I'm sorry, Omar. Just a tad late with this. I taught immunology for a long time. But I didn't need any of that deep knowledge to recognize an infected wound. Likewise didn't require genius-level cognition to parse the concept "genocide" here.
Scholars of anything are not necessarily empathetic human beings. I think Zionism is akin to Nazism, but I also think that people who are brainwashed with something as horrific as Zionism, be they scholars or people with little education, are going to take a while to get out of it. It is difficult to understand how the world in general has let this happen. In some respects, the people who have just sat by while the genocide in Gaza has been happening are even worse than the Zionists who have been brainwashed to believe all the garbage they believe.
It is difficult "de-programming" a person from a cult such as zionism. To admit that everything you've been taught since childhood is absolutely wrong is a huge shock to the ego. A lot of people will just keep denying reality or have a total nervous break down rather than admit they could have been misled their entire life. I'll give this guy some credit for vocalizing the fact that he was wrong. That's a big step. Now, time for reparations to be made to the Palestinian people.
I give him no credit for his sudden change when the Israeli ministers have said openly, because of their false sense of superiority, that their intention is not only to exterminate all Palestinians but the Whole Middle East. But the voices of the world are being heard and, this guy is trying to cover his arse because of all his writing in favour if this genocide that actually started 77 years ago but is speeding up because we, the people, are now cognisant of their daily slaughter for no other reason than land.what Israeli soldiers have done to abductees needs to be repaid in kind, especially that done to doctors and medics. There can be no forgiveness for these atrocities, ever.
"...........the people who have just sat by while the genocide in Gaza has been happening are even worse than the Zionists.........."
The most glaring example of this is in the Western mainstream media, about which Caitlin is writing today, using the NYT as the example. Just one example and even Caitlin and Tim, who with their ability to research the data for inclusion in their articles have used only the NYT as their example, did not include any other publications. Of course, there may not be any others that have made the change, yet.
Let us hope that this is the beginning for others as well. However, when you research the shareholding, financial ownership and control of USA publications, it doesn't take long to see the why the areas of influence and policy-making we have seen daily as lies and misrepresentations for almost two long years in the media and which surely must have contributed to the lack of understanding by the public as to the crimes like ethnic cleansing, occurring daily along with the inhumane acts and the outright deceitful lies of Israel. Standard practice.
It is the nature of the Zionist beast, with its support from the corrupted USA.
The worst of course are the national broadcasters in places like the UK, Australia, Germany and others where the taxpayer funding of major public media outlets, can be controlled by politicians and tame media managers to reflect a political policy which they seem to have obeyed without question. This is obvious in so many countries.
The worst is the UK. Zionist controls over the BBC policy are so glaringly obvious.
Anyone with a conscience and half a brain-especially a scholar who has lived in Israel-understands that it has always been about the genocidal erasure of Arabs in the region. Kids are taught to chant “Death to the Arabs” in Israeli schools. IDF soldiers are taught “The only good Arab is a dead Arab.” Israel has been committing genocide for over 70 years and now he finally admits it? Perhaps he should have read some of Noam Chomsky’s work.
I had a Jewish work colleague a few years back who told me that Arabs hate Jews. I said that I didn't think that was universally true. After a while, she seemed convinced that that was not really true and she hired an Arabic woman to look after her kids. She stopped saying that and I thought we had made progress. But after October 7th, she told me that I loved Palestinians and not to send her any more articles about what is going on in Israel. I have not communicated with her for over 2 years now. She is otherwise a very empathetic and kind person. She just has these insane and incorrect ideas about Arab (Palestinian) people. That kind of brainwashing does not make any sense at all. It is very difficult to get people out of it. Watch "Israelism" if you have not already watched it. It is a doc made by young Jewish Americans before October 7th.
It is the Europeans who have historically hated Jews-and I say this as a white European who was raised there. All you have to do is read Shakespeare to understand the blatant antisemitism in the European psyche.
It is well known that Arabs and Muslims have lived peacefully beside Jews for centuries and welcomed them into their communities, but this doesn’t work for Zionist propaganda. They need to justify the killing and ethnic cleansing, by claiming that all Arabs hate them.
I agree with you. These people's entire raison-d'etre is being challenged. All 'we' are doing is interpreting what we're seeing with our own eyes. It's no excuse and it's thoroughly evil, as their entire upbringing has been, but it's a more feasible excuse than 'ours', which is based purely on the notion that Israelis are 'like us' and that Palestinians are not. A notion 'we' must now dismantle.
Brainwashing with Zionist ideology or any other way of thinking is really damaging. Look around you. So many people have been brainwashed with so many lies. Women are weak, children should obey, lots of money makes you a better person. At least he eventually realized how wrong he has been. Now there is the emergency Hague meeting happening in Colombia. Francesca Albanese has written her report about corporate aiding and abetting of genocide. Studying a topic that you have chosen to study is not quite the same as having a bunch of propaganda shoved down your throat.
I actually summarized the major corporate, academic, pension funds and other villains in her report -- by category -- as a kind of reference on my substack.
If one expects fascist and genocidal USA and its propaganda machinery NYT, WaPo, etc. to acknowledge its participation in genocide of Palestinian people one must be utterly delusional. All decent normal humans on this planet can see what west's "human rights" and holowcaust industry truly means.
I seriously disagree. I'm sure there are plenty of genocide scholars who called this one from the start--the heavy-handed repression from western states happened because otherwise there would have been far more outcry. And scientists of all stripes are under heavy attack right now, at least in the US--the Trump team are trying to lionize ignorance and vilify the educated--this is NOT a good thing.
Yes, my style is to use JUDGEMENT, as to which issues I am equipped to rely on my own knowledge and "instincts" on, and which I need to defer to those who know what they're talking about--and if the latter are divided, then a lifetime of experience may equip me to figure out which are more trustworthy.
Instinct does not provide information , just reaction. We all get our information somewhere, and if you rule out scholars, it means you prefer propagandists and influencers. Most people are forming their reactions at this point based on the videos out of Gaza....not scholars but witness. Scholars can help us understand the concept and history of genocide and provide context for our reactions.
