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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Israel is a Lie. Cancel it and it's Genocidal supporters. This is the way to Peace on earth. You are either for Genocide or against it. Shut it down. Protect Sumud and Make Palestine Palestine.

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Susan T's avatar

Zionism is a lie which is the main thing that makes Israel a lie. According to Zionists, Jews are the "chosen people" i.e. supreme beings, which seems to mean to those lunatics that they can kill anyone who is on "their" land. Christian Zionists apparently have that commandment "thou shalt not kill", but somehow Zionism makes it OK for them to murder anyone who gets in the way of their longed for "rapture". If it were not for the Zionist ideology, maybe Israel could work as a place where everyone, Jews, Christians and Muslims, could live side by side in peace.

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Davina's avatar

It is quite quite dumbfounded that any bible (the real bible) reading Christians would ever support Israel - the jews killed Jesus who they are supposedly worshipping, after lashing Hughenden making him carry, on his bleeding shoulders and back, the cross they were going to bail him to.

How dumb can you be to support, not only child killers back when Christ was born, but that are burning babies alive living in tents because the Jewish state has bombed their homes to rubble. How many men, women and children have died under that rubble so that moist Jews can get at the gas, oil and minerals beneath Gaza?

Thereis nothing gentle, kind nor friendly a out zionists, they are money hungry which you tell you immediately that the deity the worship is not God but the horned god and that is where these zionists nd all those gat supported their killing spree are going,o way is our God, whose son they killed, is going to allow them into Heaven.

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Davina's avatar

After lashing "him then making him carry, on his..."

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Alan, aka DudeInMinnetonka's avatar

Israel: Leader of the Free World

COMMENTARY

By George Gilder

August 14, 2024

Israel: Leader of the Free WorldAP

For eight decades after the end of World War II, America’s proudest title was “Leader of the Free World.” Today, both on grounds of practical leadership and grasp of what it means to be free, we are yielding the title to Israel.

In order to remain free, we, and the world, must pass the Israel Test.

The issues in the Middle East could hardly be simpler. On one side is tyranny, dependency, and resentment; on the other is liberty and its redemptive fruits.

The essence of liberty is self-government, of which political democracy is only one component. Governing others, whether through elections or through bureaucracies, is not the point. First and foremost, liberty means governance of the self.

A self-governing people does not whine. They do not expect to be catered to like children. Unlike the so-called “Palestinians” who depend entirely on funds from Western “charities” – billions annually from the U.S. through the UN – the Israelis give back far more than they take. They assume responsibility for their own fate and flourishing. Israelis don’t complain; they fight. The very essence of Zionism is that no Jew should ever again be a pet, dependent on the forbearance of some alien elite for survival.

A second trait of self-governing naturally follows the first. Free people produce more than they consume. Creative in the image of their creator, they thrive. Even in a world of ever-increasing abundance, fueled by new technology, arbitrary misery can strike, along with plagues and lean years, tempests and earthquakes. Yet even these disasters always seem most to befall regions where liberty and thus prosperity are scarce.

Liberty invites every man to contribute to the general prosperity by work oriented to the needs of others. Tyranny wastes a people’s energy, not merely through bureaucracy and interference from without, but by envy, resentment, and violence. Blaming others for one’s plight is a signal of subservience. If Gaza is a hellhole, the refusal of self-government is what made it so.

Envy is the sin of Cain and leads naturally to murder. The question put repeatedly to a free people, ultimately their Israel Test, is between envy and admiration of excellence. Do you view the exceptional accomplishments of others as examples to admire and emulate, and new sources of opportunity? Or do you greet these achievements with envy and hatred and charge

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Feral Finster's avatar

Everyone involved knows it's bullshit. It doesn't matter, since they have the power to force acceptance of their preferred narrative. Much the same as the russiagate conspiracy theory, which entailed a non-zero chance of a nuclear holocaust.

This is similar, but not quite the same as Marx' concept of class hegemony.

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N. Obody's avatar

I do wonder how do the "russiagate" brainwashed fanatics feel (some of them here like one dale ruff) now that Trump has made it his official policy to "ukraine war until victory and even capture Moscow". They even said he was a Soviet Russian Communist Manchurian Candidate and so on. Kamala just called Trump a "Communist dictator" BTW. Its like a competition of who's the biggest fascist.

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includeMeOut's avatar

Kamala is so addled she cannot keep her red-baiting accusations consistent. And this is the best that the Democrats have on offer.

