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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Marginalized or ignored. I've tried, as a last desperate measure, to quote Gandhi to my no-fly-zone acquaintances -- an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind -- but they don't want to hear it. And ever since I played cowboys and Indians as young boy, I've always felt this blood lust in American culture. First on a gut level, then in my face during Vietnam. And ever since; it always seems to be lurking there under the surface. Very sad.

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Feral Finster's avatar

It is very hard for spoiled children not to be able to get their way. "But Daddy, I want it! DADDY, I WANT it! I! WANT! IT!"

The United States is that spoiled child.

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Frances Leader's avatar

There is so much more to this conflict.....

Dilyana Gaytandzhieva first impressed me a few years ago when she found diplomatic flights carrying highly suspect materials into the middle eastern war zones.

"The US Army regularly produces deadly viruses, bacteria & toxins in direct violation of the UN Convention on the prohibition of Biological Weapons. Hundreds of thousands of unwitting people are systematically exposed to dangerous pathogens & other incurable diseases. Bio warfare scientists using diplomatic cover test man-made viruses at Pentagon bio laboratories in 25 countries across the world. These US bio-laboratories are located in former USSR countries such as Georgia & Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia & Africa."

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/us-wmd-labs-in-ukraine?s=w

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Boris Petrov's avatar

Sudden withdrawal from Afghanistan was to focus on NATO trap in Ukraine for Putin – a repeat of Brzezinski’s approach of “financing and arming resistance” that created Al Qaeda.

- The 2014 US coup against democratically elected Ukraine government,

- Russia-gate immense and “lunatic” hoax concocted by Deep State and St. Obama, Biden and Hillary, and

- NATO relentless expansion, including into Ukraine and Georgia

All three are VERY closely connected and components of US bipartisan War party strategy for continuing US world dominance. US will fight to the last Ukrainian to weaken capitalist Russia and its alliance with China.

The SAME lying team and key psychopathic players. Remember militaristic bipartisan funeral of John McCain who endorsed Nazi-units in Ukraine.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

I'd be willing to hate Putin, - like everybody else, just for the fun of it, if anyone can name a world figure that is less corrupt, less blood-thirsty. The fact is, you can't blame mass murder on Putin, it just isn't on his record, unlike that of almost any Western leader you can name. And either Western leaders are all being paid off, or they are delusional. Or maybe there is a subtle reason for their strange, zombie-like behaviour that I just can't grasp.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

"Or maybe there is a subtle reason for their strange, zombie-like behaviour "

The Oligarchy owns them.

I don't get why this isn't as obvious as black and white.

People always talk about it, but in such roundabout ways that it is more like they are excusing it rather than noting it.

There are just over 600 billionaires in the US, where the government serves the Oligarchy.

In Russia and China, the Oligarchy serves the government.

China has eliminated extreme poverty.

In the USA, poverty is increasing.

Why? The Oligarchy. You know it. It is obvious. What are you going to do about it?

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Alexander's avatar

OK the "close the sky"demonstration is the most terrifying thing I've seen in my lifetime (not counting archival footage of Nazi rallies that were filmed before I was born.) Does anyone know who organized such an insane event?

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Maureen  Thompson's avatar

Thanks for the reality check. Pow!

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june tenth's avatar

the US bombing and invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq was wildly popular in the US too. at least for a while. while people thought they would benefit from it somehow. i may not live to see the complete end of this fucking empire, but i'm sure and glad that the empire is on a down slope and this blood lust is only accelerating the process.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

"World War 2, the one war that the US can justify having entered into eighty years ago,"

Really? Was the US justified in entering WWII? I guess that all depends on whether or not one thinks the war stared on 7 Dec. I'm beginning to think -- not.

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june tenth's avatar

don't dare ask "why" Hitler was so popular.

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David Ryan's avatar

I would have thought by now Americans would wake up and see what is happening, instead I've been shunned for attempting to explain what is really going on yet no one gives a fuck, instead they follow the war mongers whether Democrat's or Republicans.

I personally hate the country I was born and raised in America. I live in California but wish I were in another country that respects life more than America. This makes me hate myself because I can't do enough to stop the madness. I don't care what color or what nationality you are this has no dependency on anything other than plain common sense.

Thank you for your message thread's at least I believe there are others with a sane perspective on this issue. For the rest that disagree fuck them.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Yes, this is the point that I make in my new YT: Yanis Varoufakis is Naive on Ukraine. I quote from three of Caitlin's newsletters (posting her link in the description). I ask who really is the aggressor and quote 19 Western analysts who have warned of this for years. I look at sovereignty without the right of secession (Donbass) as being like marriage without the right of divorce. And I ask, if someone's pointing a gun at you, do they need to pull the trigger before you can call it defense? I'm also linking a Michael Hudson article you might find interesting, that came out after my YT on him.