You are right Mary,but I think you should expand your focus....Trump is an "end game"player...most of the things you complain about occurred years ago under Democrat admins.......many of us regular folk out here have been warning people for years this is coming,not criticizing,trying to help.....thanks
If change is to come, the stale claim of duopoly will be in the way, for other than a transformation of the Democratic party, which has happened several times in US history, there is no visible way to effect change The Democratic Party turned right under Clinton and became a tool of the privileged class, provoking the claims of duopoly, but only within the Democrat Party are democratic socialists and progresses poised to take over and move the party back to the left...and it is impossible, short of fantasies, to envison any other way to make change of any significance. The Republican Party (which voted 97% for war in Iraq while the Democratic voted 60% against....) is a monolith with some signs of fracture but none that would bring change, while the Democratic party, today, is a battlefield between the old liberal establishment and the new fired up progressive wing, a fight that will determine the future of the party and the US. You can stand back and heckle or join the fight for change.
I am an American,George warned us of party machinations and here we are,you are not going to fix the system using the system.....it's freedom or tyranny.
The images of Gaza, the traumatized children, the dead in white sheets, people fighting for food, an entire city reduced to rubble, have overridden the lies (human shields, self-defense, the most moral military in history) like a hammer to a nut, smashing the lies into shreds. The entire world sees what is happening, genocide in plain sight, the essence of the effort to destroy a people with mass murder, physical destruction, starvation, and denial that they even exist.
A recent comment I have seen more than once is to mock the idea that Gazans are starving, with comments like "Look how fat they are." That such scum exists on this earth makes me ashamed to belong to the human species.
But, too late but not too late, even the media, which every night shows us the horrors of the genocide, even the American people, have had enough. And so what we need now is action...massive protests, public pressure, annihilating mockery of the lies. The videos of suffering children, the truth of the "war of self-defense," night after night have touched the conscience of most people on this earth, even those that have supported the "right to defend itself" as the suffering becomes undeniable and Israel becomes a monster in the eyes of the world. How it will end, we do not know, but this we do know, the world has witnessed the most horrible mass murder of our century and the voices unafraid to call it out are growing every day Writers like Caitlin keep the fire of resistance burning and inspire us to speak out without fear, to save our own souls by joining the struggle to stop the genocide and hold those responsible accountable.
They been killing the Palestinians on a daily basis since May 14, 1948. The Zionists never had the slightest intention of sharing anything with the Palestinians. I knew on Oct.8th it was going to be a genocide.
I think it was before that. Mossad is known as the most effective, and most ruthless, of spy agencies, and Gaza as the most heavily surveilled place on Earth. How likely is it that an event of the magnitude of Oct 7th could have come as a complete surprise, an "intelligence failure" or as media said in the first days "Israel's 9/11" until they realized that most Americans think 9/11 was at least partly an inside job. No, much more likely is that while Al Aqsa Flood was cooked up by Hamas, Mossad and the leadership saw the potential for using it to justify another Nakba. So they made sure it succeeded, reasoning that a thousand dead Israelis was worth it to clean out Gaza of Palestinians--so they could fill it with Jewish settlers, exploit the gas offshore and keep all the proceeds for themselves, put in a planned canal along the northern border to rival the Suez--and then turn their attentions to getting rid of the Palestinians in the West Bank. I believe their idea was that they needed a horrific 10/7 to get away with had to be a horrific Holocaust in Gaza, which had to be horrific enough to force Egypt to accept a million refugees. That part didn't work out. They did have a lot of success--they actually got most of the most powerful governments in the world to prosecute their own citizens, violate their own constitutions, in support of a genocide.
It does NOT matter if October 7 was a set-up, false flag, or whatever. The fact is that ONLY Palestinians have the right to self-defense - legally and legitimately. shitsrael has none. Most people in the world understand that.
Of course it matters! If we do not understand history, we are impotent to avoid repeating it. All people have the right to defend themselves....the question is whether the far right Zionist rulers of Israel are defending a people or using self-defense as a cover for destroying a people in the way of their Zionist mission of a Greater Israel, an expanded ethnostate. Even in the Hamas charter of 2017, they recognize the rights of Jews, while pointing out the enemy NOT as the Jews as a religion or people but the Zionist project to destroy Palestine.
Good point: even under legal occupation, the occupying power must provide
public order and safety
basic services
and no annexing territory
When the occupaton is illegal, there is no claim of self-defense:
Action Legal Status
Annexation of occupied territory Illegal under international law
Killing civilians, torture, or collective punishment War crimes
Forced population transfers or settlement building War crimes under Rome Statute
Destruction of property not justified by military necessity War crime
Not transferring its own population into the occupied territory. So either way, Israel is in violation of international law and is, without dispute (rational), committing war crimes.
He’s a great example of the evil of these “zionists”, he is saying “100,000 dead Palestinians later I can admit this is a genocide” that’s evil, these people are pure evil!
I wouldn't be surprised if it is higher than that. And don't forget all the people in the West Bank. Should I expand it to Lebanon & Syria too? The Isralis, Zionists, and the U.S. Empire have been perpetrating MULTIPLE Genocides at once (IMHO), a Poly-Genocide?
Everyone pay attention this is what’s to come you will start seeing people pushing the narrative that Israel is a small country of innocent people and they are a pariah of big bad America! Trying to flip the script, take the heat off Israel and put it on the American citizen! You heard it here first!
You seriously are dumb, arent' you? Who ever said Israel is innocent? In what world would Israel EVER be innocent? The U.S. Empire is as responsible for this Genocide as Israel is. BOTH are EVIL! Do you understand now? (I',m assuming no).
US empire is Jewish, Mossad controls cia, you don’t understand how occupied the United States is we are occupied by Israel it’s that simple, there’s only 2 classes of hierarchy it’s Jews and gentile
There is no us empire lol it’s Israel, if you think the us empire is a thing then you’ve lost the plot already! The greatest trick the devil played is making you think he didn’t exist, well the devil has been using America as a host body to do its dirty deeds for quite some time, the American people are very good people, it took a lot to wake up a little but I’ll go to bat for my fellow Americans any chance I get! We are getting screwed by a government of foreigners we have no control over we are currently as occupied as we have been since defeating Britain! I’ll do a whole Substack on it all if you don’t believe me! When you mention the us empire next to Zionists and Israelis you are mixing it up, at the end of the day it’s not Zionists it’s not the us empire, it’s Israelis, plain and simple. If you don’t see that, then you are blind.