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joed's avatar

Yes, the very best the U S A has to offer.

U S is sick and not going to make it, only the rich will survive.

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Susan T's avatar

Hopefully there will be a few others that survive to make life at least a bit uncomfortable for the rich.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

Kamala is eminently controllable. That's how she, and Biden, got to where they have been the last six years. Their two respective types of idiocy paving the way for that were one of the features that endeared them to TPTB.

Same purpose, I should add, flows from Trump and his third type of idiocy, and controllability despite appearances. I'm sure manipulating Trump, though, is a hell of a lot more fun (for TPTB, obviously, not us), as in a challenging video game, or an episode of living dangerously.

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Guest's avatar

“I'm sure manipulating Trump, though, is a hell of a lot more fun…”

I don’t know why I hadn’t thought of that perspective before. I’m going to laugh a bit over this before I have to go back to being pissed about the effect their games have on the rest of us.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

The last president who was both intelligent *and* his own person was that spook Bush Sr., who, unfortunately for us, successfully exorcised the Vietnam ghost from America. The rebel presidents previous to Trump in modern times included JFK, Nixon, and Carter, all more intelligent than him, and we know what happened to them, in various degrees. You know the trendline. But if you "know" differently, that these guys belong in other bins, (and as we said in the '60s,) "throw your TV in the trash". Substitute whatever professor, vanguardist, blogger, or other gang leader applies for you.

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Guest's avatar

“Their two respective types of idiocy were one of the features that endeared them to TPTB.”

Biden (no joke), early on in his political career, clearly expressed his desire (with that inimitable stupid straight face), to pimp himself out.

Biden’s bald-faced storytelling and penchant for braggadocio goes back a ways as well. Real character guy, that one. Stupid & morally deficient. “Eminent controllability.”

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Feral Finster's avatar

Never underestimate the capacity of true believers and Koolaid chugging cult members(Dale, I'm looking at you!) for cognitive dissonance.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Only fascism can save our democracy.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

Good one. Don't forget zionism too can save western type demon-cracy.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Ukraine is the Beacon Of Muh Democracy, the country so democratic, it has ditched elections (borrring!), term limits (whatever!), freedom of speech, assembly, the press and religion (so tiresome).

I have long maintained that that is where the West is headed.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

100%. I think west is already there. They will soon start executing and imprisoning their own citizens for smallest transgressions or for having "unacceptable" opinions. The sad thing is that all this was predictable decades ago.

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CK's avatar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

It is the will of Moloch.

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Lynks61's avatar

interesting how you use a reference that gets edited so frequently that your source is questionable! I would provide a pic of all the edits, but I’ll let you take a look!

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CK's avatar

Forget about the wiki link if you don’t trust it. Go to the ancient Hebrew texts, if you can read them.

Here’s another link that refers to the Old Testament of the Bible. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/what-bible-say-about-molech.html

You probably know that the Bible has been edited many times in the past 3,000 years, so you may doubt its authenticity.

Nevertheless, you probably understand my point that there are many people, especially those with great wealth and power who are willing to sacrifice their neighbors and children— especially other people’s children— in order to make more profits.

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martin's avatar

indeed, and that's to be avoided, cause it ain't no good.

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CK's avatar

Hahaha 😂

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Nick Douglas's avatar

dale ruff is zionist troll. Cannot believe that creature is still around.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Dale is just a garden-variety Team D cultist.

Any day now, The Great Pumpkin will choose the worthiest pumpkin patch and rise up, delivering candy to all the good little bois and gurls and those undecided.....

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Nick Douglas's avatar

For me Team D cultists are closet zionists.

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Feral Finster's avatar

What closet?

Need I trot out photos of Harris, Biden, Pelosi, Klobuchar, and other Team D luminaries grinning like morons while they stand next to an unsmiling Netanyahu?

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Nick Douglas's avatar

A closet without walls and doors meaning Team D cultist pretend they are not but everyone honest enough can see Ds are zionists or zionist bitches. That is why sleazy slimy Ds are disliked by almost everyone else. On the right or real progressive left. We agree

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Landru's avatar

Well said. Thank you.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"This is similar, but not quite the same as Marx' concept of class hegemony"

Huh?

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Feral Finster's avatar

Hegemonic class values are deemed to be self-evidently normative.

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#FreePalestine's avatar

100% and the deceit is shining through for the world to now fully see! This has been the BIGGEST wake up call on countries around the globe, knowledge has expanded, truth is visible, and never to be reversed, long overdue...

