The reason the majority of Americans have turned against Israel is that the videos from Gaza have nullified the tone-deaf narrative about self-defense and human shields. It is, as was the case with Vietnam, that all the official lies and even the media euphemism were overridden by the clear evidence of the photographic evidence.
Ironically, it was Goebbels who first fully realized that film was the most powerful medium of communication in the modern world, and his insight, which the Nazis used to brainwash with manipulated filmed spectacles.
Today, it is this same power of the image that has turned most Democrats to the view that Israel is committing genocide (according to a poll) an most Americans against Israel. Most Americans have been educated by what they have seen in the press and on tv, even as the words accompanying what they saw often denied it.
IF he is stupid , the establishment Democrats who lost to him are even more stupid. The evidence suggests that he is a master propagandist and politician, with a rare selective talent. He has, in fact, used the perception of his stupidity, as did Bush, to defeat his political enemies, showing an understand of Sun Tzu' The Art of War that his opponents do not. HIs perceived stupidity, therefore, is used by Trump to gain advantage by the stupidity of his opponents underestimating him. He IS stupid, but not as much as those who call him stupid. Nevermind.
Musk obviously is not as brilliant as you are landru. And he's also a much bigger nazi than ukies whom the "bomb tesla" nutcases support.
Btw, Tesla owners afraid of being vandalized by shitlib crazies - a tip for you that I recently saw in one Tesla - put a Ukrainian flag or a doll or something blue/yellow on your Tesla to throw them off. Use a sticker "I stand with Ukraine" to help colorblind shitlibs. You'll be safe.
Stupid people don't figure out to become the most powerful person in the world. They do so by having folks like you think they are stupid, when it is those who underestimated both Bush and Trump who got defeated by a smarter strategy
Trump is exceedingly stupid. Have you seen his video about him suggesting injecting the body with bleach/disinfectant to combat Sars-CoV2 virus? (President Trump Suggests ‘Injecting’ Disinfectant as Coronavirus Cure - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE). And he did this with FULL seriousness.
Now, please tell me how that is NOT stupid. Just because someone is stupid doesn't mean they can't be an expert manipulator of people and imaginative and creative at spinning narratives and lies.
Each of us is smart in some ways (I had special ed students whose emotional intelligence was superior) and stupid in others. Trump is stupid in some ways (knowledge of medicine, for instance) but a brilliant political strategist and communicator (propagandists), which you can dispute only by ignoring the evidence. When we ay someone is stupid, we should be specific in what way....for instance, Musk is stupid in terms of human relations but very smart in terms of technology and science (he was accepted as PH.d student at Standford, which is very difficult to get into accepting only the brightest).
Who knows anymore? This may all be an act, pretending Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians and other countries want them. In no way was I defending the Democrats.
It's headed where it's supposed to - a demise. And Trumps speeds it up, that's the whole point that this forum has huge trouble to understand.
Other comments here appall at what he's saying/doing - I guess because they like the system and want to keep it going. No? Is he destroying it? Then you should salute him dummies!
He is destroying everything that might possibly in some small way help people who are not billionaires. He is, for sure, batshit crazy and anyone who thinks he should be saluted may have the same issue.
Mighta coulda woulda shoulda possibly etc. Flashing her sense of humor at us, Susan is.
His way of destroying it seems to work despite your calling it names. Your way of "democracy" - voting, demonstrating, etc - hasn't seemed to. In fact, it led the system to become it is.
That is, yours failed, his succeeding. Now, who's batshit crazy from the standpoint of your goals, Susan?
...the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy.
Karl Marx, who said that in advanced nations this could take place without bloodshed through non-violent and legal means, such as mass demonstrations, strikes, voting, legislation, etc.
oops, karl spilled the beans. seems the ruling-class followed through on his tip and succeeded in seriously cutting back on the advancement (class consciousness) of the nation (the working class).
Voting and demonstrating is not "my" way of democracy. You have no idea what my ideas are about how things need to be different. Trump is succeeding at destroying anything of value that may have been part of the so called democracy he has decided to manipulate.
When the masters of the univere (or Empire) go down, they take us with them. The current war on the working class should not be cheered on but resisted.
"...the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy.
and if anyone needs a definition of batshit crazy here it is: "A person who is batshit crazy is so nuts that not only is their belfry full of bats, but so many bats have been there for so long that the belfry is coated in batshit. Hence, the craziest of crazy people are BATSHIT CRAZY."
The power of the image (pictures, movies) has gone a long way to enshrining the Holocaust as the primary event of WW2. Hollywood has put out innumerable movies and just recently two movies up for Academy Awards were indirectly about the Holocaust. 6 million Jews died in the war (the official number) and the other 48 million who died have rarely had their stories told.
The photographic images in Gaza have almost exclusively focused on the suffering of the people, perhaps because, like the Holocaust, it is the focus of carnage. I wonder why you would diverge from the point that it is the filmed image in the Hamas/Israel conflict that has turned the public away from the official narrative to suggest that the Holocaust, at the expense of non-Jewish victims , has been the most told story in film about WWII.
My point was about documentary evidence overriding narrative propaganda, not artifacts of film, such as Hollywood movies, which I would argue are part of the conventional narrative.
The 25-30 million Russian that died at the hands of the Nazis may not be the focus of HOllywood but Russian film making has told the story over and over an it remains an epitgentic memory, in the Russian DNA, to this day and helps explain the Ukraine War. Even in the West, I have found no lack of information on the death toll in the USSR.
I just Googled "death toll USSR WWII" and there are over 20 million links. Googling HOlocaust, there are about 500,000.
The Germans who ruled Germany after the Nazis had been crushed were anti-Nazi. After WWI, the war to end all wars, the German were treated a a pariah, and this resulting in the rise of the Nazis and WWII. Having learned the lesson of history, Germany after the defeat of the Nazis was helped to get on its feet and avoid the post WWI effect of reinvigorating the fascist right. Today there is a fascist movement in Germany but this is 80 yrs after the end of WWII and part of a global turn to the right. It is because Germany was given the chance to transform (as it did into a pacifists nation, now fading) that the right did not take power, as after WWI. I agree that Russia should have been allowed into NATO and none of this warfare would have been possible. But NATO needs an enemy to justify its power, to an all European NATO would; have created a peace Europe ,as no other regions are interested in attacking.
Europe's been hating the Russians forever, it's united at that and always will be. Why - just glance at the map.
As to friends/enemies - look at any museum exhibitions where wars are concerned in the US. The German/Japanese equipment/technique/etc are often presented in complimentary terms whereas Russian either doesn't exist or gets a passing mention.
Might is right. The point is to make that might fair and moral. Then apply it mercilessly to the scum that proved itself throughout the ages as incapable of learning.
"VICTORY IN EUROPE : Clinton Salutes Russia’s Sacrifice : Ceremonies: President joins Yeltsin at WW II memorial for tribute to their nations’ battle ties.
By CAROL J. WILLIAMS and JOHN M. BRODER
May 10, 1995 "
"Trump and Putin commemorate 75th anniversary of …
Apr 25, 2020 · The United States and Russia have commemorated the 75th anniversary of a meeting between U.S. and Soviet soldiers on a bridge in Germany."
Amerikans cannot repent, because Amerikans will not confess and for the rest if you're not preparing for what is coming...You deserve what is coming....Period
Most Americans oppose Israel today. America can change, a it did during the Civil WAr and the New Deal, which is currently being dismantled. People who generalize about America, and I am a harsh native critic, are usually ignorant of its real history and thus the possibility of change. It's easy to hate; it takes effort to understand.
Really? Do you have statistics to back up your claims? Or is this opinion just something you pulled out of your ass (as you usually do)?
Ever heard of Christian Zionism and Evangelical Christians (and their unholy alliance)? Maybe spend some more time doing REAL research rather than spouting "wishful and unrealistic" opinions not backed by anything.
"Antisemitism” is fast becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. As westerners tire of having their speech rights taken away by their government to protect the interests of a state that’s committing genocide under a Star of David banner, a lot of them are going to blame Jews for this. As western governments bend over backwards to help murder Israel’s enemies in the middle east, a lot of westerners are going to blame Jews. As the drums for war with Iran beat louder and louder and parents fear their children will be sent off to die for Israel, many will blame this on the Jews."
I have long said that Zionist demands for special pleading and double standards, combined with the intentional conflating of "Jews" and "Israel" has created more genuine antisemites than all the idiots ever to post crackpot conspiracy theories on the internet.
Moreover, a lot of Jewish people who might otherwise not support Israel feel that tribal solidarity is their only hope for safety, since they'll be tarred with israel's crimes, no matter what they do.
Any Jew who comes to my door seeking shelter from the next Zionist caused Holocaust will be welcomed in and given food and shelter just like anyone else who is being oppressed. This is more fomenting of hatred designed to keep all common people hating each other while the Zionists and their ilk reap a fortune. Never forget, there was a German resistance during the NAZI regime.
Don't be ridiculous! You are falling into the trap of stereo typing people. For example all Italians are Mafia. All blacks are good basketball players. This kind of ignorance is intolerable.
jews rely on normal human decency and exploit it for their own gain and to our own detriment. theyve always done this. they can not he treated like normal people because they are not. you trust them. i will not
I trust no one. That doesn't mean I don't have compassion for the downtrodden. Bottom line is we are all people. All with our own laws o, our own prejudices and biases irrelevant of race or sex.
And yet sadly, there is evidence that members of the Catholic Hierarchy helped NAZI war criminals escape. While most Christians I have met are good people it seems that those in power are capable of great evil. The ones in power appear to have sold their souls to Satan in exchange for hedonistic pleasures.
The State Department under Clinton declared me an anti-semite. The state must be obeyed. I had to break up with my girlfriend. But try as I might I couldn't find a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
You didn't *have* to break up with your girlfriend. What happened exactly? Did you accidentally see a mural and thought 'oh that's US Capitalism'? As opposed to 'that's antisemitism obviously'.
You have a story which needs to be told. IMO only.
CJ>>"But of course this won’t just affect Jews. Immigrants, racial minorities, LGBTQ people and other marginalized communities will all be harmed by the rise of white nationalist factions whose popularity benefits from an increase of anti-Jewish sentiment in our society."
🎯💯 This is another one of my fears, Caitlin - just as you have said - so many groups and identities will suffer. Too many people seem to prefer narratives that are easily digestable and are cognitively easy to understand - and this makes the job of those with compassion, critical and nuanced thinking, and understanding all the more challenging.
