Any young person in the US and Europe would be well advised to research the history of the anti-war movements of the 1960's and to begin to emulate them, for the sake of all humanity.
Funnily enough, they (read the civilised folk of the west) used to deride the Iraqis for allowing Saddam to be their dictator.. something must be wrong with them for not resisting such a tyrant.. of all the Iraqi people, they couldn’t find a decent human being to rule them?! They mused.. Need I say more as you cast your unflinching gaze upon the corridors of power in every western capital..
A ‘close collaborator’ of the west, in this context, really means they [the west] allow you to exist if it serves their interest. Enemy of the Free World means you do not serve the interests of the west. Simple as that. In both cases, the exalted West [really, only America as Europe have simply become vassal states to the former when it comes to foreign policy] does not give a rat’s ass about the internal affairs of that country.. I don’t think Saddam or Gaddafi were groomed by the CIA like Zelenskyy was, for example. But they ‘allowed’ them to exist and consolidate their power when it served America’s interests and were moved out of the way when they perceived them not to.. King Abdullah of Jordan and his father were close collaborators of the west and there is enough evidence for that. It’s not clear Saddam nor Gaddafi were.. both dictators had nationalised their oil industries, which was not in the interests of the west.
As for why the west has intellectually stunted grifters for leaders, it would be surprising if they didn’t.. the colonial mindset demands it. They’re not especially immune to irrationality just because they have had cultural/scientific revolutions, etc. just means they’re better at manufacturing consent and spin IMHO
well i dont know how far the nuclear war will spread, as far as targets, but in any case Canada is going to be close to groud zero, and it may not matter in any case.
AntiWar Movements - WE NEED ONE IMMEDIATELY! As recently heard in the Daniel Ellsberg Video about the most dangerous nukes the #ICBMs (use to loose is 10 minutes!!) he recommended the strategy of Moratorium (really a General Strike) - which in his opinion ended the Vietnam war - start with 1 day in the first month, next month 2 days, and next 3 days, there were 22 million people on the streets on strike! That is what young people need to do for THEIR FUTURE!
It is more or less at the end of this documentary (the whole thing is excellent of course - I love (loved) Daniel Ellsberg - so few are nowadays doing the right thing)
I am not sure if you mean me with yr comment. What I wanted to point out is the DANGER FOR ALL OUR EXTINCTION - which is getting more obvious fi the 'draft' which will go thru the 'houses' soon (which means prep for more US wars), the possible consequences of this new escalation (attack inside Russ) and Putin's 'last offer' (nobody of these morons cares - I wonder how long the patience of the Russians will hold), Gaza&Westbank seems also run along (with murder&theft) (I think MBS recently said ENOUGH, so who knows what they will do ...). I agree in the US people will not go in masses to demonstrate for peace, probably only when the bombs are falling and then it is too late ... On the other side there are a lot of INFORMED people around that are not HAPPY WITH ANYTHING happening in our 'rules based international order' so I AM HOPING with the election in November there will be a GENERAL STRIKE (this is also what Mr Nader often pointed out as well as Mr Hedges) or we are cooked anyway (as mentioned before, I am old, so what ...)
I was an active part of that international movement and I and my fellow nonviolent activists were in danger of facing long prison sentences when the Labor government was elected here in Australia and cancelled the draconian laws making it a crime to send money to the Vietnamese Red Cross. Much later we went to the war frontier in Iraq to protest the U S invasion. Now if we as an international movement don't act with the same determination we and our children are in dire danger of being shredded like Gazians and also becoming radio- active in a dying world .
" begin to emulate them" - they will as soon as draft is established. Just like back then. That generation wasn't any better and only stirred when their asses began being hauled. Such is human nature.
In fact, the 1960's anti-war movement was the first of such magnitude, and it aided substantially in making the Vietnam War unpopular enough to end it. Prior to the 1960's resistance to conscription was infrequent and of a private nature (hiding out in the woods during the Civil War). A movement is a serious threat to the power of the sociopathic narcissists who run the State. Ultimately, such persons do not want to be shown to be impotent, so the sooner they are challenged the better.
Many of the 1960's anti-war radicals were resisters who were ready to be imprisoned rather than kill for an unjust cause. Their human nature, and their view of human nature, was less cynical, i.e., better, than yours.
I truly pray none of this comes to pass. My generation got to figure out dying in the jungles of Vietnam lacked the “glory” of fighting for “freedom” in WWII. Now our coming of age generation is going to figure out fighting another super power is a lot different than playing Call of Duty. Like us, they will come to realize their life is potentially forfeit over a pack of lies. In the aftermath of the Vietnam War, I thought we were done with this. When the Berlin Wall fell had even more hope. Then the last 30 plus years told a different story, and was punctuated by Bush II declaring “there will never be another Vietnam” meaning the deep state will never allow the protests and truth of action that came from a war no Americans wanted. That said, there is still time to turn this around. Perhaps if there is a silver lining from the draft, it will wake up millions of youngsters to their new reality. One can only hope.
Imagine if young people took to the streets and protested congress sending $$$ to Ukraine.. if they jail them because they chant ‘free Palestine’ they would just outright nuke them for being ‘pro Putin’.. and they’d sic their rabid MSM on them..
Democrats refer to Biden like he's a lovable grandpa. He is a dangerous mofo who reminds me more of Reagan than any other US president. Both evil and diabolical with that grandpa smile.
I'm getting real sick of receiving ads of Biden telling me that democracy is on the line and if they don't get funding it will be over. Meanwhile I'm looking at testimony of kids being ripped apart while the US sends more weapons.
I thought Biden was that old man puppet of Jeff Dunham's. Someone has their hand(s) up behind him anyway. It's no coincidence Reagan acted with a trained chimp then went on to perform for a much larger audience. If Carl Weathers had run for governor we could've had half the cast of Predator helping run the country. Now we just have the one Predator, or was it half of all governments? Still no Epstein list. Zelensky, Elon Musk and other IMDB pages tell me this whole world's a stage in the worst production ever written.
