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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

You have to be pretty stupid to actually plan a war with a superpower that has nukes, that has great technology and viable plans for the future via Belt and Road initiatives that connect huge swathes of territory for the mutual benefit of all. But who said the West was intelligent?

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Crixcyon's avatar

Neocons are behind this and they are extremely stupid. They keep fighting wars hoping that someday they might win one.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

I don't think they ever see any war as a loss: Military Industrial Complex, bombastic sound bites, and big news profile: what's not to like?

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ikester8's avatar

I'm pretty sure the MIC is funding PNAC and the endless coterie of fellow think-tank travelers.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Sure - hand in glove. Or, mutual back rub. It's all luv, luv, luv... They never think in terms of tragedies, or abuse of actual humans and the planet.

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Jeano's avatar

Ya, Obama the neocon, started it, with his “pivot to China”.

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Kojo's avatar

What you find is that people like Obama and Biden annd Clinton are figureheads.

The hardcore hawks of the three letter agencies, like Nuland, are running the show. They decide the agenda, and the figureheads read out what they are told to say on stage.

That’s why these policies have been consistent from CLinton to Bush to Obama and Biden. And note that Trump wasn’t following the script to the letter, which is why they had a problem with him. Not that his own agenda was right, but he wasn’t following their line and for this he was ejected.

This is not about presidents at all. It’s about hardcore ideologues in the so called deep state that are consistently the ones running the US - a supposed democracy due to the ritual of holding elections that have no impact on actual political power or policy. That’s an ugly fact.

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jamenta's avatar

And its precisely the deep state's invisibility, and entire lack of accountability that is so treacherous to the United States Constitution and to the lives of ordinary Americans. The deep state tyranny that has now descended upon the country is done so through control of main stream media and the constant feeding to the American public of deep state lies (the new Neo-McCarthyism for the last couple of years has been the most blatant and obvious) and now the ability of unaccountable mass surveillance and the ability to abrogate the fundamental rights of any American by simply labeling said American as a threat to the state. And we see an assault on journalism and the directed character assassination of anyone who dares attempt to defy deep state propaganda or desired goals.

Not sure how far this will go either. We see the latest push for even further tyrannical power by the deep state with the RESTRICT act. We also see the use of the now pretty corrupted American judicial system to stop a former American president from running again ... and even if Trump finally clears himself, the timing of the judicial attack on Trump just at the start of the next presidential race, will provide plenty of ammunition for Trump's competition, which could drag him down enough where he can no longer reasonably contend. We'll see. Will the teflon Don hold out, even when under judicial attack by the deep state? And will they use other means to take him out, like they did JFK?

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derdingsda's avatar

It has been like that since the constitution was written. The design goal was to share the responsibility among voters while keeping the power in the hands of those who wrote it: rich white slave owners and industrialists.

The US has never been a democracy in the sense of a government of the people for the people, it was always an oligarchy.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Ever seen "Don't Look Up"?

It's funny, because the People Who Run Things really are that greedy and short-sighted.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Caitlin, you have given voice to what the sane among us have been fearing for a while. It is obvious that the ultimate goal of the proxy war the empire is waging to the last Ukrainian is the balkanisation of Russia. With Russia balkanised and puppet regimes at the empire's beck and call they could wage a war against China. A white supremacist war of the Churchillian kind. We should be grateful that Putin is thwarting the grand plan.

Jeff Sharlet, author of "The Undertow" talks about the far right and the growing threat of Fascism in the US and that there is a slow civil war going on. All the while they are wallowing in their neoliberal lust, inventing new wars, polluting and pillaging, not only harming their own people but the rest of humanity.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

There is no doubt that countries like the UK and the US and little Australia, joined together merrily as the AUKUSTRATED AUKUS club, must seem to be arrogant to the rest of the world.

An Anglo group, hitched together by ancestral beginnings and trying to show the world in no uncertain terms that it is the Christian / Whities who really run the world. A couple more similarly inclined countries like Canada and New Zealand and you have the whole Aryan ("noble, white, superior or high-born”) clubhouse…... complete.

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All this in 2023. Have we learned from history over the past 200 years?

