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David Avenell's avatar

The sell out and sell off, of our country is apparently complete. Every member of this Govt. and any previous Govt, who signed off on this betrayal should be charged with treason.

Perhaps we could then arrange a prisoner exchange for Julian Assange. Julian is worth more than all of that lot put together.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I agree completely! That is if there wasn't this big shit covered thumb of the US on top of the whole deal.

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TrumpFan's avatar

As an extremely disgruntled American, I apologize for the fecal sludge oozing into Australia and everywhere else in the world from our shores.

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Letsrock's avatar

Apparently Ms. Kennedy knows nothing of her father's legacy.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

She has nothing but disdain for RFK Jr. Must be she hated her father so to show him went off the deep end!

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Letsrock's avatar

Someone else posted here that many in his family disdain him. He does have a checkered past. Ex-junkie, womanizer, just for starters. Ethel, it seems, was a poor excuse for a mother. How could she hate her father when she was so young when he died? For abandonment which wasn't his fault? Seems the whole country w the exception of his daughter idolizes him. Would be nice to know what her problem is. She never seemed connected with the country. Very cold and standoffish.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

My father died when I was very young, and one of the stages of grief that I went through was anger at his abandonment.

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Letsrock's avatar

Thank you for that. Sorry you lost your dad so young.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Children get impressions very early and perhaps being cut off from her father while having those first impressions of him have stuck with her. But adults are fully responsible for their actions as far as I am concerned you can't blame someone else for the crimes you commit!

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Letsrock's avatar

True. But weren't her first impressions of a loving father as he appeared to be? Many fathers are absent due to work, my sister had complaints of that and instead of saying "Daddy's working and will be home later" made it an issue instead. But what do I know, I have no kids.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I am not sure having no inside information but I do have kids and having been one myself saw many times a defiance to any type of authority. And girls are way different from boys (and even each other!) when it comes to their father!

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Robert Billyard's avatar

So goes Australia so goes Canada, two fake countries selling their souls to the pure evil of the empire.

I can't believe NATO is going up against China after the mess they made in Ukraine.

America specializes in losing wars in Asia, First Korea, then Vietnam, now China. They have yet to realize fighting off shore wars, half way around the world on a countries home turf is for losers. Secondly, the attacking force inevitably takes the greatest casualties .

Do they plan on going nuclear from day one?

Maybe America (and the world) will wake up when the body bags start arriving at Arlington, once again!

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TomG's avatar

I would say that even dead soldiers being flown home won't make any difference as long as they are from our volunteer army, which excuses all. And of course, any "contractors" who die, well, that's just the cost of doing business. In real boots-on-the-ground wars and/or when missiles start landing on the mainland or Hawaii and Alaska, then the Americans will awaken, but not before by every indication.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

One of the major problems we face now is that populations everywhere are much more conditioned to perpetual war and accepting and passive to it. To speak for peace is too often seen as treason.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

It made a difference in Vietnam. But that was 50,000 dead, and there was a draft. Maybe today 5000 would be the limit of acceptability. A draft is right out.

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JackSirius's avatar

The Viet Nam war certainly was the war to end all drafts—at least for a couple generations until that war is completely memory holed. But it seems to me that Russia’s Wagner Group (Private Military Company) is the model that will be likely be implemented by America in its next/current/eternal war. Russia proved they could fill the ranks of even the most dangerous suicidal assault units with prison inmates. Given that the U.S. has the largest prison population on the planet—currently around 2 million—we could create the world’s largest land army overnight—approximately 400 brigades of cannon fodder, enough that even Russia’s military factories couldn’t build enough artillery rounds to disembowel them all. And, because prison is by far the best boot camp, an army of inmates would potentially be an impressive killing machine. Also, by simply maintaining the current incarceration rate—easily boosted by local judges to maintain supply—America won’t need a draft.

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bill wolfe's avatar

The US federal government - and several states - are already laying the groundwork for an even larger population of cannon fodder. For example, Trump called for concentration camps for the homeless. The State of NJ - led by a "liberal" Democrat Gov. (and former Wall Street Goldman Sachs Man (TM) - passed legislation to mandatory "temporary" institutionalization of mentally ill. The bill is on Gov. Murphy's desk.

There are many millions of homeless and mentally ill Americans.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Man don't give this filth ideas!

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Feral Finster's avatar

No matter how cynical you think you are, the people who run things are more cynical than that.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

You can think diabolically. An in-demand skill these days.