You have it backwards HenryPattonFord. There is NO Israel without the U.S. Empire. What is absurd about your statement is that Israel IS PART OF the U.S. Empire.
I hope you're not one of those that have been indoctrinated by 'American Exceptionalism'. The U.S. Empire is THE GREATEST EVIL on the planet in modern history bar none. (Check out the American Empire Project for more info - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Empire_Project)
lol wiki? I have no reason to respond to such stupidity. With a response like that you may well be incapable from understanding truth, you are clearly incapable of comprehending anything that doesn’t agree with your big bad America theory, it just doesn’t hold up. If what you say was true JFK would’ve had Israel so scared of big bad America they would’ve registered aipac as a foreign lobby and then ended the Cold War because the communist Jews in ussr would’ve been scared of the big bad Americans lmfao. If you were telling facts JFk would still be alive, the liberty would be still in floating, saddam and gaffafi would be alive, and that’s just post ww2, you won’t find that on wiki, next time you want to insult my intelligence do a better job!
You're an idiot HenryPattonFord. Read the 32 books in 'the American Empire Project'. Educate yourself. Or don't - you seem beyond help anyways (based on your above comment).
I thank you though, for your part in 'the eventual demise of the U.S. Empire' -> what will eventually take it down is stupid people (at all levels of the class hierarchy) much like yourself. 🙏
And, the Lancet says at least 180,000 Palestinians dead at the minimum. Those huge apartment buildings that Israel leveled on 10/08/23 were filled with thousands of people. Many bodies were simply evaporated or shredded. The Zionists are scumbags.
I think they are closer to 1 million then they are to 0 at this point, i tell you what though if there was some magic camp Israel could build to take out all 2 million in a few months according to there ww2 math you know they would’ve built that already! This genocide sort of disproves that magic 6 million number, just my 2 Pennies no pun intended, tell me when I am telling lies, Also seeing the money and power these “zionists” have, I highly doubt they were this poor victimized people who were taken to murder camps on trains less then 100 years ago, the longer this genocide in Gaza goes on the more the narrative we were taught in school on ww2 falls apart, what’s unintended consequences in Hebrew and Yiddish? lol
NYT is Jewish owned press, that’s why it took this long, they could no longer ignore it. Even the press that isn’t owned by Jews, well the guy who owns the paper, odds are he was video taped in precarious situations by his Jewish bankers, last time I checked, Jews only not charging interest on other Jews is much older then “Zionism” I know this must be uncomfortable court some of you to listen to, the truth is sometimes uncomfortable. Comfort is a feeling it’s got not much to do with logic, which creates the reaction. Time to wake up and realize you have been played
Those so called scholars will say whatever they are paid to say us colleges are sess pools, I don’t give a shit any being called anti semetic especially by people who can’t prove they are even semetic as they genocide the people who can prove they are semetic! This movement will go nowhere until people stop being all scared of getting called anti semetic and go all the way you gotta take the goy pill ! If you hate Nick Fuentes more then Netanyahu or the idf then odds are your not pro Palestine and anti genocide, you’re still brainwashed by the pedo moloch worshippers! And I’m not saying every single Jew is bad but when you’re surrounded by 100 sharks does it matter if 1 doesn’t think it’s ok to eat you?
That is not what he is saying. Calling a scholar now realizing that we are dealing with genocide as the enemy is suicidal the movement for Palestinian rights. Purging those who join later would destroy the movement, as it began as a small movement and only gains power as others join on the way to a movement powerful enough to effect change. It is always so. I would suggest better late than never as a greeting of welcome rather than a suicidal denunciation.
Also sounds like you didn’t read any of his older work, which means you can’t possibly know his articles celebrating the genocide, when I said I do my research I wasn’t kidding, learning about the author is as important as reading the book itself, that goes with anything!
I appreciate you thinking this man just noticed but he didn’t, he was happy about the genocide he just read the room and realized he needed to speak out against it if he wanted to maintain a shred of credibility!
This is now happening on the CBC online news now too. It's startling after all this time of genocide denial. This looks like a sign that Palestine has won the moral battle.
I’ve been following and supporting Palestinian rights since 1979, and I can say there has been a tectonic shift in broad public awareness and attitudes regarding Palestine. Here in backwater Victoria I have seen graffiti ‘Free Palestine’ and Palestinian flags hanging from houses. This would have been unheard three or four years ago.
However, the elites are united as never before in their support for Israel and willingness to excommunicate, so to speak, anyone who speaks out against the Zionist consensus.
The elites are the only people who matter. Not us peons.
Unfortunately winning the moral battle won't help the Palestinians in time as they are about to be crammed into an even tinier concentration camp. Meanwhile, they are being killed daily while waiting for food, yet Trump just approved another 50 million to the GHO. If ever there was an oxymoron, Gaza Humanitarian Org is one. There nothing remotely humanitarian about what they are doing to the Palestinians. Their latest little trick is putting spoiled food or food laced with drugs in the food bags.
Have you noticed how they ALWAYS choose 'Orwelian names' (i.e. doublespeak - Any language deliberately constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, often by employing euphemism or ambiguity, typically used by governments or large institutions) for their 'missions', etc.?
Yes Caitlin, you and Tim have been tireless in saying the truth of a genocide. But no credit to the NYT or its experts who were covering up for Israel all this time. What sort of humans are they when they waited two years and up to more than 200,000 dead Palestinians to try to regain a semblance of decency? This goes for all the mainstream media, the US/West ruling class and all those holocaust deniers - I mean the second holocaust.
Bartov shouldn't receive any particular credit for showing up late with his moral clarity on the genocide question( which of course, is not in question at all except by the lying class and the defenders of warped zion-Nazism). Why couldn't this "genocide scholar" have reached his stated conclusion much sooner than he did? What caused him to be so remarkably blind to the atrocities being committed by Isra-Hell? Thanks for nothing Bartov!
It's called "cognitive dissonance." It's not a blindness as much as a psychological state that it is too painful to even contemplate that you could be wrong or have been misled. This is Bartov in a nutshell. Amazing he didn't have a stroke or a mental breakdown when he came to this realization.