Much more 'Teach-In' sessions would have to be held (in high frequencies), including building skills in patience, organization, compassion, tolerance, critical thinking, and emotional control if the people (99%) are to succeed in coming together to take back the world (and their lives) from the 1%.
Thank you Caitlin for your continuous efforts and much love ❤️ always!
"Too many people seem to prefer narratives that are easily digestable and are cognitively easy to understand" It was late in life that I learned that the average man has a limited mental capacity. They are many things they cannot understand.
I would disagree completely with your "assessment" of the "average man". Ordinary/average (and even under-average) people have the capacity to understand complex and nuanced concepts and systems (and what we're talking about is FAR from complex).
The issues that prevent them from doing so are many -
(1) Deep/nuanced thinking requires (a) time to contemplate and absorb new information. But in our hyper 24-hr society of work-and-consumption-and-frivolous-entertainment-and-capitalist-distractions that is exacerbated by economic and social insecurity brought on by neoliberal policies, corporations, and capitalist culture DOES NOT ALLOW the time needed for such contemplation.
(2) Teaching of critical thinking skills, media literacy, education works wonders and changes how people think and perceive the world - it gives more power to the people. And that is precisely WHY TPTB make every effort to NOT teach these skills.
(3) Many other reasons, but I need to cut this comment short for pragmatic reasons. You're intelligent enough - you can figure out DIFFERENT STRATEGIES (and communication styles) to make "uninitiated" people understand different perspectives (over a period of time).
You may be underestimating the POTENTIAL of ordinary people, and may also be falling into the narratives and traps of "hopelessness" and "unteachability" that at times have been encouraged by TPTB.
Chang, i don't feel like being on this today and responding to my own mediocre comment seems absurd. But you mention easily digestible narratives and after listening to Max B on Judge Nap, he pointed me to one -- an article on the Substack "DoNot Panic" providing referenced info that at least 100 IDF members and known Israeli spies work for Meta, including head of AI policy, an ex IDF who I believe is an American Jew who volunteered for that service. One wonders what bias these folks will program into their AI.
Yes, that's what many people (especially TechBros and many Software Engineers - 2 groups that I loathe) don't understand about AI - that it is quite BIASED. I have been in the tech industry for a long time and have worked with Jewish people (Zionists and non-Zionists) in the U.S. and Canada. Not only is there BIAS against Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims, but also against Blacks and many other minorities.
I've never trusted AI systems much (due to knowing how they work and the biased data that they are trained on - especially LLMs (large language models). Another thing people get wrong about AI -> AI has been around since the 1960s, and LLMs (like ChatGPT, etc.) are only a subset of AI (and a fairly new addition to AI) and not the "be-all and end-all" of AI.
A good book on the biases in AI (and how AI gets too many things wrong) is "Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy" by Cathy O'Neil (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28186015-weapons-of-math-destruction) which is worth reading if you get a chance.
Oh hell yes, thank you. Now I know why I left my comment with you. Damn right I'm going to read this book. Reminds me a story of conflict I had with an AI proponent who called me a hypocrite and worse for saying I was a scientist and a teacher and not wanting to embrace AI. I urged the a-hole to compare resumés, even giving him the references of the papers I published in PNAS in 1973/74 -- 50 yrs ago while he was still likely sucking his thumb (or more substantial tissue) -- detailing 3D reconstruction of invertebrate brains on an analog Adage graphics terminal -- tech in research; and another paper in 1986 detailing how we used Apple's Hypercard to create integrated Biology-Chemistry stacks with animations & video links as a college natural sciences intranet -- tech in teaching. No effect; guy just kept trolling me. Some fools are completely hopeless. Sorry, I just detest that jerk so much, and he exemplifies many out there willing to mindlessly give themselves over to the blowhards guaranteeing them what a boon AI will be.
Vin, you rightly point out some of the MANY pitfalls of AI (and its impact on society). This "AI troll" you mention is a perfect example of deluded "techno-geeks" and "futurists" - they truly are INSUFFERABLE people - they have NO training in ethics, morality, true data science, sociology, economics, and psychology. Many are simply immature "tech fan-boys" that don't really understand HOW technology is used and abused by TPTB, the global Capitalists, etc.
AI has amazing potential, but my opinion is that "humans are not yet evolved enough and not yet ready to utilize it appropriately and for the right purposes". Hence, AI is likely to become more of a "tool of oppression" and "capitalist accumulation" than the supposed "egalitarian values" that these "tech-geek" seem to think that AI will usher in.
Many tech people often seem to lose touch with reality (based on my personal experiences working with them) and they conflate the world of "adolescent wet dreams of tech-philia" with the "real world of real people and cause-and-effect relationships".
(PS: I should mention that in my younger years - I was exactly the kind of tech person that I now hate - I'm ashamed of who I used to be in my past life).
You framed it exactly. AI in the context of current capitalist culture and expectations of egalitarianism: not exactly compatible notions. Sorry Homo, not quite ready. But I suppose they're screaming "pessimist" at us. Oh well, I guess my troll skin should be even thicker.
Edit: Lose any guilt. You're making up for it, in my view.
>>"But I suppose they're screaming "pessimist" at us."
Most of these "tech people" have never faced REAL challenges in life - challenges like food and water scarcity, poverty, hunger, isolation and societal exploitation, marginalization and exclusion, and real fear.
Hence these "tech people" lack imagination (and hence often empathy) as they are unable to comprehend/envision/situationalize how the majority of the human population lives and survives.
Hence, the extent of the "imagination and creativity" of the "average tech person" focuses on impractical solutions and 'pie-in-the-sky' approaches to solving problems. The 1% (and other Capitalists) prey on these "naive tech geek" and co-opt their "good intentions" for increased surveillance and oppression and authoritarianism.
Someone needs to EDUCATE these "tech-geeks" on HOW they are being used as TOOLS to do the bidding of TPTB (eg. Elon Musk's DOGE team).
(1) The REAL "left" (and not the faux left in the US) is AGAINST hierarchy (i.e. the system that oppresses the common person - class consciousness, the 99% against the 1%)
(2) Right-wing ideology believes in the opposite - a natural default hierarcy based on either "might-is-right" or "white supremacy" or "manifest destiny" or a number of other hierarchy-supporting narratives. "Rightists" believe that there is natural order to everything with some groups are inherently superior to others. They confuse "order" for "hierarchy".
(3) TPTB continues to create moral panics (as one of their MANY strategies to divide the common person) so that the right-and-left of the 99% don't unite against the 1%
(4) Racial classification is the hallmark of CAPITALISM
(5) Gender ideology is used and abused by BOTH Democrats AND Republicans to further divide us 99% against each other.
Bill Jarett, if you're not in the 1% - you too are a part of the 99% being exploited by the 1% (probably in ways that you might not be aware of).
It appears that you have hit on a spontaneous sequence of something cataclysmic, a natural consequence of the unchecked evil of genocide continually paraded before us, as we sit in our own paralysis watching the destruction wrought by amoral power brokers.
I don't care what your politics are . Left or right makes no difference. I am proudly conservative in my approach to politics. Both the" LEFT " and the "RIGHT" are supporting this genocide .Decent people of all political leanings are calling it what it is. It is GENOCIDE. The people enabling this have no loyalty to humanity. They are monsters.
But Peter Sawchuk, you support and vote for conservative Republicans who help facilitate the genocide in Gaza and other attrocities in the world. Just about 100% of Republicans in congress enable the genocide and other worldwide attrocities. So how can you say you oppose the genocide?
And no, I did not vote for Hilliary Clinton, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris. I KNEW they would be murderers or supporters of murder and do exactly what they were and are doing now.
You are mistaken my friend. I am a Canadian and we as a people are in a fight for our existence with the current regime here. Furthermore, there has been more than one occasion when I have written in "None of the above" on a ballot. Have you?
Ok, you are Canadian. So U.S. elections obviously don't apply to you. But I am pretty sure conservative Canadian politicians support this genocide and other worldwide attrocities just as U.S. conservatives do. I am not sure if there is a progressive or conservative administration in power now, in Canada. But rest assured which ever, the Canadian government is in lock step with the U.S. in support of this genocide and other worldwide attrocities.
I don't want this, but Canadians might as well be the 51st state, as the killer idiot Trump wants. Lol.
So why is this? You say you have written in, none of the above, when confronted with a murderous conservative candidate, and asked if I have ever done so.
The answer is NEVER. When presented with the likes of Clinton, Biden, Trump, or Harris I have always voted FOR the other candidate that I felt would not commit mass murder.
Are you telling me that if you felt the conservative candidate unacceptable for moral reasons, you would write in none of the above, if the opposing candidate was a progressive and didn't support war making?
If you have recently done that, then there is a problem, and it's a big part of the reason why the Canadian government is in lock step with U.S. murderous foreign policy. And I don't have to tell you where they coincide exactly. G.B. and U.S. Canada and U.S. Your politicians in office agree with it. The same as U.S. politicians in office.
If you listen to ANY political leader in Canada it appears they all support Israel. There is no difference in their policies relating to Israel. Given this how can I not write in none of the above?
If it is the case in Canada, that all political candidates regardless of political stripes, openly support Israel's genocide, then I suppose choosing none of the above is appropriate.
In the U.S., we do have candidates that openly state they will not support U.S. wars abroad or Israel's agression; at least in the presidential elections. So we do have a choice of voting FOR an anti-war, anti-murder candidate. So what you are telling me is that Canadian politics is more right leaning or dominated than in the U.S.; you don't have this choice. Thus, my statement about G.B. and U.S. Canada and U.S. Canada the 51st state or U.S. a Canadian province. It doesn't matter what it's called.
But as I said in a previous comment, if you have chosen none of the above in the past, due to party affiliation, when there was an alternative, that is a problem.
Israel didn't start its open, in your face, genocide against the Palestinians until 10/7/23. But they have been committing attrocities since the Obama administration and before.
I am not saying there were any candidates in Canada back then, opossing Israeli attrocities, but if there were, choosing none of the above due to party affiliation, was not appropriate, in my opinion.
Politics in Canada is very far removed from the right. In fact it is so far left that our so called moderates are outright Communists. The so called Environment Minister went so far as to state the he is a "proud socialist". As far as I am concerned there is no difference between a Socialist and a Communist other than that the word Socialist is more palatable to the non critical thinking sheep.
This is why I have never belonged to a political party or donated one cent to them. I reserve the right to disagree with anyone for any reason I see fit. In my opinion those who join a party leave their critical thinking skills at the door when they walk in.
"As the drums for war with Iran beat louder and louder and parents fear their children will be sent off to die for Israel, many will blame this on the Jews."