How do all these leaders get so insane at the same time? I always think money and power is what motivates them, but the provocations and threats of using nuclear are just straight out nuts.
Capitalism needs to grow exponentially. We’re hitting the limits of the natural world now or soon. So the developed nations need to canibalize each other to keep growing.
The USA has made it clear that Europe doesn’t get energy without us, that there only choice is colonizing Asia, breaking and enslaving Russia and China, killing their people and using their resources.
Except doing that causes nuclear war. So either it’s massive depopulation, or it’s that events have moved beyond their control. The politicians are owned, the rich are extreme narcissists.
USA is a reactionary empire unwilling or unable to fathom its own decline. Unfortunately unlike an ailing grandmam clutching her pearls it will instead clutch nuclear weapons. It stumbled into the War of 1812, botched Korea and even more catastrophically invaded under false cause Vietnam and Iraq, but the so-called elite never learn or actually care. (Footnote: The country so represses its past and its deep foibles that the phrase "Best and Brightest" which was iconically ironic 50 years ago is now turned again and daily touted as corporate and government principle; plus ca change.)
I came to realize the Anglo-Zionist Empire of Lies and Hate is in decline trying to hold on to the "Rules Based International Order" and Wolfowitz Doctrine. Pax Americana is going the way of its mother Pax Britannia.
The solution is excising the cancers of the D Party, R Party and AIPAC. AIPAC is made up of Neocons and Zionists. AIPAC is the most powerful and influential lobby in DC and controls Congress. AIPAC is the Deep State. The members of AIPAC are easy to spot with their crossed 🇺🇸 and 🇮🇱 flag lapel pins. They hold cabinet positions. The Secretary of State, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Homeland Security, Director of the Department of Justice, the Vice President's husband and Senate Majority Leader are all Zionists. This is a good explanation for the situation on our Southern Border, out of control crime, corruption, Ukraine and Gaza.
It is run by venal lawyers and businessmen. Its vast resources are misspent on boondoggle weapons, vulgar luxuries, and the scam called insurance--to the neglect of general public health care, the environment, science and meaningful education. These the United States of Atrophy.
Sad truth: America is the bad guy, gaslighting all of its citizens. There is nothing "defensive" about what we are planning on doing in Ukraine. On the bright side, this could lead to a larger awakening in America, as I don't believe Generation Z has any taste for pointless wars (or their parents). People are also waking up about Israel. So, best case scenario is that we push back and revolt against our psychopathic ruling class
Stating the obvious but this marching to war is sheer madness. Basically, what it shows is an abject failure of the political class. These power hungry people are some of the "basest" of people....low IQ, lazy, but a few who are clever that guide the rest. They try to manipulate the sheeple and those that are actually productive. When all of their policies fail their last resort is take people to war. This is where we are. Fortunately, we are seeing those who are awake (not woke) trying to turn the tide around the world. Hopefully, we'll be able to correct things before the nukes start flying...yes, it is this serious. Pax
even sociopaths have an abiding interest in the welfare of one human being. these people, the delusion combined with psychopathy (i prefer the old word), i just can't...
I am one of the awakened you describe and I can't be the only one. It gives me hope. Bit by bit we are succeeding at poking holes in the Narrative. May the momentum build.
Nobody talks to each other in Political situations. They just go to war , especially USA who have sent many young people to Wars that should never have happened
they used to, though. empire's logic learned and eliminated the lines, but it's better not to engage in diplomacy with the us. there's always regret in the end.
I think nukes are defensive; they're deterrents and get out of wars cards. Provocation, propaganda and the draft are not defensive; they're aggressive, destructive and callous.
If I understand what you are saying correctly (apologies if not), then I would kind of agree about nukes being deterrents. But in the past, not now. The leaders of “the collective west” seem to be absolutely INSANE. They really don’t appear to care about a full-on nuclear war. I don’t know what to do, or what anyone else could do. A truly massive outpouring into the streets or something, maybe. Not millions, but tens of millions. Not even that, more like 200,000,000 or more. And I mean in the US, proportionate numbers in the other Five Eyes countries, Europe, etc. I don’t see how it’s going to happen. Most people I know of just seem to be sleepwalking through their daily lives. Sorry to go on so; if someone has any ideas, I’m listening …
The leaders in the West are indeed totally insane. However, just like they were not personally afraid of a deadly invisible virus, they aren't afraid of nukes either. When looking into the history of nuclear testing (same as looking into virology)- things look very, very fishy https://jowaller.substack.com/p/just-like-scary-contagions-and-911?utm_source=publication-search Nuclear power exists but involves making large amounts of steam from heating water. The aftermath of Hiroshima looks just like the aftermath of the firebombing of Tokyo. Testing always involved TNT controls.
Yes 200 million protesting people would help. But that would mean these people had already seen through the propaganda- which is the only weapon of mass destruction- so the battle would have already been won.
Wars that widow, orphan, mutilate, traumatise, blind, deafen, paralyse and decimate are what we're sleepwalking towards.
To keep shining the light on the insanity is, I guess, our path.
I am somewhat familiar with the idea that nuclear weapons are fake/don’t work. Interesting post at link. There is a novel with that as the plot element, “The Jesus Factor” by Edwin Corley, published in 1984 (link below). IIRC, the stationary test explosions worked, but they were not able to do so with portable bombs on planes or missiles. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were massive firebombings with radioactive material added, with a fake overflight by the Enola Gay. Something like that. It’s been a long time since I read it.
Believe me, I would love for it to be true, that they won’t work. I can’t prove that it isn’t true. I’m afraid we’re fast approaching the point where it will be the only thing that saves us.
If there is a nuclear war, some of the perpetrators might survive, as they have al kinds of resources and bunkers you might not imagine.
The general public in the west will not survive. There are no public bunkers other than rusting hulks from the 1950, 60', 70s.
- Going in there would be performance theatre as current nuclear weapons will basically vaporise huge areas and shockwaves and radiation would go into these old bunkers
- And they don't have capacity for everyone anyway. US population in 1970 was 200 million. Today it's well over 300 million. No new bunkers built in that time.
