As Lee Fang emphasized on a Greenwald segment, the Oscar-winning “No Other Land” was blatantly lied about by the Times in a claim that topical documentaries often have difficulty obtaining US distribution. This is of course bullshit, the truth being that it’s really anti-Zionist documentaries that have that problem. For example, even Laura Poitras’ “Citizen Four” about Snowden, which enraged the deep state, was widely distributed in 2014, while Al Jazeera’s “The Lobby” was censored in 2017, although it’s again available online (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGHKb8i9vTzCgnbENCKuz7fqU12xNBce).
Any documentary, any award -- any speech -- can be canceled if it tickles the displeasure of some gigantic gaping asshole Zionist billionaire.
Please don’t try to tell me that these Zionists aren’t the most pathological pieces of merda on the planet — as they commit a fresh rash of war crimes.
Dan Cohen on X had some pretty harsh criticism of the film. I haven’t seen it but Cohen was saying it was playing to liberal Zionists and completely ignored the atrocities in Gaza. He pointed out the Israeli used the speech time to also, once again, bring up 10/7 even though the film was about the West Bank.
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Welcom Vin! I believe such information sharing is necessary (and crucial) for making the world more informed and better (and to dismantle false narratives that are so prevalent in our society and cultures).
Granted, that to win an Oscar, fundamentally Hollywood bullshit, it's likely not going to be the most cutting-edge treatment of Palestinian issues.
More importantly, if it is indeed a tad milquetoast on the issues, it strengthens the point that, to world Zionism, even a tangential approach to Israeli-Palestinian politesse must be suppressed, not be widely viewed. And respect for Dan, but like you, I haven't seen it (as I once did Citizen Four way back when). Why not? Obviously!
Now that it's "Oscared", the distributors will of course gradually succumb to the song of profit, always an eventuality in this mad economic system. I know of no theater within 200 miles of me that will as yet touch it, although there's a tiny one 60 miles away that I suspect will screen it at some point.
You were fortunate to hear from Poitras in person.
My experience - I don't know whether they believe anything (both Americans and Europeans), but they act like they do. And since actions speak louder than words I treat them accordingly.
Well as you rightly say, actions speak louder than words and without knowing what people believe that is the only source of information. Although people often act while believing the opposite or believing nothing.
I think it’s the governments that are in the thrall of youknowwhos. That’s why the collective power of people is a must right now, to make change happen!!
Hard to tell, isn't it? Google sends me to the Jewish News Syndicate. They tell me that a Harvard poll says 77% of USA citizens support Israel. An Echelon Insights poll says 43%. I don't trust anything in mainstream media and independent media can't afford a poll.
Pertinent comment, Patrick. And furthermore, what do they define as "support Israel"?
Support its right to exist?; its homicidal (genocidal to our minds) actions in Gaza?; its settler appropriation of chunks of the West Bank?; its biblically based assertion of land rights? So many ways to twist the question.
Of course, you're right, but I fear there are enough demi-brains in that poll who would nonetheless support that assertion, knee-jerking in propagandized ovine mode (Baaah).
The search engines are set up to access Ziojewish propaganda. I read the other day 66% of young American Jews support not just the Palestinian Resistance but Hamas, which means young Americans in general doing the same is likely to be extremely high.
Polls are dodgy at the best of times. Who asks the question, who pays for the questions to be asked, who does the questioning, who is questioned, what are the questions?
Well, I’ve had enough of the utter evil, immoral Trump, Israel, Zionism, Willful Genocide, trashing the US Constitution. Did Trump sell out America? It appears so! My First Amendment Rights are speaking!
Do you think the utter evil, immoral Harris and the Demonrats would have done any differently? Are they out on the streets screaming and demonstrating against this?
:Crickets:.
It was under Biden when the goon squads went in to crack student noggins, and to fire Uni deans who refused to prevent anti-Z speech.
Where did I say you did say that? Merely pointing out that the other option in the 2 party dictatorship would behave similarly.
I don't recall seeing Harris and the leading Demonrats out on the streets regarding Gaza - as they are regarding the closing of USAID, the regime-change govt dept.
They seem to be tuning up the authoritarian State. Either you agree to what we say and do, or you are expelled or imprisoned.
If they can coerce and enforce full solidarity behind a genocide that is being documented in real time, what's coming next?
Israelis are now fully propagandized to believe that they are right to kill women, children and destroy everything to obliterate the Palestinians. They also firmly believe with religious conviction that they deserve to expand and increase Israel.
Europe has been coerced into a position of supporting war in Ukraine, which is now considered by more than a few as existential, as the media and politicians have successfully implanted the idea that Russia will not stop at the border of Ukraine, but will continue to sweep across Europe unless stopped.
Australia seems to have gone hysterical over a couple of Chinese naval vessels in international waters. Today I read that the vessels have moved "a little closer" to Australua. This is reminiscent of the weather balloons over the US. Not so subtly planting ideas that the whites are surrounded by enemies.
Are these steps towards militarizing the entire white population to be in a permanent war against the global south?