You're absolutely right, Caitlin. I've seen those comments already. There's no distinction between the religion and the political ideology. It's as if the Zy0nists actually have a death wish. It's like they want people to hate them and blame them and come after them... It's why we have to restrain ourselves and not give in to their sick games. We have to keep educating the public that it's the ideologues who are the villains and not the entirety of the religion. It ain't easy.
"But it looks like our leaders are bound and determined to drag us in a dark direction instead." What I learned on a Zoom call this evening: Trump's Clean Beautiful Coal initiative will provide grants and loans to try to make coal economically viable while exempting it from the Clean Air Act; there is an effort under the Congressional Review Act to exempt a bunch of polluting petrochemical facilities from the Clean Air Act; the West Virginia state legislatyure, with three days left in the session, is on the verge of passing bills to block counties and municipalities from having more stringent air quality regs than the state or federal ones, which are being dismantled; they may pass the bill to exempt oil and gas tanks from inspections mandated after a spill in 2014 that poisoned the water for 300,000 people and happened during the 9-week Session, so the legislators were affected--the bill now poised to pass exempts tanks in the Zone of Critical Concern, that is those near water intakes; and the worst is a bill to encourage data centers move in and use coal or gas to power them, b locking counties and cities from any zoning or other regulation, sending the property tax monies to the state presumably for more subsidies for coal or gas, or tax breaks for the wealthy (apparently five or six county Commissioners showed up and asked the committee "How can you do this to us/ and an amendment passed to give the counties 30%. One of those proposed is in a pristine place that gets a lot of tourism; they want to build a 1.65 gigawatt gas power plant for it, and use well water for the enormous cooling needs though the nearby towns ran out of water in last year's drought.
Is WV unique, or are similarly horrible things afoot all over the country and maybe the world? It's almost as though Republicans know there will be no election in 2026, so toadying for the ayoff seems like the best bet for enough wealth to survive the coming consequences of their irresponsibility.
Different subject than Caitlin's post, min e is all about environmental atrocities and hers about Palestine, but it's all connected. It's about a culture based on domination, spiraling into collapse, allowing the worst possible people into leadership positions.
My understanding is that the west is a dying empire and is being beaten militarily, by Russia and by Yemen, and that eventually they/we will lose in Palestine, Ukraine and elsewhere.
What I wonder is when the pendulum will start swinging the other way, in the sense that governments and organizations that supported Israel's genocide will want to distance themselves from any involvement they have had, just the way they did after WWII.
Those who have supported the west's morally bankrupt wars will want to appear to have been on the right side of history, I think.
Many thanks Caitlin & Tim. You always pulls us back to reality.
The cause and effect of things coming home to roost. Israel weaponised antisemitism and in so doing denigrated their rightful place of a wronged people subjected to a holocaust. The empathy that most of humanity felt for their terrible plight - by continued pogroms against them by the western powers; culminating in the Nazi holocaust - was squandered. And dissipated in the face of their brutality and ruthlessness, and their genocidal intent against a nation they occupied and harmed. A modern day holocaust.
If this inhuman behaviour results in an "antisemitism/racism" with all its ugliness and cruelty against the Jews in the future - this time with a cause - whom are we to blame? We will all be in a dystopia manufactured and created by Israel - with aiding, abetting and support by US/West.
In an increasingly unstable world, the rising tide of the authoritarian right poses huge challenges for humanity. What will they weaponise next.... .
It would have been so much better if the self-centered culture of Zionism-Judeosupremacism hadn't taken the positions it has taken all along. The Soviet prisoners taken by the Nazis from Soviet Russia died almost entirely--3.5 million or more before the Jewish deaths had really begin. The disabled, purged from Germany earlier even. Other unwanted groups and ethnicities in their pluralities also exterminated. If the Jewish supremacists had admitted it was about all the unwanted or second-classed and not just them, and had meant that "never again" was for everyone and not just them, as their own leaders of excuses have even said, not only could none of this current monstrous situation have even developed, the whole world would very likely be at peace. Instead they never meant it, have inflated stories of their own drama while actively working to suppress others (watch *Defamation* on Youtube to see Abe Foxman of the ADL try to tell Ukraine's president to shut up about the Holodomor), and have used their constructed status as sole victim to justify this genocide as well as the entire 140 years of their naked, unjustified, and murderous from the beginning, takeover of *their idea of* "Palestine" which is even larger than is currently within the borders of "Israel".
Their status is not deserved. More than 5 times as many died in the Soviet Bolshevik nightmare, led by Jewish intellectuals. All of the deaths in the Middle East in the last 100 years trace back to them and their terrorist groups initially and their machinations latterly. How many deaths and immiserated lives cut short trace to their pressure campaigns extracting wealth from the USA?
Now we are facing the loss of our Constitution. Before that, even, their interference with the UN has hobbled the world's attempts at establishing actually functional human rights and judicial systems to enforce it.
Israeli oligarchs are fuelling the parallel genocide in the Congo as we speak and that, too, is a situation made intractable by the Zionist interference with the UN--from the USA. Have you noticed that AIPAC controls our Congress? Nothing about that is deserved because of any "victim" status and the efforts began with the Paris Peace Conference after WW1, not after WW2.
To focus on the actions of the Nazis alone, as though that's where the Political Zionists became a problem, is a knowledge mistake. It may be the case that the problem can be resolved without thinking about the pre-WW2 influence campaigns, but I doubt it. And guilt has always been a weapon of the Zionists. The events of WW2 were discussed by the movement's leaders as *useful* to them, while they were happening.
It's terrible to contemplate but it has to be faced, by Goyim and by anti-Zionist Jews alike.
I once brought up the fact that 54 million people had died in WW2, 11 million of them in Nazi death/slave labor camps and 6 million of the 11 million had been Jews. I was quickly branded anti-Semitic for stating facts and accused of minimizing the Holocaust. I suggested maybe we should view WW2 as a worldwide Holocaust instead rather than focusing so completely on one group.
We definitely should view it as a worldwide Holocaust.
The narcissistic insistence on taking all the attention isn't just dehumanizing to all the rest of the people of the world, who lost so much in that war, it's actively dangerous for the world. If we don't understand what happened, we can't know what damage lingers and we can't learn from the events how to see and prevent it from happening again.
It really is narcissistic, I think. I'm not just throwing that word around lightly. It shows up ... well in lots of places. Literature, folklore, essays and articles written by people in various roles.... To stay focused on this event, the insistence on being the only ones really harmed causes so many harms. Here's just one: by extension, everyone who died fighting is converted into either dying a deserved death because of what they had done to the only victims, or dying to serve the only noble purpose of liberating the only victims...
The screech that it's unacceptable to think about others is shorn of its power to move me, now.
Thank you 'letterwriter' and 'SW' for taking me to task. I am not unaware of the facts that you both have spoken of. The only excuse I have is that I was limiting myself to the specific instance of 'antisemitism' being weaponised by the victims who have become the oppressors themselves.
I wasn't ignoring the many atrocities of war, of colonialism, settler colonial genocides, imperialism and slavery that happened in the past and is happening now. It was as if the suffering of black/brown bodies didn't deserve to be propagandised like the other were. They weren't the worthy victims that Noam Chomsky talked about.
Please note that I called it " a holocaust" and not "The Holocaust". I agree with you that atrocities that occurred should be viewed as a worldwide Holocaust.
Well, it's easy to see the hypocrisy of the self-anointed only victims committing genocide now.
I would caution against bubbling the discussion out to encompass all settler colonialism, all genocides everywhere, all atrocities in the world. The issue here is caused by Jewish Supremacy, with Political Zionism its weapon for seeking to attain the long-dreamt of ascendancy over the world: the Third Temple, very like the Third Reich in its aims.
The issue is not black and brown bodies as though that's what motivates Jewish Supremacy. While Israel Jewish society is rife with racism, Jewish Supremacy has contempt for all goyim. Unwhite Jews are still ranked above goyim, even though that's not enough to save them from abuse.
The issue in the USA with stopping the genocide might be racism, but I think it's probably more that the Jewish claims have a particular hold on the Christian imagination; that hold itself has variants. Guilty liberals may want to avoid being those earlier Catholics who read the Talmud and the unexpurgated Torah before they were modified into a less alarming text partially transmitted through oral code-switching, became alarmed, and demanded conversion to Christianity. Dominionists may dream that the Third Temple is only their ladder to their Messiah's return--they're hoping to sacrifice the Palestinians, then sacrifice the ascendant Jews, see Revelation fulfilled, and shake hands with Jesus. But anyone at all who's enthralled by "the book" is susceptible to the Zionists'--or even non-Zionist Jewish Supremacists, who do exist and who simply don't think they themselves should be wielding the sword--demands to be seen as first among not quite equals. It is the only possible reason for the tolerance shown the demands Zionists have been making since the late 19th century. It even shows up in texts: the Christian authors of that era are shown accepting the Eastern European Zionists' claims to be "the sons of Jacob" and "Hebrews" as though they walked straight out of a creche, not out of the background that science has shown they have (insistence on fairytales being believed notwithstanding), and permissions are granted from that point. Yes, many even in the West did object that their demands were ridiculous and unfair, but the backers' extraordinary wealth combined with softheaded religious sentiment carried the day--always in key moments among just one or two people who did believe the fables. It was eventually enough to get to this point and its speed would have been faster if more fools had existed, so please do not make the error of painting every westerner with the social justice brush of shame: many fought it. That brush obscures what really happened and what is really driving this current insanity.
This is not a generic situation of the type that can only be solved by removing human violence from human nature. It is a specific political problem, which the USA's First Amendment should prevent--no establishment of religion--but is failing to do. Thinking about this problem as though its only salient points are the ones it has in common with other genocides removes our ability to see it clearly and to address it with the tools that we really do have available, if we will break the stupefaction.
I want to thank you for your response just now. Reading it, something gelled for me, about the value that it may possess for some of the most rabid supremacists, to picture all deaths in WW2 as arranged around the feet of the noble victim. Quite a sacrifice. Narcissists often demand sacrifices. Not garden variety regular narcissists, but the ones who are in the "dark triad" category. And the Israeli government has been raising the children there to slide into that mindset. This is not a generic problem of "anti colonialism". Maybe from 1880-1904 or so, but not once Jabotinsky and Zangwill met up.