THOSE are the circumstance in which our "leaders" are threatening nuclear war. Its not a war on Russia, its a war on all of us.
There are neocon Zionist loonies in DC and a bunch of puppets strayed across NATO. Except for a couple like the one who got shot to send him a message. When Orban is the voice or rational and sane behaviour you know how far the idiocy has exploded.
nukes are both. i think the idea that Israel may go full batshit nuclear is part of their protection against military retaliation for the Nakba/genocide.
Democrats refer to Biden like he's a lovable grandpa. He is a dangerous mofo who reminds me more of Reagan than any other US president. Both evil and diabolical with that grandpa smile.
Don’t disagree totally, but Biden is WORSE than Reagan, and we are much worse off. Reagan had Kissinger as Secretary of State. As evil as Kissinger was, he did sometimes do actual diplomacy. We had nuclear arms limitation treaties, and we stuck to them, more or less. There was dialogue with the Soviet Union. Blinken will not even communicate directly with Lavrov, his Russian counterpart.
If you had told me 35 years ago that I would look back on the Reagan/Kissinger era of foreign policy as relatively sane, I would have said you were crazy! But compared to now, it was.
I’m sure he probably contributed to the mess. I’d have to refresh my memory on the specifics to be sure. But I think the mess in the Middle East was inevitable from actions taken long before Kissinger had any power, i.e., 1948. My point was about US-Soviet relations being slightly more sane than US-Russian relations now. The insanity now is 90 percent or more due to US positions and actions.
Nothing has ever enraged me more than the military draft. There could not be a more fundamental subversion of one’s civil liberty than to be denied by someone else the decision of whether to fight in a war, which is the decision about the cause one will risk one’s life for, and thus that is worth dying for. It is the nakedest act of tyranny there is, and the sheerest revelation that the general public is viewed by those holding power as nothing more than blunt instruments to be used to achieve their political goals.
This is to say nothing of the revolting nationalism that invariably accompanies the sanctimonious calls to “fight for one’s country” when the fight should be waged against those subverting individual and national sovereignty with forcible enlistment in a war (their war, not ours) that nobody wants except them and has nothing to do with defending the national territory. I once heard Chomsky say, “If we don’t have the right to live, then you don’t have the right to rule.” Indeed.
The necessary action which follows from this is not difficult to see. However, I am dismayed that few on the left seem to grasp this fact, not nearly to the same extent or with the same sense of urgency that the libertarians do, and those on the right more generally. Perhaps it would help to think of Billy Bud, the hapless, beautiful naif of Herman Melville who was physically forced by an aptly named “press gang” (they used to just come around to your house and kidnap you and force you to “serve” that way) onto the British naval ship that led him to his Christ-like fate.
Be that as it may, I have a 16-year old daughter and I am not going to let this happen to her.
These NATO jackasses need to be rounded up, herded into a room, knocked a few times over the head, then loaded onto a plane and dumped into shark-infested waters. And if people don't rise up, revolt, refuse, resist and stop this reckless warmongering, we'll all be in deep, deep shit!
Democrats refer to Biden like he's a lovable grandpa. He is a dangerous zionist who reminds me more of Reagan than any other US president. Both diabolical.
I think all politicians are Zionists, and that definitely includes Trump! Some people just refuse to see it. I voted for him twice! Never again, and that goes for anyone! I’m not a Republican or a Democrat, red or blue.
I’m an Earthling, and a soul having a human experience. I don’t want a part of any of this evil insanity!
Also worth contemplating: I tend to resist the popular notion that our ruling class elites are "incompetent" or "reckless" or "crazy." This perspective betrays a kind of old school, nationalist view of the world, but we live in a Globalist-ruled world and if we look at the application of the COVID bioweapons (vaccine and virus), the lockdowns, the dissemination of "woke," the migrant invasions, and the #ClimateChange nonsense, all of these trajectories are happening in the Western democracies, so this call to an insane war, just continues what seems to be an **intentional** destruction of Western Europe, the UK and America. I think it's time to really sit with the fact that there are larger forces trying to do us in and our government has been captured by them.
Please don't link anti vax with nwo! I oppose vaccines on scientific grounds ( there being no evidence for their necessity). The propaganda about a nwo conspiracy bent on depopulation and control using faked climate change that's put about by industry to protect free markets is not based on science nor on any logic whatsoever.
dude- scientists have proven there is a need for vaccines…. wtf?? nwo is also insane. i beleive there is a 1 percenter order tho. thats not the same. a new world order isnt possible. we dont get along. just the rich
A court just ruled that the Covid jabs are not vaccines because they don’t block infection and transmission. They are treatments and it’s why the definition of vaccines was changed just before they were released.
Yes, I'm glad you brought that up. To be more accurate scientists have proved that there's no evidence that vaccines ever were or are effective in improving outcomes.
The smallpox vaccine introduced in 1795 was accepted, but never proven, to be beneficial against the disease known as smallpox, which was actually eradicated by improvements in sanitation and child labour laws.
The story of Jenner and his predilection for city girls over countryside ones has become so embedded in our consciousness that questioning it and looking for the evidence for the necessity for vaccines is met with responses like yours. There is no evidence for vaccines and never was. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/lets-hope-the-monkey-pox-nonsense
This Carson person isn't a 'covid' denier, he implies that there was some sort of bioweapon 'virus' released from a lab. He has also fallen for the deliberately stirred fears of a migrant 'invasion' as well as being duped by industry funded climate crisis denials that protect free unregulated markets.
An intentional destruction of the West ie industry's biggest market and the deliberate promotion of the Global South, BRICS and multipolarity ie less power for Imperialist globalist elites by a 'larger force' is more nuts than believing that the neocons/elites/white western patriarchy can't bear to give up the power that they've been taught is their birth right and are taking us all down with them; which at least makes psychological sense.
Thank you, Gregor, for watching the forum re those conspirators. Please wear a mask responding to them. Or at the very least, wear a face expression of disgust.