Let's take little Australia, a white British owned colony, thanks to the British decision to make this country a penal settlement in 1788 to rid good old England of those commoners who may have stolen a loaf of bread to feed their family. But white, all the way. Good sense prevailed in the next 125 years and a need for similar (whitish) people, not all bread stealers, to add to the colony was made, but still mainly British. Then WWII, after which we saw people from many countries choose to live here, and Australia discovered prawns, fried rice, spaghetti, noodles, olive oil, moussaka, (as opposed to the very British standard fare) was on its way....but still very whitish, Then many more Europeans of various nationalities added to the mix, not all white. And the new Australia was born. Still British down to its bootstraps with about 7.5 million people in 1945, waving the almost British looking flag and bowing and scraping to a Queen and still today, a feeble old Prince now known as a King of England as well as whatever is left of the old British colonial empire.

A couple of wars managed now by the new emerging power, the USA, respected in those days, made us all feel comfortable for our future lives until we witnessed and willingly joined them in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, , Afghanistan with treaties like ANZUS, to the really big one, now AUKUS, and we were sold. Let's be like them. They are exceptional, in their own opinion..

On one hand a British colony still but now trying to become something different. We failed miserably, now a Yankee junior bag carrier and still a 'yes sir’/ 'no sir’ Pommy servant.

Anyone else want a slice of this naive pie down under?

Hence AUKUS. An agreement that has put paid to Australia ever being a country of note, of independent thoughts and decisions and as a result, able to be respected, as such. We are something of an international joke, except on the tennis court where we often shine brightly.

So when we read of other countries accepting multiple US bases in many forms, all designed to harass China as identified by Caitlin today, adding to the 800+ US bases already in place around the world, you know that the times are changing. But if you aren't Aryan and Christian and White, you’ll never ever have a role as a member of something like America’s little profitable plaything ‘AUKUS' ( like Australia unfortunately has ) and never become a friendly (on the surface) military bag carrier for Biden's bunch and whoever follows him in 2024, undoubtedly with the same qualities as the one before.

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Andrew Thomas's avatar

Thank you, as always, for your insights and brilliance. I had never known before about the 1902 quote from Churchill. Wow. His racist imperial rants I had heard about should have prepared me for it, but it was a bit surprising. Given the now public plans to ‘balkanize’ Russia, and that 120 year old imperial wet dream of Sir Winston regarding China, it is apparent that the only reason it is called ‘balkanization’ is that it was the first place it was tried. And it worked! Pity the Balkans for their bad fortune.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

I think there might be a difference between liberal-capitalist imperializers, who seem to be motivated by the desire for more stuff and power and repute, like most people, and the neocons, who appear to be devil-worshipers purely motivated by evil, a desire for hatred, death, and destruction. The difference suggests different methods of dealing with the respective problems they pose for us.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Wouldn't the overall method of dealing with the two groups (neo-libs and neo-cons) be "balkanization"? Find the divisions and fractures that exist in these two and break them apart in to smaller and smaller entities until they can be prosecuted and jailed.

How does the Oligarchy fit into this question? Nader wrote "Only the Super-Rich Can Save US". Which ones? Ray Dalio may be a "good guy". His youTube on the "Changing World Order" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xguam0TKMw8, came out a year ago, predicting the events we see today. Is he a billionaire just because he was "along for the ride" or because he actively sought to manipulate the economy?

Warren Buffet once owned much of the Norfolk-Southern Railroad, the one that has make East Palestine, Ohio, an unlivable cesspool. Rather than encourage upgrading the company's infrastructure, he saw the coming problems and dumped his ownership on someone else. Was he just running away from his responsibilities? Should he be held accountable?

George Soros funds dozens of "Open Society Foundations" around the world that claim to seek justice but, in fact, strive to perpetuate institutions that reinforce the existing social order. (Wikipedia) The "existing order" is capitalism.

Capitalism places the Oligarchy in control of the politicians. Every US election since 2000 has shown that it it money which determines the winner, whether it be neo-con or neo-lib money.

Other neo-liberals would include Elon Musk. His motivation is a "free market" best illuminated by his quote about the Bolivian coup that failed. "We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it."

Bill Gates is a neo-liberal. His pursuit of wealth extends to support of the mRNA vaccines to further profit "Big Pharma". He also buys up agricultural land so drive up prices.