#FreePalestine 🇵🇸 and the 🌍

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

And NATO represents the western empire. We in the western world are being told to further tighten our belts so that 5% of our GDP can go to NATO. We need to object to this. More money for military adventures by the lunatics who represent us is not what the world needs.

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Landru's avatar

Sorry, you have to spend the money so we can issue more debt in the u.s. Debt without value has to have some kind of pretend effort that has no purpose. Thank you for you contribution. : ) It really isn't funny is it. : (

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CavyWheek's avatar

When so many people push the same lie, follow the money.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Rarely is anything so crude needed. Rather, the strivers, the members of the professional classes, know full well what narratives will advance their careers, and what narratives will see them cast into Outer Darkness.

Noam Chomsky's takedown of Andrew Marr comes prominently to mind.

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CavyWheek's avatar

Thanks, I'll look into that.

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Feral Finster's avatar

One of the most illuminating exchanges during the interview was the following:

Marr: “How can you know I’m self-censoring?”

Chomsky: “I’m not saying you’re self-censoring. I’m sure you believe everything you say. But what I’m saying is if you believed something different you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/ayyhhn/andrew_marrs_response_to_the_infamous_noam/

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dacoelec's avatar

"The western empire is the craziest, most murderous, most deceitful, and most dangerous power structure on earth, and it is only getting more so."

Bingo! Could not be better said.

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Lisa's avatar

I think we just need to accept that generally israelis are deceitful and sly... and batshit crazy!!! They really do get too much airtime, bit like Trump. Just insane septuagenarians doing their genocide thing as usual.

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JennyStokes's avatar

As a 'septuagenarian' myself undoubtedly I would not be in politics. Hard enough to find my keys each day BUT I could stand up in The Halls of Power and let people know I see a genocide.

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Lisa's avatar

Not lumping all septuagenarians in with them Jenny, some must be normal folk by the law of averages! (And also not greedy millionaires!)

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JennyStokes's avatar

It was a bit of irony Lisa. NO problem here at all with your comment.

There really should be a time limit and age limit for all Senators and Congress people.

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Lisa's avatar

💯

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Antonio Brownlowe's avatar

Fact is they are not even Israelis but are converts o the Hebrew in the 800 AD an got kicked out of their own Homeland in Russia and everywhere they went for refuge in Europe.

****1200 AD. Oliver Cromwell ,obtains backing from the British parliament for the

execution of King Charles I on a charge of treason.

Afterwards, Cromwell permits the Jews to enter England again, but does not reverse

the Edict of Expulsion issued by King Edward I in 1290, which expelled

all Jews forever from England and made the provision that any who

remained after November 1st 1290, were to be executed.

Indeed England is not the first country to expel the Jews.

Here is a partial list of all the areas from which the Jews have been banished from,

sometimes on numerous occasions, over the last thousand years.

Mainz 1012 AD. France 1182 AD. Bavaria 1276 AD England 1290 AD France 1306 AD Saxony 1349 AD Hungary AD 1360 Belgium 1370 AD Slovakia France 1394 AD.Austria 1420 AD.Lyons 1420 AD. Cologne 1444 AD.

Netherland 1462 AD. Mainz 1483 AD. Spain 1492 Warsaw 1492 AD. Italy 1496 AD. Portugal 1496 AD. Russia 1510 AD

This is where All Israel's past and current leaders are from Not the middle East

**Benjamin Netanyahu Poland

Yair Lapid- Hungarian

Naftali Polish

Simon Peres Belarusian

Ehud Olmert Russian

Ariel Sharon Polish

Ehud Barak Lithuania

Simon Peres Belarusian

David Ben Gurion Polish

Yitzhak Shamir Belarusian

Golda Meir Ukrainian

Yiga Alon Belarusian )

**INVENTION OF A PEOPLE

Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, conducted the first comprehensive DNA study of Israelis and Palestinians in 2001. She concluded that emigrants on ships to Palestine before it became Israel were 40% Mongolian and Turkish for 40%.

There was no DNA linking these Jews to the original Middle Eastern Jews of 4,000 years ago in Jerusalem or Biblical territory.

These white Eastern European descendants of Germans, Russians, Poles, Austrians, Georgians, etc., are not original Jews but converts from Turkey, Russia, Europe who claim to have been chosen by God, but are descendants of the ancients Khazars of the Khazar Caucus (Scythians), denied this scientific evidence because they invented myths of their own history, which many people in the West believed for a whole century, namely Schofield's Bible.

