter, you ignore the fact that America's friends were responsible for 9/11, al Qaeda and ISIS. Trump doesn't have a problem with that, hell, he even invited the head of al Qaeda in Syria to the White House.

And no, nobody forced poor widdle Trump to wage aggressive war on Iran, unless you count the Epstein Files.

"Take out the trash" - regular subhumans, eh?

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Feral Finster's avatar

I have no idea what you are on, it's a confused and confusing word salad, one which contradicts your earlier statements about how "everyone knew" (well, now you say they didn't). Of course, there were no Muslims in Iran before 1979. So why would Iranians be upset when the Americans propped up a corrupt, brutal and incompetent tyrant? Hell, the Shah even claimed to have visions from the Caliph Ali.

Anyway, since we now are no longer "trusting Islam" (whatever that means), I am waiting for Trump to attack Saudi Arabia, since that was the source of the 9/11 hijackers and their financing. Instead, he's their poodle.

I am using your own words "take out the trash". Might as well say "subhumans" and be done with it.

Landru's avatar

I have a few history books for you. Reading can cure ignorance.

musicbob's avatar

The entire concept of labelling a physical/geographical piece of land on this planet as some type of a nation/country that is based entirely upon the concept of religion (any religion, btw) should be completely embarrassing, at this point in human history, to our entire collective species. It is just so fucking silly and stupid that just the thought of it should make all of us cringe.

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I don't see the issue as binary, i.e. Religion vs. Secularism. There are other interests involved that have kept Israel afloat for decades now. Those interests have made a lot of money off of the perpetual wars in the Middle East, such as the US MIC.

Israel would not exist without the US Military Industrial Complex. I view the problem as more psychological, the value of making money (corporate profits) over the value of human life, wherever someone might be born or live.

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""view the problem as more psychological, the value of making money (corporate profits) over the value of human life, wherever someone might be born or live""

Absolutely for sure! Totally agree.

My comment wasn't attempting to make the issue binary. I was just making "a" (one) point about the very idea of a "religious" state at this point in time... it just doesn't fit in at all with where our species is at, with advancements in technology, science, (perhaps) awareness, etc. It's really time for us, our species, to move on, way past this kind of backwards, UN-progressive thinking. That was really the point of my comment.

Just Sayn's avatar

Please watch this YouTube. About the history of the IDF. It is Factual and very well done. https://youtu.be/BamQ6ujDxJQ?si=Pd4og1U3g-3Nj0OL

Just Sayn's avatar

Ideologies such as Zionism ,And the propaganda surrounding Governments is little different. Frederick Bastiat-"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, they create for themselves a legal system that Authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." PLATO-" All societies we know are governed by the selfish interests of the ruling classes". " The price good people pay for their indifference to public affairs, is to be ruled by Evil men". " This,and No other is the root from which A tyrant springs; First he comes as a protector".

SaHiB's avatar

Israel didn't "sabotage" Trump; he armed and abetted them!

gypsy33's avatar

No, Caitlin. If the guy doing a job for me got into ONE fight with his coworkers, I’d give him two minutes to get the fuck off my property, at gunpoint or by any other means.

Gettin a little soft, aren’t we? You need to take lessons from Scott Ritter. But then, you’ve continually spoken out against “anti-semitism” when if you look at the Epstein List, just who the fuck is on it? It ain’t Jehovah’s Witnesses.

By the way, stop using that term. It’s Anti-Jew. ***I*** am a Semite; THEY are not. Get your shit straight.

If the jews want their own homeland I highly recommend Antarctica. They have no place among the decent human beings of the earth, though they might commit genocide against penguins.

Don’t like this post? Don’t give a fuck 😁

Vin LoPresti's avatar

I would definitely be concerned about the penguins, gyp.

gypsy33's avatar

Vin: we would definitely make sure the penguins are well-armed 😉

Nick Douglas's avatar

Penguins will object Antarctica. And Penguins have right to exist and defend themselves. Launch israeli scum to the Sun. It is nice and warm there.

gypsy33's avatar

Nick, I like it!

ennui_mcgee's avatar

I tell ppl every chance I get that antisemitism is an invention of the European mind to label other Europeans. It is not, as Israelis and many other Westerners claim, an Arab or Muslim idea.

Janice's avatar

German actually.

Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

Fuck no, keep the Zionists in the Northern Hemisphere.

I suggest Novaya Zemlya. It is radioactive and maybe in a few generations they will mutate into decent human beings. If not, there are plenty of polar bears there.

Nick Douglas's avatar

Why do you hate polar bears :) ? Polar bears have right to exist. Eating spoiled toxic excrement is bad for the health of polar bears - lovely beautiful animals.

Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

Oh c'mon Nick, don't tell me polar bears would not enjoy keeping the Zionists in line.

gypsy33's avatar

Rosalind, I’m not familiar with that place but it SOUNDS GOOD!

Or that Chernobyl site maybe? 😁

Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

Novaya Zemlya is in the Barents Sea. The USSR used it for many nuclear tests so it has high levels of ionising radiation now.

Zelenskyy said he wanted to make Ukraine like Israel, so Chernobyl is an option too.

Just Sayn's avatar

They should be sent to antártica as we would never want them to be able to colonize space. With out any modern technology of any kind. No visitors and no imports of goods. Kind of like the way they have done Palestine for 80 years

Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

Please not Antarctica. What did penguins ever do to you?

Just Sayn's avatar

I have asked the same Question of what did Palestinians, Arabs, and other true semites do to deserve Zionist Terrorism? Certainly don't want them in space unless it's on mercury Venus or the sun. They deserve a hot place.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I see they are trying to walk back nearly all of the agreements that Trump initially said were "great". Guess he and his wealthy friends have made a lot more money as the stocks did their usual thing and keeping up the pretence no longer matters.

Doesn't anyone in Trump's little lot have an iota of self respect left, don't they realize that countries all around the world, not including the West as most are the same, are witnessing them breaking agreements left, right and centre, and those countries will never fully trust the USA again no matter how much they clean up their act, be they Republicans or Democrats.

TomR's avatar
Apr 9Edited

It seems clear the US political establishment is not going to change course - too bribed or blackmailed, and morally depraved. The "American people" are too busy or distracted (with some legitimate reasons including a crushing economy) to demand change - at least until much later when it will be too late.

That leaves the rest of the world to bring the madness to an end. War won't be an answer - there is no doubt the U.S. and its mad dog would both go to nuclear weapons. Perhaps the people of the planet (not the governments mostly run by corrupt individuals) must demand a global BDS on the U.S. Buy nothing from, and sell nothing to, the U.S.

Here's an easy one. The World Cup is this summer. Keep your teams home, and don't come to watch any of the matches.

ennui_mcgee's avatar

I think the current economic system in the US will collapse in on itself long before any corporate body in sports or otherwise takes a stand for justice with their dollars. In any event, such stands have happened in the past and have been largely symbolic. For the change you're talking about, I think economic meltdown is the best bet to success.

TomR's avatar

I do see that as the likely avenue - but sometimes, I just want to be hopeful.

ennui_mcgee's avatar

I understand. There are silver linings to this teetering on the precipice. It might invigorate serious investment in non-carbon based fuel sources. And if the world does collapse, people will have little choice but to switch. Also, the world is geostrategically being reconfigured away from American hegemony, which is a step toward stability in my view. In America, a collapse opens the opportunity for serious reforms that could outlaw lobbying, foreign involvement in the Government, and other positive changes. But as they say, it probably will get a lot worse before ot gets better.

Veronica Baker's avatar

It would be nice if football teams made that stand, maybe start their own world cup that keeps out certain countries because of war crimes committed. That's definitely Israel and USA at the moment for sure.

Nick Douglas's avatar

Boycott upcoming FIFA world cup. Wish few national teams cancel participation.

Veronica Baker's avatar

As I can't see our wish happening, the next best thing is thousands of people don't attend the matches.

The Revolution Continues's avatar

It's getting expensive to travel about the US and food prices are rising... Why would anyone want to take a trip to see a football match in the US? Save your money!!

Veronica Baker's avatar

There's that of course, prices aren't much better here, I look at some things and have to take another look to make sure I read it right. Anyone who can afford to chase around after a football team isn't going to be the usual football fans.

AnF's avatar

Considering the number of travel advisories for people wanting/needing to come here, to the point of some countries and companies telling folks *not* to bring their personal electronic devices, I can't imagine attendance will be higher than the previous world cup.

Veronica Baker's avatar

That's a big put off for anyone if they have any sense. I knew if you took your mobile or any other electronics device you had to provide either 3 or 5 year history of what you had posted if on social media. I think that's why travel advice says don't take them.

David's avatar
Apr 9Edited

It's past time to recognize that the Democratic Party is just the smiling face of the same killing machine that the Republicans belong to. The US has no effective opposition to forestall these wanton wars of conquest and control. It is ruled by a militaristic oligarchy ready to quash any opposition to its murderous system of predatory capitalism which it plans to impose on the world for the benefit of the one percent.

Lesley Lababidi's avatar

It feels like they really are the 'chosen people', no one stops them, no country (except Iran who has been attacked first by Israel and US) stands up to stop them, mainstream media is silenced, corporations are in their hands, worldwide surveillance is in their control. Shame , Shame, Shame.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Chosen by the devil for sure.