Excellent response. Israel wants their country accepted as “the only democracy in the Middle East” but also a theocracy where “Jews can be safe.” By stressing their need for safety even against peaceful protests or criticism (pretending this will lead to violence) this is used to justify any and all violence and suppression on their part. It’s been a successful tactic but the more people see children, doctors, ambulance drivers who pose no threat to them but are slaughtered anyhow, it may be losing its effectiveness.
i blame (rich) americans for most of that. i also do not agree with the holodomor reference or the one about the soviet bolshevik nightmare, the american exceptionalism and the subtle nazi-apologia. i'm kinda communist.
Granted there is dispute about whether it was intentional or not, and tbh I'm kind of on the side of the Soviets in this case: that they were trying to feed the area and ran into (a) supply difficulties, and (b) military aggression which they couldn't deal with, without putting controls into place.
I might have misunderstood the argument somewhat.
However, the point about Abe Foxman is that he went to the then-president of Ukraine and told him "it's not good if you try to make this as big a deal as the Holocaust is, I hope you get where I'm coming from, we'd be displeased". He went there with the implication that he walked into the room with the full weight of the USA behind him--which he'd already acknowledged to the filmmaker (who received access because of his original-Zionist ancestry Israeli Jewish heritage), and laughed about in an "aw shucks I have no idea why they'd think that about lil ol me" manner. He was clearly dissembling and playing the naif, while deliberately using foreign misunderstanding of his position in the US to consolidate and increase his and his organization's standing over the years.
The point about the holodomor is not what it actually was, because neither did Abe Foxman argue based on what it actually might have been. The point about it is whether or not the Ukrainians value it as part of their state-formation mythos, and whether or not Abe Foxman felt entitled to strongarm the Ukrainians into keeping silent about it, accepting a lower victim status, and deferring to the Zionists.
I say the Zionists because it was in fact the Zionists who were driving this. Those who were not also rabidly pro-Israel were not the ones arguing for this victimhood primacy. The concept of a separate "nation" existing outside of whatever actual state these "national" members found themselves in--that concept is intimately tied to Foxman's belief that he was entitled to demand compliance from an actual nation-state.
As for whatever else you're talking about: save the "nazi" accusations for the Zionists. I am completely disinterested. There is no apologia, and it's a Zionists argument to say that arguing for the truth is against them or for the German Nazis. There is no such thing as a Zionist communist. They were not allowed to join the Internationale, because they would not disavow their ethnocentricity. They were voted to not be allowed in.
i understand from your explanation that your opening question is rhetorical. maybe the abe foxman story is therefor not the best example to make the point you're trying to make about 'jewish entitlement', i suppose.
there is indeed no such thing as zionist communists, plenty of zionist fascists, though and they will gladly help manufacture and fuel the new primitive jew-hatred serving (us-centralized) imperial interests.
Hi Martin--I think you have misunderstood. I'm not "explaining": do not take my words as subservient to yours. Abe Foxman's behavior is exactly an expression of Jewish Supremacist entitlement, and while you can of course develop your own opinion on that, you'll have to make your own point elsewhere to do that. recommend you watch the video I cited earlier.
There are indeed plenty of Jewish fascists--Zionists by another name. They deliberately retained the primitivism of the Talmudic traditions and the Supremacist folklore, and folded these into a Nietzschean ethnostatist Romantic fantasy of the "New Jew" and the "Muscular Hebrew". Rejection and criticism of this development, and of the Judaic or any religious tradition, are not "primitive" as you seem to think. Rather, these criticisms being rational and modern in their nature are the opposite of primitive and the opposite of what they critique. Bias against the specific Jewish theocratic-atheist romantic blended fascism on grounds of religion or ideology against that ideology are of course also primitive in nature, but that's not what's going on here and criticism of Jewish Supremacy or Zionism even for its theology are not rooted in that primitive as a necessity and it's a falsification via sleight of hand to say it is. Nor are criticisms "manufactured" and I question your use of inappropriate yet loaded terminology to try to paint a picture.
I wonder where you are coming from exactly. It is rare for native speakers to respond as you have, and you are also being evasive. My question to you was not rhetorical. Explain what you meant by "the holodomor reference", and everything else as well.
They have the "white-replacement" conspiracy theory that is pushed by White Supremacists like Tucker Carlson and others. They think they are the "victims" since everyone is trying to replace all whites in the U.S. (their narrative).
yes, but the 'narrative' does not quite compare to what the zionists get to use, imo. there's also the attempt to hijack the '100 million deaths by communism' from empire by replacing 'communists' with 'bolshevik jews'. the victims were of course 'christians'.
I'm not sure I agree that the far-right will be the beneficiary. On the right the main source of opposition to Israel has been the anti-war, libertarian right. People like Ron Paul, Dave Smith, Thomas Massie, etc.
The fascist right is actually pretty amenable to the State of Israel. They agree with it ideologically, albeit with different ethnic groups and nations in mind. Don't forget the Zionists and the NSDAP made an agreement back in the day.
The fascist right is also rabidly supportive of Ukraine. The failure of both of these conflicts would seem pretty unlikely to benefit these fascists.
On the other hand, the anti-war, libertarian right has been in opposition to both of these conflicts and ones like them for decades. The kind of people who cheered when Trump banished Pompeo and Haley. The kind of people who are currently very disillusioned with the Trump administration over their conduct in the ME, and the anti-speech measures.
Make no mistake, they are a significant and growing faction within the right, and the failure of both of these conflicts will only boost them further.
In the same way that I'm not a DemocracyNow! type left winger, yet I will still be happy if this faction takes over the Democrats; you might not be a Liberty Report type right winger, but you should still be happy if this faction takes over the GOP.
Right now we are in a holding pattern as we wait to see how badly we fail at the talks Saturday Ap 12th concerning Iran because fail we will. The interesting part will be what the excuses will be for failing to get Iran to agree to become the next Libya. There may be some consolation prize or pretzel twisting to explain it as some win.
Hegseth, being a sycophant extraordinaire of the highest order, will perhaps be called on the carpet to explain why he thought our weaponry could defeat Iran when it has failed so miserably with the attacks on Yemen. He might recall the stealth fighters sent to punish Iran turning tail when they were spotted. Perhaps he will understand then that head nodding will only get you so far and that you need the goods to back the deal.
Russia, in the meantime, will sit by the river and watch the corpses float by to paraphrase Medvedev. This is meant metaphorically.
There is not much "winning" going on. And the charges of "antisemitism" will be revealed in time to be emanating from compassionate and moral people not wanting to be a part of wholesale murder of innocents. But Israel has shown its genocidal hand and it can't be unseen.
>>"Sorry, but too many people overstimate the determination and power of those opposed tot he Empire."
EXACTLY! There is too much "optimism bias" (and emotions) and not enough objective thinking that I see in Caitlin's substack when it comes to Anti-U.S. Empire geopolitics.
You hit the nail on the head with this oped. The Zionist tentacles run deep thru out many nations. Its gonna get very ugly and many non Zionist liberal anti genocide Jews everywhere are gonna feel the heat undeservingly so. All because of the reasons you stated/examplfied in this oped. I'm not anti Jew but i'm not enamored with Zionist Jews be they of Israel or wherever.
The state of Israel could bring us all down. Should it exist?
Even after 18 months of using ‘antisemitism’ to justify a live genocide, as it has been used for the last 77 years, you still don’t understand? ‘Antisemitism’ is a fucking word used by Jewish lobbies to keep the Jews above other humans. What atrocities are left that they didn’t commit, so you start to come out of the fear, and if these evil lobbies control minds. Enough is enough with antisemitism BS!
I agree. The very spirit of Zionism, which I believe is the very spirit of anti-Christ, cannot be separated from Judaic supremacy promulgated in the teachings of the Talmud which arose to largely replace the teachings of the Torah following the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. E. Micahel Jones has written a fascinating history of this ascendency of Jewish Supremacy entitled:: "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit And Its Impact On World History."
Funny that it's only Israel that can't take criticism. They're pretty sensitive, they can dish it out but they can't take it. Such vileness but they get around that by chumming up with Jews.
As wicked, evil, demented, and satanic as the gangster Zionist regime is, could it be that the increased disgust for it and opposition to it, is an actual intended outcome of their savagery for sinister purposes?
The reason the majority of Americans have turned against Israel is that the videos from Gaza have nullified the tone-deaf narrative about self-defense and human shields. It is, as was the case with Vietnam, that all the official lies and even the media euphemism were overridden by the clear evidence of the photographic evidence.
Ironically, it was Goebbels who first fully realized that film was the most powerful medium of communication in the modern world, and his insight, which the Nazis used to brainwash with manipulated filmed spectacles.
Today, it is this same power of the image that has turned most Democrats to the view that Israel is committing genocide (according to a poll) an most Americans against Israel. Most Americans have been educated by what they have seen in the press and on tv, even as the words accompanying what they saw often denied it.
And then Trump comes out with some batshit crazy talk like this: https://newrepublic.com/post/193725/donald-trump-israel-hostages-nazis-jewish-prisoners-love Where are we headed????
Wow. That. Is. bizarre.
His stupidity is beyond belief.
IF he is stupid , the establishment Democrats who lost to him are even more stupid. The evidence suggests that he is a master propagandist and politician, with a rare selective talent. He has, in fact, used the perception of his stupidity, as did Bush, to defeat his political enemies, showing an understand of Sun Tzu' The Art of War that his opponents do not. HIs perceived stupidity, therefore, is used by Trump to gain advantage by the stupidity of his opponents underestimating him. He IS stupid, but not as much as those who call him stupid. Nevermind.
Sorry both examples you use are stupid people. The Demoncrats are no smarter. I suppose you also believe Mush is a brilliant person.
"Mush" - ouch!
Musk obviously is not as brilliant as you are landru. And he's also a much bigger nazi than ukies whom the "bomb tesla" nutcases support.
Btw, Tesla owners afraid of being vandalized by shitlib crazies - a tip for you that I recently saw in one Tesla - put a Ukrainian flag or a doll or something blue/yellow on your Tesla to throw them off. Use a sticker "I stand with Ukraine" to help colorblind shitlibs. You'll be safe.
Stupid people don't figure out to become the most powerful person in the world. They do so by having folks like you think they are stupid, when it is those who underestimated both Bush and Trump who got defeated by a smarter strategy
>>"Stupid people don't figure out to become the most powerful person in the world."
Yes they do. History is full of STUPID people gaining positions of power. Maybe you're confused about how "stupid" should be defined?
I think the "kiss my ass" comment will sink him, probably sooner than later.
Trump is exceedingly stupid. Have you seen his video about him suggesting injecting the body with bleach/disinfectant to combat Sars-CoV2 virus? (President Trump Suggests ‘Injecting’ Disinfectant as Coronavirus Cure - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE). And he did this with FULL seriousness.