Because the true story of the fledgling "Israel in 1947" is no longer a secret today.

Since Palestinians have been found to be more or at least 80% DNA-related, many Israeli politicians and supporters are on the wrong side of history.

This information was confirmed by Shlomo Sand, a history teacher at Tel Aviv University, who wrote a book about it.

***They invented myths of their own history, which many people in the West believed for a whole century, namely Schofield's Bible.

who claim to have been chosen by God, but are descendants of the ancients Khazars of the Khazar Caucus (Scythians), denied this scientific evidence because they invented myths of their own history, which many people in the West believed for a whole century, namely Schofield's Bible.

Those who have eyes and even an iota of intelligence should see this article.

Because the true story of the fledgling "Israel in 1947" is no longer a secret today.

Since Palestinians have been found to be more or at least 80% DNA-related, many Israeli politicians and supporters are on the wrong side of history.

This information was confirmed by Shlomo Sand, a history teacher at Tel Aviv University, who wrote a book about it.

Simon Peres-Belarusian Golda Meir Ukrainian Yiga Alon-Belarusian-David Ben Gurion-Polish-Ehud Barak-Lithuania

Ariel Sharon-Polish-Yair Lapid-Hungarian Ehud Olmert-Russian

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Carl Freeman's avatar

This is of historical interest but expulsion of Jews from intolerant Christian countries was no more morally justified than expulsion of non-Jews from Israeli-controlled territories today. All people everywhere should enjoy human rights as defined in the Universal Declaration.

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

Old Testament stories like Esther and Daniel and Nehemiah demonstrate how operating as a minority within some larger national or imperial context is very familiar to Jewishness.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

But Caitlin, suppose one needs to believe in a rapture because one's comfort with the notion of a finite corporeal life relies on that ultimate upsweep of all Christian airheads meeting one another and their lord in the air (whatever the hell that means)? All the Christian Zionists, the Lindsay Grahams, all those swingin' folks hootenannying together with Jaysus up there in the clouds: this is firm ground, or so they believe, for any bloody action on the part of Israel. That realization should set everyone at ease about just how twisted are the minds of these folks.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Nobody of influence and authority believes in the Rapture, the End Times, whatever, or they would not be so frantically laying up for themselves treasures, status, authority on earth.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

True. But it doesn't stop a vast population of easily brainwashed marks from being squeezed dry as the source of that treasure.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

Feral Finster you would think that people would not be that stupid and suicidal. But I have seen how arrogance and entitlement can blind otherwise normal people. These are psychopaths. jews are best example of that. They enjoy being hated by others so that they can play their self-pity and eternal victims card. Offended by everything and ashamed of nothing.

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Landru's avatar

There is a former Christian Zionist who has a great podcast now being a Atheist and Socialist, Kayse Malone check out her work on YouTube. A very interesting take from the former insider. I learned a great deal already. Plus she swears a lot : )

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Sounds great. I think it's "Melone". Just found her YouTube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/@kaysemelone

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

I question how productive it is to insult anyone's sincere beliefs if you really want to resolve violence as a method of resolving disputes.

The KKK were/are Christians; so were the Abolitionists and the pacifists who opposed wars throughout the 20th century.

As for "twisted minds," there is ample supply among secular folks as well.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Question all you like. To both you & Blue_French_Qtr, I don't give a fuck what Christian, or other formal sect's caca I insult. I'm a pagan who sees Nature as deity, and if you want to argue that one -- based on facts rather than Fairie stories, best come prepared. Yeah John Brown, for example, used his fanatical Christianity to fuel his abolitionism, but so what. His maniacal approach & failure simply illustrated what a poor strategy that was. And based on the density of Christian Zionist warmongers in the West, don't even suggest that Christianity predisposes to opposition to war.

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gypsy33's avatar

Vin,

Too many christians, not enough lions 😁

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

No argument from me. gyp.

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

Pantheism- the original fairy tale. But it's your right.

John Brown was the most violent of the Abolitionists; there were thousands who remained non-violent until the attack on Fort Sumner, and afterward. Like William Lloyd Garrison for example.

It's also your right to use provocative inflammatory rhetoric, and it's great for social media.