It is abundantly obvious that the Russian leadership really does not want this war, while the United States sees this as contemptible weakness and smells blood. Russian reluctance to escalate only fuels American aggression.
Ukraine was possibly the poorest nation per cap. in Europe even before the war. It is now the undisputed heavyweight champ of poverty. Being corrupt and violent doesn't increase its charm.
Keep in mind that official Ukrainian GDP stats were based on tax revenues. Nobody in Ukraine (other than foreigners) paid taxes.
That guy in a Maybach? He is officially on Ukrainian minimum wage. He paid cash for that car. As in "he entered the dealership with a suitcase full of green cash."
My Lena, the corporate raider, she owned five or six apartment in Kiev. The cheapest of which was EUR 250000. All paid for in cash. "You've never really been nervous until you have taken a taxi and you have two suitcases with EUR 500000 in them in cash...." She didn't have a car. She didn't have a bank account, either.
Anyway, Russia reconstructed Ukraine before, and is reconstructing Donbass, so I am not sure what your point is.
Any young person in the US and Europe would be well advised to research the history of the anti-war movements of the 1960's and to begin to emulate them, for the sake of all humanity.
Grammy Joe and company will just tell them that not dying for America is racist.
Nuclear war is anti-racism
According Jens Quislingberg the NATO propagandist general, nuclear war is peace.
It’s not clear if he understands that it means eternal peace….. for the planet….. after all 8 billion humans are dead.
Out of billions of human intelligent beings on the planet, it’s idiots like this who are in the corridors of power claiming to represent us? How?
Funnily enough, they (read the civilised folk of the west) used to deride the Iraqis for allowing Saddam to be their dictator.. something must be wrong with them for not resisting such a tyrant.. of all the Iraqi people, they couldn’t find a decent human being to rule them?! They mused.. Need I say more as you cast your unflinching gaze upon the corridors of power in every western capital..
Saddam was a close collaborator of the west and they didn’t say that about him until he didn’t follow them.
Same story with Gaddafi too.
And Mugabe
And Noriega.
So the issue is not what the westerners say about other leaders.
The issue is why the west now has intellectually stunted grifters as “leaders”. All of them.
A ‘close collaborator’ of the west, in this context, really means they [the west] allow you to exist if it serves their interest. Enemy of the Free World means you do not serve the interests of the west. Simple as that. In both cases, the exalted West [really, only America as Europe have simply become vassal states to the former when it comes to foreign policy] does not give a rat’s ass about the internal affairs of that country.. I don’t think Saddam or Gaddafi were groomed by the CIA like Zelenskyy was, for example. But they ‘allowed’ them to exist and consolidate their power when it served America’s interests and were moved out of the way when they perceived them not to.. King Abdullah of Jordan and his father were close collaborators of the west and there is enough evidence for that. It’s not clear Saddam nor Gaddafi were.. both dictators had nationalised their oil industries, which was not in the interests of the west.
As for why the west has intellectually stunted grifters for leaders, it would be surprising if they didn’t.. the colonial mindset demands it. They’re not especially immune to irrationality just because they have had cultural/scientific revolutions, etc. just means they’re better at manufacturing consent and spin IMHO
How??....
DEMOCRACY !!!
What else ??...
What Democracy?
Nancy Pelosis' and Zionist's kind of democracy ...
Nuclear war is anti everything.
A total end to abortion!
a total end to anyone who needs an abortion or anyone who contributes to a pregnancy
Young person? I'd get the hell out of there. I did, twenty one years ago.
Yep. Canada here they come.
Canada will be no safe haven from a NATO conflict. Every Canadian leader is committed to kissing USA's ass.
Although Trudeau's penchant for Nazis may mean they jump from frying pan to fire.
well i dont know how far the nuclear war will spread, as far as targets, but in any case Canada is going to be close to groud zero, and it may not matter in any case.
I've been listening to music from that era and it's playing constantly at my American Legion and AMVETS Posts. I agree with you Jim.
AntiWar Movements - WE NEED ONE IMMEDIATELY! As recently heard in the Daniel Ellsberg Video about the most dangerous nukes the #ICBMs (use to loose is 10 minutes!!) he recommended the strategy of Moratorium (really a General Strike) - which in his opinion ended the Vietnam war - start with 1 day in the first month, next month 2 days, and next 3 days, there were 22 million people on the streets on strike! That is what young people need to do for THEIR FUTURE!
I love it. Do you have a link?
It is more or less at the end of this documentary (the whole thing is excellent of course - I love (loved) Daniel Ellsberg - so few are nowadays doing the right thing)
https://defusenuclearwar.org/a-common-insanity/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=d6dce006-b803-4174-82f8-e6b04dfacf04
The masses have been pro war in Ukraine. How are the same people going to make an anti-war-in-Ukraine movement?
I am not sure if you mean me with yr comment. What I wanted to point out is the DANGER FOR ALL OUR EXTINCTION - which is getting more obvious fi the 'draft' which will go thru the 'houses' soon (which means prep for more US wars), the possible consequences of this new escalation (attack inside Russ) and Putin's 'last offer' (nobody of these morons cares - I wonder how long the patience of the Russians will hold), Gaza&Westbank seems also run along (with murder&theft) (I think MBS recently said ENOUGH, so who knows what they will do ...). I agree in the US people will not go in masses to demonstrate for peace, probably only when the bombs are falling and then it is too late ... On the other side there are a lot of INFORMED people around that are not HAPPY WITH ANYTHING happening in our 'rules based international order' so I AM HOPING with the election in November there will be a GENERAL STRIKE (this is also what Mr Nader often pointed out as well as Mr Hedges) or we are cooked anyway (as mentioned before, I am old, so what ...)
I was an active part of that international movement and I and my fellow nonviolent activists were in danger of facing long prison sentences when the Labor government was elected here in Australia and cancelled the draconian laws making it a crime to send money to the Vietnamese Red Cross. Much later we went to the war frontier in Iraq to protest the U S invasion. Now if we as an international movement don't act with the same determination we and our children are in dire danger of being shredded like Gazians and also becoming radio- active in a dying world .