Has there ever been a country in which you could speak out against your own government but not a foreign one? This country is frankly laughable at this point. The Onion couldn't have come up with anything funnier!
If I was an American university student right now, I'd be looking into other universities in other countries. Some of them are free to attend, but that's beside the point.
What's next? It's hard to imagine more of an attack on the right to free speech.
And it's but a short step back to a latter-day House UnAmerican Activity Committee. This is getting serious. And Australia should get the hell out of ANYTHING to do with Uncle Sam before its insidious effects fuck this country too.
It's not so much that is too late Judy, as the fact that we need a Govt. with a few vertebrae. The testicles are optional ( although there does seem to be a dearth of them in the Labor Party ) but I thought Julia Gillard led a good Govt. The first, only and also last, serious action on the Climate crisis.
I also think Anna Bligh and Palaszczuk did a good job in Qld looking after Queenslanders after cyclones, floods and skyrocketing electricity bills.
But as far as I can see neither major party will stand for Australia or Australians.
"Making America healthy means building communities of trust and mutual respect, based on speech freedom and open debate.”
Uh, yeah, right. RFK Jr. is clueless when it comes to 1) public health topics and 2) freedom of speech. He sure makes his late father look good by comparison.
For all those who kept defending RFK Jr.'s zy0nist rants on the campaign trail should just give up now and admit it: You're pathetic anti-free speech supporters and genocide-enablers.
RFK Jr didn’t mention Israel other than to say how they were experimenting on their public. It wasn’t until Pasta’s admiration of the Debbie Washerman strategy did the campaign shift to “Zionist rants”. Rants that included saying we shouldn’t fund Israel because it’s not fair to Americans. But everyone with a podcast popped out of the woodwork stating how they too “must debate him” on the topic he never mentioned before. This was exacerbated by all the branch covidiots and people who were late on COVID, they already hated him and were ecstatic to have a topic to tear him down with. This just led to people leaving his side that could have helped press against the universally acknowledged gigantic pressure campaign that everyone but Thomas Massey has folded to. One of the only humans to avoid virtue signaling to Pfizer at a time when it mattered, was virtue signaling to Israel when it didn’t matter, and so most people good on the issue pouted and bailed. Now they hang on his every word to prove to themselves they made the right decision, they didn’t.
Just as a side note I thought it extremely dishonest for no one to ever mention how RFK Jr was a teenager and watched as his father was assassinated, a Palestinian activist firing a gun at him tackled and arrested for the crime. Many of the same people would correctly identify how dangerous that kind of trauma can be from the other direction. In comments people actually think it’s an excuse to cite how, as an old man, he formed the opinion Sirhansirhan was innocent and began championing for his freedom, against the wishes of his family and all the other people in power yet the excuse is shite, only serving as another example that goes against the charges of “Zionist” as that’s not how trauma works. He very well might have been a closeted Zionist since youth because of how things unfolded with his dad but because no one calling attention to Zionism seem interested in entertaining ideas they fear might lead to anti-Zionism-hesitancy, they just ignore it.
One of the few presidents I actually have respect for, Richard Nixon, did the correct thing twice: (1) ending the Vietnam war and (2) having the integrity to resign when he got caught with Watergate.
No president in my lifetime, Reagan and since, has a tiny fraction of integrity Nixon had.
There’s not much of a high-bar to jump to be “up” in the presidential integrity department since Kennedy. But you’ll need to find a skosh or two for Nixon somewhere else. He sabotaged Johnson’s lame duck diplomacy, and then as President expanded the war in Southeast Asia.
Nixon resigned because the party leaders told him to—or face impeachment.
I just joined truth social and told Trump what I thought of his remark. Then I looked around a bit and commented here and there. There was a post saying Trump deserves the Nobel Peace prize! I commented that that was almost as funny as Obama winning it! Best laugh I have had in a long time. Can you imagine?
Too early to be categorical. Bizarrely he and Putin seem to be the only ones talking peace. His track record hardly is promising however. Badmouthing the UN, dumping the Paris Accord, defunding the WHO. This could be a broken clock situation.
“Anti-Semitism — like racism — is a spiritual and moral malady that sickens societies and kills people with lethalities comparable to history’s most deadly plagues,” said Kennedy. Replace Anti Semitism with Zionism and you have a truthful statement.
“Agitators will be imprisoned/or permanently sent back to the country from which they came."
A little humour. I first read this as Alligators will be........
And I concur. Mine was a ‘tongue in cheek’ remark. That said, I would depict the campaign against Gaza with terms such as ‘barbarity’ and ‘degradation’ and genocidal criminality.’
Hypocrisy and outright, blatant treason come to mind. Sigh.... I guess all I personally can wait for is right-minded Jewish/non-Zionist Jewish students to rise up in alarm and revulsion and push back to the max on this issue. Will they have the traditional Jewish ethics of justice and morality to do so? I'm waiting....
And of course this all comes down to money and greed and influence and power: billionaires, university funders, influence-buying...it's the Benjamins....
