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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Israel is a Genocidal State. Free Palestine. Prosecute the War Criminals and supporters.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Chuck

Stopping The Gaza Holocaust Is The First Step…

Contrarian 33

just now

At the end of the Second World War as everyone knows, the free world, which included the USA in those days, placed on trial the criminal elements of The Third Reich after six long years of military violence.

After the end of World War II in Europe, the United States, the United Kingdom, the U.S.S.R., and France established the International Military Tribunal with jurisdiction over war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and conspiracy to commit such crimes. Today, China should take the place of the USA who have shown the world in no uncertain terms that they also deserve to be charged as well and that people like Biden and Trump should also receive the death penalty.

Those WWII crimes were no more inhumane than we are seeing today in Gaza, but considerably larger in number, Ten German leaders were hanged. Rightly so.

An equal number of Israelis need to receive the same penalty.

Special attention; a trial for the child snipers and the rapists should also be established.

I am confident that the world is expecting the same to happen after this disgraceful genocide has been stopped, hopefully once again by a combination of the decent states of this world, excluding the USA, until full retribution has been seen to have been done.

Then if the the USA has any conception of the long term evils and disloyal behaviours of politicians, dual citizens of the USA AND Israel, AIPAC members, ADL operatives and the thousands of fellow travellers in every corridor in Washington, they should address those people with a better organised purge than we saw in the 1950's under the control of Senator Joe McCarthy. Something then of a theatrical farce. The ‘danger' then was Communism. Compared to Zionism, a misdemeanour.

The kind of investigation needed is a very high priority. with the emphasis on the US mercenaries who killed in Gaza, who were paid by Israel and who have returned home to America and other countries , free as a breeze. No criminal charges ever having been considered.

Come on, decent Americans. Rid your country of this insidious disease.

You can do it.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Chuck

At the end of the Second World War as everyone knows, the free world, which included the USA in those days, placed on trial the criminal elements of The Third Reich after six long years of military violence.

After the end of World War II in Europe, the United States, the United Kingdom, the U.S.S.R., and France established the International Military Tribunal with jurisdiction over war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and conspiracy to commit such crimes. Today, China should take the place of the USA who have shown the world in no uncertain terms that they also deserve to be charged as well and that people like Biden and Trump should also receive the death penalty.

Those WWII crimes were no more inhumane than we are seeing today in Gaza, but considerably larger in number, Ten German leaders were hanged. Rightly so.

An equal number of Israelis need to receive the same penalty.

Special attention; a trial for the child snipers and the rapists should also be established.

I am confident that the world is expecting the same to happen after this disgraceful genocide has been stopped, hopefully once again by a combination of the decent states of this world, excluding the USA, until full retribution has been seen to have been done.

Then if the the USA has any conception of the long term evils and disloyal behaviours of politicians, dual citizens of the USA AND Israel, AIPAC members, ADL operatives and the thousands of fellow travellers in every corridor in Washington, they should address those people with a better organised purge than we saw in the 1950's under the control of Senator Joe McCarthy. Something then of a theatrical farce.

The kind of investigation needed is a very high priority. with the emphasis on the US mercenaries who killed in Gaza, who were paid by Israel and who have returned home to America, free as a breeze. No criminal charges even being considered.

Come on, decent Americans. Rid your country of this insidious disease.

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Fadi Lama's avatar

God bless you Caitlin for your work!

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Ron Stockton's avatar

Stopping the genocide is “the first step”. I have such a low opinion of world leaders now, that I don’t think they can rebuild trust. If they stop the genocide it will only be because of self-interest, like fear of revolution. Here in Canada, we have two main political parties that actively support genocide, on main party that spoke quietly for a ceasefire and after that silence, one marginal fascist party that supports genocide, and one marginal Green Party that may vacillate depending on who is speaking. There is no point to the electoral process. It would take a literal socialist revolution before I’d be open to beginning to trust.

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Susan T's avatar

Yves Engler might, just might, be a decent politician if he got elected

https://yvesforndpleader.ca/

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GG Stonehouse's avatar

The NDP party establishment are hellbent on stopping Engler’s leadership campaign and for good reason. From my vantage, he has been the most consistent and outspoken critic of Canadian governments’ deep complicity in supporting.the Israeli genocide and in allowing business-as-usual to continue with the racist, apartheid murderous Israeli state. As has been well documented, Canada like other G-8 countries, continues to sell arms to Israeli via exports to the U.S. And the ruling elites like their neoliberal partners-in-crime in the U.K. France and Germany have orchestrated a vicious campaign against pro-Palestinian protesters in the universities and elsewhere who are oppposing the genocide, smearing them in true Orwellian fashion as anti-semites.