" begin to emulate them" - they will as soon as draft is established. Just like back then. That generation wasn't any better and only stirred when their asses began being hauled. Such is human nature.
In fact, the 1960's anti-war movement was the first of such magnitude, and it aided substantially in making the Vietnam War unpopular enough to end it. Prior to the 1960's resistance to conscription was infrequent and of a private nature (hiding out in the woods during the Civil War). A movement is a serious threat to the power of the sociopathic narcissists who run the State. Ultimately, such persons do not want to be shown to be impotent, so the sooner they are challenged the better.
Many of the 1960's anti-war radicals were resisters who were ready to be imprisoned rather than kill for an unjust cause. Their human nature, and their view of human nature, was less cynical, i.e., better, than yours.
When you talk to the average citizen, as did a local station in Detroit, about the draft, all responded with a “hell no.” Except for one old guy.
Americans are sick and tired of wars, but the war machine keeps warring.
Hi Catherine
I could get behind a draft that only applied to the children/grandchildren of members of Congress 😁
And those peaceniks of yesteryear are the ones now bemoaning the campus protests against the zionazis..
Not necessarily true, Diana. I am growing a bit tired of folks (not necessarily you, mind you) trashing us Boomers for being “uninvolved”.
I know a great many Vietnam vets; not one is pro-war/genocide.
The only pro-war men I know served in the military, but were not involved in battle.
And former hippies like myself ( once a hippie, always a hippie) have, me included, protested every war since and including Vietnam.
It’s the powerful that hold the blame, propped up by the likes of the MIC. Not us ordinary citizens, Boomers or otherwise.
Well said, and count me in! Thank you for your service to world peace.
Yep. Since they're past draft eligibility. Such is their superior human nature.
Kind words backed by a gun are much more effective than words alone.
When rich kids started being pulled that's when their "superior" human nature kicked into high gear. In your parlance, became "better than mine".
I truly pray none of this comes to pass. My generation got to figure out dying in the jungles of Vietnam lacked the “glory” of fighting for “freedom” in WWII. Now our coming of age generation is going to figure out fighting another super power is a lot different than playing Call of Duty. Like us, they will come to realize their life is potentially forfeit over a pack of lies. In the aftermath of the Vietnam War, I thought we were done with this. When the Berlin Wall fell had even more hope. Then the last 30 plus years told a different story, and was punctuated by Bush II declaring “there will never be another Vietnam” meaning the deep state will never allow the protests and truth of action that came from a war no Americans wanted. That said, there is still time to turn this around. Perhaps if there is a silver lining from the draft, it will wake up millions of youngsters to their new reality. One can only hope.
They've risen to the occasion over Gaza. I'm very encouraged by the "TikTok generation."
Amen Jim. I used the Vietnam example for why this is such a bad idea ...
https://open.substack.com/pub/doc115/p/feral-congress-stabs-18-26-year-old?r=18tk5o&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
The Senate needs to hear some outrage.
Best of luck, friend ~~ j ~~
Imagine if young people took to the streets and protested congress sending $$$ to Ukraine.. if they jail them because they chant ‘free Palestine’ they would just outright nuke them for being ‘pro Putin’.. and they’d sic their rabid MSM on them..
Democrats refer to Biden like he's a lovable grandpa. He is a dangerous mofo who reminds me more of Reagan than any other US president. Both evil and diabolical with that grandpa smile.
Biden is evil, but nothing…. He is maintained by handlers.
Agreed. Biden is just a face on a camera.
I'm getting real sick of receiving ads of Biden telling me that democracy is on the line and if they don't get funding it will be over. Meanwhile I'm looking at testimony of kids being ripped apart while the US sends more weapons.
I second that emotion. I've marked all Democrat campaign emails and calls as spam. I will never forgive them.
Yeah, like Warren Buffett.
I thought Biden was that old man puppet of Jeff Dunham's. Someone has their hand(s) up behind him anyway. It's no coincidence Reagan acted with a trained chimp then went on to perform for a much larger audience. If Carl Weathers had run for governor we could've had half the cast of Predator helping run the country. Now we just have the one Predator, or was it half of all governments? Still no Epstein list. Zelensky, Elon Musk and other IMDB pages tell me this whole world's a stage in the worst production ever written.
Whatsa mofo?
motherfucker.
THANKS FOR GETTING ME UP TO SPEED!
No worries.
I should have guessed that!
How do all these leaders get so insane at the same time? I always think money and power is what motivates them, but the provocations and threats of using nuclear are just straight out nuts.
Capitalism needs to grow exponentially. We’re hitting the limits of the natural world now or soon. So the developed nations need to canibalize each other to keep growing.
The USA has made it clear that Europe doesn’t get energy without us, that there only choice is colonizing Asia, breaking and enslaving Russia and China, killing their people and using their resources.
Except doing that causes nuclear war. So either it’s massive depopulation, or it’s that events have moved beyond their control. The politicians are owned, the rich are extreme narcissists.
Well, as I have come to think of our current/cy empire, it's profits, and prophets, all the way down.
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USA is a reactionary empire unwilling or unable to fathom its own decline. Unfortunately unlike an ailing grandmam clutching her pearls it will instead clutch nuclear weapons. It stumbled into the War of 1812, botched Korea and even more catastrophically invaded under false cause Vietnam and Iraq, but the so-called elite never learn or actually care. (Footnote: The country so represses its past and its deep foibles that the phrase "Best and Brightest" which was iconically ironic 50 years ago is now turned again and daily touted as corporate and government principle; plus ca change.)
I came to realize the Anglo-Zionist Empire of Lies and Hate is in decline trying to hold on to the "Rules Based International Order" and Wolfowitz Doctrine. Pax Americana is going the way of its mother Pax Britannia.
