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George Cornell's avatar

It’s just a matter of time isn’t it? The American identity and feelings of self-worth seem to have nothing to do with success domestically. It’s about looking tough to win elections. The unprincipled amoral invasions of Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan will still reek in 200 years.

So Donbas or decent health care?

The US has crap health care at absurd cost leading to pathetic third world longevity.

It leads the world or Western world in obesity, divorce, child poverty, social inequality, racism, murder, racial murder, mass murder, guns, nukes, chemical weapons, incarceration, pollution (twice as much per capita as the Chinese), but is ~ last in maternal and infant mortality, etc.

World-leading Rape of their female colleagues is institutionalized their Armed Forces.

But in the MSM it goes without mention, in favour of Matt Gaetz, Ted and Heidi’s excellent vacation and sandbars in the S China Sea.

Obviously Donbas is more important but Americans will never get to vote on it.

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Eric Schechter's avatar

Caitlin, I reach the same conclusion you do -- NATO should back off -- but by different reasoning. I believe you have NOT adequately dealt with the "where do we draw the line" question. My reasoning is this: Who do you trust more -- NATO or Putin? I see Putin as the lesser evil, by a wide margin. Look at all the destruction NATO has wrought in so many different countries over the years.

But still, the question "where do we draw the line" is misleading -- who is this "we"? YOU AND I have no direct influence over what NATO is going to decide. The most that we have is indirect influence: We can communicate to our friends, our online acquaintances, and so on. I'll be carrying a sign next Sunday. In theory, we can phone the office of our congressional representatives, but personally I'm unable to do that: I see those people as liars, thieves, and mass murderers, and I cannot hold my stomach long enough for a phone call. They won't pay much attention to us anyway -- Gilens and Page proved statistically that our so-called "democracy" is really a plutocracy in disguise. So I'm communicating to my friends and my online acquaintances about some really big changes I'd like to see.

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