Yanis Varoufakis is Naive on Ukraine: https://youtu.be/mYaPiQBdteQ

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/08/the-american-empire-self-destructs-but-nobody-thought-that-it-would-happen-this-fast/

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Starry Gordon's avatar

Hudson is correct, but only a small minority of humans are capable of reason and of learning from experience. Perhaps their brains are too big and the ability to imagine fantasies outweighs their life experiences. Dog and cats do better.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Speaking as a cat, I agree regarding feline superiority.

I just don't think that many humans are open to the experience.

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Riff McClavin's avatar

If this doesn't underscore the gaping madness between our citizenry and our political class, nothing else will accomplish the task. Voting certainly won't change a thing. And Russians are in the exact same canoe. We either try something else entirely, or allow ourselves to be pushed off a very well designed cliff while vaguely remembering something about COVID restrictions.

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Saul Boutme's avatar

I insist we continue the COVID-19 hype. I haven't even taken down the decorations yet!!

Seriously though, the place I live is still clinging to masks and the get-your-jabs, like Linus and his disease ridden blanket.

We in Washington State are closer to Russia than most, but they don't think about that when they poke the stick into that bear's den. Boeing makes a shit-ton on military contracts, but that is not reason enough to push for World War Three.

Hell, on a low tide, they could almost walk over to Alaska.

"What a stupid son of a bitch"

Gardening season is upon us and that surely will beckon my focus.

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Jeck's avatar

Good one

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John Watson's avatar

America's entry into World War 2 began not with Pearl Harbor but with crippling sanctions placed upon Japan for their brutal rampage through China and it seems this tactic of crippling sanctions will also become America's entry into World War 3

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skylab!'s avatar

that was quite a tour de force, i am glad someone has an alternative view about which side to take.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

In light of the ever-changing news out of Ukraine, the global misinformation and disinformation campaigns one must heed Rene Descartes admonishment, to question everything!

In that vein I submit to you and your readers a significant and insightful voice from the past. Alexandr Solzhenistyn, Soviet dissident who documented the rise of the Soviet state, collectivist authoritarianism imposed on an unwitting people. The methods of deception and ruses designed to keep the truth and reality of the agenda of a ruling, self-imagined elite from those they considered to be the ignorant masses. The Gulag Archipelago he penned shares his stories and lessons to future readers. For us to read and re-read today if it has been a long time since you first read it.

Solzhenistyn gave many prominent interviews in west after his release from the gulags. Among them was a fascinating one with Forbes magazine in 1994.

https://www.forbes.com/2008/08/05/solzhenitsyn-forbes-interview-oped-cx_pm_0804russia.html

In this interview he had this to say that acquires relevance given the developments of today:

AS: "If one looks far into the future, one can foresee in the 21st century such a time when the U.S. together with Europe will be in dire need of Russia as an ally.

PK: "That is a puzzling assertion."

AS: "It is puzzling only for those who don't look into the future and do not see what kind of new powers are arising in the world."

Note: Just three years earlier in 1991 was when Pres. George HW Bush gave his "New World Order" speech. The same term used by the WEF's Klaus Schwab, synonymous with The Great Reset/UN Agenda 2030. The same term used by leaders across the western democracies, politicians, corporatists, the Deputy PM of Ukraine's own declaration of what she is fighting for. And the US Assistant Secretary of State just admitted that the US runs bioweapon labs in Ukraine...just like in Wuhan, China. That the WEF has celebrated the release of Covid as a great opportunity to "Reset" the world in the wake of its man-imposed destruction of freedom in the US and western liberal democracies. That Fauci and Biden tell us to forget about, is selfish and dangerous.

Solzhenistyn also gave this interview to the New York Times in 2007, where he spoke of Russia and Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/world/europe/23spiegel.html

To understand the present, the agendas and conflicts in order to make our way through the fog of war, the fog of misinformation and disinformation we must understand what the voices of history have told us. Because, to paraphrase Solzhenistyn, it is only puzzling for those who don't look into the past and so they do not see what kind of new powers are arising in the world today.

Milton Mayer, another historian who's voice from the past tells us how evil arose seemingly under the noses of ordinary Germans in the 1930's in his book, "They Thought They Were Free." Interviews with survivors, even supporters of the Third Reich. Fascinating read. I suggest turning to pages 167-172 for a prescient warning to us all in 2022. Which perhaps tells us why Solzhenistyn made such a puzzling assertion in 1994 about Russia's future role in the world.

https://thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/TheyThoughtTheyWereFree.html

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