I think it could be "cognitive dissonance" that is the problem. Or it could be that Bartov became an unprincipled pig because he was so brainwashed with Zionist thinking. Either way, at least he has stopped supporting genocide. In my mind, this does not make him a wonderful person or someone who deserves sympathy. But I do think it is useful to keep in mind the fragility of the human psyche in some humans. I think it is important for the rest of us, scholars or not, to try to hang on to our own humanity.
Perhaps Bartov is deserving of no special credit, but I am sure he is getting a flood of angry letters, emails, people demanding that he be expelled from Schul, etc..
He probably is. That's why it's so difficult for zionists to admit that their entire upbringing and learning since childhood has been "wrong." You lose your identity and possibly all your friends', colleagues' and family member's love and respect when you tell them you don't believe everything you were taught before. The subconscious mind tries hard to keep the conscious mind from acting on this new information that is a threat to the ego. So, no, he's not "special" but he's to be pitied if he doesn't make any new friends now that he's admitted Israel is committing a genocide.
I suspect that there is a similar dynamic in the Catholic priesthood. On top a that, a former religious has no immediate family (brothers and sisters are getting on with their own lives now) and the job market for ex-priests is not exactly booming. Not to mention there is always the question lurking in the background - "why'd you leave? No, really, what's the *real* reason you up and left?" And that is assuming that you have no skeletons in your own closet.
So, it must be hard to start over at the age of 43 or so. I honestly can sympathize. It's why a lot of people stay.
So I guess it wasn’t genocide until Bartov said so. The self importance of these “experts” I find beyond belief. I’m glad even the NYT is finally admitting it and every step closer to acknowledging and stopping the genocide is a step in the right direction
I've been reading the NYTs daily for over 50 years. Last week, I was SO fed up with the Times for ignoring Gaza that I canceled my subscription, and told them why. So this opinion column is too little, too late, and we all know the editor of the Times would NEVER write something like this, as it might "offend" the sensibilities of their Zionist Overlords. The paper has gone downhill so fast, it's sad. I've still been taking it for crossword puzzle and the obits, but they've dumbed down the puzzle until it's not fun to do anymore. Goodbye NYT, you were once a great newspaper, but I'll never give you another cent.
No need for apology, some of mine turn out so messed that Zionists have no idea what spellcheck thought the word was. Keeping a tight eye on it doesn't help when it changes after you click post.
I am sorry Lily, but NYT was always pro-Israel and pro-genocide western propaganda machinery. Maybe local news is OK, but international news was always serving and justifying USA's genocidal wars all over the planet bringing "freedoms and democracy".
If you're a researcher, fine, but for others I believe it's actually dangerous, as propaganda like that which the NYT contains has become incredibly sophisticated--it is expertly designed to infect minds. Much safer IMHO to stay far away from all such propaganda.
The same pattern they always do: pretend and delay the truth until the outcome can't be changed. Nobody I'm these institutions tells the truth when it has real consequence.
Until the government officials and media managers responsible for facilitating genocide are held accountable, no number of 20-month-late opinion pieces is going to make any difference. Populations in genocide-enabling countries are responsible for the actions and inaction of their political leaders and propaganda producers.
"Truth is slowly beginning to get a word in edgewise."
It's amazing how much time and effort it takes to break through the establishment's narrative, but we're getting into the "cracks" as UN Special Rapporteur for Occupied Palestine Francesca Albanese says: "It's a sign the system is cracking; it is punching back. But it will only win if we are scared, if we stop standing with one another."
Keep up it, everyone! The truth will set us ALL free! #FreePalestine
I like the idea, but “the truth shall set us all free” is not yet on the human menu. In time, providing war doesn’t end human time, that saying may prevail, but as of now truth is a very dangerous entity.
I think the genocidaires and their enablers have simply grown tired of trying to deny reality. It doesn't mean they'll stop or admit that they're wrong or evil or should be locked up forever, it just means they don't want to argue with the rest of us any longer. I hope that doesn't mean they're saving up their energy for another big push into Iran.
Because the West (U.S. Empire in particular) doesn't care if the whole world calls it a Genocide - they're going to continue with it anyways. And people should not expect to be surprised if the Genocide doesn't stop with Gaza. I suspect the West Bank is next. After that, they (Israel) may expand to achieve their 'Eretz Israel' objectives (which I believe were planned beginning even before the 1948 nakba).
I'm sorry, Omar. Just a tad late with this. I taught immunology for a long time. But I didn't need any of that deep knowledge to recognize an infected wound. Likewise didn't require genius-level cognition to parse the concept "genocide" here.
Vin, does one really need to be a fucking “genocide scholar” to get it through their thick skulls what it is?
Scholars of anything are not necessarily empathetic human beings. I think Zionism is akin to Nazism, but I also think that people who are brainwashed with something as horrific as Zionism, be they scholars or people with little education, are going to take a while to get out of it. It is difficult to understand how the world in general has let this happen. In some respects, the people who have just sat by while the genocide in Gaza has been happening are even worse than the Zionists who have been brainwashed to believe all the garbage they believe.
It is difficult "de-programming" a person from a cult such as zionism. To admit that everything you've been taught since childhood is absolutely wrong is a huge shock to the ego. A lot of people will just keep denying reality or have a total nervous break down rather than admit they could have been misled their entire life. I'll give this guy some credit for vocalizing the fact that he was wrong. That's a big step. Now, time for reparations to be made to the Palestinian people.
I give him no credit for his sudden change when the Israeli ministers have said openly, because of their false sense of superiority, that their intention is not only to exterminate all Palestinians but the Whole Middle East. But the voices of the world are being heard and, this guy is trying to cover his arse because of all his writing in favour if this genocide that actually started 77 years ago but is speeding up because we, the people, are now cognisant of their daily slaughter for no other reason than land.what Israeli soldiers have done to abductees needs to be repaid in kind, especially that done to doctors and medics. There can be no forgiveness for these atrocities, ever.
I agree, I sense he is running from history painting he and his fellow Genocide supporters as the New Nazis.
No. Even guilty people should never be tortured. That's just wrong. Flatly wrong in all circumstances.
True, but I would not shed a single tear, were they to get what they dished out so gleefully.
For sociopaths learn only from reward and punishment, but they are capable of learning.
Susan
"...........the people who have just sat by while the genocide in Gaza has been happening are even worse than the Zionists.........."