I've been thinking that Jewish anti-zionism is an efficient way of countering the narrative. And to some extent it is. But I'm getting less optimistic, not because of these Jews (they are a large and growing group) but because the totalitarian narrative seems immune to logic.
"You are antisemites!"
"But we are Jews"
"You are antisemites!"
It doesn't mean jew hater anymore, it means threat to the system.
"self-hating Jews" ... there are passionate Jewish luminaries who get smeared with this epithet. A few I'd put in the category are Max Blumenthal, Prof. Norman Finkelstein, Prof. Ilan Pappe...isn't the wonderful Naomi Klein Jewish and surely belonging...also Harvard Prof. Sara Roy, for whom I have particular respect but haven't heard from for a few years? ... (and Dr. Jill Stein!)
The thing is there are so many... I come across new names all the time that I hadn't heard of. Of course some are newly awakened and right now there is massive awakening happening, which is good. But Jewish anti-zionists have always been around. Before ww2 they were an overwhelming majority, that found it a preposterous idea to move en masse to the Middle East. Some for religious reasons, some because they felt fine were they were, and some already at that point understood that the land wasn't empty. After the Holocaust the Zionist leaders had a lot of them convinced that this was their only safe place. And you know what else they did - they went after all the remaining, persisting anti-zionist Jews. Look up Alfred Lilienthal, Elmer Berger, Moshe Machover. These are Jews that worked closely with with the Palestinian resistance in the 50's and 60's. But their legacy is covered up because it doesn't add up with the jew = zionist concept that is such a valuable asset for Israel. Which is why they've done everything from extortion to brainwashing to make it a reality.
Nowadays anti-zionist jews may still be a minority of Jews but that's not why they're not visible enough, at least that's not the only reason. Their existence is a threat to the prevailing logic.
But like I wrote before, I'm afraid that even if they would become a majority it wouldn't have an impact on the discourse, which seems immune to reason. Anti-semite is gradually shifting meaning. More and more often, Jews get the label themselves. That says a whole lot. A non-jew telling a jew they're antisemite.
I'm afraid logic and reason are no efficient weapons against these forces.
>>"Anti-semite is gradually shifting meaning. More and more often, Jews get the label themselves. That says a whole lot. A non-jew telling a jew they're antisemite. I'm afraid logic and reason are no efficient weapons against these forces."
Completely agree with you Martin! Unfortunately, the world doesn't seem to work enough on 'logic and reason', but more on 'fear and power'. This needs to change. But how?
What is probably the most disturbing "feature" of the Zionist Genocide against the Palestinians is that the majority of Jews around the world continue to loudly support "Israel". Money continues to flow from Synagogues, the UJA, B'nai B'rith etc, all without question or attention. How is it that our Western governments who are ALL signatories to the Geneva Convention, UN, ICJ, ICC etc, say nothing, and do nothing in the very obvious face of complicity in a clear and present genocide by Israel against the Palestinians. It is astounding that Jews are not called out. After 9-11 it was demanded of Muslims that they denounce the attacks, when the vast majority of them gave no economic, political, or social support to the "perpetrators". How is it that we are allowing those that walk among us to support the wiping out of a people as though it were normal and expected? What have we become? Why are we, our governments and media allowing this? How can we continue to call ourselves civilized humans if this is allowed to continue unquestioned?
I think there is equally much sense to demanding such denouncements from Muslims collectively as there is to doing it from Jews, merely because of their religion. Which means yes it is hypocritical that it is demanded from Muslims but not Jews (or Christians, for atrocities committed in the name Christianity) but that doesn't make it desirable to apply such standards to all religious collectives.
The reason for the hypocrisy is quite apparent: Zionist Jews are in no way alone in their support for Israel. Their stance is aligned with that of the ruling elite, and several other constituencies. Indeed, some polls indicate that the Christian right is even more pro-Israel than Jews as a group. Large parts of the alt right are zionist sympathisers, some of them while simultaneously detesting jews.
I think every sensible Jewish person should make their voice heard at this point. And I absolutely agree with you on calling out the Jewish institutions you mention for supporting mass murder. But I disagree with calling out Jews on the merit that they are Jews (whether that's what you were suggesting or not).
Martin, just because some Jews have had a change of conscience about Israel and Zionism, doesn't make them any less complicit. The money and influence that has enthusastically poured forth from the Jewish communities for 80 years has created this "problem". While I appreciate your point, Jews have created these problems, the vast majority of which have collectively, until now supported this evil. I also understand that Jews are as much victims of their own propaganda, indoctrination and lies as the rest of us, but non-Jews didn't create that narrative, and it's time they ALL stood up. The reality is that the world has been swayed by 80 years of propaganda and lies coming from the Zionists to the point where we now find ourselves in a position where they have so much control over the US government (and others) that it is a legitimate and reasonable question to ask where its allegiances really lie, and where this is going, and yes, this has all been the agenda and work of Zionist Jews. No other Western Government has been controlled to this extent, EVER. This is no "conspiracy theory" and people have to wake up. Trump is a dangerous puppet being played and controlled by Zionist interests, and again, it is no conspiracy, it is ALL linked. "Greater Israel", Russia, Ukraine, Middle East, Oil, canals... all of it. Cheers.