Now, please tell me how that is NOT stupid. Just because someone is stupid doesn't mean they can't be an expert manipulator of people and imaginative and creative at spinning narratives and lies.
Being crazy is not the same as being stupid. He is crazy.
Crazy like a fox.
Each of us is smart in some ways (I had special ed students whose emotional intelligence was superior) and stupid in others. Trump is stupid in some ways (knowledge of medicine, for instance) but a brilliant political strategist and communicator (propagandists), which you can dispute only by ignoring the evidence. When we ay someone is stupid, we should be specific in what way....for instance, Musk is stupid in terms of human relations but very smart in terms of technology and science (he was accepted as PH.d student at Standford, which is very difficult to get into accepting only the brightest).
WHAT?
Who knows anymore? This may all be an act, pretending Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians and other countries want them. In no way was I defending the Democrats.
It's headed where it's supposed to - a demise. And Trumps speeds it up, that's the whole point that this forum has huge trouble to understand.
Other comments here appall at what he's saying/doing - I guess because they like the system and want to keep it going. No? Is he destroying it? Then you should salute him dummies!
He is destroying everything that might possibly in some small way help people who are not billionaires. He is, for sure, batshit crazy and anyone who thinks he should be saluted may have the same issue.
Mighta coulda woulda shoulda possibly etc. Flashing her sense of humor at us, Susan is.
His way of destroying it seems to work despite your calling it names. Your way of "democracy" - voting, demonstrating, etc - hasn't seemed to. In fact, it led the system to become it is.
That is, yours failed, his succeeding. Now, who's batshit crazy from the standpoint of your goals, Susan?
...the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy.
Karl Marx, who said that in advanced nations this could take place without bloodshed through non-violent and legal means, such as mass demonstrations, strikes, voting, legislation, etc.
oops, karl spilled the beans. seems the ruling-class followed through on his tip and succeeded in seriously cutting back on the advancement (class consciousness) of the nation (the working class).
So, do you really think the Nazis loved Jews like Trump said in that article I forwarded? Which is what prompted me to call him batshit crazy.
You take anything Trump says for granted? I pity you then.
Voting and demonstrating is not "my" way of democracy. You have no idea what my ideas are about how things need to be different. Trump is succeeding at destroying anything of value that may have been part of the so called democracy he has decided to manipulate.
If you keep your brilliant ideas to yourself then how do you expect them to work?
I guess you are just doing it yourself with no results to show. Trump's "results" are, OTOH, on full display.
I salute the hastening of the demise!
When the masters of the univere (or Empire) go down, they take us with them. The current war on the working class should not be cheered on but resisted.
"...the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy.
Karl Marx
I catered to an impulsive amusement. Guilty as charged.
and if anyone needs a definition of batshit crazy here it is: "A person who is batshit crazy is so nuts that not only is their belfry full of bats, but so many bats have been there for so long that the belfry is coated in batshit. Hence, the craziest of crazy people are BATSHIT CRAZY."
The power of the image (pictures, movies) has gone a long way to enshrining the Holocaust as the primary event of WW2. Hollywood has put out innumerable movies and just recently two movies up for Academy Awards were indirectly about the Holocaust. 6 million Jews died in the war (the official number) and the other 48 million who died have rarely had their stories told.
27 million Russians died fighting the Germans.
Let's hear the story's of Russians!
WHY is it that the Europeans DENIED Russia there place in History?
Now Germany is re-arming and this fills me with horror as an European. The Nazi's have never gone away.
Europeans still want the war in Ukraine to carry on....why??
If you lived in Russia, that is all you would ever hear!
The photographic images in Gaza have almost exclusively focused on the suffering of the people, perhaps because, like the Holocaust, it is the focus of carnage. I wonder why you would diverge from the point that it is the filmed image in the Hamas/Israel conflict that has turned the public away from the official narrative to suggest that the Holocaust, at the expense of non-Jewish victims , has been the most told story in film about WWII.
My point was about documentary evidence overriding narrative propaganda, not artifacts of film, such as Hollywood movies, which I would argue are part of the conventional narrative.
That's true. Nobody talks about the 29 million of Russians that died fighting nazism, and who freed the concentration camps.
The 25-30 million Russian that died at the hands of the Nazis may not be the focus of HOllywood but Russian film making has told the story over and over an it remains an epitgentic memory, in the Russian DNA, to this day and helps explain the Ukraine War. Even in the West, I have found no lack of information on the death toll in the USSR.
I just Googled "death toll USSR WWII" and there are over 20 million links. Googling HOlocaust, there are about 500,000.
Excellent comment. I can add to this...........
Europe took Germany into our EU.....the despicable politics of Germany during WW2 should have made them a 'pariah.'
NO In Europe we love the Germans and hate the Russians?????
The Germans who ruled Germany after the Nazis had been crushed were anti-Nazi. After WWI, the war to end all wars, the German were treated a a pariah, and this resulting in the rise of the Nazis and WWII. Having learned the lesson of history, Germany after the defeat of the Nazis was helped to get on its feet and avoid the post WWI effect of reinvigorating the fascist right. Today there is a fascist movement in Germany but this is 80 yrs after the end of WWII and part of a global turn to the right. It is because Germany was given the chance to transform (as it did into a pacifists nation, now fading) that the right did not take power, as after WWI. I agree that Russia should have been allowed into NATO and none of this warfare would have been possible. But NATO needs an enemy to justify its power, to an all European NATO would; have created a peace Europe ,as no other regions are interested in attacking.
Europe's been hating the Russians forever, it's united at that and always will be. Why - just glance at the map.
As to friends/enemies - look at any museum exhibitions where wars are concerned in the US. The German/Japanese equipment/technique/etc are often presented in complimentary terms whereas Russian either doesn't exist or gets a passing mention.
Might is right. The point is to make that might fair and moral. Then apply it mercilessly to the scum that proved itself throughout the ages as incapable of learning.
"VICTORY IN EUROPE : Clinton Salutes Russia’s Sacrifice : Ceremonies: President joins Yeltsin at WW II memorial for tribute to their nations’ battle ties.
By CAROL J. WILLIAMS and JOHN M. BRODER
May 10, 1995 "
"Trump and Putin commemorate 75th anniversary of …
Apr 25, 2020 · The United States and Russia have commemorated the 75th anniversary of a meeting between U.S. and Soviet soldiers on a bridge in Germany."
Zionists control Hollywood.
lmaooooo six million my ass.
Amerikans cannot repent, because Amerikans will not confess and for the rest if you're not preparing for what is coming...You deserve what is coming....Period
Most Americans oppose Israel today. America can change, a it did during the Civil WAr and the New Deal, which is currently being dismantled. People who generalize about America, and I am a harsh native critic, are usually ignorant of its real history and thus the possibility of change. It's easy to hate; it takes effort to understand.
>>"Most Americans oppose Israel today."
Really? Do you have statistics to back up your claims? Or is this opinion just something you pulled out of your ass (as you usually do)?
Ever heard of Christian Zionism and Evangelical Christians (and their unholy alliance)? Maybe spend some more time doing REAL research rather than spouting "wishful and unrealistic" opinions not backed by anything.
"As Seen On TV !" Israeli Genocide/Holocaust of Palestinians. Cancel it.
"Antisemitism” is fast becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. As westerners tire of having their speech rights taken away by their government to protect the interests of a state that’s committing genocide under a Star of David banner, a lot of them are going to blame Jews for this. As western governments bend over backwards to help murder Israel’s enemies in the middle east, a lot of westerners are going to blame Jews. As the drums for war with Iran beat louder and louder and parents fear their children will be sent off to die for Israel, many will blame this on the Jews."
I have long said that Zionist demands for special pleading and double standards, combined with the intentional conflating of "Jews" and "Israel" has created more genuine antisemites than all the idiots ever to post crackpot conspiracy theories on the internet.
Moreover, a lot of Jewish people who might otherwise not support Israel feel that tribal solidarity is their only hope for safety, since they'll be tarred with israel's crimes, no matter what they do.
In both cases, this is entirely intentional.
Any Jew who comes to my door seeking shelter from the next Zionist caused Holocaust will be welcomed in and given food and shelter just like anyone else who is being oppressed. This is more fomenting of hatred designed to keep all common people hating each other while the Zionists and their ilk reap a fortune. Never forget, there was a German resistance during the NAZI regime.
lol and they will claim it to be theirs in no time. have you learned nothing from history?
Don't be ridiculous! You are falling into the trap of stereo typing people. For example all Italians are Mafia. All blacks are good basketball players. This kind of ignorance is intolerable.
jews rely on normal human decency and exploit it for their own gain and to our own detriment. theyve always done this. they can not he treated like normal people because they are not. you trust them. i will not
I trust no one. That doesn't mean I don't have compassion for the downtrodden. Bottom line is we are all people. All with our own laws o, our own prejudices and biases irrelevant of race or sex.
A Catholic resistance largely. A book worth reading (not the film, schmalzy) is Schlinder's Ark.
And yet sadly, there is evidence that members of the Catholic Hierarchy helped NAZI war criminals escape. While most Christians I have met are good people it seems that those in power are capable of great evil. The ones in power appear to have sold their souls to Satan in exchange for hedonistic pleasures.
The US Conference of Catholic BIshops have pretty much adopted the IHRA definition in total:
https://www.usccb.org/resources/translate-hate-catholic-edition
It seems, when even the Pope is critical, Americans just can't help being on the wrong side of genocide
The State Department under Clinton declared me an anti-semite. The state must be obeyed. I had to break up with my girlfriend. But try as I might I couldn't find a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
You didn't *have* to break up with your girlfriend. What happened exactly? Did you accidentally see a mural and thought 'oh that's US Capitalism'? As opposed to 'that's antisemitism obviously'.
You have a story which needs to be told. IMO only.
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CJ>>"But of course this won’t just affect Jews. Immigrants, racial minorities, LGBTQ people and other marginalized communities will all be harmed by the rise of white nationalist factions whose popularity benefits from an increase of anti-Jewish sentiment in our society."
🎯💯 This is another one of my fears, Caitlin - just as you have said - so many groups and identities will suffer. Too many people seem to prefer narratives that are easily digestable and are cognitively easy to understand - and this makes the job of those with compassion, critical and nuanced thinking, and understanding all the more challenging.
Much more 'Teach-In' sessions would have to be held (in high frequencies), including building skills in patience, organization, compassion, tolerance, critical thinking, and emotional control if the people (99%) are to succeed in coming together to take back the world (and their lives) from the 1%.