The most glaring example of this is in the Western mainstream media, about which Caitlin is writing today, using the NYT as the example. Just one example and even Caitlin and Tim, who with their ability to research the data for inclusion in their articles have used only the NYT as their example, did not include any other publications. Of course, there may not be any others that have made the change, yet.
Let us hope that this is the beginning for others as well. However, when you research the shareholding, financial ownership and control of USA publications, it doesn't take long to see the why the areas of influence and policy-making we have seen daily as lies and misrepresentations for almost two long years in the media and which surely must have contributed to the lack of understanding by the public as to the crimes like ethnic cleansing, occurring daily along with the inhumane acts and the outright deceitful lies of Israel. Standard practice.
It is the nature of the Zionist beast, with its support from the corrupted USA.
The worst of course are the national broadcasters in places like the UK, Australia, Germany and others where the taxpayer funding of major public media outlets, can be controlled by politicians and tame media managers to reflect a political policy which they seem to have obeyed without question. This is obvious in so many countries.
The worst is the UK. Zionist controls over the BBC policy are so glaringly obvious.
British Bulshit Corporation
You could certainly argue that they're in even deeper denial about the world around them.
Anyone with a conscience and half a brain-especially a scholar who has lived in Israel-understands that it has always been about the genocidal erasure of Arabs in the region. Kids are taught to chant “Death to the Arabs” in Israeli schools. IDF soldiers are taught “The only good Arab is a dead Arab.” Israel has been committing genocide for over 70 years and now he finally admits it? Perhaps he should have read some of Noam Chomsky’s work.
I had a Jewish work colleague a few years back who told me that Arabs hate Jews. I said that I didn't think that was universally true. After a while, she seemed convinced that that was not really true and she hired an Arabic woman to look after her kids. She stopped saying that and I thought we had made progress. But after October 7th, she told me that I loved Palestinians and not to send her any more articles about what is going on in Israel. I have not communicated with her for over 2 years now. She is otherwise a very empathetic and kind person. She just has these insane and incorrect ideas about Arab (Palestinian) people. That kind of brainwashing does not make any sense at all. It is very difficult to get people out of it. Watch "Israelism" if you have not already watched it. It is a doc made by young Jewish Americans before October 7th.
It is the Europeans who have historically hated Jews-and I say this as a white European who was raised there. All you have to do is read Shakespeare to understand the blatant antisemitism in the European psyche.
It is well known that Arabs and Muslims have lived peacefully beside Jews for centuries and welcomed them into their communities, but this doesn’t work for Zionist propaganda. They need to justify the killing and ethnic cleansing, by claiming that all Arabs hate them.
I agree with you. These people's entire raison-d'etre is being challenged. All 'we' are doing is interpreting what we're seeing with our own eyes. It's no excuse and it's thoroughly evil, as their entire upbringing has been, but it's a more feasible excuse than 'ours', which is based purely on the notion that Israelis are 'like us' and that Palestinians are not. A notion 'we' must now dismantle.
“Uh, Duh,” scratches head. I dun went to the Ivy League, hence I might have to call that an interesting but open question, gyp dear.
Then my money’s on us high school graduates, Vin 😉
Brainwashing with Zionist ideology or any other way of thinking is really damaging. Look around you. So many people have been brainwashed with so many lies. Women are weak, children should obey, lots of money makes you a better person. At least he eventually realized how wrong he has been. Now there is the emergency Hague meeting happening in Colombia. Francesca Albanese has written her report about corporate aiding and abetting of genocide. Studying a topic that you have chosen to study is not quite the same as having a bunch of propaganda shoved down your throat.
I actually summarized the major corporate, academic, pension funds and other villains in her report -- by category -- as a kind of reference on my substack.
https://open.substack.com/pub/vinlopresti/p/deep-roots-of-genocide-and-ethnic?r=b8qtt&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
If one expects fascist and genocidal USA and its propaganda machinery NYT, WaPo, etc. to acknowledge its participation in genocide of Palestinian people one must be utterly delusional. All decent normal humans on this planet can see what west's "human rights" and holowcaust industry truly means.
Haslov knows the PMC consensus, the high status position, and will adopt it, whatever it is.
So any dimwit 2-year-old can recognize a genocide but a "genocide scholar" can't?
What other scholars and in how many realms are out there that we clearly shouldn't give the time of day to?
All of 'em.
I seriously disagree. I'm sure there are plenty of genocide scholars who called this one from the start--the heavy-handed repression from western states happened because otherwise there would have been far more outcry. And scientists of all stripes are under heavy attack right now, at least in the US--the Trump team are trying to lionize ignorance and vilify the educated--this is NOT a good thing.
I will continue to trust myself and my own instincts over the words of scholars, thanks.
It has served me quite well.
Perhaps your style serves you well.
Yes, my style is to use JUDGEMENT, as to which issues I am equipped to rely on my own knowledge and "instincts" on, and which I need to defer to those who know what they're talking about--and if the latter are divided, then a lifetime of experience may equip me to figure out which are more trustworthy.
Instinct does not provide information , just reaction. We all get our information somewhere, and if you rule out scholars, it means you prefer propagandists and influencers. Most people are forming their reactions at this point based on the videos out of Gaza....not scholars but witness. Scholars can help us understand the concept and history of genocide and provide context for our reactions.
(WADR, scholars are propagandists and influencers.)
You are right Mary,but I think you should expand your focus....Trump is an "end game"player...most of the things you complain about occurred years ago under Democrat admins.......many of us regular folk out here have been warning people for years this is coming,not criticizing,trying to help.....thanks
I disagree. MANY things are just as bad with Democrats, but not this one. Yje hostility to science and education is a MAGA trip.
You're stuck....step back,widen your view....red/blue is just a distraction...
If change is to come, the stale claim of duopoly will be in the way, for other than a transformation of the Democratic party, which has happened several times in US history, there is no visible way to effect change The Democratic Party turned right under Clinton and became a tool of the privileged class, provoking the claims of duopoly, but only within the Democrat Party are democratic socialists and progresses poised to take over and move the party back to the left...and it is impossible, short of fantasies, to envison any other way to make change of any significance. The Republican Party (which voted 97% for war in Iraq while the Democratic voted 60% against....) is a monolith with some signs of fracture but none that would bring change, while the Democratic party, today, is a battlefield between the old liberal establishment and the new fired up progressive wing, a fight that will determine the future of the party and the US. You can stand back and heckle or join the fight for change.
