"The extremists who are inflicting the real violence and abuse in our world are the ones committing genocide, starting wars, backing blockades, imposing starvation sanctions, arming proxy conflicts, circling the planet with hundreds of military bases, and flirting with nuclear armageddon."
So true. And those of us who want a peaceful, decent, civilized, liveable world are considered radical in the context these people create.
I'm glad she included the graph with the death tolls from sanctions. I knew it was going to be a grotesquely large number of people, but 38 million was still a surprise (and that's only through 2021). It's also very revealing that the Democratic administrations, the self-proclaimed "party of peace", are no better than Rethuglican ones.
Edit: I suspect the only reason why the death tolls in later years are not as high is because countries like Russia, Iran, and Venezuela have gone to the trouble of "sanction-proofing" their economies as much as possible. BRICS+ for the win!
This should come as NO surprise to anyone. I watched a recent interview between Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson said, he had US officials privately telling him that Israel runs the US Government.
No one in the US Government because they are bought off by the likes of Mossad or Miriam Adelson have the balls to place the State of Israel as a "foreign agent", thereby not allowing them to dictate US foreign policy.
Sure, blame everything on anyone BUT the U.S., why not? Haven't you yet realized that Tucker Carlson (and his ilk) are America First and all about 'American Exceptionalism'?
Too many people are STILL being fooled/conned into thinking that 'Israel controls the U.S.', etc. The U.S. Empire Managers love such 'false narratives', as it gives them cover to pretend that they are not the 'head of the snake', the uber-terrorists.
Utter bullshit. When you have members of Congress and the US Government visiting Israel and have their picture taken huddled around BeeBee Nutten-Yahoo. When you have BeeBee addressing Congress, that indicates that the US Government is beholden to Israel and does as it says. We have more than just Tucker saying that the US Government has been bought and comprised by Israel. We have gone into wars we shouldn't have because Israel needed the US to take out its enemies.
So Tucker is correct and you are wrong. Again, Israel operates as a fucking Mafia Crime Family.
Sorry, your explanation failed. But of course, you wouldn't be able to see it any other way. That's what 'american exceptionalism' does to Americans - similar to what 'Jewish Exceptionalism/Supremacy' does to Israeli Jews/Zionists.
Your WHOLE worldview revolves around your belief (just as an Israeli Zionist's worldview revolves around their beliefs). All the DATA POINTS you use in your analysis/opinion come from many of the following fallacies/biases - availability bias, survivorship bias, confirmation bias (look these up).
>>"Israel operates as a fucking Mafia Crime Family."
YES! And worse. Israel would put the mafia to shame.
What you (and many others) fail to realize is that TWO things can be TRUE at the same time. Just because Israel is EVIL does not automatically translate to 'Israel controls the U.S.'. If you studied World History, you would know that the U.S. Empire is magnitudes of EVIL worse than anyone else (did you read this current article by Caitlin and look at the graph provided by Jason Hickle? (https://x.com/jasonhickel/status/1967151376200544495))
38 Million deaths (upto 2021 - before the recent Genocide started). Think again!
haha, you have fallen into the trap of plausible denialism. Israel controls the US just like the hand that types this message controls my entire body. Z1onism is another flavor of fascism that's using human shields of jewish identity to deflect criticism.
Free Palestine and all will be free? Control the narrative at this moment. Israel is a Terrorist Genociding Made Up State. Could canceling it help "We"? Help Wanted. Free Palestine and the world from the Colonizers.
So glad you called out the so-called “moderates” for the extremists they are, Caitlin. They’ve been hiding behind this label for far too long. It gives them legitimacy, when they should have none. Have you noticed that the application of “moderate” and “centrist” is mostly self-labeling. The Democrats are especially adept at this. You can find them on a regular basis in the comment sections of the NYT, complaining about the “extremists” and “leftists” in the party. There are no leftists in the Democratic Party, and, since the election of Clinton, it has absorbed right wing Republicans who call themselves Democrats (and “centrists”), who, as Chris Hedges has noted, have basically taken over the party.
I was recently called a Trump enabler by a self-labeled “communist” on Substack, Paul Street, who championed in a column the publication by talking head Rachel Maddow of a book on fascism. In the nearly two years of the genocide in Gaza, Maddow, and most of her cohorts on MSNBC have not once, that’s right, not even a single time, uttered the word Gaza, much less, “genocide.” If you don’t even acknowledge that a place exists (like the Israeli’s with respect to Palestine), you obviously don’t need to acknowledge a genocide.