Miko Peled near the top of that list. Born & raised Israeli, son of IDF general, intimate friend of many Palestinians, never silenced in his condemnation of Zionism and Israeli racism.
I thought Medea Benjamin, when you said "It's the Benjamins." May there be many more like her. She is a righteous Jewish woman who organizes protests for Palestine every chance she gets. JVP, Rabbis for Human Rights, If Now Now, and many other Jewish organizations with members facing ostracism from their own families and communities, speaking out for justice. I hope you are supporting them, They can always use more people, or money, in lieu, of you personally.
Jews right now are going through something akin to the Vietnam war protests as the younger generation confronts the older one about its hypocrisy, war-mongering and colonial mentality. I think it's getting close to a tipping point where ostracism and the "self-hating jew" card just stops being effective. How you gonna ostracize a quarter or half of the community?
This is all very positive. But again, will it have any significant impact for the Empire agenda? I'm not too sure.
This is an intended "reply all" within this subthread...very good comments, all. I'll add to Chang's apt "...logic and reason', but more on 'fear and power'..." word combos by positing my own go-to: "control and domination." The ever-focused, ever-avid hardcore Zionists are intent on "controlling" the discourse and narrative; and they are so fearful of being (finally) outed that they must maintain their "dominating" modus operandi (just think of the hapless on-the-ground Palestinians!!). Somewhere (centrally!) in all of this, there is a *psychopathic* component that should/must, for the benefit of civilization (sic), be assiduously tackled, sorted out, and resolved. Will that happen in our -- or the Palestinians' -- lifetimes? ... I'm far, far from optimistic, for myriad reasons that span the last 70 years or so.
none of it would have been possible without (us-)empire support. i see much more jewish organised and supported protest (proportionately) than goy-protest in my newsfeed.
If antisemitism was really abhorred by elites in this country, the KKK and all of the white supremacist groups would be so far underground that they’d be invisible.
The planet is moving in an anti-Zionist direction, and an anti-capitalist one as well. There are fissures in the foundation. People will pay.
It is hard to believe that "The planet is moving in an anti-Zionist direction, and an anti-capitalist one as well". Looks like the world is moving towards the worst of times - that of authoritarianism, totalitarianism, despotism, autocracy, naziism, nationalism, xenophobia. In short fascism.
I construe the abandonment of all of the values and ideals that American elites have preached for the past 80 years, as a sign that they can’t hide the fact that they were lying through their teeth. When power in all of its guises is recognized as Illegitimate, the conversation is changed for the better.
I don’t think you’re wrong about the current situation and the immediate future. It’s ugly and banal, and perhaps hopeless, but I see the impotence of America’s attack dog in West Asia, which has to resort to mass murder to pretend it’s winning, as a clear signal that the paper tiger is losing its way.
The Blind Patriotism on the site is cloying! It’s almost desperate. I feel so sorry for the good people who are wanting him to be their savior. They are so misguided. But I understand their need to feel good about something. Once you know the real truth, hope is harder and harder to find.
"Blind Patriotism is the result of 50 years of failed education policy, and don't be fooled, it was part of the plan. Keep em'stupid and control the message. It's been part of the corporate/Zionist agenda since day 1.
So true. Americans are so desperate in that this is where we are now. They want so hard to believe...so, so much is wrong. I wonder where we'll be four years from now. Seems the democrats will just continue as an empty vessel. J.D. is waiting in the wings. I fear darker days to come.
As Lee Fang emphasized on a Greenwald segment, the Oscar-winning “No Other Land” was blatantly lied about by the Times in a claim that topical documentaries often have difficulty obtaining US distribution. This is of course bullshit, the truth being that it’s really anti-Zionist documentaries that have that problem. For example, even Laura Poitras’ “Citizen Four” about Snowden, which enraged the deep state, was widely distributed in 2014, while Al Jazeera’s “The Lobby” was censored in 2017, although it’s again available online (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGHKb8i9vTzCgnbENCKuz7fqU12xNBce).
Any documentary, any award -- any speech -- can be canceled if it tickles the displeasure of some gigantic gaping asshole Zionist billionaire.
Please don’t try to tell me that these Zionists aren’t the most pathological pieces of merda on the planet — as they commit a fresh rash of war crimes.
Dan Cohen on X had some pretty harsh criticism of the film. I haven’t seen it but Cohen was saying it was playing to liberal Zionists and completely ignored the atrocities in Gaza. He pointed out the Israeli used the speech time to also, once again, bring up 10/7 even though the film was about the West Bank.
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Thank you, Chang; you're an amazing resource
Welcom Vin! I believe such information sharing is necessary (and crucial) for making the world more informed and better (and to dismantle false narratives that are so prevalent in our society and cultures).
Granted, that to win an Oscar, fundamentally Hollywood bullshit, it's likely not going to be the most cutting-edge treatment of Palestinian issues.