Thank you Caitlin for your continuous efforts and much love ❤️ always!
"Too many people seem to prefer narratives that are easily digestable and are cognitively easy to understand" It was late in life that I learned that the average man has a limited mental capacity. They are many things they cannot understand.
I would disagree completely with your "assessment" of the "average man". Ordinary/average (and even under-average) people have the capacity to understand complex and nuanced concepts and systems (and what we're talking about is FAR from complex).
The issues that prevent them from doing so are many -
(1) Deep/nuanced thinking requires (a) time to contemplate and absorb new information. But in our hyper 24-hr society of work-and-consumption-and-frivolous-entertainment-and-capitalist-distractions that is exacerbated by economic and social insecurity brought on by neoliberal policies, corporations, and capitalist culture DOES NOT ALLOW the time needed for such contemplation.
(2) Teaching of critical thinking skills, media literacy, education works wonders and changes how people think and perceive the world - it gives more power to the people. And that is precisely WHY TPTB make every effort to NOT teach these skills.
(3) Many other reasons, but I need to cut this comment short for pragmatic reasons. You're intelligent enough - you can figure out DIFFERENT STRATEGIES (and communication styles) to make "uninitiated" people understand different perspectives (over a period of time).
You may be underestimating the POTENTIAL of ordinary people, and may also be falling into the narratives and traps of "hopelessness" and "unteachability" that at times have been encouraged by TPTB.
Chang, i don't feel like being on this today and responding to my own mediocre comment seems absurd. But you mention easily digestible narratives and after listening to Max B on Judge Nap, he pointed me to one -- an article on the Substack "DoNot Panic" providing referenced info that at least 100 IDF members and known Israeli spies work for Meta, including head of AI policy, an ex IDF who I believe is an American Jew who volunteered for that service. One wonders what bias these folks will program into their AI.
https://www.donotpanic.news/p/metas-head-of-ai-policy-is-ex-idf
Yes, that's what many people (especially TechBros and many Software Engineers - 2 groups that I loathe) don't understand about AI - that it is quite BIASED. I have been in the tech industry for a long time and have worked with Jewish people (Zionists and non-Zionists) in the U.S. and Canada. Not only is there BIAS against Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims, but also against Blacks and many other minorities.
I've never trusted AI systems much (due to knowing how they work and the biased data that they are trained on - especially LLMs (large language models). Another thing people get wrong about AI -> AI has been around since the 1960s, and LLMs (like ChatGPT, etc.) are only a subset of AI (and a fairly new addition to AI) and not the "be-all and end-all" of AI.
A good book on the biases in AI (and how AI gets too many things wrong) is "Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy" by Cathy O'Neil (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28186015-weapons-of-math-destruction) which is worth reading if you get a chance.
Oh hell yes, thank you. Now I know why I left my comment with you. Damn right I'm going to read this book. Reminds me a story of conflict I had with an AI proponent who called me a hypocrite and worse for saying I was a scientist and a teacher and not wanting to embrace AI. I urged the a-hole to compare resumés, even giving him the references of the papers I published in PNAS in 1973/74 -- 50 yrs ago while he was still likely sucking his thumb (or more substantial tissue) -- detailing 3D reconstruction of invertebrate brains on an analog Adage graphics terminal -- tech in research; and another paper in 1986 detailing how we used Apple's Hypercard to create integrated Biology-Chemistry stacks with animations & video links as a college natural sciences intranet -- tech in teaching. No effect; guy just kept trolling me. Some fools are completely hopeless. Sorry, I just detest that jerk so much, and he exemplifies many out there willing to mindlessly give themselves over to the blowhards guaranteeing them what a boon AI will be.
Vin, you rightly point out some of the MANY pitfalls of AI (and its impact on society). This "AI troll" you mention is a perfect example of deluded "techno-geeks" and "futurists" - they truly are INSUFFERABLE people - they have NO training in ethics, morality, true data science, sociology, economics, and psychology. Many are simply immature "tech fan-boys" that don't really understand HOW technology is used and abused by TPTB, the global Capitalists, etc.
AI has amazing potential, but my opinion is that "humans are not yet evolved enough and not yet ready to utilize it appropriately and for the right purposes". Hence, AI is likely to become more of a "tool of oppression" and "capitalist accumulation" than the supposed "egalitarian values" that these "tech-geek" seem to think that AI will usher in.
Many tech people often seem to lose touch with reality (based on my personal experiences working with them) and they conflate the world of "adolescent wet dreams of tech-philia" with the "real world of real people and cause-and-effect relationships".
(PS: I should mention that in my younger years - I was exactly the kind of tech person that I now hate - I'm ashamed of who I used to be in my past life).
You framed it exactly. AI in the context of current capitalist culture and expectations of egalitarianism: not exactly compatible notions. Sorry Homo, not quite ready. But I suppose they're screaming "pessimist" at us. Oh well, I guess my troll skin should be even thicker.
Edit: Lose any guilt. You're making up for it, in my view.
>>"But I suppose they're screaming "pessimist" at us."
Most of these "tech people" have never faced REAL challenges in life - challenges like food and water scarcity, poverty, hunger, isolation and societal exploitation, marginalization and exclusion, and real fear.
Hence these "tech people" lack imagination (and hence often empathy) as they are unable to comprehend/envision/situationalize how the majority of the human population lives and survives.
Hence, the extent of the "imagination and creativity" of the "average tech person" focuses on impractical solutions and 'pie-in-the-sky' approaches to solving problems. The 1% (and other Capitalists) prey on these "naive tech geek" and co-opt their "good intentions" for increased surveillance and oppression and authoritarianism.
Someone needs to EDUCATE these "tech-geeks" on HOW they are being used as TOOLS to do the bidding of TPTB (eg. Elon Musk's DOGE team).
Racial classification and gender ideology are the hallmarks of the modern 'left"...
Here's what you need to understand ->
(1) The REAL "left" (and not the faux left in the US) is AGAINST hierarchy (i.e. the system that oppresses the common person - class consciousness, the 99% against the 1%)
(2) Right-wing ideology believes in the opposite - a natural default hierarcy based on either "might-is-right" or "white supremacy" or "manifest destiny" or a number of other hierarchy-supporting narratives. "Rightists" believe that there is natural order to everything with some groups are inherently superior to others. They confuse "order" for "hierarchy".
(3) TPTB continues to create moral panics (as one of their MANY strategies to divide the common person) so that the right-and-left of the 99% don't unite against the 1%
(4) Racial classification is the hallmark of CAPITALISM
(5) Gender ideology is used and abused by BOTH Democrats AND Republicans to further divide us 99% against each other.
Bill Jarett, if you're not in the 1% - you too are a part of the 99% being exploited by the 1% (probably in ways that you might not be aware of).
Agree 100% but suffering from brain sprain. What is TPTB?
Abbreviation for The Powers That Be
Thank you!
TPTB = The Powers That Be
Disagree 100% except for #3.
That's good "your friendly neighborhood nutjob" (as per your profile blurb).
It's always good to start somewhere and get educated. Now's the perfect time for you.
Here is a playlist that you should watch -> "Theory Lectures by What is Politics" (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU4FEuj4v9eAU706Cz_fCvcG44pNow14Y)
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Excellent reply, thank you.
It appears that you have hit on a spontaneous sequence of something cataclysmic, a natural consequence of the unchecked evil of genocide continually paraded before us, as we sit in our own paralysis watching the destruction wrought by amoral power brokers.
I don't care what your politics are . Left or right makes no difference. I am proudly conservative in my approach to politics. Both the" LEFT " and the "RIGHT" are supporting this genocide .Decent people of all political leanings are calling it what it is. It is GENOCIDE. The people enabling this have no loyalty to humanity. They are monsters.
But Peter Sawchuk, you support and vote for conservative Republicans who help facilitate the genocide in Gaza and other attrocities in the world. Just about 100% of Republicans in congress enable the genocide and other worldwide attrocities. So how can you say you oppose the genocide?
And no, I did not vote for Hilliary Clinton, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris. I KNEW they would be murderers or supporters of murder and do exactly what they were and are doing now.
You are mistaken my friend. I am a Canadian and we as a people are in a fight for our existence with the current regime here. Furthermore, there has been more than one occasion when I have written in "None of the above" on a ballot. Have you?
Ok, you are Canadian. So U.S. elections obviously don't apply to you. But I am pretty sure conservative Canadian politicians support this genocide and other worldwide attrocities just as U.S. conservatives do. I am not sure if there is a progressive or conservative administration in power now, in Canada. But rest assured which ever, the Canadian government is in lock step with the U.S. in support of this genocide and other worldwide attrocities.
I don't want this, but Canadians might as well be the 51st state, as the killer idiot Trump wants. Lol.
So why is this? You say you have written in, none of the above, when confronted with a murderous conservative candidate, and asked if I have ever done so.
The answer is NEVER. When presented with the likes of Clinton, Biden, Trump, or Harris I have always voted FOR the other candidate that I felt would not commit mass murder.
Are you telling me that if you felt the conservative candidate unacceptable for moral reasons, you would write in none of the above, if the opposing candidate was a progressive and didn't support war making?
If you have recently done that, then there is a problem, and it's a big part of the reason why the Canadian government is in lock step with U.S. murderous foreign policy. And I don't have to tell you where they coincide exactly. G.B. and U.S. Canada and U.S. Your politicians in office agree with it. The same as U.S. politicians in office.
If you listen to ANY political leader in Canada it appears they all support Israel. There is no difference in their policies relating to Israel. Given this how can I not write in none of the above?
If it is the case in Canada, that all political candidates regardless of political stripes, openly support Israel's genocide, then I suppose choosing none of the above is appropriate.
In the U.S., we do have candidates that openly state they will not support U.S. wars abroad or Israel's agression; at least in the presidential elections. So we do have a choice of voting FOR an anti-war, anti-murder candidate. So what you are telling me is that Canadian politics is more right leaning or dominated than in the U.S.; you don't have this choice. Thus, my statement about G.B. and U.S. Canada and U.S. Canada the 51st state or U.S. a Canadian province. It doesn't matter what it's called.
But as I said in a previous comment, if you have chosen none of the above in the past, due to party affiliation, when there was an alternative, that is a problem.
Israel didn't start its open, in your face, genocide against the Palestinians until 10/7/23. But they have been committing attrocities since the Obama administration and before.
I am not saying there were any candidates in Canada back then, opossing Israeli attrocities, but if there were, choosing none of the above due to party affiliation, was not appropriate, in my opinion.