Neo-liberals appear to me to be the ones who inflate the economy (causing asset prices to rise) every 4 to 7 years (as Richard Wolff explains) to then burst it to steal the equity of homeowners, so they can resell the assets at a lower price but still increase their wealth.

Is there a common thread here?

Yes, the neo-cons appear to be motivated by hate. Zbigniew Brzezinski is a neo-con even though he worked for Democratic Administrations. Is it important that he was born in Warsaw? Madeleine Albright is a neo-con -- only a neo-con can believe 500,000 dead Iraqi children was "worth it". She too worked for the Democrats. Is it important that she was born in Prague? Victoria Nuland is a neo-con, (anyone who supports the Banderite Nazis in Ukraine is a neocon) who has spent a career in the State Department in alliance with her husband Robert Kagan of the infamous Kagan cabal. While Nuland was born in New York, her parents came from Eastern Europe. Her husband from Athens Greece.

Is there a common thread here?

Neo-cons are afraid of everything. Like the Anti-defamation League and APAC they declare everything to be a threat to their existence. (It isn't anti-Semitic to point out the truth here.) They conspire to create panic and spread their fear, to recruit others to their cause. The "Red Scare" about communism is an example. Neo-cons, live in a kill or be killed world and want to kill before they are killed. They use their wealth to destroy their enemies. Enemies who often have no idea how much the neo-cons hate them.

Neo-libs are selfish, self-important egoists with little morality. They care only for self-aggrandizement and power that can only be attained with money. They are criminals. Aaron Good explains in his excellent YouTube series and podcasts that America was founded by criminals and has always been run by criminals. His most recent episode about Nelson Rockefeller and the destruction caused in the Amazon basin was revealing. The Rockefeller Foundation is a criminal enterprise. It is the Mafia without the Italians.

Neo-libs work with neo-cons as long as they can accumulate more wealth. Neo-cons work with neo-libs as long as they kill the enemy.

Neo-cons are terrified of Russia and China because they are paranoid. They grew up paranoid, they have been infected with a psychotic condition that cannot be healed. They are the Ukraine Nazis who glory in threats to the Russian-speakers of the Donbas. They want to destroy everything.

Neo-libs are willing to be friends with Russia and China because like the Ferengi, they only covet profit. They are willing to destroy only as long as they can make a profit doing it. They went along with the neo-con PNAC-inspired destruction of the Middle-East for "profit". They left Vietnam when there was no more profit, then made friends with Vietnam because -- profit.

How do we turn the neo-cons and the neo-libs against one another? By threatening capitalism. The end of the American Empire threatens capitalism. The fracture between the neo-cons and the neo-libs is growing.

Blackrock is a neo-liberal organization. Witness what the French did to Blackrock.

Unions threaten the neo-libs.

One thing that doesn't threaten neo-libs: trans. This issue is hyped beyond all recognition because it serves the neo-libs to create artificial divides among conservative and liberal Americans. Conservative Americans tend to be more religious which in turn (although not by itself) makes them more afraid of change. Liberal Americans want to free oppressed peoples from their burdens. Both kinds of Americans just "want to get along".

To combat this desire to "just get along" Neo-liberals sell T-shirts at Target for little boys that all have rainbows on them. They sell Budweiser with trans advocate Dylan Mulvaney printed on it. The backlash could not have come as a surprise. This is the same playbook that was used against Blacks during the Civil Rights era.

Yes, Trans is an important issues, just as many other cultural issues. But we need to recognize how it is being used against us.

We should take a page out of Scott Ritter and Caleb Maupin's playbook. A committed Reaganite and an outright Marxist united against the Oligarchy's march to Nuclear Annihilation.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

Unfortunately I don't have an answer to my own implied question. It is said that one becomes like one's enemy, and I certainly don't want to become a devil-worshiper. I do think that people need to recognize what they're dealing with -- just for a start.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

They balkanised Yugoslavia - a socialist success story. Slobodan Milosevic died at The Hague while being tried by the ICJ on trumped up charges of war crimes.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Essential reading:

Orwell: Burmese Days

Conrad: Heart of Darkness

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Patrick Powers's avatar

My advice : don't get into a war with someone who is bigger, smarter, and has more friends.