I am an American,George warned us of party machinations and here we are,you are not going to fix the system using the system.....it's freedom or tyranny.
The images of Gaza, the traumatized children, the dead in white sheets, people fighting for food, an entire city reduced to rubble, have overridden the lies (human shields, self-defense, the most moral military in history) like a hammer to a nut, smashing the lies into shreds. The entire world sees what is happening, genocide in plain sight, the essence of the effort to destroy a people with mass murder, physical destruction, starvation, and denial that they even exist.
A recent comment I have seen more than once is to mock the idea that Gazans are starving, with comments like "Look how fat they are." That such scum exists on this earth makes me ashamed to belong to the human species.
But, too late but not too late, even the media, which every night shows us the horrors of the genocide, even the American people, have had enough. And so what we need now is action...massive protests, public pressure, annihilating mockery of the lies. The videos of suffering children, the truth of the "war of self-defense," night after night have touched the conscience of most people on this earth, even those that have supported the "right to defend itself" as the suffering becomes undeniable and Israel becomes a monster in the eyes of the world. How it will end, we do not know, but this we do know, the world has witnessed the most horrible mass murder of our century and the voices unafraid to call it out are growing every day Writers like Caitlin keep the fire of resistance burning and inspire us to speak out without fear, to save our own souls by joining the struggle to stop the genocide and hold those responsible accountable.
it was ethnic cleansing from the minute they decided to carpet bomb Gaza
They been killing the Palestinians on a daily basis since May 14, 1948. The Zionists never had the slightest intention of sharing anything with the Palestinians. I knew on Oct.8th it was going to be a genocide.
I think it was before that. Mossad is known as the most effective, and most ruthless, of spy agencies, and Gaza as the most heavily surveilled place on Earth. How likely is it that an event of the magnitude of Oct 7th could have come as a complete surprise, an "intelligence failure" or as media said in the first days "Israel's 9/11" until they realized that most Americans think 9/11 was at least partly an inside job. No, much more likely is that while Al Aqsa Flood was cooked up by Hamas, Mossad and the leadership saw the potential for using it to justify another Nakba. So they made sure it succeeded, reasoning that a thousand dead Israelis was worth it to clean out Gaza of Palestinians--so they could fill it with Jewish settlers, exploit the gas offshore and keep all the proceeds for themselves, put in a planned canal along the northern border to rival the Suez--and then turn their attentions to getting rid of the Palestinians in the West Bank. I believe their idea was that they needed a horrific 10/7 to get away with had to be a horrific Holocaust in Gaza, which had to be horrific enough to force Egypt to accept a million refugees. That part didn't work out. They did have a lot of success--they actually got most of the most powerful governments in the world to prosecute their own citizens, violate their own constitutions, in support of a genocide.
It does NOT matter if October 7 was a set-up, false flag, or whatever. The fact is that ONLY Palestinians have the right to self-defense - legally and legitimately. shitsrael has none. Most people in the world understand that.
Of course it matters! If we do not understand history, we are impotent to avoid repeating it. All people have the right to defend themselves....the question is whether the far right Zionist rulers of Israel are defending a people or using self-defense as a cover for destroying a people in the way of their Zionist mission of a Greater Israel, an expanded ethnostate. Even in the Hamas charter of 2017, they recognize the rights of Jews, while pointing out the enemy NOT as the Jews as a religion or people but the Zionist project to destroy Palestine.
Under international law, an occupying force doesn't have a right to self-defence.
Good point: even under legal occupation, the occupying power must provide
public order and safety
basic services
and no annexing territory
When the occupaton is illegal, there is no claim of self-defense:
Action Legal Status
Annexation of occupied territory Illegal under international law
Killing civilians, torture, or collective punishment War crimes
Forced population transfers or settlement building War crimes under Rome Statute
Destruction of property not justified by military necessity War crime
Not transferring its own population into the occupied territory. So either way, Israel is in violation of international law and is, without dispute (rational), committing war crimes.
You hit the nail on the head Mary
He’s a great example of the evil of these “zionists”, he is saying “100,000 dead Palestinians later I can admit this is a genocide” that’s evil, these people are pure evil!
400,000 according to estimates by the British medical journal Lancet.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is higher than that. And don't forget all the people in the West Bank. Should I expand it to Lebanon & Syria too? The Isralis, Zionists, and the U.S. Empire have been perpetrating MULTIPLE Genocides at once (IMHO), a Poly-Genocide?
Yemen and Iran.
Everyone pay attention this is what’s to come you will start seeing people pushing the narrative that Israel is a small country of innocent people and they are a pariah of big bad America! Trying to flip the script, take the heat off Israel and put it on the American citizen! You heard it here first!
You seriously are dumb, arent' you? Who ever said Israel is innocent? In what world would Israel EVER be innocent? The U.S. Empire is as responsible for this Genocide as Israel is. BOTH are EVIL! Do you understand now? (I',m assuming no).
US empire is Jewish, Mossad controls cia, you don’t understand how occupied the United States is we are occupied by Israel it’s that simple, there’s only 2 classes of hierarchy it’s Jews and gentile
Can't fix stupid I guess. Thanks again for your contribution to the eventual demise of the U.S. Empire 🙏
England....
Dennis Kucinch posted an interesting piece a while ago regarding the death count in Gaza:
https://kucinichreport.substack.com/p/war-dust-and-collateral-inhalation
There is no us empire lol it’s Israel, if you think the us empire is a thing then you’ve lost the plot already! The greatest trick the devil played is making you think he didn’t exist, well the devil has been using America as a host body to do its dirty deeds for quite some time, the American people are very good people, it took a lot to wake up a little but I’ll go to bat for my fellow Americans any chance I get! We are getting screwed by a government of foreigners we have no control over we are currently as occupied as we have been since defeating Britain! I’ll do a whole Substack on it all if you don’t believe me! When you mention the us empire next to Zionists and Israelis you are mixing it up, at the end of the day it’s not Zionists it’s not the us empire, it’s Israelis, plain and simple. If you don’t see that, then you are blind.
>>"There is no us empire lol it’s Israel..."
You have it backwards HenryPattonFord. There is NO Israel without the U.S. Empire. What is absurd about your statement is that Israel IS PART OF the U.S. Empire.