Maddow has had a platform on MSNBC several times a week for the nearly two years since the atrocities began, but, as demonstrated by her total lack of coverage, they’re not worth mentioning. Yet they will spend days, not hours, discussing Jimmy Kimmel’s suspension from ABC and James Comey’s indictment — you know, the things that work up the base.
Street admonished the”left” for its failure to acknowledge the need to “work with” “moderates” like Maddow to fight fascism. When I commented that total silence about a genocide made one complicit in it and removed any claim to moderation, Street launched into a vitriolic attack on me and another commenter. I also pointed out in my comment that “working with” “centrist” Democrats like Maddow generally meant voting for the “centrist” Democrat of their choice (one who has consistently supported genocide) , that is, staying in line. That earned me Street’s label of Trump enabler, except that he created a semi-German word to label me, presumably comparing me to a Nazi.
It’s worth noting, too, that in her book (which I have not read, but did hear her describe in an interview) Maddow included “antisemitism” as an element of fascism. I don’t pretend to be an expert on fascism, but nothing I have read by scholars on the subject includes antisemitism as an element. Jews were of course the primary target of the Nazis, but more generally, fascism is defined among other things as including an oppressed, generally minority group, to be scapegoated and demonized. So, including antisemitism as an element conveniently excludes by definition Israel as a potential perpetrator of fascism, even though it meets all of the elements of the definition according to scholars of both genocide and fascism.
I think you have hit upon one of the most important challenges of our time — the misuse of language and labels to excuse extremists for their extremism. What’s more extreme than genocide, or enabling genocide by your silence? The problem is, genocide against the Palestinians has been normalized by these same people — the propagandists in the mainstream media, the politicians of both parties, and the people who vote for them. Thus, one of our most important challenges is calling them out, setting things straight. Otherwise, we’re accepting a truly Orwellian world.
I would call these freaks not only extremists, but also Nazis. They are the fulfillment of Adolf Hitler's dream. The United States, its colonies, and its followers are the worst thing that Hitler could have imagined.
Has it ever occurred to you that almost everything you believe to be true about the National Socialists is propaganda disseminated by the same disgusting people who you recognize today as SERIAL LIARS irrevocably leading our world to endless, murderous WAR, Mr. Sobolev?
Could it be time to reevaluate your POV, based on FACTS, not on the hyperbolic, self-serving inventions of the Tribe's collective criminal mindset?
What part of, "They LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!" do you and so many others have such difficulty understanding?
Grow up, Carolyn. I'll bet you a gazzillion dollars that you don't even know the true meaning of the word, "nazi".
"Nazi" was a Bavarian pejorative meaning "country bumpkin", "rube", "yokel"... you get the idea...
It was adopted by a scummy jewish propagandist Konrad Heiden as his method of insulting the emergent German political party. It was universally adopted by the international jewish press as their "insider private joke", and here you are - 10 decades later still spewing the same idiotic propaganda.
What part of, "THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!" do you have such difficulty understanding?
Dear Caitlin, you've summed it up in just a few lines. Those responsible are the money controllers who appoint governments and finance states and multinationals. Everything else is a consequence.
You can’t fund a genocide, attack a sovereign country (Iran), threaten the people of another country (Russia and China), and try and use coercion (tariffs and sanctions) to manipulate the economies of the world and call yourself a “Democracy” and nation that stands by “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Well, the problem is that you can do that, and they do do that. It just isn't true, but for those that want to believe, or avoid the flack, they are more than happy to hear, and rely on, that story.
Very clear and incisive. Criminals exposed. As if we still believe in "creating peace through war", "Forced behaviour change" (WEF) and Forced Peace (i.e. silence).
A "what the hell happened to my blue skies?" extremist.
A silence extremist. (I cannot stand pointless noise and will get irate at those who make it.)
A good poetry extremist. (I hate the vast majority of the dreck written by my worthy contemporaries.)
A fine art extremist. (I hate most contemporary art. I particularly dislike the commerce and institutions behind it.)