To stymie Engler’s campaign, the power brokers raised the entry fee for running for leadership from $30 000 to $100 000 and put in place a suite of utterly ridiculous and divisive identitarian rules for prospective leadership candidates. Engler, while he doesn’t expect to win the leadership campaign, aims to keep the NDP’s feet to the fire by continuing to expose what he rightly describes as ‘vocally tepid’ oppostion to the lifestreamed genocide. Engler has outed the leading candidate for the NDP leadership, Heather MacPherson, who, as foreign affairs critic, has supported calls for an arms embargo and for sanctions against the most blatant far-right Israeli ministers, but has conspicuously failed in taking issue with what Engler terms the ‘low-hanging fruit’ that implicates Canada in numerous ways with the racist, apartheid, mass murdering Israeli settler colonial project. Examples where MacPherson and the NDP have been quiescent abound including applying federal law to Canadians who have joined the IDF; the federal government’s failure to withdraw charitable tax status to dozens of Canadian organizations that support the Israeli state, racist organizations and West Bank settlements; or opposing the placing of Canadian pro-Palestinian organizations on a terrorist list because they support Palestinian resistance. And as Engler has gone to great lengths to publicize, MacPherson has close relationship with Irwin Cotler, one of Canada’s most notorious Zionists… She has also cowtowed to powerful interests which are attempting to equate oppostion to Israeli apartheid and genocide with antisemitism.

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Susan T's avatar

It would be a huge surprise to me if Engler got in. But I am glad he is there. He is intelligent and moral. Right away, that makes it unlikely that he would win the the leadership.

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GG Stonehouse's avatar

See Engler’s recent piece Educate Canadians about Palestine at https://yvesengler.com/2025/08/11/educate-canadians-about-palestine-support-yves-engler/

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Ann Remnant's avatar

💯

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

You make such an important point, Caitlin. If people don't have the moral clarity to oppose the ongoing genocide in Gaza they're unfit for friendship, or political or corporate leadership. And certainly not worthy of any kind of media following.

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

No media following, you say?

Ha, that would shut down mainstream in an instant. How about we consider that as a protest. Stop watching mainstream news and vote every single person in office who does not see the genocide in Gaza as the moral issue of our time.

Your voice would echo off the walls of congress as there would be only the guards left in the hallways.

I know folks are focused on Netanyahu, but Trump is along side him, he is just as genocidal as Netanyahu. He gives him the weapons, Netanyahu and his henchmen, pull the trigger. Who is more culpable?

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Mary Costello's avatar

Don't forget Biden, Blinken et al.... who gave full financial, military, diplomatic and moral cover to this genocide from the word go—Blinken, who flew back and forth for 15 months, pretending to act as the 'honest broker', as US war planes ferried 2000 pound bombs ahead and behind him to incinerate Palestinians. And Starmer, Von der Leyen and all the other Western powers who continue to send the bombs and planes and intell while 'imploring' Israel to respect international law. None of this would have been possible without the US.

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Rula Abboud's avatar

Blinken's father, Maurice Blinken, was an early backer of Israel and founded the American Palestine Institute which helped persuade the United States to back the creation of Israel.

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SLK's avatar

,💯🎯👍

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Feral Finster's avatar

"Palestine is the moral issue of our time for the same reason if you saw someone in your family torturing another member of your family to death, it would be the most urgent matter happening in your life at that moment."

Hell, pretend that Russia were doing one tenth the atrocities that Israel commits every single day in broad daylight.

The virtue signaling and performative outrage would be mind-blowing off the charts. But, since Israel is America's Special Pet, we hear excuses, stupid cliches, and crickets.

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

There is one thing that I see happening as we are faced with this live-streamed genocide. And that is a subtle awaking about the atrocities that have been going on in Palestine since the early 1900's. Most folks had no idea aside from the propaganda that there was anything wrong with the whole idea of settling European Jews in an area already occupied by Palestinians, that included, Christians, Muslims and Indigenous Jews. Curious minds are seeing more and more information come out into the public sphere. Minds that swallowed the hype are suffering an extreme case of cognitive dissonance until they shake it off and accept that they, too, have been lied to. The sacrifice that the Palestinians are making is waking the world up to Empire and its managers and that they are as close as your next door neighbor. This awakening may shake some bones for those who have thought so highly of their so-called civlization.

Even the Arab world is being exposed for its ineptitude.

The gig is up, the veil is lifted and basically at a tremendous cost to our beloved Palestinians, but their sacrifice will shift the direction of the world as we know it.

It will either 1, continue to be the den of corrupted, mentally deranged individuals.

Or,

2, It will cause a shift so impressive that the Emperor, all of them, will be disgustingly naked for all to see... and they will ultimately be held accountable.

As I age on this planet, I would love to see option 2 come to be, however, it may take longer years than I have left to happen, because, surely, this militarized world's war machine is not grinding down.

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Davina's avatar

Too true, Nana, too much money gets made from making bombs and bullets etc for them to give up their wealth. The law that tells us to turn our weapons into plowshares is anethma to the.

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

For the love of money............

The O'Jays - For The Love of Money (Official Audio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw

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John Turcot's avatar

Yes, for the love of money” , but linked to the consequences of its absence.

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The Underdog's avatar

I put time and effort into writing proposals on how to counter the genocide (https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/breaking-the-genocide-proposals-for) because if we, as a collective, cannot stop an in-your-face genocide, not only will that tell the genocide-backing world 'leaders' that we have the world's least effective resistance movement but it greenlights them to do it again, and they WILL do it again, history has shown when so-called "leaders" get away with something, they keep doing it until something akin to a French Revolution comes along and it comes to a head. Or three.