I hope you're not one of those that have been indoctrinated by 'American Exceptionalism'. The U.S. Empire is THE GREATEST EVIL on the planet in modern history bar none. (Check out the American Empire Project for more info - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Empire_Project)
lol wiki? I have no reason to respond to such stupidity. With a response like that you may well be incapable from understanding truth, you are clearly incapable of comprehending anything that doesn’t agree with your big bad America theory, it just doesn’t hold up. If what you say was true JFK would’ve had Israel so scared of big bad America they would’ve registered aipac as a foreign lobby and then ended the Cold War because the communist Jews in ussr would’ve been scared of the big bad Americans lmfao. If you were telling facts JFk would still be alive, the liberty would be still in floating, saddam and gaffafi would be alive, and that’s just post ww2, you won’t find that on wiki, next time you want to insult my intelligence do a better job!
You're an idiot HenryPattonFord. Read the 32 books in 'the American Empire Project'. Educate yourself. Or don't - you seem beyond help anyways (based on your above comment).
I thank you though, for your part in 'the eventual demise of the U.S. Empire' -> what will eventually take it down is stupid people (at all levels of the class hierarchy) much like yourself. 🙏
That was nearly a year ago. I think we're likely approaching 1m.
And, the Lancet says at least 180,000 Palestinians dead at the minimum. Those huge apartment buildings that Israel leveled on 10/08/23 were filled with thousands of people. Many bodies were simply evaporated or shredded. The Zionists are scumbags.
I think they are closer to 1 million then they are to 0 at this point, i tell you what though if there was some magic camp Israel could build to take out all 2 million in a few months according to there ww2 math you know they would’ve built that already! This genocide sort of disproves that magic 6 million number, just my 2 Pennies no pun intended, tell me when I am telling lies, Also seeing the money and power these “zionists” have, I highly doubt they were this poor victimized people who were taken to murder camps on trains less then 100 years ago, the longer this genocide in Gaza goes on the more the narrative we were taught in school on ww2 falls apart, what’s unintended consequences in Hebrew and Yiddish? lol
Now that the job is too done to reverse, NYT will finally allow a Damascene conversion narrative (as it were).
NYT is Jewish owned press, that’s why it took this long, they could no longer ignore it. Even the press that isn’t owned by Jews, well the guy who owns the paper, odds are he was video taped in precarious situations by his Jewish bankers, last time I checked, Jews only not charging interest on other Jews is much older then “Zionism” I know this must be uncomfortable court some of you to listen to, the truth is sometimes uncomfortable. Comfort is a feeling it’s got not much to do with logic, which creates the reaction. Time to wake up and realize you have been played
Those so called scholars will say whatever they are paid to say us colleges are sess pools, I don’t give a shit any being called anti semetic especially by people who can’t prove they are even semetic as they genocide the people who can prove they are semetic! This movement will go nowhere until people stop being all scared of getting called anti semetic and go all the way you gotta take the goy pill ! If you hate Nick Fuentes more then Netanyahu or the idf then odds are your not pro Palestine and anti genocide, you’re still brainwashed by the pedo moloch worshippers! And I’m not saying every single Jew is bad but when you’re surrounded by 100 sharks does it matter if 1 doesn’t think it’s ok to eat you?
That is not what he is saying. Calling a scholar now realizing that we are dealing with genocide as the enemy is suicidal the movement for Palestinian rights. Purging those who join later would destroy the movement, as it began as a small movement and only gains power as others join on the way to a movement powerful enough to effect change. It is always so. I would suggest better late than never as a greeting of welcome rather than a suicidal denunciation.
Also sounds like you didn’t read any of his older work, which means you can’t possibly know his articles celebrating the genocide, when I said I do my research I wasn’t kidding, learning about the author is as important as reading the book itself, that goes with anything!
I appreciate you thinking this man just noticed but he didn’t, he was happy about the genocide he just read the room and realized he needed to speak out against it if he wanted to maintain a shred of credibility!
NYT can try to save itself, but it will not succeed.
Also, IsraHELL is done. It's a matter of time. It's over for the last colonial POS entity of our time. Mark these words.
What self respecting person could take the NYT seriously.
This is now happening on the CBC online news now too. It's startling after all this time of genocide denial. This looks like a sign that Palestine has won the moral battle.
I’ve been following and supporting Palestinian rights since 1979, and I can say there has been a tectonic shift in broad public awareness and attitudes regarding Palestine. Here in backwater Victoria I have seen graffiti ‘Free Palestine’ and Palestinian flags hanging from houses. This would have been unheard three or four years ago.
Supporting since 1982 myself in SE US
However, the elites are united as never before in their support for Israel and willingness to excommunicate, so to speak, anyone who speaks out against the Zionist consensus.
The elites are the only people who matter. Not us peons.
Unfortunately winning the moral battle won't help the Palestinians in time as they are about to be crammed into an even tinier concentration camp. Meanwhile, they are being killed daily while waiting for food, yet Trump just approved another 50 million to the GHO. If ever there was an oxymoron, Gaza Humanitarian Org is one. There nothing remotely humanitarian about what they are doing to the Palestinians. Their latest little trick is putting spoiled food or food laced with drugs in the food bags.
Have you noticed how they ALWAYS choose 'Orwelian names' (i.e. doublespeak - Any language deliberately constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, often by employing euphemism or ambiguity, typically used by governments or large institutions) for their 'missions', etc.?
"Keep pushing. Keep fighting. Keep resisting.
It’s working".
Yes Caitlin, you and Tim have been tireless in saying the truth of a genocide. But no credit to the NYT or its experts who were covering up for Israel all this time. What sort of humans are they when they waited two years and up to more than 200,000 dead Palestinians to try to regain a semblance of decency? This goes for all the mainstream media, the US/West ruling class and all those holocaust deniers - I mean the second holocaust.
Bartov shouldn't receive any particular credit for showing up late with his moral clarity on the genocide question( which of course, is not in question at all except by the lying class and the defenders of warped zion-Nazism). Why couldn't this "genocide scholar" have reached his stated conclusion much sooner than he did? What caused him to be so remarkably blind to the atrocities being committed by Isra-Hell? Thanks for nothing Bartov!
That’s right. Any legitimate scholar knows Israel has committed atrocities against Palestinians for decades.