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Jack Mackeddie's avatar

I hope you aren't referring to America, because they certainly aren't "smart" and I think they're running out of friends quickly.

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Fortified City's avatar

Luk 14:31  Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

Luk 14:32  Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth

conditions of peace.

What ruler aggressively goes up against (offensively) a trained Army of 2 million +, a country 3 years ago having a population of 1.5 billion.

One of the world’s largest navies equipped with the latest technology in hypersonic missiles. This would be an existential fight for China engaging the entire country’s massive manufacturing industry. Not to mention China has succeeded in many friends with practically every country on the planet except for of the United States and it’s colonial lackys.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

And God forbid, my dear and faithful lord,

That you should fashion, wrest, or bow your reading,

Or nicely charge your understanding soul

With opening titles miscreate, whose right

Suits not in native colors with the truth;

For God doth know how many

now in health

Shall drop their blood in approbation

Of what your reverence shall incite us to.

Therefore take heed how you impawn our person,

How you awake our sleeping sword of war.

We charge you in the name of God, take heed,

For never two such kingdoms did contend

Without much fall of blood, whose guiltless drops

Are every one a woe, a sore complaint

'Gainst him whose wrong gives edge unto the swords

That make such waste in brief mortality.

(Henry V, Shakespeare)

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TomG's avatar

It is always a good reminder to the world that the "great" Churchill was both bigot and warmonger. Appropriate in that sense that Congress and MSM cheer Zelensky on as a Churchillian leader of our time.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

Yeah wow. That Curchill quote re: China and 'Aryan stock' was pretty revealing. Churchill's colonialist and racist ideology wasn't too far from Hitler. Never forget too that Churchill violently broke worker's strikes with the military. It has been fashionable recently to make films lionizing and favorably humanizing conservative British leaders (The Iron Lady, Darkest Hour). We get such propagandist slop laid out for us to consume and re-write history...

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Fortified City's avatar

This is the very reason that Xi Jinping visited Russia just a few weeks ago. Making it clear to the Western Alliance by continuing this aggression towards China would be utterly reckless.

However, I think both Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping know full well they are not dealing with a sane government in neither case the United States nor EU.

How do you describe those who are leading the declining Western empire in this direction. I think even Spock would run out of colorful metaphors.

I have never so help me God,

been so sick and tired of a people as I’ve been with this group who now occupies practically every leadership position in the country.

They are wealthy spoiled children mutated into some kind suicidal maniacs void of any moral guidance.

I’m calling on Heaven to send fire and brimstone on the whole lot of them. Either way I don’t think this is gonna resolve itself without intervention of some kind we are headed to a final gathering of the world’s greatest armies, Armageddon.

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Jeano's avatar

I’ll call with you, even tho I’m not a crazy Christian. Hell, might as well try it all!

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Fortified City's avatar

Yes there’s so many things in this universe of which we know practically nothing

And it’s already been shown to us that those at the helm who are speaking are babbling idiots who can’t tell the truth.

So I’ll tell ya Jean don’t leave no stone unturned...preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who don’t believe but to those who choose to believe it is savior/smell of life.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Why not do it yourself? The French certainly are.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The last time the aggressive, world-domination obsessed Chinese military went into combat outside China was 1979.

Compare the track record of the benevolent and freedom-luvin' United States since that time.

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Patrick Tracey's avatar

You would have to be a deluded fool or an absolute bare faced liar to say China is the aggressor in this totally USA made area of conflict. The USA has been building American base surrounding China as staging places for attack. I believe their are 22 now. Also their are allied forces in the region both Australia and U.K. under a specific anti Chinese military pact made last year. Plus vassal states such as Japan who recently launched an attack helicopter carry for projected might not defence.

What many don’t realise is the strength of the Chinese military. Jane’s manual is the worldwide independent series of books that list all aspects of military kit and personnel. Ships carry then to help aide indentifying enemy warships and aircraft. You may be Surprised to learn that the number one rated combat soldier is China. Also they have lust launched a state of the art aircraft carrier. Of the two new smaller British carriers one is permanently In port with reactor troubles. The other is sailing around the Med but unfortunately does not have one aircraft aboard as the only aircraft suitable for carriers, the Harrier jump jet, was retired last year. No doubt at some point they will buy some outdated F35’s from the Yanks but there not much cop in a modern dog fight.