Politics in Canada is very far removed from the right. In fact it is so far left that our so called moderates are outright Communists. The so called Environment Minister went so far as to state the he is a "proud socialist". As far as I am concerned there is no difference between a Socialist and a Communist other than that the word Socialist is more palatable to the non critical thinking sheep.
Ideology is too often used to short circuit critical thinking.
This is why I have never belonged to a political party or donated one cent to them. I reserve the right to disagree with anyone for any reason I see fit. In my opinion those who join a party leave their critical thinking skills at the door when they walk in.
"As the drums for war with Iran beat louder and louder and parents fear their children will be sent off to die for Israel, many will blame this on the Jews."
You're absolutely right, Caitlin. I've seen those comments already. There's no distinction between the religion and the political ideology. It's as if the Zy0nists actually have a death wish. It's like they want people to hate them and blame them and come after them... It's why we have to restrain ourselves and not give in to their sick games. We have to keep educating the public that it's the ideologues who are the villains and not the entirety of the religion. It ain't easy.
"But it looks like our leaders are bound and determined to drag us in a dark direction instead." What I learned on a Zoom call this evening: Trump's Clean Beautiful Coal initiative will provide grants and loans to try to make coal economically viable while exempting it from the Clean Air Act; there is an effort under the Congressional Review Act to exempt a bunch of polluting petrochemical facilities from the Clean Air Act; the West Virginia state legislatyure, with three days left in the session, is on the verge of passing bills to block counties and municipalities from having more stringent air quality regs than the state or federal ones, which are being dismantled; they may pass the bill to exempt oil and gas tanks from inspections mandated after a spill in 2014 that poisoned the water for 300,000 people and happened during the 9-week Session, so the legislators were affected--the bill now poised to pass exempts tanks in the Zone of Critical Concern, that is those near water intakes; and the worst is a bill to encourage data centers move in and use coal or gas to power them, b locking counties and cities from any zoning or other regulation, sending the property tax monies to the state presumably for more subsidies for coal or gas, or tax breaks for the wealthy (apparently five or six county Commissioners showed up and asked the committee "How can you do this to us/ and an amendment passed to give the counties 30%. One of those proposed is in a pristine place that gets a lot of tourism; they want to build a 1.65 gigawatt gas power plant for it, and use well water for the enormous cooling needs though the nearby towns ran out of water in last year's drought.
Is WV unique, or are similarly horrible things afoot all over the country and maybe the world? It's almost as though Republicans know there will be no election in 2026, so toadying for the ayoff seems like the best bet for enough wealth to survive the coming consequences of their irresponsibility.
Different subject than Caitlin's post, min e is all about environmental atrocities and hers about Palestine, but it's all connected. It's about a culture based on domination, spiraling into collapse, allowing the worst possible people into leadership positions.
My understanding is that the west is a dying empire and is being beaten militarily, by Russia and by Yemen, and that eventually they/we will lose in Palestine, Ukraine and elsewhere.
What I wonder is when the pendulum will start swinging the other way, in the sense that governments and organizations that supported Israel's genocide will want to distance themselves from any involvement they have had, just the way they did after WWII.
Those who have supported the west's morally bankrupt wars will want to appear to have been on the right side of history, I think.
Many thanks Caitlin & Tim. You always pulls us back to reality.
The cause and effect of things coming home to roost. Israel weaponised antisemitism and in so doing denigrated their rightful place of a wronged people subjected to a holocaust. The empathy that most of humanity felt for their terrible plight - by continued pogroms against them by the western powers; culminating in the Nazi holocaust - was squandered. And dissipated in the face of their brutality and ruthlessness, and their genocidal intent against a nation they occupied and harmed. A modern day holocaust.
If this inhuman behaviour results in an "antisemitism/racism" with all its ugliness and cruelty against the Jews in the future - this time with a cause - whom are we to blame? We will all be in a dystopia manufactured and created by Israel - with aiding, abetting and support by US/West.
In an increasingly unstable world, the rising tide of the authoritarian right poses huge challenges for humanity. What will they weaponise next.... .
It would have been so much better if the self-centered culture of Zionism-Judeosupremacism hadn't taken the positions it has taken all along. The Soviet prisoners taken by the Nazis from Soviet Russia died almost entirely--3.5 million or more before the Jewish deaths had really begin. The disabled, purged from Germany earlier even. Other unwanted groups and ethnicities in their pluralities also exterminated. If the Jewish supremacists had admitted it was about all the unwanted or second-classed and not just them, and had meant that "never again" was for everyone and not just them, as their own leaders of excuses have even said, not only could none of this current monstrous situation have even developed, the whole world would very likely be at peace. Instead they never meant it, have inflated stories of their own drama while actively working to suppress others (watch *Defamation* on Youtube to see Abe Foxman of the ADL try to tell Ukraine's president to shut up about the Holodomor), and have used their constructed status as sole victim to justify this genocide as well as the entire 140 years of their naked, unjustified, and murderous from the beginning, takeover of *their idea of* "Palestine" which is even larger than is currently within the borders of "Israel".
Their status is not deserved. More than 5 times as many died in the Soviet Bolshevik nightmare, led by Jewish intellectuals. All of the deaths in the Middle East in the last 100 years trace back to them and their terrorist groups initially and their machinations latterly. How many deaths and immiserated lives cut short trace to their pressure campaigns extracting wealth from the USA?
Now we are facing the loss of our Constitution. Before that, even, their interference with the UN has hobbled the world's attempts at establishing actually functional human rights and judicial systems to enforce it.
Israeli oligarchs are fuelling the parallel genocide in the Congo as we speak and that, too, is a situation made intractable by the Zionist interference with the UN--from the USA. Have you noticed that AIPAC controls our Congress? Nothing about that is deserved because of any "victim" status and the efforts began with the Paris Peace Conference after WW1, not after WW2.
To focus on the actions of the Nazis alone, as though that's where the Political Zionists became a problem, is a knowledge mistake. It may be the case that the problem can be resolved without thinking about the pre-WW2 influence campaigns, but I doubt it. And guilt has always been a weapon of the Zionists. The events of WW2 were discussed by the movement's leaders as *useful* to them, while they were happening.
It's terrible to contemplate but it has to be faced, by Goyim and by anti-Zionist Jews alike.
I once brought up the fact that 54 million people had died in WW2, 11 million of them in Nazi death/slave labor camps and 6 million of the 11 million had been Jews. I was quickly branded anti-Semitic for stating facts and accused of minimizing the Holocaust. I suggested maybe we should view WW2 as a worldwide Holocaust instead rather than focusing so completely on one group.
We definitely should view it as a worldwide Holocaust.
The narcissistic insistence on taking all the attention isn't just dehumanizing to all the rest of the people of the world, who lost so much in that war, it's actively dangerous for the world. If we don't understand what happened, we can't know what damage lingers and we can't learn from the events how to see and prevent it from happening again.
It really is narcissistic, I think. I'm not just throwing that word around lightly. It shows up ... well in lots of places. Literature, folklore, essays and articles written by people in various roles.... To stay focused on this event, the insistence on being the only ones really harmed causes so many harms. Here's just one: by extension, everyone who died fighting is converted into either dying a deserved death because of what they had done to the only victims, or dying to serve the only noble purpose of liberating the only victims...
The screech that it's unacceptable to think about others is shorn of its power to move me, now.
Thank you 'letterwriter' and 'SW' for taking me to task. I am not unaware of the facts that you both have spoken of. The only excuse I have is that I was limiting myself to the specific instance of 'antisemitism' being weaponised by the victims who have become the oppressors themselves.
I wasn't ignoring the many atrocities of war, of colonialism, settler colonial genocides, imperialism and slavery that happened in the past and is happening now. It was as if the suffering of black/brown bodies didn't deserve to be propagandised like the other were. They weren't the worthy victims that Noam Chomsky talked about.
Please note that I called it " a holocaust" and not "The Holocaust". I agree with you that atrocities that occurred should be viewed as a worldwide Holocaust.
Well, it's easy to see the hypocrisy of the self-anointed only victims committing genocide now.
I would caution against bubbling the discussion out to encompass all settler colonialism, all genocides everywhere, all atrocities in the world. The issue here is caused by Jewish Supremacy, with Political Zionism its weapon for seeking to attain the long-dreamt of ascendancy over the world: the Third Temple, very like the Third Reich in its aims.
The issue is not black and brown bodies as though that's what motivates Jewish Supremacy. While Israel Jewish society is rife with racism, Jewish Supremacy has contempt for all goyim. Unwhite Jews are still ranked above goyim, even though that's not enough to save them from abuse.
The issue in the USA with stopping the genocide might be racism, but I think it's probably more that the Jewish claims have a particular hold on the Christian imagination; that hold itself has variants. Guilty liberals may want to avoid being those earlier Catholics who read the Talmud and the unexpurgated Torah before they were modified into a less alarming text partially transmitted through oral code-switching, became alarmed, and demanded conversion to Christianity. Dominionists may dream that the Third Temple is only their ladder to their Messiah's return--they're hoping to sacrifice the Palestinians, then sacrifice the ascendant Jews, see Revelation fulfilled, and shake hands with Jesus. But anyone at all who's enthralled by "the book" is susceptible to the Zionists'--or even non-Zionist Jewish Supremacists, who do exist and who simply don't think they themselves should be wielding the sword--demands to be seen as first among not quite equals. It is the only possible reason for the tolerance shown the demands Zionists have been making since the late 19th century. It even shows up in texts: the Christian authors of that era are shown accepting the Eastern European Zionists' claims to be "the sons of Jacob" and "Hebrews" as though they walked straight out of a creche, not out of the background that science has shown they have (insistence on fairytales being believed notwithstanding), and permissions are granted from that point. Yes, many even in the West did object that their demands were ridiculous and unfair, but the backers' extraordinary wealth combined with softheaded religious sentiment carried the day--always in key moments among just one or two people who did believe the fables. It was eventually enough to get to this point and its speed would have been faster if more fools had existed, so please do not make the error of painting every westerner with the social justice brush of shame: many fought it. That brush obscures what really happened and what is really driving this current insanity.
This is not a generic situation of the type that can only be solved by removing human violence from human nature. It is a specific political problem, which the USA's First Amendment should prevent--no establishment of religion--but is failing to do. Thinking about this problem as though its only salient points are the ones it has in common with other genocides removes our ability to see it clearly and to address it with the tools that we really do have available, if we will break the stupefaction.
