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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Israel is a Genocidal State. Free Palestine. Prosecute the War Criminals and supporters.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Chuck

Stopping The Gaza Holocaust Is The First Step…

Contrarian 33

just now

At the end of the Second World War as everyone knows, the free world, which included the USA in those days, placed on trial the criminal elements of The Third Reich after six long years of military violence.

After the end of World War II in Europe, the United States, the United Kingdom, the U.S.S.R., and France established the International Military Tribunal with jurisdiction over war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and conspiracy to commit such crimes. Today, China should take the place of the USA who have shown the world in no uncertain terms that they also deserve to be charged as well and that people like Biden and Trump should also receive the death penalty.

Those WWII crimes were no more inhumane than we are seeing today in Gaza, but considerably larger in number, Ten German leaders were hanged. Rightly so.

An equal number of Israelis need to receive the same penalty.

Special attention; a trial for the child snipers and the rapists should also be established.

I am confident that the world is expecting the same to happen after this disgraceful genocide has been stopped, hopefully once again by a combination of the decent states of this world, excluding the USA, until full retribution has been seen to have been done.

Then if the the USA has any conception of the long term evils and disloyal behaviours of politicians, dual citizens of the USA AND Israel, AIPAC members, ADL operatives and the thousands of fellow travellers in every corridor in Washington, they should address those people with a better organised purge than we saw in the 1950's under the control of Senator Joe McCarthy. Something then of a theatrical farce. The ‘danger' then was Communism. Compared to Zionism, a misdemeanour.

The kind of investigation needed is a very high priority. with the emphasis on the US mercenaries who killed in Gaza, who were paid by Israel and who have returned home to America and other countries , free as a breeze. No criminal charges ever having been considered.

Come on, decent Americans. Rid your country of this insidious disease.

You can do it.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Chuck

At the end of the Second World War as everyone knows, the free world, which included the USA in those days, placed on trial the criminal elements of The Third Reich after six long years of military violence.

After the end of World War II in Europe, the United States, the United Kingdom, the U.S.S.R., and France established the International Military Tribunal with jurisdiction over war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and conspiracy to commit such crimes. Today, China should take the place of the USA who have shown the world in no uncertain terms that they also deserve to be charged as well and that people like Biden and Trump should also receive the death penalty.

Those WWII crimes were no more inhumane than we are seeing today in Gaza, but considerably larger in number, Ten German leaders were hanged. Rightly so.

An equal number of Israelis need to receive the same penalty.

Special attention; a trial for the child snipers and the rapists should also be established.

I am confident that the world is expecting the same to happen after this disgraceful genocide has been stopped, hopefully once again by a combination of the decent states of this world, excluding the USA, until full retribution has been seen to have been done.

Then if the the USA has any conception of the long term evils and disloyal behaviours of politicians, dual citizens of the USA AND Israel, AIPAC members, ADL operatives and the thousands of fellow travellers in every corridor in Washington, they should address those people with a better organised purge than we saw in the 1950's under the control of Senator Joe McCarthy. Something then of a theatrical farce.

The kind of investigation needed is a very high priority. with the emphasis on the US mercenaries who killed in Gaza, who were paid by Israel and who have returned home to America, free as a breeze. No criminal charges even being considered.

Come on, decent Americans. Rid your country of this insidious disease.

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Fadi Lama's avatar

God bless you Caitlin for your work!

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Ron Stockton's avatar

Stopping the genocide is “the first step”. I have such a low opinion of world leaders now, that I don’t think they can rebuild trust. If they stop the genocide it will only be because of self-interest, like fear of revolution. Here in Canada, we have two main political parties that actively support genocide, on main party that spoke quietly for a ceasefire and after that silence, one marginal fascist party that supports genocide, and one marginal Green Party that may vacillate depending on who is speaking. There is no point to the electoral process. It would take a literal socialist revolution before I’d be open to beginning to trust.

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Susan T's avatar

Yves Engler might, just might, be a decent politician if he got elected

https://yvesforndpleader.ca/

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GG Stonehouse's avatar

The NDP party establishment are hellbent on stopping Engler’s leadership campaign and for good reason. From my vantage, he has been the most consistent and outspoken critic of Canadian governments’ deep complicity in supporting.the Israeli genocide and in allowing business-as-usual to continue with the racist, apartheid murderous Israeli state. As has been well documented, Canada like other G-8 countries, continues to sell arms to Israeli via exports to the U.S. And the ruling elites like their neoliberal partners-in-crime in the U.K. France and Germany have orchestrated a vicious campaign against pro-Palestinian protesters in the universities and elsewhere who are oppposing the genocide, smearing them in true Orwellian fashion as anti-semites.