Saying 'let us just ignore it or be indifferent' is trying to argue 'these Palestinians are worthless' or 'they're not worth getting alarmed about'. I get concerned if other people's children are in danger in this country, why shouldn't I feel the same concern about them in other countries? Do they stop being children when they change borders?

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Jodi Yaccino's avatar

Palestinians have been suffering for decades, we are long overdue to put an end to it! If you ignore this issue or worse yet , support Israel, you are a worthless piece of shit. I want nothing to do with anyone who isn’t doing everything they can to help end this atrocity.

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John Turcot's avatar

The atrocities regarding killings of all kinds did not start in the killing fields of human clans, but in the minds of the masses who support the idea that some people deserve to live without a home.

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Anthony Hendriks's avatar

You nailed it Caitlin. It IS the moral question of our day and it is staring us in the face. I'm in Canada and I'm ashamed of our leaders for lying about supporting Israel via the back door. How low can you get?

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John Turcot's avatar

I am also Canadian, but I see Canadians kill each other through abject negligence all the time, so why should the Canadian government care about Gazans when they don’t even care about their own?

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dale ruff's avatar

Anyone indifferent to the genocide in Gaza is already dead.

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russian_bot's avatar

And the deadest among them are alive just enough to make sure the real alive become real dead.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Wonderful answer/explanation Caitlin! Much gratitude for your efforts at explaining and elucidating to many good (but otherwise often ignorant or distracted) segments of society the many ways in which PALESTINE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT MORAL ISSUE OF OUR TIME! 🙏🙏❤️

I especially love this paragraph very much ->

CJ>>"If we’re the sort of society that would allow a live-streamed genocide to take place with the support of our own government and its allies, then we’re not the sort of society that can steer away from its trajectory toward dystopia and armageddon. If you’re the sort of individual who would allow a live-streamed genocide to take place with the support of your own government and its allies, then you’re not the sort of individual who can help steer our species away from disaster." 💯👏🙏❤️

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Davina's avatar

A few days ago while I was out having coffee and catching up on Substack with what was now happening to Palestinians in Gaza. A woman, on her way out, asked me in a condescending tone, if I was playing games - I'm 85 so maybe she thought that was as much thinking I could be capable of, so I told her directly, 'No, I'm catching up on what horrors Israel is torturing Gazans with today.'

Her reply was that it was: oh yes, it's terrible, again with that same condescending tone, and took off. Grrrrr!

Our PM and FM has said they will recognise Palestine in September, along some other with conditions? No other country should even consider that it is their place to put conditions on a country older than the bible, and written in that bible so often, everything about Jesus happened in Palestine - please don't bring up the years he was elsewhere, His important words and actions were carried out in Palestine. There is no mention ever about a place called Isreal, but there is about a MAN named Israel. The present day place called, by the stolen man's name, Israel is breaking every single commandment, all of God's laws and are helped along by rabbis who obviously have not read ir taken in

God's laws because they're inconvenience to zionist israelis.

So, yes, Palestine is the most important place on earth right now, and their support, and a ceasefire, is tantamount to our morality and their continuation to be able to live peacefully, unoccupied by an evil self-entered regime.

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MWM in Ohio's avatar

Yes!!!! Amen!!!! If I could think of anything else to say that is better than what you’ve said here I would scream it into the void until I dropped dead. Amen!!!!

By God, I’m flabbergasted by the directness and undeniable honesty of your ideas and how you articulate them…..thank you

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Oscar Alx's avatar

Some may have heard this before, I have not:

"Israel’s Biggest US Donor [Larry Ellison] Now Owns CBS"

https://www.mintpressnews.com/israels-biggest-us-donor-now-owns-cbs/290347/

Thus they also own Australia's Channel 10.

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russian_bot's avatar

Caitlin says: "I don’t know what ideas, strategies and movements will get us out of this mess, but I do know that if any are going to emerge they’re going to come from the people who’ve been taking a strong stand against Israel..."

Take a look back in history - there's always been people keenly aware of what was going on at the moment. But they didn't matter just like now. When did the world "come together" and produced something decisive? When all the participants suffered as a result of devastating wars.

We're heading towards something similar. The critical masses have to be subjected to tangible suffering for another attempt to solve problems to take place once again. For such is humanity. Stupid and vain.

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Laurie Z's avatar

Wholeheartedly agree. Gaza is the loose thread that unravels the whole illusion. It’s only from there that anything true can come into being.

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John Turcot's avatar

Gaza is indeed a loose thread, but the only loose thread in this garment calling itself civilization. Last time I looked beyond the rhetoric of the empire., I saw masses of people also supporting homelessness and abject inequality, the sources of most conflicts.

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Laurie Z's avatar

The failure to recognize oneself in the other is the source of it all.

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John Turcot's avatar

Yes, the people who make it hard for others are often the very same people who are themselves just a few psychecks away from homelessness..

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