A medieval architecture extremist. (The myths of Christianity are silly, but the art and architecture are sublime. I'll take a thousand-year-old Romanesque country church over anything by Frank Gehry or I.M. Pei. The sober stone monuments will still be standing long after those houses of cards have fallen.)
A Technicolor extremist. (Cinema has been all downhill since celluloid was scrapped as too expensive in order to pay vast undeserved sums to untalented actors unworthy even to light Charles Boyer's cigarette.)
An analogue extremist. (Pop music has been all downhill since the onset of digital.)
A blogger-in-his-mother's-basement extremist. (I'll take the disinterested ravings of a self-styled commentator, however idiotic, over the corrupt, manipulative, prehensile fumes of anything in the New York Times or on TV.)
A truth extremist. (I've always relied on my lying eyes. And sense of smell.)
Excellent as always. And what you write here is tied in together, highlighted, in Rob Urie's (Journal of Belligerent Pontification) outstanding newest article (especially in the section of his article titled "Palestine")...
The bad evil mother fuckers are winning. Witness the UN today allowing the ICC indicted war mongering coward and thug and criminal to vomit his racist Nazi fascist hatred out for the world to see. Bravo to the UN members who walked out on this vile ICC indicted war criminal Cunt. But the idf thugs and cowards continue their slaughter. Of innocent unarmed civilians. The orange freak continues his crusade to overthrow the USA gov't, soon militarily. Dear God. Run for the fucking hills and fight back like hell.
"The extremists who are inflicting the real violence and abuse in our world are the ones committing genocide, starting wars, backing blockades, imposing starvation sanctions, arming proxy conflicts, circling the planet with hundreds of military bases, and flirting with nuclear armageddon."
So true. And those of us who want a peaceful, decent, civilized, liveable world are considered radical in the context these people create.
Well put.
I agree 100%. They are killers in expensive suits, oozing lies as they condemn people to death.
I am a violent extremist too. Anyone who disrespects or abuses women, children, or minority people will see my fists up close.
I'm glad she included the graph with the death tolls from sanctions. I knew it was going to be a grotesquely large number of people, but 38 million was still a surprise (and that's only through 2021). It's also very revealing that the Democratic administrations, the self-proclaimed "party of peace", are no better than Rethuglican ones.
Edit: I suspect the only reason why the death tolls in later years are not as high is because countries like Russia, Iran, and Venezuela have gone to the trouble of "sanction-proofing" their economies as much as possible. BRICS+ for the win!
Sure!
They are bad, We are good.
This should come as NO surprise to anyone. I watched a recent interview between Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson said, he had US officials privately telling him that Israel runs the US Government.
No one in the US Government because they are bought off by the likes of Mossad or Miriam Adelson have the balls to place the State of Israel as a "foreign agent", thereby not allowing them to dictate US foreign policy.
Nothing new about that. It's been like this since forever, it seems. The US is occupied territory.
Sure, blame everything on anyone BUT the U.S., why not? Haven't you yet realized that Tucker Carlson (and his ilk) are America First and all about 'American Exceptionalism'?
Too many people are STILL being fooled/conned into thinking that 'Israel controls the U.S.', etc. The U.S. Empire Managers love such 'false narratives', as it gives them cover to pretend that they are not the 'head of the snake', the uber-terrorists.
Utter bullshit. When you have members of Congress and the US Government visiting Israel and have their picture taken huddled around BeeBee Nutten-Yahoo. When you have BeeBee addressing Congress, that indicates that the US Government is beholden to Israel and does as it says. We have more than just Tucker saying that the US Government has been bought and comprised by Israel. We have gone into wars we shouldn't have because Israel needed the US to take out its enemies.
So Tucker is correct and you are wrong. Again, Israel operates as a fucking Mafia Crime Family.
Sorry, your explanation failed. But of course, you wouldn't be able to see it any other way. That's what 'american exceptionalism' does to Americans - similar to what 'Jewish Exceptionalism/Supremacy' does to Israeli Jews/Zionists.
Your WHOLE worldview revolves around your belief (just as an Israeli Zionist's worldview revolves around their beliefs). All the DATA POINTS you use in your analysis/opinion come from many of the following fallacies/biases - availability bias, survivorship bias, confirmation bias (look these up).
>>"Israel operates as a fucking Mafia Crime Family."
YES! And worse. Israel would put the mafia to shame.