But America is bankrupt. It is defaulting on even paying the interest on the huge debts to China. So as well as Empire building they can wipe off the debt plus put their main cash cow , the American military complex into overdrive mode.

Even with vassal states such as Japan at their disposal I think they under estimate the Chinese who will be defending their homeland from foreign aggressors. How long until it become WWIII or the U.S deploys nuclear weapons in that part of the world. Not quite as easy as the Proxy war in the Ukraine but far from American ground.

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George Cornell's avatar

Chang is a stark raving lunatic who is given regular voice by one of the scariest think tanks going, the tax dodging Gatestone Institute.

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Badbard Poetry's avatar

Always on the mark. Keep it coming Caitlin.

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Valerie's avatar

Thank you Caitlin, again you have sumarised the position the US takes concerning China so well, it will encourage other countries to join in too, if they haven't already tied their flag to the mast of Western domination. Ukraine was them testing the waters, I hope to god they never succeed.

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bill wolfe's avatar

What this all boils down to is that the ruling elites elevate protection and sustaining the greed and wealth of a tiny handful of billionaires over all the people on the planet, including those "superior" western Aryans.

A peaceful and healthy planet would require that the rich transfer wealth to the poor (at intra-national and international scales) through taxes and direct transfers (confiscations) and forego capitalist growth and continuing concentration of wealth. In other words, Eco-Socialism.

They see almost all us as expendable and would be pleased to see almost all of us die, with a small contingent left over to maintain their backyards, grow their food, harvest their crops, generate their energy, and play their music, etc.

The fact, as Caitlin notes, that there are more of us than them is precisely the point. Genocide is the only solution to their dilemma, and it can get only more obvious as conditions worsen towards both ecological and political collapse. That's where we're headed and have been for a long time.

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Jack Mackeddie's avatar

Another great post Caitlin. Especially asking why must the elitists hegemony financiers want the whole world to themselves. I guess the answer is that they might/will lose the American Dollar as the worlds trading currency. Something that must happen and soon. Of course America makes 40% of it's GDP from arms manufacture, the elites bankroll these companies win financially no matter who wins any wars they fund, classic example Ukraine .

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Here are my two favorite lines from this excellent article:

"And in fact we do not have to do it in our day, either. We don't have to do it in any day. "

(In other words, there's never a good reason to go to war with ANYBODY at any time. There is always room for diplomatic negotiations and cooperation among the diverse peoples of Planet Earth.)

"Their rule is done as soon as enough of us decide it is."

(Translation: We are the 99% It's time for us to use our numbers to take out the warmongering, soul-destroying capitalist imperialists. We've got to get off our sofa and get into the street like the French are currently doing. Who's with me?)

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Patricia Blair's avatar

My husband once flew with a pilot that “ flew the Hump” bringing supplies into China during WWII to help fight the Japanese. Whatever happened to Formosa and its people? I’m really weary of this continued stupidity from all countries. Churchill was a racist, not really to be admired. Most Americans are not very smart, informed, sad to say. The military is poisoning us at every base.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Ritter on the ADL:

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxMYkwNRzlg9kZlWqtxmAxzRCgNVJT8rDi

I don't know about ZOG though. I admit there do seem to be a lot of neo-con Jews. I'm not sure about neo-lib Jews.

Milton Friedman is suppose to be a neo-lib but this is where separating neo-lib from neo-con gets complicated. What Friedman did to Argentina can only be described as a genocide. He can hide behind that "not me, him" BS all he wants to.

Sometimes the neo-con and neo-lib objectives merge tightly together.

Sometimes they say one thing but mean another. Wikipedia says the neoconservatives grew out of the "liberals" that were the democratic party. Whatever.

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GadflyBytes's avatar

Once again, Caitlin, you’ve identified the Zorgians in our midst. The western public has an apocalyptic capacity for cognitive dissonance, with a corresponding lack intellectual curiosity about the motivations of those who would drive us into war, without offering to actually fight in it.

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