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TomG's avatar

I guess we can imagine two scenarios for WWIII ("axis of evils being China, Russia, Iran and North Korea): 1) Immediate draft of a few million troops with huge blowback from Americans finally with flesh in the game; or 2) a very short lived war from nuclear annihilation. Both are horrific enough and given what passes for leadership in Washington, the latter seems the more likely. I'm sure we have generals convinced we'd "win" a nuclear war.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

Ronald Reagan actually said that we could win "a limited nuclear war in the European theater." I'm not kidding. Never mind that they were out NATO allies.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I really don't think these brain dead idiots would cry about a draft. They are all in on war. If we could send off all the warmongers without hurting China it might leave us with some sane people left to flush the toilet in Washington!

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Kennedy reportedly told his aide Kenneth O'Donnell, "These brass hats have one great advantage in their favor. If we listen to them, and do what they want us to do, none of us will be alive later to tell them that they were wrong."

There are no Jack Kennedys in today's gvt. This is what happens when the military takes over. Imperial Japan is the "best" example. When I was a kid I read about their plans and thought, "they must have been out of their minds with national egotism."

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Renee Marie's avatar

As an American, no, they won’t wake up. They’re still wearing masks. Zombies don’t wake up.

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Renee Marie's avatar

As I stated previously, I recently saw a car with KAMALA, BIDEN, OBAMA bumper stickers and the occupants were wearing N-95 masks…outside, alone!

A few days later, another car had an OBAMA/BIDEN bumper sticker. You can’t believe the insanity I see. Zombies do exist!

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Third-Eye Roll's avatar

Thank you!

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

You've got two things wrong. Actually the victim nations lose by far the most people--modern imperialist armies can arrange to minimize their own losses through technology. n Vietnam the US lost 58,000, Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos lost 2 million.

And the other thing--I have to repeat this over and over--the US has not lost wars like those in Iraq and Afghanistan. They only lost if the official objectives were the real objectives--bring democracy to the Middle East, protect us from imaginary WMD, free the people from an evil dictator/the Taliban. But if the REAL objectives were to feed the MIC, make examples of nations whose leaders refused orders from Washington, and arrange for US/UK oil companies to control the oil, and render the countries failed states whose resources can be looted at will--well then, those wars were resounding SUCCESSES.

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Hugh Mercer's avatar

Bingo. People will question the narrative but do not question the motivations enough. The common narrative is not going to tell the masses the real agenda, just enough crowd pleasing platitudes to calm them back to sleep.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

The United States is a failed state and the billionaires are looting it at will.

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Pete Schult's avatar

Unfortunately, it's not a failed state. It's working as intended. That's the problem.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

The US carpet bombing of those countries tends to change the equation on casualties.

If as you say they were successes why is the empire now in precipitous decline around the world, and desperately threatening nuclear war. We are seeing the death throes of an empire. The question now is at what cost to the world before it exhausts itself?

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

They were successes at the precise objectives I named. The US empire is in de line for the usual reasons--the latest generation of the elite class is debauched, uninterested in policy, obsessed with increasing its privilege, and has cemented sufficient power that it can arrange for all of the costs of its bad policies to fall on others. It also is essentially run by corporations, which made lots of money outsourcing production to countries like China--now it's dependent on China and other places for almost everything. Its economy is mostly vaporware, financialized bullshit, which when everything crashes in will be utterly worthless. Yes, that IS the question, although the many existential threats facing the world can't all be entirely laid at the US doorstep. But I think they can be laid at the doorstep of the culture based on domination which has taken over the world over the past ten millennia, and which came to be embodied in white people with the US as its current spear carrier.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Agreed! Quite bluntly these are racist wars as the Anglo-American pact simply cannot accept the looming presence of Asia in a multipolar world. Western Imperialism is by definition racist.

From where I sit no single power can be allowed to dominate. There must always be the countervail of balancing powers. We are witnessing why the world can never be unipolar. It must be a community of communities based on reciprocity and rapprochement.

As Xi Jinping has stated China and the US can have a peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately war is the only language the US speaks.

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Third-Eye Roll's avatar

Unlike Vietnam, American casualties aren't televised anymore, and no body-bags or coffins will be seen on TV. That said, the MSM broadcasts U.S. missile strikes with unhinged glee.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

WWII propaganda was almost all about soldiers. Today it is almost all about weapons. Make soldiers the heroes, before you know it they'll be asking for a pay raise or doing a Smedley Butler. Weapons know how to keep their mouths shut and do as they're told.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

The Persian Gulf War was presented on the legacy media as a video game: electronic flashes and no people.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Obama mastered that invisibilization technique by using drones instead of boots on the ground.