More importantly, if it is indeed a tad milquetoast on the issues, it strengthens the point that, to world Zionism, even a tangential approach to Israeli-Palestinian politesse must be suppressed, not be widely viewed. And respect for Dan, but like you, I haven't seen it (as I once did Citizen Four way back when). Why not? Obviously!
I was lucky enough to see "Citizen Four," in Hong Kong, in a small theatre with Laura Poitras and others present to speak with us.
I haven't seen this new film, either, as it's only playing in one theater some distance away.
Now that it's "Oscared", the distributors will of course gradually succumb to the song of profit, always an eventuality in this mad economic system. I know of no theater within 200 miles of me that will as yet touch it, although there's a tiny one 60 miles away that I suspect will screen it at some point.
You were fortunate to hear from Poitras in person.
So, for Americans, loyalty to a foreign State, regardless of the crimes it commits, is more important than their right to freedom of speech?
For most of them, yes. Also for europeans.
Do you really believe most Americans and most Europeans believe that or is it just that their Governments are in the thrall of you knowwho's?
My experience - I don't know whether they believe anything (both Americans and Europeans), but they act like they do. And since actions speak louder than words I treat them accordingly.
Sensible position. But I am always curious to know more.
You can't really know what people believe.
Well as you rightly say, actions speak louder than words and without knowing what people believe that is the only source of information. Although people often act while believing the opposite or believing nothing.
I think it’s the governments that are in the thrall of youknowwhos. That’s why the collective power of people is a must right now, to make change happen!!
Hard to tell, isn't it? Google sends me to the Jewish News Syndicate. They tell me that a Harvard poll says 77% of USA citizens support Israel. An Echelon Insights poll says 43%. I don't trust anything in mainstream media and independent media can't afford a poll.
Pertinent comment, Patrick. And furthermore, what do they define as "support Israel"?
Support its right to exist?; its homicidal (genocidal to our minds) actions in Gaza?; its settler appropriation of chunks of the West Bank?; its biblically based assertion of land rights? So many ways to twist the question.
No State has a right to exist and only Fizzrael makes this claim. But yes, what were the questions?
Of course, you're right, but I fear there are enough demi-brains in that poll who would nonetheless support that assertion, knee-jerking in propagandized ovine mode (Baaah).
The search engines are set up to access Ziojewish propaganda. I read the other day 66% of young American Jews support not just the Palestinian Resistance but Hamas, which means young Americans in general doing the same is likely to be extremely high.
Polls are dodgy at the best of times. Who asks the question, who pays for the questions to be asked, who does the questioning, who is questioned, what are the questions?
Freedom of assembly
Zionist Americans. Yes.
💯% both utterly AIPAC, et al corrupted parties have already burned the 1st Amendment for the Western invaders/occupiers of Palestine 🇵🇸
Well, I’ve had enough of the utter evil, immoral Trump, Israel, Zionism, Willful Genocide, trashing the US Constitution. Did Trump sell out America? It appears so! My First Amendment Rights are speaking!
Do you think the utter evil, immoral Harris and the Demonrats would have done any differently? Are they out on the streets screaming and demonstrating against this?
:Crickets:.
It was under Biden when the goon squads went in to crack student noggins, and to fire Uni deans who refused to prevent anti-Z speech.
I didn’t support Biden or Harris. Why do you assume that? People did protest against them and Israel’s genocide of Palestinians.
Where did I say you did say that? Merely pointing out that the other option in the 2 party dictatorship would behave similarly.
I don't recall seeing Harris and the leading Demonrats out on the streets regarding Gaza - as they are regarding the closing of USAID, the regime-change govt dept.
They, Biden, Harris, leading Democrats, supplied the weapons to Israel. They are Zionist bought, too.
This wasn't just Trump!
They seem to be tuning up the authoritarian State. Either you agree to what we say and do, or you are expelled or imprisoned.
If they can coerce and enforce full solidarity behind a genocide that is being documented in real time, what's coming next?
Israelis are now fully propagandized to believe that they are right to kill women, children and destroy everything to obliterate the Palestinians. They also firmly believe with religious conviction that they deserve to expand and increase Israel.
Europe has been coerced into a position of supporting war in Ukraine, which is now considered by more than a few as existential, as the media and politicians have successfully implanted the idea that Russia will not stop at the border of Ukraine, but will continue to sweep across Europe unless stopped.
Australia seems to have gone hysterical over a couple of Chinese naval vessels in international waters. Today I read that the vessels have moved "a little closer" to Australua. This is reminiscent of the weather balloons over the US. Not so subtly planting ideas that the whites are surrounded by enemies.
Are these steps towards militarizing the entire white population to be in a permanent war against the global south?
Yes, re the Chinese naval vessels circumnavigating Australia - few mention that Aussie naval ships (and others) are in S China Seas regularly …..
Richard Parker, This is the new version of the "Yellow Peril ".
"Freeeedom of the Seas" only goes one way...
Has there ever been a country in which you could speak out against your own government but not a foreign one? This country is frankly laughable at this point. The Onion couldn't have come up with anything funnier!
So funny, we're all liable to die laughing.
FREE PALESTINE, just try and shut us up you Orange Prick!