The solution is excising the cancers of the D Party, R Party and AIPAC. AIPAC is made up of Neocons and Zionists. AIPAC is the most powerful and influential lobby in DC and controls Congress. AIPAC is the Deep State. The members of AIPAC are easy to spot with their crossed 🇺🇸 and 🇮🇱 flag lapel pins. They hold cabinet positions. The Secretary of State, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Homeland Security, Director of the Department of Justice, the Vice President's husband and Senate Majority Leader are all Zionists. This is a good explanation for the situation on our Southern Border, out of control crime, corruption, Ukraine and Gaza.
The difference is that they will without hesitation annihilate us all rather than admit the loss of their power.
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It is run by venal lawyers and businessmen. Its vast resources are misspent on boondoggle weapons, vulgar luxuries, and the scam called insurance--to the neglect of general public health care, the environment, science and meaningful education. These the United States of Atrophy.
united states of deterioration
One sadly hopes.
Sad truth: America is the bad guy, gaslighting all of its citizens. There is nothing "defensive" about what we are planning on doing in Ukraine. On the bright side, this could lead to a larger awakening in America, as I don't believe Generation Z has any taste for pointless wars (or their parents). People are also waking up about Israel. So, best case scenario is that we push back and revolt against our psychopathic ruling class
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Stating the obvious but this marching to war is sheer madness. Basically, what it shows is an abject failure of the political class. These power hungry people are some of the "basest" of people....low IQ, lazy, but a few who are clever that guide the rest. They try to manipulate the sheeple and those that are actually productive. When all of their policies fail their last resort is take people to war. This is where we are. Fortunately, we are seeing those who are awake (not woke) trying to turn the tide around the world. Hopefully, we'll be able to correct things before the nukes start flying...yes, it is this serious. Pax
They are not stupid at all. They are sociopaths.
Point taken 👍
even sociopaths have an abiding interest in the welfare of one human being. these people, the delusion combined with psychopathy (i prefer the old word), i just can't...
I am one of the awakened you describe and I can't be the only one. It gives me hope. Bit by bit we are succeeding at poking holes in the Narrative. May the momentum build.
Nobody talks to each other in Political situations. They just go to war , especially USA who have sent many young people to Wars that should never have happened
Yes, thousands of our young soldiers died in vain
Not to mention the tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians we slaughtered.
Agree
Millions.
they used to, though. empire's logic learned and eliminated the lines, but it's better not to engage in diplomacy with the us. there's always regret in the end.
I think nukes are defensive; they're deterrents and get out of wars cards. Provocation, propaganda and the draft are not defensive; they're aggressive, destructive and callous.
If I understand what you are saying correctly (apologies if not), then I would kind of agree about nukes being deterrents. But in the past, not now. The leaders of “the collective west” seem to be absolutely INSANE. They really don’t appear to care about a full-on nuclear war. I don’t know what to do, or what anyone else could do. A truly massive outpouring into the streets or something, maybe. Not millions, but tens of millions. Not even that, more like 200,000,000 or more. And I mean in the US, proportionate numbers in the other Five Eyes countries, Europe, etc. I don’t see how it’s going to happen. Most people I know of just seem to be sleepwalking through their daily lives. Sorry to go on so; if someone has any ideas, I’m listening …
The leaders in the West are indeed totally insane. However, just like they were not personally afraid of a deadly invisible virus, they aren't afraid of nukes either. When looking into the history of nuclear testing (same as looking into virology)- things look very, very fishy https://jowaller.substack.com/p/just-like-scary-contagions-and-911?utm_source=publication-search Nuclear power exists but involves making large amounts of steam from heating water. The aftermath of Hiroshima looks just like the aftermath of the firebombing of Tokyo. Testing always involved TNT controls.
Yes 200 million protesting people would help. But that would mean these people had already seen through the propaganda- which is the only weapon of mass destruction- so the battle would have already been won.
Wars that widow, orphan, mutilate, traumatise, blind, deafen, paralyse and decimate are what we're sleepwalking towards.
To keep shining the light on the insanity is, I guess, our path.
(Book plot spoiler alert in comment)
I am somewhat familiar with the idea that nuclear weapons are fake/don’t work. Interesting post at link. There is a novel with that as the plot element, “The Jesus Factor” by Edwin Corley, published in 1984 (link below). IIRC, the stationary test explosions worked, but they were not able to do so with portable bombs on planes or missiles. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were massive firebombings with radioactive material added, with a fake overflight by the Enola Gay. Something like that. It’s been a long time since I read it.
Believe me, I would love for it to be true, that they won’t work. I can’t prove that it isn’t true. I’m afraid we’re fast approaching the point where it will be the only thing that saves us.
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Factor-Edwin-Corley/dp/0812881044/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3IC7ROGJM4J3U&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.sz81p5jr1Pmwf36IfuydFOQbTgu_NskctZ-JUOSZqa_a2jwisWuzaIgP1s-ouhnNiA2ZJlTUdm0bU3qC1m8chx48Yvrz8Cvhnbjqmdyc0EbEE7O5YpGwhzRB3FTcHo2y5F3cz5UfdzOfORRJ9RCt87HGybyXdsOVxplcBMbNlApdRK1n-aqVaxr864ACwNPikFjIZOaV0ybb_xHL2LIv36eoFJtGdC80m5sZXkQpEgE.N5jAoJxlmAPjv7scUgCaOOV7y_X-fVCs82rYHtlMBg8&dib_tag=se&keywords=The+Jesus+factor&qid=1718724844&sprefix=the+jesus+factor%2Caps%2C88&sr=8-3
I had heard something previously about this! Very interesting for a “conspiracy theorist” like me! 👍
there have been a lot of nuclear tests, in Nevada for example. a lot of sheep and and a number of movie stars died eventually from that.
The nuclear weapons we have now make Hiroshima look like a firecracker
Is there evidence for that? Or is just like saying the next pandemic is going to be even worse?
There was no pandemic. It was a psychological operation. Brainwashing at its’ finest (and quite a bit of monetary benefit).
Correct a mundo Renee.