I want to thank you for your response just now. Reading it, something gelled for me, about the value that it may possess for some of the most rabid supremacists, to picture all deaths in WW2 as arranged around the feet of the noble victim. Quite a sacrifice. Narcissists often demand sacrifices. Not garden variety regular narcissists, but the ones who are in the "dark triad" category. And the Israeli government has been raising the children there to slide into that mindset. This is not a generic problem of "anti colonialism". Maybe from 1880-1904 or so, but not once Jabotinsky and Zangwill met up.
Excellent response. Israel wants their country accepted as “the only democracy in the Middle East” but also a theocracy where “Jews can be safe.” By stressing their need for safety even against peaceful protests or criticism (pretending this will lead to violence) this is used to justify any and all violence and suppression on their part. It’s been a successful tactic but the more people see children, doctors, ambulance drivers who pose no threat to them but are slaughtered anyhow, it may be losing its effectiveness.
i blame (rich) americans for most of that. i also do not agree with the holodomor reference or the one about the soviet bolshevik nightmare, the american exceptionalism and the subtle nazi-apologia. i'm kinda communist.
What do you mean, the holodomor reference?
Granted there is dispute about whether it was intentional or not, and tbh I'm kind of on the side of the Soviets in this case: that they were trying to feed the area and ran into (a) supply difficulties, and (b) military aggression which they couldn't deal with, without putting controls into place.
I might have misunderstood the argument somewhat.
However, the point about Abe Foxman is that he went to the then-president of Ukraine and told him "it's not good if you try to make this as big a deal as the Holocaust is, I hope you get where I'm coming from, we'd be displeased". He went there with the implication that he walked into the room with the full weight of the USA behind him--which he'd already acknowledged to the filmmaker (who received access because of his original-Zionist ancestry Israeli Jewish heritage), and laughed about in an "aw shucks I have no idea why they'd think that about lil ol me" manner. He was clearly dissembling and playing the naif, while deliberately using foreign misunderstanding of his position in the US to consolidate and increase his and his organization's standing over the years.
The point about the holodomor is not what it actually was, because neither did Abe Foxman argue based on what it actually might have been. The point about it is whether or not the Ukrainians value it as part of their state-formation mythos, and whether or not Abe Foxman felt entitled to strongarm the Ukrainians into keeping silent about it, accepting a lower victim status, and deferring to the Zionists.
I say the Zionists because it was in fact the Zionists who were driving this. Those who were not also rabidly pro-Israel were not the ones arguing for this victimhood primacy. The concept of a separate "nation" existing outside of whatever actual state these "national" members found themselves in--that concept is intimately tied to Foxman's belief that he was entitled to demand compliance from an actual nation-state.
As for whatever else you're talking about: save the "nazi" accusations for the Zionists. I am completely disinterested. There is no apologia, and it's a Zionists argument to say that arguing for the truth is against them or for the German Nazis. There is no such thing as a Zionist communist. They were not allowed to join the Internationale, because they would not disavow their ethnocentricity. They were voted to not be allowed in.
i understand from your explanation that your opening question is rhetorical. maybe the abe foxman story is therefor not the best example to make the point you're trying to make about 'jewish entitlement', i suppose.
there is indeed no such thing as zionist communists, plenty of zionist fascists, though and they will gladly help manufacture and fuel the new primitive jew-hatred serving (us-centralized) imperial interests.
Hi Martin--I think you have misunderstood. I'm not "explaining": do not take my words as subservient to yours. Abe Foxman's behavior is exactly an expression of Jewish Supremacist entitlement, and while you can of course develop your own opinion on that, you'll have to make your own point elsewhere to do that. recommend you watch the video I cited earlier.
There are indeed plenty of Jewish fascists--Zionists by another name. They deliberately retained the primitivism of the Talmudic traditions and the Supremacist folklore, and folded these into a Nietzschean ethnostatist Romantic fantasy of the "New Jew" and the "Muscular Hebrew". Rejection and criticism of this development, and of the Judaic or any religious tradition, are not "primitive" as you seem to think. Rather, these criticisms being rational and modern in their nature are the opposite of primitive and the opposite of what they critique. Bias against the specific Jewish theocratic-atheist romantic blended fascism on grounds of religion or ideology against that ideology are of course also primitive in nature, but that's not what's going on here and criticism of Jewish Supremacy or Zionism even for its theology are not rooted in that primitive as a necessity and it's a falsification via sleight of hand to say it is. Nor are criticisms "manufactured" and I question your use of inappropriate yet loaded terminology to try to paint a picture.
I wonder where you are coming from exactly. It is rare for native speakers to respond as you have, and you are also being evasive. My question to you was not rhetorical. Explain what you meant by "the holodomor reference", and everything else as well.
oops, too bad my reply button doesn't work anymore.
So well said, Letterwriter!
Antisemitism now has an identical twin: anti-Americanism. Both richly earned.
anti-americanism is still missing something to feign the victim-status, though.
They have the "white-replacement" conspiracy theory that is pushed by White Supremacists like Tucker Carlson and others. They think they are the "victims" since everyone is trying to replace all whites in the U.S. (their narrative).
yes, but the 'narrative' does not quite compare to what the zionists get to use, imo. there's also the attempt to hijack the '100 million deaths by communism' from empire by replacing 'communists' with 'bolshevik jews'. the victims were of course 'christians'.
I'm not sure I agree that the far-right will be the beneficiary. On the right the main source of opposition to Israel has been the anti-war, libertarian right. People like Ron Paul, Dave Smith, Thomas Massie, etc.
The fascist right is actually pretty amenable to the State of Israel. They agree with it ideologically, albeit with different ethnic groups and nations in mind. Don't forget the Zionists and the NSDAP made an agreement back in the day.
The fascist right is also rabidly supportive of Ukraine. The failure of both of these conflicts would seem pretty unlikely to benefit these fascists.
On the other hand, the anti-war, libertarian right has been in opposition to both of these conflicts and ones like them for decades. The kind of people who cheered when Trump banished Pompeo and Haley. The kind of people who are currently very disillusioned with the Trump administration over their conduct in the ME, and the anti-speech measures.
Make no mistake, they are a significant and growing faction within the right, and the failure of both of these conflicts will only boost them further.
In the same way that I'm not a DemocracyNow! type left winger, yet I will still be happy if this faction takes over the Democrats; you might not be a Liberty Report type right winger, but you should still be happy if this faction takes over the GOP.
Right now we are in a holding pattern as we wait to see how badly we fail at the talks Saturday Ap 12th concerning Iran because fail we will. The interesting part will be what the excuses will be for failing to get Iran to agree to become the next Libya. There may be some consolation prize or pretzel twisting to explain it as some win.
Hegseth, being a sycophant extraordinaire of the highest order, will perhaps be called on the carpet to explain why he thought our weaponry could defeat Iran when it has failed so miserably with the attacks on Yemen. He might recall the stealth fighters sent to punish Iran turning tail when they were spotted. Perhaps he will understand then that head nodding will only get you so far and that you need the goods to back the deal.
Russia, in the meantime, will sit by the river and watch the corpses float by to paraphrase Medvedev. This is meant metaphorically.
There is not much "winning" going on. And the charges of "antisemitism" will be revealed in time to be emanating from compassionate and moral people not wanting to be a part of wholesale murder of innocents. But Israel has shown its genocidal hand and it can't be unseen.
The only thing a war on Iran need accomplish is to turn that country into a failed state.
Feral, it won’t happen. Remember the alliance between Iran, Russia and China.
Even North Korea has promised to get involved should the Benighted States of IsraHell attack Iran. Yeah, and we all know what Kim Jong’s sittin ‘ on 😉
Don't kid yourself. Syria was turned into a failed state and China, Iran and Russia stood idly by.
Feral, Iran ain’t Syria, my dear kitty. Iran has a million-man military. Assad couldn’t even afford to pay his military so they disappeared.
Did I mention hypersonic missiles? The Straits of Hormuz? And the military agreement signed with Russia on Jan. 17?
So why did Iran stand by as Syria was toppled and the genocide raged?
Sorry, but too many people overstimate the determination and power of those opposed tot he Empire.
>>"Sorry, but too many people overstimate the determination and power of those opposed tot he Empire."
EXACTLY! There is too much "optimism bias" (and emotions) and not enough objective thinking that I see in Caitlin's substack when it comes to Anti-U.S. Empire geopolitics.
Simple, Feral.
Iran ain’t Syria and clearly had no vested interest in decimating its armed forces to intercede.
Wren.. you mean “Kegseth.” 😉
In an ideal world, the town drunk and the Sec. of Defense are not the same person.
You hit the nail on the head with this oped. The Zionist tentacles run deep thru out many nations. Its gonna get very ugly and many non Zionist liberal anti genocide Jews everywhere are gonna feel the heat undeservingly so. All because of the reasons you stated/examplfied in this oped. I'm not anti Jew but i'm not enamored with Zionist Jews be they of Israel or wherever.
The state of Israel could bring us all down. Should it exist?
No, it shouldn't.
Even after 18 months of using ‘antisemitism’ to justify a live genocide, as it has been used for the last 77 years, you still don’t understand? ‘Antisemitism’ is a fucking word used by Jewish lobbies to keep the Jews above other humans. What atrocities are left that they didn’t commit, so you start to come out of the fear, and if these evil lobbies control minds. Enough is enough with antisemitism BS!
Zionism is the ugly meeting point of Judaic Supremacy and Western Supremacy. Choosing to critique only one is to be part of the problem.
I agree. The very spirit of Zionism, which I believe is the very spirit of anti-Christ, cannot be separated from Judaic supremacy promulgated in the teachings of the Talmud which arose to largely replace the teachings of the Torah following the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. E. Micahel Jones has written a fascinating history of this ascendency of Jewish Supremacy entitled:: "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit And Its Impact On World History."
It's well worth the read.
Funny that it's only Israel that can't take criticism. They're pretty sensitive, they can dish it out but they can't take it. Such vileness but they get around that by chumming up with Jews.
Hi Denise
Yeahhhhhh…witness all those poor, poor Jewish students at Columbia and elsewhere who feel “unsafe” because of pro/Palestinian protests.
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And if you truly ARE a Zionazi, be afraid. Be very afraid ‘cause WE’RE COMIN’ FOR YA.
As wicked, evil, demented, and satanic as the gangster Zionist regime is, could it be that the increased disgust for it and opposition to it, is an actual intended outcome of their savagery for sinister purposes?
Yes it seems that the Zionist plan is to incite hatred of Jews and I suspect that was the case in the buildup to WWII