Any American who stays silent about this genocide has lost their moral compass, or never had one to begin with.
If I was an American university student right now, I'd be looking into other universities in other countries. Some of them are free to attend, but that's beside the point.
What's next? It's hard to imagine more of an attack on the right to free speech.
And it's but a short step back to a latter-day House UnAmerican Activity Committee. This is getting serious. And Australia should get the hell out of ANYTHING to do with Uncle Sam before its insidious effects fuck this country too.
Sadly, I fear it’s too late for Australia to extricate itself …nice little American nuclear sub in Perth right now …..
It's not so much that is too late Judy, as the fact that we need a Govt. with a few vertebrae. The testicles are optional ( although there does seem to be a dearth of them in the Labor Party ) but I thought Julia Gillard led a good Govt. The first, only and also last, serious action on the Climate crisis.
I also think Anna Bligh and Palaszczuk did a good job in Qld looking after Queenslanders after cyclones, floods and skyrocketing electricity bills.
But as far as I can see neither major party will stand for Australia or Australians.
We have the same line up of CIA cutout frontpeople in the UK. Same in NZ and Canada.
The domestic (And international) political and media hysteria over Corbyn had to be seen to be believed.
I remember it well.
These Universities are killing the hands that feed them...........word will get around soon enough.
Read Julian Macfarlane's substack today ...... as they say "you gotta laugh!"
"Making America healthy means building communities of trust and mutual respect, based on speech freedom and open debate.”
Uh, yeah, right. RFK Jr. is clueless when it comes to 1) public health topics and 2) freedom of speech. He sure makes his late father look good by comparison.
For all those who kept defending RFK Jr.'s zy0nist rants on the campaign trail should just give up now and admit it: You're pathetic anti-free speech supporters and genocide-enablers.
RFK Jr didn’t mention Israel other than to say how they were experimenting on their public. It wasn’t until Pasta’s admiration of the Debbie Washerman strategy did the campaign shift to “Zionist rants”. Rants that included saying we shouldn’t fund Israel because it’s not fair to Americans. But everyone with a podcast popped out of the woodwork stating how they too “must debate him” on the topic he never mentioned before. This was exacerbated by all the branch covidiots and people who were late on COVID, they already hated him and were ecstatic to have a topic to tear him down with. This just led to people leaving his side that could have helped press against the universally acknowledged gigantic pressure campaign that everyone but Thomas Massey has folded to. One of the only humans to avoid virtue signaling to Pfizer at a time when it mattered, was virtue signaling to Israel when it didn’t matter, and so most people good on the issue pouted and bailed. Now they hang on his every word to prove to themselves they made the right decision, they didn’t.
Just as a side note I thought it extremely dishonest for no one to ever mention how RFK Jr was a teenager and watched as his father was assassinated, a Palestinian activist firing a gun at him tackled and arrested for the crime. Many of the same people would correctly identify how dangerous that kind of trauma can be from the other direction. In comments people actually think it’s an excuse to cite how, as an old man, he formed the opinion Sirhansirhan was innocent and began championing for his freedom, against the wishes of his family and all the other people in power yet the excuse is shite, only serving as another example that goes against the charges of “Zionist” as that’s not how trauma works. He very well might have been a closeted Zionist since youth because of how things unfolded with his dad but because no one calling attention to Zionism seem interested in entertaining ideas they fear might lead to anti-Zionism-hesitancy, they just ignore it.
The USAss Government suppression of Vietnam WAR protests on steroids.
The difference between then and now, imperial hubris mutated to imperial desperation and vengeance.
One of the few presidents I actually have respect for, Richard Nixon, did the correct thing twice: (1) ending the Vietnam war and (2) having the integrity to resign when he got caught with Watergate.
No president in my lifetime, Reagan and since, has a tiny fraction of integrity Nixon had.
There’s not much of a high-bar to jump to be “up” in the presidential integrity department since Kennedy. But you’ll need to find a skosh or two for Nixon somewhere else. He sabotaged Johnson’s lame duck diplomacy, and then as President expanded the war in Southeast Asia.
Nixon resigned because the party leaders told him to—or face impeachment.
I just joined truth social and told Trump what I thought of his remark. Then I looked around a bit and commented here and there. There was a post saying Trump deserves the Nobel Peace prize! I commented that that was almost as funny as Obama winning it! Best laugh I have had in a long time. Can you imagine?
Too early to be categorical. Bizarrely he and Putin seem to be the only ones talking peace. His track record hardly is promising however. Badmouthing the UN, dumping the Paris Accord, defunding the WHO. This could be a broken clock situation.
Supporting a genocide should automatically disqualify anyone from winning a Nobel Peace Prize. Is the bar really that low?
Made me laugh too, Truth To Power. Thanks.
“Anti-Semitism — like racism — is a spiritual and moral malady that sickens societies and kills people with lethalities comparable to history’s most deadly plagues,” said Kennedy. Replace Anti Semitism with Zionism and you have a truthful statement.
“Agitators will be imprisoned/or permanently sent back to the country from which they came."
A little humour. I first read this as Alligators will be........