Yes. See, e.g.
https://weapons.substack.com/p/why-is-nato-expanding-its-nuclear?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1159397&post_id=145728965&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1cc3o&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
? What it says in the Telegraph is not evidence. I meant evidence of their explosive and destructive capacity as displayed in tests.
Of course. They'll be holed up in their bunkers, and the hell with the rest of us.
Ever seen "Don't Look Up!"?
If there is a nuclear war, some of the perpetrators might survive, as they have al kinds of resources and bunkers you might not imagine.
The general public in the west will not survive. There are no public bunkers other than rusting hulks from the 1950, 60', 70s.
- Going in there would be performance theatre as current nuclear weapons will basically vaporise huge areas and shockwaves and radiation would go into these old bunkers
- And they don't have capacity for everyone anyway. US population in 1970 was 200 million. Today it's well over 300 million. No new bunkers built in that time.
THOSE are the circumstance in which our "leaders" are threatening nuclear war. Its not a war on Russia, its a war on all of us.
Of course. Remember "Dr. Strangelove"?
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seems like a world it would not be worth living in, but that's from my perspective. and yeah they are declaring war on us.
Or 2012? When I saw that film, it was pretty clear a description of what TPTB had in mind for them, and for us.
Can't say I ever heard of it.
You mean the movie where those bunkers proved utterly useless as the world was destroyed?
We won't be around to find out.
It totally agree and it's terrifying to contemplate and feel so impotent to do anything about it.
There is no collective west.
There are neocon Zionist loonies in DC and a bunch of puppets strayed across NATO. Except for a couple like the one who got shot to send him a message. When Orban is the voice or rational and sane behaviour you know how far the idiocy has exploded.
Nuclear weapons are disgusting displays of bruised egos and small dick energy. Nuclear weapons should be eradicated from this earth
Yes! 100%
Nuclear power on the other hand, fantastic stuff that needs to be widespread across the world.
YES
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes. Freemasonic President destroying Catholic cities
nukes are both. i think the idea that Israel may go full batshit nuclear is part of their protection against military retaliation for the Nakba/genocide.
Democrats refer to Biden like he's a lovable grandpa. He is a dangerous mofo who reminds me more of Reagan than any other US president. Both evil and diabolical with that grandpa smile.
Don’t disagree totally, but Biden is WORSE than Reagan, and we are much worse off. Reagan had Kissinger as Secretary of State. As evil as Kissinger was, he did sometimes do actual diplomacy. We had nuclear arms limitation treaties, and we stuck to them, more or less. There was dialogue with the Soviet Union. Blinken will not even communicate directly with Lavrov, his Russian counterpart.
If you had told me 35 years ago that I would look back on the Reagan/Kissinger era of foreign policy as relatively sane, I would have said you were crazy! But compared to now, it was.
Kissinger himself recently denounced US foreign policy.
there are so many books and articles on kissengers actual attempts to fracture the Middle east and alienate the palestinians. https://merip.org/1981/05/kissinger-memorandum-to-isolate-the-palestinians/
the policy he made
kissenger was a war mongering criminal. Plus he was Nixons Sec of stare, not Reagans- that was George Schuultz.
This is 110% true, but he was also obsessed with the 'status quo' and maintaining it.
The current US foreign policy is the same as his advice, but without the obsession attached. So basically just insane.
kissenger is literally why the middle east is all fucked up.
I’m sure he probably contributed to the mess. I’d have to refresh my memory on the specifics to be sure. But I think the mess in the Middle East was inevitable from actions taken long before Kissinger had any power, i.e., 1948. My point was about US-Soviet relations being slightly more sane than US-Russian relations now. The insanity now is 90 percent or more due to US positions and actions.
check out how he manipulated russia and syria and egypt during the 18 day war and then did this. there are multiple books written on kissengers duplicity. https://merip.org/1981/05/kissinger-memorandum-to-isolate-the-palestinians/
Nothing has ever enraged me more than the military draft. There could not be a more fundamental subversion of one’s civil liberty than to be denied by someone else the decision of whether to fight in a war, which is the decision about the cause one will risk one’s life for, and thus that is worth dying for. It is the nakedest act of tyranny there is, and the sheerest revelation that the general public is viewed by those holding power as nothing more than blunt instruments to be used to achieve their political goals.
This is to say nothing of the revolting nationalism that invariably accompanies the sanctimonious calls to “fight for one’s country” when the fight should be waged against those subverting individual and national sovereignty with forcible enlistment in a war (their war, not ours) that nobody wants except them and has nothing to do with defending the national territory. I once heard Chomsky say, “If we don’t have the right to live, then you don’t have the right to rule.” Indeed.
The necessary action which follows from this is not difficult to see. However, I am dismayed that few on the left seem to grasp this fact, not nearly to the same extent or with the same sense of urgency that the libertarians do, and those on the right more generally. Perhaps it would help to think of Billy Bud, the hapless, beautiful naif of Herman Melville who was physically forced by an aptly named “press gang” (they used to just come around to your house and kidnap you and force you to “serve” that way) onto the British naval ship that led him to his Christ-like fate.
Be that as it may, I have a 16-year old daughter and I am not going to let this happen to her.
Do not see how draft is different from slavery. Actually, way worse as you are supposed to give your life away for your master
Pretty much, given the US government now is so corrupted by the deep state and wallstreet, it is a democracy in name only.
Hey Red, I am trying to get folks to voice their outrage at this towards the Senate, which is now considering the bill ...
https://open.substack.com/pub/doc115/p/feral-congress-stabs-18-26-year-old?r=18tk5o&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Maybe if enough of us scream at them, they will strip the amendment.
What do you think?
~~ j ~~
Looks good to me, and it might work if the opposition is organized like this. Thanks for posting it, and let’s keep it circulating.
These NATO jackasses need to be rounded up, herded into a room, knocked a few times over the head, then loaded onto a plane and dumped into shark-infested waters. And if people don't rise up, revolt, refuse, resist and stop this reckless warmongering, we'll all be in deep, deep shit!