What you (and many others) fail to realize is that TWO things can be TRUE at the same time. Just because Israel is EVIL does not automatically translate to 'Israel controls the U.S.'. If you studied World History, you would know that the U.S. Empire is magnitudes of EVIL worse than anyone else (did you read this current article by Caitlin and look at the graph provided by Jason Hickle? (https://x.com/jasonhickel/status/1967151376200544495))
38 Million deaths (upto 2021 - before the recent Genocide started). Think again!
haha, you have fallen into the trap of plausible denialism. Israel controls the US just like the hand that types this message controls my entire body. Z1onism is another flavor of fascism that's using human shields of jewish identity to deflect criticism.
"Extremist" simply means "anyone who opposes the existing power structure".
"Terrorist" means "freedom fighter for a cause I don't like".
Power to the People.
All systems eventually become oligarchies.
Off to listen to the Who "We Won't Be Fooled Again" and then Wolfe Zio Blitzer Happening Now CNN update.
“Power to the people”
Yes, but that is the problem isn’t it? “The people” are you and me. Yet, look at the messes We have created.
Free Palestine and all will be free? Control the narrative at this moment. Israel is a Terrorist Genociding Made Up State. Could canceling it help "We"? Help Wanted. Free Palestine and the world from the Colonizers.
So glad you called out the so-called “moderates” for the extremists they are, Caitlin. They’ve been hiding behind this label for far too long. It gives them legitimacy, when they should have none. Have you noticed that the application of “moderate” and “centrist” is mostly self-labeling. The Democrats are especially adept at this. You can find them on a regular basis in the comment sections of the NYT, complaining about the “extremists” and “leftists” in the party. There are no leftists in the Democratic Party, and, since the election of Clinton, it has absorbed right wing Republicans who call themselves Democrats (and “centrists”), who, as Chris Hedges has noted, have basically taken over the party.
I was recently called a Trump enabler by a self-labeled “communist” on Substack, Paul Street, who championed in a column the publication by talking head Rachel Maddow of a book on fascism. In the nearly two years of the genocide in Gaza, Maddow, and most of her cohorts on MSNBC have not once, that’s right, not even a single time, uttered the word Gaza, much less, “genocide.” If you don’t even acknowledge that a place exists (like the Israeli’s with respect to Palestine), you obviously don’t need to acknowledge a genocide.
Maddow has had a platform on MSNBC several times a week for the nearly two years since the atrocities began, but, as demonstrated by her total lack of coverage, they’re not worth mentioning. Yet they will spend days, not hours, discussing Jimmy Kimmel’s suspension from ABC and James Comey’s indictment — you know, the things that work up the base.
Street admonished the”left” for its failure to acknowledge the need to “work with” “moderates” like Maddow to fight fascism. When I commented that total silence about a genocide made one complicit in it and removed any claim to moderation, Street launched into a vitriolic attack on me and another commenter. I also pointed out in my comment that “working with” “centrist” Democrats like Maddow generally meant voting for the “centrist” Democrat of their choice (one who has consistently supported genocide) , that is, staying in line. That earned me Street’s label of Trump enabler, except that he created a semi-German word to label me, presumably comparing me to a Nazi.
It’s worth noting, too, that in her book (which I have not read, but did hear her describe in an interview) Maddow included “antisemitism” as an element of fascism. I don’t pretend to be an expert on fascism, but nothing I have read by scholars on the subject includes antisemitism as an element. Jews were of course the primary target of the Nazis, but more generally, fascism is defined among other things as including an oppressed, generally minority group, to be scapegoated and demonized. So, including antisemitism as an element conveniently excludes by definition Israel as a potential perpetrator of fascism, even though it meets all of the elements of the definition according to scholars of both genocide and fascism.
I think you have hit upon one of the most important challenges of our time — the misuse of language and labels to excuse extremists for their extremism. What’s more extreme than genocide, or enabling genocide by your silence? The problem is, genocide against the Palestinians has been normalized by these same people — the propagandists in the mainstream media, the politicians of both parties, and the people who vote for them. Thus, one of our most important challenges is calling them out, setting things straight. Otherwise, we’re accepting a truly Orwellian world.
Anyone who listens to ( or reads) Rachel Madcow is a fool.
I would call these freaks not only extremists, but also Nazis. They are the fulfillment of Adolf Hitler's dream. The United States, its colonies, and its followers are the worst thing that Hitler could have imagined.