Hmm... alligators. This gives me an idea for a protest. "Righteous Reptiles for Palestine."
Well, alligators will be too! 😂
‘…imprisoned/or permanently sent back to the country from which they came.’
I’d have asked for clarification — do you saying that as foreign students are banned permanently, that US students will be incarcerated permanently?
GS-z-14-1 🤔😂
I find the comment so far off the rails that I didn't really consider asking for clarification.
And I concur. Mine was a ‘tongue in cheek’ remark. That said, I would depict the campaign against Gaza with terms such as ‘barbarity’ and ‘degradation’ and genocidal criminality.’
My perspective on that campaign is articulated here: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/12/19/pers-d19.html
Hypocrisy and outright, blatant treason come to mind. Sigh.... I guess all I personally can wait for is right-minded Jewish/non-Zionist Jewish students to rise up in alarm and revulsion and push back to the max on this issue. Will they have the traditional Jewish ethics of justice and morality to do so? I'm waiting....
And of course this all comes down to money and greed and influence and power: billionaires, university funders, influence-buying...it's the Benjamins....
Almost forgot "Thank you, Caitlin!"
I've been thinking that Jewish anti-zionism is an efficient way of countering the narrative. And to some extent it is. But I'm getting less optimistic, not because of these Jews (they are a large and growing group) but because the totalitarian narrative seems immune to logic.
"You are antisemites!"
"But we are Jews"
"You are antisemites!"
It doesn't mean jew hater anymore, it means threat to the system.
"self-hating Jews" ... there are passionate Jewish luminaries who get smeared with this epithet. A few I'd put in the category are Max Blumenthal, Prof. Norman Finkelstein, Prof. Ilan Pappe...isn't the wonderful Naomi Klein Jewish and surely belonging...also Harvard Prof. Sara Roy, for whom I have particular respect but haven't heard from for a few years? ... (and Dr. Jill Stein!)
The thing is there are so many... I come across new names all the time that I hadn't heard of. Of course some are newly awakened and right now there is massive awakening happening, which is good. But Jewish anti-zionists have always been around. Before ww2 they were an overwhelming majority, that found it a preposterous idea to move en masse to the Middle East. Some for religious reasons, some because they felt fine were they were, and some already at that point understood that the land wasn't empty. After the Holocaust the Zionist leaders had a lot of them convinced that this was their only safe place. And you know what else they did - they went after all the remaining, persisting anti-zionist Jews. Look up Alfred Lilienthal, Elmer Berger, Moshe Machover. These are Jews that worked closely with with the Palestinian resistance in the 50's and 60's. But their legacy is covered up because it doesn't add up with the jew = zionist concept that is such a valuable asset for Israel. Which is why they've done everything from extortion to brainwashing to make it a reality.
Nowadays anti-zionist jews may still be a minority of Jews but that's not why they're not visible enough, at least that's not the only reason. Their existence is a threat to the prevailing logic.
But like I wrote before, I'm afraid that even if they would become a majority it wouldn't have an impact on the discourse, which seems immune to reason. Anti-semite is gradually shifting meaning. More and more often, Jews get the label themselves. That says a whole lot. A non-jew telling a jew they're antisemite.
I'm afraid logic and reason are no efficient weapons against these forces.
>>"Anti-semite is gradually shifting meaning. More and more often, Jews get the label themselves. That says a whole lot. A non-jew telling a jew they're antisemite. I'm afraid logic and reason are no efficient weapons against these forces."
Completely agree with you Martin! Unfortunately, the world doesn't seem to work enough on 'logic and reason', but more on 'fear and power'. This needs to change. But how?
Good question, Chang.
What is probably the most disturbing "feature" of the Zionist Genocide against the Palestinians is that the majority of Jews around the world continue to loudly support "Israel". Money continues to flow from Synagogues, the UJA, B'nai B'rith etc, all without question or attention. How is it that our Western governments who are ALL signatories to the Geneva Convention, UN, ICJ, ICC etc, say nothing, and do nothing in the very obvious face of complicity in a clear and present genocide by Israel against the Palestinians. It is astounding that Jews are not called out. After 9-11 it was demanded of Muslims that they denounce the attacks, when the vast majority of them gave no economic, political, or social support to the "perpetrators". How is it that we are allowing those that walk among us to support the wiping out of a people as though it were normal and expected? What have we become? Why are we, our governments and media allowing this? How can we continue to call ourselves civilized humans if this is allowed to continue unquestioned?
I think there is equally much sense to demanding such denouncements from Muslims collectively as there is to doing it from Jews, merely because of their religion. Which means yes it is hypocritical that it is demanded from Muslims but not Jews (or Christians, for atrocities committed in the name Christianity) but that doesn't make it desirable to apply such standards to all religious collectives.
The reason for the hypocrisy is quite apparent: Zionist Jews are in no way alone in their support for Israel. Their stance is aligned with that of the ruling elite, and several other constituencies. Indeed, some polls indicate that the Christian right is even more pro-Israel than Jews as a group. Large parts of the alt right are zionist sympathisers, some of them while simultaneously detesting jews.