>>"dumped into shark-infested waters"
I think the sharks might get an upset stomach and puke out these jackasses. :)
We need to hurl them into outer space...(and hope they hit and take out some of Musk's satellites on their journey to outer space) :)
Really!!
Democrats refer to Biden like he's a lovable grandpa. He is a dangerous zionist who reminds me more of Reagan than any other US president. Both diabolical.
I think all politicians are Zionists, and that definitely includes Trump! Some people just refuse to see it. I voted for him twice! Never again, and that goes for anyone! I’m not a Republican or a Democrat, red or blue.
I’m an Earthling, and a soul having a human experience. I don’t want a part of any of this evil insanity!
Also worth contemplating: I tend to resist the popular notion that our ruling class elites are "incompetent" or "reckless" or "crazy." This perspective betrays a kind of old school, nationalist view of the world, but we live in a Globalist-ruled world and if we look at the application of the COVID bioweapons (vaccine and virus), the lockdowns, the dissemination of "woke," the migrant invasions, and the #ClimateChange nonsense, all of these trajectories are happening in the Western democracies, so this call to an insane war, just continues what seems to be an **intentional** destruction of Western Europe, the UK and America. I think it's time to really sit with the fact that there are larger forces trying to do us in and our government has been captured by them.
Indeed, Sir.
When people resort to name calling, it generally means they do not have reasonable arguments to support their disagreement.
It’s called free speech. Remember the term “free speech”?
calling someone a conspiracy theorist is ‘name calling’? ok the
i agree with a lot that caitlyn writes. but it seems the anti vax/ nwo crowd do too. do i need a tin foil hat to avoid the jewish space lasers?
Please don't link anti vax with nwo! I oppose vaccines on scientific grounds ( there being no evidence for their necessity). The propaganda about a nwo conspiracy bent on depopulation and control using faked climate change that's put about by industry to protect free markets is not based on science nor on any logic whatsoever.
dude- scientists have proven there is a need for vaccines…. wtf?? nwo is also insane. i beleive there is a 1 percenter order tho. thats not the same. a new world order isnt possible. we dont get along. just the rich
A court just ruled that the Covid jabs are not vaccines because they don’t block infection and transmission. They are treatments and it’s why the definition of vaccines was changed just before they were released.
Yes, I'm glad you brought that up. To be more accurate scientists have proved that there's no evidence that vaccines ever were or are effective in improving outcomes.
The smallpox vaccine introduced in 1795 was accepted, but never proven, to be beneficial against the disease known as smallpox, which was actually eradicated by improvements in sanitation and child labour laws.
The story of Jenner and his predilection for city girls over countryside ones has become so embedded in our consciousness that questioning it and looking for the evidence for the necessity for vaccines is met with responses like yours. There is no evidence for vaccines and never was. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/lets-hope-the-monkey-pox-nonsense
The measles vaccine was introduced in 1968 by which time 'measles' deaths had plummeted. Unjustly claiming benefits and altering diagnostic criteria are just 2 ways that pharma and regulation made drugs look effective when they're not. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/how-power-couple-pharma-regulation?utm_source=publication-search
Yes, the 1% mostly US western elites currently call the shots. But not for much longer.
Oh, quite the contrary! We are already “victims” of the NWO, which is QUITE apparent throughout the world.
And, I’m also an anti-“vaxxer”.
You're already wearing it. It's just invisible to you.
invisible tinfoil? neat!
This Carson person isn't a 'covid' denier, he implies that there was some sort of bioweapon 'virus' released from a lab. He has also fallen for the deliberately stirred fears of a migrant 'invasion' as well as being duped by industry funded climate crisis denials that protect free unregulated markets.
An intentional destruction of the West ie industry's biggest market and the deliberate promotion of the Global South, BRICS and multipolarity ie less power for Imperialist globalist elites by a 'larger force' is more nuts than believing that the neocons/elites/white western patriarchy can't bear to give up the power that they've been taught is their birth right and are taking us all down with them; which at least makes psychological sense.
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Thank you, Gregor, for watching the forum re those conspirators. Please wear a mask responding to them. Or at the very least, wear a face expression of disgust.
It is abundantly obvious that the Russian leadership really does not want this war, while the United States sees this as contemptible weakness and smells blood. Russian reluctance to escalate only fuels American aggression.
WWIII is baked in the cake.
The USA is trying to provoke Russia into occupying all of Ukraine. Ukr is a huge liability, and the USA doesn't want to help pay to rebuild it.
I don't see though that Russia would ever do it. They can't afford to make such a lousy investment.
If you are concerned about an insurgency, don't be.
The one thing all successful insurgencies have in common is a young population. Yemen, Vietnam. Zimbabwe, Afghanistan. Lots of young people.
The median age in Yemen in 19. The median age in Ukraine was over 40, and that before the war.
This is just another retcon made to excuse Russian indecision.
Ukraine was possibly the poorest nation per cap. in Europe even before the war. It is now the undisputed heavyweight champ of poverty. Being corrupt and violent doesn't increase its charm.
Keep in mind that official Ukrainian GDP stats were based on tax revenues. Nobody in Ukraine (other than foreigners) paid taxes.
That guy in a Maybach? He is officially on Ukrainian minimum wage. He paid cash for that car. As in "he entered the dealership with a suitcase full of green cash."
My Lena, the corporate raider, she owned five or six apartment in Kiev. The cheapest of which was EUR 250000. All paid for in cash. "You've never really been nervous until you have taken a taxi and you have two suitcases with EUR 500000 in them in cash...." She didn't have a car. She didn't have a bank account, either.
Anyway, Russia reconstructed Ukraine before, and is reconstructing Donbass, so I am not sure what your point is.
https://science1arts2and3politics.substack.com/p/why-russia-doesnt-want-to-conquer
An awful lot of "I say". If Russian can afford a war, they probably can afford reconstruction.
That’s because Americans have not known war at home in almost a century, while the world was tearing itself apart.
agree, Putin is the only adult in the room
Thank You Caitlin
This is of course totally insane. And vey frightening. I wake up in fear everyday now. They don’t appear to understand the end game.