Has it ever occurred to you that almost everything you believe to be true about the National Socialists is propaganda disseminated by the same disgusting people who you recognize today as SERIAL LIARS irrevocably leading our world to endless, murderous WAR, Mr. Sobolev?
Could it be time to reevaluate your POV, based on FACTS, not on the hyperbolic, self-serving inventions of the Tribe's collective criminal mindset?
What part of, "They LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!" do you and so many others have such difficulty understanding?
What about it do YOU fail to understand? You praise the Nazis and you are a Nazi.
Grow up, Carolyn. I'll bet you a gazzillion dollars that you don't even know the true meaning of the word, "nazi".
"Nazi" was a Bavarian pejorative meaning "country bumpkin", "rube", "yokel"... you get the idea...
It was adopted by a scummy jewish propagandist Konrad Heiden as his method of insulting the emergent German political party. It was universally adopted by the international jewish press as their "insider private joke", and here you are - 10 decades later still spewing the same idiotic propaganda.
What part of, "THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!" do you have such difficulty understanding?
the ruling class lied about opposing the nazis who were (are) their 'useful idiots'.
Dear Caitlin, you've summed it up in just a few lines. Those responsible are the money controllers who appoint governments and finance states and multinationals. Everything else is a consequence.
You can’t fund a genocide, attack a sovereign country (Iran), threaten the people of another country (Russia and China), and try and use coercion (tariffs and sanctions) to manipulate the economies of the world and call yourself a “Democracy” and nation that stands by “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Excellent summary, TT
Well, the problem is that you can do that, and they do do that. It just isn't true, but for those that want to believe, or avoid the flack, they are more than happy to hear, and rely on, that story.
The West is the axis of applied, long-tern evil.
But it's hegemony will end.
It's not the 18th century.
FREE PALESTINE
DESTROY FASCISM
Very clear and incisive. Criminals exposed. As if we still believe in "creating peace through war", "Forced behaviour change" (WEF) and Forced Peace (i.e. silence).
The fog is lifting.
Entirely correct! Thank you.
The Extremist
I am a fine vintage wine extremist.
A (former) Cleveland Indians extremist.
A late-to-bed, late-to-rise extremist.
A "what the hell happened to my blue skies?" extremist.
A silence extremist. (I cannot stand pointless noise and will get irate at those who make it.)
A good poetry extremist. (I hate the vast majority of the dreck written by my worthy contemporaries.)
A fine art extremist. (I hate most contemporary art. I particularly dislike the commerce and institutions behind it.)
A medieval architecture extremist. (The myths of Christianity are silly, but the art and architecture are sublime. I'll take a thousand-year-old Romanesque country church over anything by Frank Gehry or I.M. Pei. The sober stone monuments will still be standing long after those houses of cards have fallen.)
A Technicolor extremist. (Cinema has been all downhill since celluloid was scrapped as too expensive in order to pay vast undeserved sums to untalented actors unworthy even to light Charles Boyer's cigarette.)
An analogue extremist. (Pop music has been all downhill since the onset of digital.)
A blogger-in-his-mother's-basement extremist. (I'll take the disinterested ravings of a self-styled commentator, however idiotic, over the corrupt, manipulative, prehensile fumes of anything in the New York Times or on TV.)
A truth extremist. (I've always relied on my lying eyes. And sense of smell.)
At the U.N. Pakistan brings up Hind Rajab !
TY all for Palestine. Cancel Israel. Thank you Caitlin and Tim.
Excellent as always. And what you write here is tied in together, highlighted, in Rob Urie's (Journal of Belligerent Pontification) outstanding newest article (especially in the section of his article titled "Palestine")...
https://roburie.substack.com/p/reichstag-fire-and-ice-ukraine-update
Like Supertramp’s song from 1974 - You’re both “Bloody Well Right”.
The bad evil mother fuckers are winning. Witness the UN today allowing the ICC indicted war mongering coward and thug and criminal to vomit his racist Nazi fascist hatred out for the world to see. Bravo to the UN members who walked out on this vile ICC indicted war criminal Cunt. But the idf thugs and cowards continue their slaughter. Of innocent unarmed civilians. The orange freak continues his crusade to overthrow the USA gov't, soon militarily. Dear God. Run for the fucking hills and fight back like hell.