I think every sensible Jewish person should make their voice heard at this point. And I absolutely agree with you on calling out the Jewish institutions you mention for supporting mass murder. But I disagree with calling out Jews on the merit that they are Jews (whether that's what you were suggesting or not).
Martin, just because some Jews have had a change of conscience about Israel and Zionism, doesn't make them any less complicit. The money and influence that has enthusastically poured forth from the Jewish communities for 80 years has created this "problem". While I appreciate your point, Jews have created these problems, the vast majority of which have collectively, until now supported this evil. I also understand that Jews are as much victims of their own propaganda, indoctrination and lies as the rest of us, but non-Jews didn't create that narrative, and it's time they ALL stood up. The reality is that the world has been swayed by 80 years of propaganda and lies coming from the Zionists to the point where we now find ourselves in a position where they have so much control over the US government (and others) that it is a legitimate and reasonable question to ask where its allegiances really lie, and where this is going, and yes, this has all been the agenda and work of Zionist Jews. No other Western Government has been controlled to this extent, EVER. This is no "conspiracy theory" and people have to wake up. Trump is a dangerous puppet being played and controlled by Zionist interests, and again, it is no conspiracy, it is ALL linked. "Greater Israel", Russia, Ukraine, Middle East, Oil, canals... all of it. Cheers.
Miko Peled near the top of that list. Born & raised Israeli, son of IDF general, intimate friend of many Palestinians, never silenced in his condemnation of Zionism and Israeli racism.
I thought Medea Benjamin, when you said "It's the Benjamins." May there be many more like her. She is a righteous Jewish woman who organizes protests for Palestine every chance she gets. JVP, Rabbis for Human Rights, If Now Now, and many other Jewish organizations with members facing ostracism from their own families and communities, speaking out for justice. I hope you are supporting them, They can always use more people, or money, in lieu, of you personally.
Jews right now are going through something akin to the Vietnam war protests as the younger generation confronts the older one about its hypocrisy, war-mongering and colonial mentality. I think it's getting close to a tipping point where ostracism and the "self-hating jew" card just stops being effective. How you gonna ostracize a quarter or half of the community?
This is all very positive. But again, will it have any significant impact for the Empire agenda? I'm not too sure.
This is an intended "reply all" within this subthread...very good comments, all. I'll add to Chang's apt "...logic and reason', but more on 'fear and power'..." word combos by positing my own go-to: "control and domination." The ever-focused, ever-avid hardcore Zionists are intent on "controlling" the discourse and narrative; and they are so fearful of being (finally) outed that they must maintain their "dominating" modus operandi (just think of the hapless on-the-ground Palestinians!!). Somewhere (centrally!) in all of this, there is a *psychopathic* component that should/must, for the benefit of civilization (sic), be assiduously tackled, sorted out, and resolved. Will that happen in our -- or the Palestinians' -- lifetimes? ... I'm far, far from optimistic, for myriad reasons that span the last 70 years or so.
none of it would have been possible without (us-)empire support. i see much more jewish organised and supported protest (proportionately) than goy-protest in my newsfeed.
If antisemitism was really abhorred by elites in this country, the KKK and all of the white supremacist groups would be so far underground that they’d be invisible.
The planet is moving in an anti-Zionist direction, and an anti-capitalist one as well. There are fissures in the foundation. People will pay.
To unwarranted.
Do hope you are right.
It is hard to believe that "The planet is moving in an anti-Zionist direction, and an anti-capitalist one as well". Looks like the world is moving towards the worst of times - that of authoritarianism, totalitarianism, despotism, autocracy, naziism, nationalism, xenophobia. In short fascism.
I construe the abandonment of all of the values and ideals that American elites have preached for the past 80 years, as a sign that they can’t hide the fact that they were lying through their teeth. When power in all of its guises is recognized as Illegitimate, the conversation is changed for the better.
I don’t think you’re wrong about the current situation and the immediate future. It’s ugly and banal, and perhaps hopeless, but I see the impotence of America’s attack dog in West Asia, which has to resort to mass murder to pretend it’s winning, as a clear signal that the paper tiger is losing its way.
This hypocrisy takes all the air out of JD Vance's justifiable attack on the EU and UK
No it doesn't. Hypocrisy is standard, routine. It's very popular. Most people demand it.
The Blind Patriotism on the site is cloying! It’s almost desperate. I feel so sorry for the good people who are wanting him to be their savior. They are so misguided. But I understand their need to feel good about something. Once you know the real truth, hope is harder and harder to find.
"Blind Patriotism is the result of 50 years of failed education policy, and don't be fooled, it was part of the plan. Keep em'stupid and control the message. It's been part of the corporate/Zionist agenda since day 1.
But once you know the truth, there's a chance that wasn't there before. Right?
So true. Americans are so desperate in that this is where we are now. They want so hard to believe...so, so much is wrong. I wonder where we'll be four years from now. Seems the democrats will just continue as an empty vessel. J.D. is waiting in the wings. I fear darker days to come.
I believe that Workers Strike Back is our best hope forward.