It's not particularly good for peace.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

A fairy tale, my ass. A chunk of complexity Illustrative of you and most of the rest of humanity's inability and unwillingness to understand the immense wisdom intrinsic to a Complex Adaptive System of Systems far more complex than a single human brain (also a CASoS) or a human social system. One that is far better at cleaning up its own messes because of that intricacy and unyielding feedback, unlike the sloppiness permitted by human narcissism.

And sure Garrison disavowed Brown, but Frederick Douglass supported him financially almost to the end, so it's hardly the neat and clean story you want to purvey.

Finally, regarding my rhetoric, it's called: Brooklynese; don't like it? I don't give a shit. You're not someone I feel particularly peaceful toward at the moment. I reject you as a purveyor of standard models! Which has very little to do with my attitude in other directions.

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

@caitlin johnston

So, evidently seculars can be just as intolerant and bigoted as the Zionists. I wonder what they would do if they could exercise the same hegemony over Christians that the Zionists exercise over Palestinians? Its not hard to imagine.

They dont believe in pluralism, just another enforced secular conformity.

Brooklyn- what a shithole of deranged opportunists and careerists..

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Have you ever studied the Quakers? They are Christians very much predisposed to opposing war. Don't lump everyone in the same pot. There are many flavors of Christianity.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Oh please, Cindy, I don't think I suggested that Christians couldn't be anti- war only that one can't assume that "Christianity predisposes to opposition to war" .

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Harry Ziboo's avatar

You don’t have to be religious to be an asshole. But it helps.

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Gnuneo's avatar

Christians would greatly benefit from reading the insightful books of OTHER religions too. The Qoran, Lao Tzu's Dao te Ching, Crowley's 'Book of Lies', perhaps even some Indian epics, and Western Pagan workbooks.

That they don't do so largely invalidates any of their analysis - a sports commentator who only follows one team exclusively is useless.

Of course, 90% of the loudest Christians don't even read the Bible either, just memorise selected passages that fit their prejudices.

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Landru's avatar

Still fun to think at that magic moment magic Jesus will swirl us all into the Universe. I was hoping better rockets might get us there however this works........

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

See my response to Mr. Kruger above.

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Sean Griobhtha's avatar

"World War Two never ended, it evolved, transforming the “victors” into “full-fledged fascist fuck[s]”. Already predisposed to fascism, the US, Capitalists, and other countries absorbed Nazis and Hitler’s Nazism and Mussolini’s Fascism into the fabric of their societies. They created the Israeli regime. Trump must have Hayden’s tune applied to Deutschlandlied buzzing in his head constantly. Alison Weir, in Against Our Better Judgment, deftly brings together the spread of Nazism to all countries through the Zionist enterprise. Her Endnotes are a cornucopia of document sources and rich tidbits, such as this Israeli song in Palestine (Endnotes #10), so similar to Mussolini’s “storm in the people’s hearts” and Deutschlandlied:"

https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/x-rubicon-lies-and-damned-lies

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

We are all Antifa now. We are all Gazans.

They already saw how easy we would comply if they frightened us enough. And now they are demonstrating what they will do to the rest of us if we don't.

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Rob Nichols's avatar

And they would ask us to ignore the near daily statements of those in the highest reaches of the Israeli government telling us explicitly they are committing genocide and war crimes.

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DMarlene's avatar

Which is why I'm starting to buy into the conspiracy theory that Charlie Kirk was killed by Netanyahu. When all is said and done, it sounds so much like the normal Israeli murderous storyline reaching beyond their borders to snuff out they're perceived enemies. And Kirk was becoming a major obstacle to them in the West.

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

The most important point about Kirk, IMHO, is not whether they did it, but the fact that they could have done it, they kill people all over the world.

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Landru's avatar

I believed israel assassinated Kirk the moment NutAnYahoo went live to the world saying israel didn't murder him TWICE before most people knew who he was or that he was murdered. Yep, makes me wonder about JFK now, but let's not go there.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Thing is, I always wonder - who benefits? Chi bono?

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Reno de Caro's avatar

I wish someone would ask the "Genocide Deniers" what is missing in Gaza that would make it a genocide.

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Joshua Jamesy's avatar

It's identical to "they hate us for our freedom" lie - this is just recycled a million times over. This is the worst reality in the history of the world.

All the resources, knowledge and power - it's used to fund murderous, tribalistic psychopaths that turn away from reality.

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Christopher Kruger's avatar

You are missing the point.

They will simply redefine "genocide," like they redefined a gene therapy, which fucks with your DNA and mutates your immune system, into calling it a "vaccine."

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