It's called "cognitive dissonance." It's not a blindness as much as a psychological state that it is too painful to even contemplate that you could be wrong or have been misled. This is Bartov in a nutshell. Amazing he didn't have a stroke or a mental breakdown when he came to this realization.
I think it could be "cognitive dissonance" that is the problem. Or it could be that Bartov became an unprincipled pig because he was so brainwashed with Zionist thinking. Either way, at least he has stopped supporting genocide. In my mind, this does not make him a wonderful person or someone who deserves sympathy. But I do think it is useful to keep in mind the fragility of the human psyche in some humans. I think it is important for the rest of us, scholars or not, to try to hang on to our own humanity.
Well stated, Ken 💯
Perhaps Bartov is deserving of no special credit, but I am sure he is getting a flood of angry letters, emails, people demanding that he be expelled from Schul, etc..
He probably is. That's why it's so difficult for zionists to admit that their entire upbringing and learning since childhood has been "wrong." You lose your identity and possibly all your friends', colleagues' and family member's love and respect when you tell them you don't believe everything you were taught before. The subconscious mind tries hard to keep the conscious mind from acting on this new information that is a threat to the ego. So, no, he's not "special" but he's to be pitied if he doesn't make any new friends now that he's admitted Israel is committing a genocide.
"Bartleby The Scrivener" it ain't.
I suspect that there is a similar dynamic in the Catholic priesthood. On top a that, a former religious has no immediate family (brothers and sisters are getting on with their own lives now) and the job market for ex-priests is not exactly booming. Not to mention there is always the question lurking in the background - "why'd you leave? No, really, what's the *real* reason you up and left?" And that is assuming that you have no skeletons in your own closet.
So, it must be hard to start over at the age of 43 or so. I honestly can sympathize. It's why a lot of people stay.
So I guess it wasn’t genocide until Bartov said so. The self importance of these “experts” I find beyond belief. I’m glad even the NYT is finally admitting it and every step closer to acknowledging and stopping the genocide is a step in the right direction
It took them 19 months. Unforgivable.
Too little too late would be an understatement.
The NYT is worth getting if you need kindling for a fire, but never to read.
I've been reading the NYTs daily for over 50 years. Last week, I was SO fed up with the Times for ignoring Gaza that I canceled my subscription, and told them why. So this opinion column is too little, too late, and we all know the editor of the Times would NEVER write something like this, as it might "offend" the sensibilities of their Zionist Overlords. The paper has gone downhill so fast, it's sad. I've still been taking it for crossword puzzle and the obits, but they've dumbed down the puzzle until it's not fun to do anymore. Goodbye NYT, you were once a great newspaper, but I'll never give you another cent.
Proud of you. Every thing, no matter how small, helps.
I stopped my subscription when I realised who owned it.
In general, the elite own the media.. and the elite are the ‘Masters of the Universe’ who are also known as ‘The Chisen’.
Only they tell themselves that, the rest of us know they're not chisen but driven by just for blood - so long as it's someone else's.
Sorry for my spelling… Chosen is more accurate, and more Masterful.
No need for apology, some of mine turn out so messed that Zionists have no idea what spellcheck thought the word was. Keeping a tight eye on it doesn't help when it changes after you click post.
I am sorry Lily, but NYT was always pro-Israel and pro-genocide western propaganda machinery. Maybe local news is OK, but international news was always serving and justifying USA's genocidal wars all over the planet bringing "freedoms and democracy".
The NYT is useful as opposition research.
If you're a researcher, fine, but for others I believe it's actually dangerous, as propaganda like that which the NYT contains has become incredibly sophisticated--it is expertly designed to infect minds. Much safer IMHO to stay far away from all such propaganda.
Always good to know what the PMC consensus is at any given moment.
Or lining litter boxes, Feral 😁
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But don't buy it. Only burn if you find it in recycling.
The same pattern they always do: pretend and delay the truth until the outcome can't be changed. Nobody I'm these institutions tells the truth when it has real consequence.
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It’s disgusting it has taken so long. The NYT is complicit and should be held accountable.
The problem is that accountability left the station a long time ago.
Well, you may recall the fates of Julius Rosenberg and Alfred Streicher, both of whom were journalists in the service of Nazi Germany.
Far as I can tell, neither ever personally harmed a single Jew, but both men hanged at Nuremberg.
Until the government officials and media managers responsible for facilitating genocide are held accountable, no number of 20-month-late opinion pieces is going to make any difference. Populations in genocide-enabling countries are responsible for the actions and inaction of their political leaders and propaganda producers.
There is NEVER any accountability. And that is the problem. If these people faced real repercussions, the situation would be radically different.
"Truth is slowly beginning to get a word in edgewise."
It's amazing how much time and effort it takes to break through the establishment's narrative, but we're getting into the "cracks" as UN Special Rapporteur for Occupied Palestine Francesca Albanese says: "It's a sign the system is cracking; it is punching back. But it will only win if we are scared, if we stop standing with one another."
Keep up it, everyone! The truth will set us ALL free! #FreePalestine
I LOVE THAT WOMAN SO MUCH!!!! ❤️ Brave, outspoken and tireless...she deserves the Nobel Peace Prize more than anyone ever has!
If you’re talking Franshesca, Amen to that.
I like the idea, but “the truth shall set us all free” is not yet on the human menu. In time, providing war doesn’t end human time, that saying may prevail, but as of now truth is a very dangerous entity.
Truth is dangerous because it is powerful... We should wield it wisely.
Taking that as given, the logical question is "Why?" and "Why now?"
I think the genocidaires and their enablers have simply grown tired of trying to deny reality. It doesn't mean they'll stop or admit that they're wrong or evil or should be locked up forever, it just means they don't want to argue with the rest of us any longer. I hope that doesn't mean they're saving up their energy for another big push into Iran.
Because the West (U.S. Empire in particular) doesn't care if the whole world calls it a Genocide - they're going to continue with it anyways. And people should not expect to be surprised if the Genocide doesn't stop with Gaza. I suspect the West Bank is next. After that, they (Israel) may expand to achieve their 'Eretz Israel' objectives (which I believe were planned beginning even before the 1948 nakba).
Trying to save his arse.
“Why now”? My guess, in a card game, if you can keep calling a spade anything but a spade, you will lose everything.