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Ghostfromthefuture's avatar

Once you are aware of some of the history of NATO and who held high ranking positions, you stop wondering about Ukraine, Neo-Nazis and warmongering of that "institution": https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/NATOs-secret-Nazi-past

And those are just some high ranking names... there were tens of thousands of former SS, SA SD, Gestapo and members of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt employed by the US, UK, France and Germany (BND, former "Aufklärung Fremde Heere Ost" under Hitler) after WWII. Jut look at the list of warcriminals pardoned by John J McCloy in the early 1950s,

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bill wolfe's avatar

The US doesn't need to import Nazi's - there are plenty already living here. Check out these Nazi programs:

New Files Reveal MKUltra’s Terrifying Reach: Ethnic Bioweapons, Mind Control and Disturbing Experiments

https://scheerpost.com/2023/07/26/new-files-reveal-mkultras-terrifying-reach-ethnic-bioweapons-mind-control-and-disturbing-experiments/

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CarbonCopy's avatar

They are all over in our government and the CIA. They didn't just go away like some blind fools like to believe.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Yes - and check out these Nazi programs:

New Files Reveal MKUltra’s Terrifying Reach: Ethnic Bioweapons, Mind Control and Disturbing Experiments

https://scheerpost.com/2023/07/26/new-files-reveal-mkultras-terrifying-reach-ethnic-bioweapons-mind-control-and-disturbing-experiments/

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CarbonCopy's avatar

This is horrible! Apparently as long as you have money and know other people with money you can do any damned criminal shit you want to in this country! Then if it gets a little dicey well just move the shit to Canada or today Australia!

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Really shows to why NATO has continually encroached on Russia.

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Feral Finster's avatar

They'll just use the dead Americans as a tearjerker to get the masses to rally round the flag.

Needless to say, People Of Influence And Authority won't let their kids go. They could get hurt.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

"So goes Australia so goes Canada, two fake countries selling their souls to the pure evil of the empire."

This does not seem new to me. At the time of World War 1, Australians and Canadians fought vigorosly for "England", that is, the Brutish Empire, without question. However, when World War 2 rolled around, the Brits perceived that they did not have the wherewithal to defeat the Germans, and they managed to suck the US in by basically selling the Empire in a transaction called The Atlantic Charter. Canada was safe because it was already effectively an American colony and well within the American sphere of influence, but Australia was way out there in the path of the Japanese. This was a problem because Australia is pretty far from anything -- far from Mother England, far from big Daddy America, even far from the Devil and the Russians. However, the Americans could see it as a base from which to keep Japan out of really valuable terrain like Indonesia and India. So they went to considerable effort to construct a total war against Japan even though at a great distance. One can guess that American strategists could also look ahead and see that by subjugating Japan (for which Australia was useful) they would have an greatly advanced position in the Pacific against the Soviet Union, China, India, and any others who wanted to stick their heads up. The Australians were willing! They went from wanting ardently to die for the King to wanting ardently to die for America, or White People in general anyway, and of course for capitalism. So this is where we -- or rather you, the Aussies -- are today. Australia give the US strategic depth -- that is, a fallback position -- should they lose their grip on Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. the Philippines. And meanwhile -- out of sight, out of mind.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Mess? Losing? These escapades boosted their budget bigtime. Their approval rating is the highest of all institutions. Riproaring success says me.

And I don't see the USA taking many casualties in Ukraine. As far as They are concerned, Ukr deaths are a big plus.

Finally, "the attacking force inevitably takes the greatest casualties" is not true. Many examples in history.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

In symmetrical warfare between equal players since the usage of firearms and artllery, usually the attackers do take higher losses.

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TomG's avatar

Ms. Kennedy needs some schooling from her cousin on what her father stood for. How pathetic she has become!

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Andrew Thomas's avatar

Caroline is just so...vapid. It is disappointing. However, she would not be Ambassador Kennedy if she was not. Vapidity is now the top-of-the-line the US has to offer. Imagine if Vicky Nuland had delivered the approval of the USS Canberra. Or Blinkin, or Sullivan, or Pompeo.

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Elisabeth's avatar

I am sorry, I know JFK is still sort of a 'myth' and 'hero', just finished reading Sy Hersh's book The Dark Side of Camelot ( pretty awful all the details stated there ) and I remember years ago reading Howard Zinn's books, he also tore away this shroud of the 'perfect' president (brings back my thoughts that to get into these positions you MUST be a ruthless psycho/sociopath).

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Paula's avatar

I'm trying, in vain, to find Virginia Woolf's insightful essay, "Can a Good Man Become Archbishop?", which I read long ago. She follows the shameful, corrupt career of a humble Anglican clergyman to the upper echelons of the Church. Same mentality, same psychology as today's power-hungry sociopaths.

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Leesy's avatar

what's up with Caroline Kennedy? her son just smeared RFKjr.

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Nancy in NC's avatar

A good portion of the Kennedy family openly dislike RFK. They have been very open in their disdain. I suppose they're New Democrats that JFK would never recognize. Sold out to the highest bidder?

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Leesy's avatar

sounds about right. imagine turning on your own blood relative like they do. so sad. they don't need to smear RFKjr so viciously. they need to agree to disagree and leave at that. anything else from the Kennedy family towards RFKjr seems like a cheap shot for obvious reasons, them being on one side of viewing politiics and humanity and him, seeming to be on the other. let's hope he's the real deal and not another kind of person that isn't as sincere as he appears to be.

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Jo Waller's avatar

I'm scared to think of what an analogy for the country imprisoning (aka slowly murdering in a maximum security cell 23 hours a day) an Australian citizen on behalf of the US would be. The same country who sends there prime minister to destroy peace on behalf of the US?

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Michele's avatar

The US has a kangaroo court system, kangaroo government, kangaroo economy and now a kangaroo ship. It's an insult to kangaroos.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

This is my thought too. Somebody should sue on behalf of the kangaroos whose reputations have been smeared as war hawks. Power to the Kangaroos!

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James Filbird's avatar

“Built by American workers at an Australian company in Mobile, Alabama, her crew will always include a Royal Australian Navy sailor, and from today forward, she will proudly display a star-spangled kangaroo.”

Said by the daughter of JFK who was assassinated by the American CIA led by George Bush Sr., the Mafia and Business Industrialists who were losing millions of dollars every month that he was in office as POTUS. It's all too surreal.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Mobile, Alabama - I wonder if they were union workers?

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James Filbird's avatar

Most likely. The American Unions are Mafia run businesses.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

Wrong

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Australia has hitched its wagon to a death-star - or fifty. Something like Canada. Very sad: you have to have ice-water for blood if you don't care- and you could go nuts if you do. Few choices left these days.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Yes, Canada has gone down the same road.

So wondering where I'll emigrate to when Trump assumes control in '24.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

I don't think you know who the enemy is: Trump isn't the worst aspect of it, either.

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Pete Schult's avatar

I believe that there's a saying in Russian to the effect that both are worst. It's not at all clear that there's a lesser evil in the race.

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Entropy Wins's avatar

Australia has just become Ukraine of the Pacific. We should have a "Sister City" Agreement with Kyiv & Canberra to cement our many similarities. We will end up the same as Ukraine... financially broke & socially destroyed when China declares Australia an "unfriendly" country and stops buying our coal, meat, minerals, wine. Maybe we should name one of our shiny new Nuclear powered submarines HMAS Hiroshima in memory of the nuclear might of the global superpower that we are now part of. Or another Aussie sub call her HMAS Formosa to remind us that a Chinese island 80 km off the coast of China populated by Chinese people is not part of China and we will fight China to the death (with our magnificient Navy of 41 ships) to keep Taiwan part of the Rules Based Order. Albo... mate... this is easy. 1. Free Julian Asange. 2. Cancel the nuclear subs. It's a very bad deal. 3. Declare Australia a neutral country. And 4. Join BRICS.

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

No. Taiwan is Ukraine--Australia is the EU/UK, which are accepting economic damage in order to support the US in its proxy war. I often wonder WHY. There must be something we don't know, to explain why all these national leaders accept subservience to the warmongers in Washington, to the detriment of their countries. I can't believe they buy the weak propaganda. I wonder if it's very private and maybe personal threats.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Don't know why? Read John Perkins' book "Confession of An Economic Hit Man".

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CarbonCopy's avatar

They have all excepted bribes, they are every last one of them bought and paid for.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Expect an immediate coup.

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Wilhelm Martinez's avatar

The Americans know how to manipulate us GULLIBLE Aussies, with stunts like this, to reinforce the bond between the two countries. Are we really that pathetic? The answer is unfortunately YES, we are! And I find it hilarious that 'Canberra' has been reused (previous USN ship was a WW2-built cruiser - named for similar reasons) on a class of ship that is not only shrouded in controversy, but is already in the process of being gradually phased out! Don't let the ship's newness and fresh coat of paint fool you! Despite spin from shipbuilders AUSTAL, the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program, to which this ship is a part of (Independence Class), has been a multi-BILLION dollar disaster/white elephant, with pitiful firepower, as well as reliability, systems and survivability issues. It is but one of a series of glaring examples of the rot and corruption in the US Military-Industrial Complex.

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

https://images.app.goo.gl/HVV4b9rRD4wgJuwc9 No one is even aware of what our history here and how badly we fucked over almost ever country including Australia.

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Nancy in NC's avatar

Plenty of us do know, but none of know what to do about it. Getting others to even see a glimmer of truth is an impossible task, but we must keep trying.

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

You’re in the wrong fuckin substack, grandpa. Take your conspiracy theories and ignorance elsewhere. F*Ck you for “service” in the army, by the way.

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

In Deuteronomy 13, God commands the killing of anyone who worships another god, even their own families, and even if they can perform miracles. If a few people in the same city worship other gods, everyone in the city is to be slaughtered, the livestock killed, and everything of value burned, and nothing shall be built there again.

So I guess all I can say is I pray to “god” you get violently raped and killed and I really wanna watch.

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Crapp's avatar

Kangaroodle Dandy?

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L. Carpenter's avatar

Mike, I didn't see your post before I posted. Looks like we are on the same track mate.

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Crapp's avatar

Ha! Good shit... :)

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russian_bot's avatar

Congrats, Australia! The long fake foreplay is over, and you've been mated. A bunch of joeys are on the way.

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Joseph L. Wiess's avatar

As an American, I don't think your government has thought this through. As allies, we were unstoppable, as a client state, you're trapped in room with a bunch of elderly lunatics and can never get out. As a Texan, that's something we are all too well aware of.

When we approached the lunatics with the mere suggestion that we wanted to leave the blessed union, we were told that it was illegal to leave, even though we have a treaty that says we can.

I guess all I can say is, "welcome to the asylum. Pleased to meet ya."

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Hugh Mercer's avatar

Your initial assumption is flawed as it implies there was ever a real choice for Australia just like there really isn't a choice in Texas. Treaty or not, nobody escapes the leviathan unless it let's you go. Its shenanigans are backed by the threat of force and overwhelming narrative control.

Lastly, we are all already in the asylum. Some of us just have windows

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

Australians have more freedom than us in the US. Not much but they can move to North Korea and Cuba which

I’m surper jealous of

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Hugh Mercer's avatar

None of us living in these "liberal democracies " have real freedom. While there are variations here and there saying one has more freedom than the other is like celebrating who didn't finish last place .

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. I think the laws in the US are so bad and the fact that we have absolutely zero social safety nets at all to the point where 30 percent of the population is homeless or lives in their car is where I’d say we have a little less freedom than somewhere where it might be easier to get help before deciding to kill yourself especially just to get out of debt, which happens here ALL the time. Maybe it happens in Australia and the UK as well but the US has the highest prison population in the world for a reason. Slavery is still technically legal here for a reason.

And like I said, this is not a pissing contest life sucks for all of us. I’m just pointing out that escaping the US is harder to do than maybe anywhere else in the world. It also costs a SHITLOAD to revoke your citizenship here. And if you do so the CIA stalks you. All I’m saying is they don’t call it the heart of the beast for nothin.

I’m not at all saying other western countries don’t have it bad. I know they do. I know they have corrupt governments and capitalism and wealth gaps and homeless people. But at least on some level they do something to help. No other country prides itself on self sufficiency like America, the country known as the most imperialist and most likely to kill people and take their stuff.

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Hugh Mercer's avatar

We are indeed infected with the same type of cancer which stems from the root issue: a lack of love, empathy and general respect for each individual human being. Couple that with entitlement, power, secrecy and the monopoly of violence.. a recipe for disaster. Regardless if one lives in America, Australia the UK , or even outside the "liberal democracies" such as China or Russia, the average person is but a mere stain on the heel of the States boot. As you said America prides itself.. but it is upon its own self created mythology. This helps keep the domestic population docile while it runs empire on the rest of the world.

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

Yes. America and it’s disgusting fundamental values have completely destroyed the world and most Americans are too retarded to know or care. Living here is so depressing.. it feels like there’s not an ounce of humanity or compassion to be found most days

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Howard McWilliam's avatar

US getting ready to fight China down to the last Australian. The Aussies only need look to Ukraine to see their future.

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Lubica's avatar

Wonderful! “Australia is not a sovereign nation in any meaningful way; we’re functionally a US military/intelligence asset, and according to our defence minister Richard Marles our own military is being moved “beyond interoperability to interchangeability” with the US war machine so they can “operate seamlessly together, at speed.”” - the same way that Ukraine was envisaged on the level of interchangeability? An excellent future!

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