To stymie Engler’s campaign, the power brokers raised the entry fee for running for leadership from $30 000 to $100 000 and put in place a suite of utterly ridiculous and divisive identitarian rules for prospective leadership candidates. Engler, while he doesn’t expect to win the leadership campaign, aims to keep the NDP’s feet to the fire by continuing to expose what he rightly describes as ‘vocally tepid’ oppostion to the lifestreamed genocide. Engler has outed the leading candidate for the NDP leadership, Heather MacPherson, who, as foreign affairs critic, has supported calls for an arms embargo and for sanctions against the most blatant far-right Israeli ministers, but has conspicuously failed in taking issue with what Engler terms the ‘low-hanging fruit’ that implicates Canada in numerous ways with the racist, apartheid, mass murdering Israeli settler colonial project. Examples where MacPherson and the NDP have been quiescent abound including applying federal law to Canadians who have joined the IDF; the federal government’s failure to withdraw charitable tax status to dozens of Canadian organizations that support the Israeli state, racist organizations and West Bank settlements; or opposing the placing of Canadian pro-Palestinian organizations on a terrorist list because they support Palestinian resistance. And as Engler has gone to great lengths to publicize, MacPherson has close relationship with Irwin Cotler, one of Canada’s most notorious Zionists… She has also cowtowed to powerful interests which are attempting to equate oppostion to Israeli apartheid and genocide with antisemitism.

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Susan T's avatar

It would be a huge surprise to me if Engler got in. But I am glad he is there. He is intelligent and moral. Right away, that makes it unlikely that he would win the the leadership.

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GG Stonehouse's avatar

See Engler’s recent piece Educate Canadians about Palestine at https://yvesengler.com/2025/08/11/educate-canadians-about-palestine-support-yves-engler/

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Ann Remnant's avatar

💯

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

You make such an important point, Caitlin. If people don't have the moral clarity to oppose the ongoing genocide in Gaza they're unfit for friendship, or political or corporate leadership. And certainly not worthy of any kind of media following.

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

No media following, you say?

Ha, that would shut down mainstream in an instant. How about we consider that as a protest. Stop watching mainstream news and vote every single person in office who does not see the genocide in Gaza as the moral issue of our time.

Your voice would echo off the walls of congress as there would be only the guards left in the hallways.

I know folks are focused on Netanyahu, but Trump is along side him, he is just as genocidal as Netanyahu. He gives him the weapons, Netanyahu and his henchmen, pull the trigger. Who is more culpable?

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Mary Costello's avatar

Don't forget Biden, Blinken et al.... who gave full financial, military, diplomatic and moral cover to this genocide from the word go—Blinken, who flew back and forth for 15 months, pretending to act as the 'honest broker', as US war planes ferried 2000 pound bombs ahead and behind him to incinerate Palestinians. And Starmer, Von der Leyen and all the other Western powers who continue to send the bombs and planes and intell while 'imploring' Israel to respect international law. None of this would have been possible without the US.

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Rula Abboud's avatar

Blinken's father, Maurice Blinken, was an early backer of Israel and founded the American Palestine Institute which helped persuade the United States to back the creation of Israel.

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SLK's avatar

,💯🎯👍

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Feral Finster's avatar

"Palestine is the moral issue of our time for the same reason if you saw someone in your family torturing another member of your family to death, it would be the most urgent matter happening in your life at that moment."

Hell, pretend that Russia were doing one tenth the atrocities that Israel commits every single day in broad daylight.

The virtue signaling and performative outrage would be mind-blowing off the charts. But, since Israel is America's Special Pet, we hear excuses, stupid cliches, and crickets.

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

There is one thing that I see happening as we are faced with this live-streamed genocide. And that is a subtle awaking about the atrocities that have been going on in Palestine since the early 1900's. Most folks had no idea aside from the propaganda that there was anything wrong with the whole idea of settling European Jews in an area already occupied by Palestinians, that included, Christians, Muslims and Indigenous Jews. Curious minds are seeing more and more information come out into the public sphere. Minds that swallowed the hype are suffering an extreme case of cognitive dissonance until they shake it off and accept that they, too, have been lied to. The sacrifice that the Palestinians are making is waking the world up to Empire and its managers and that they are as close as your next door neighbor. This awakening may shake some bones for those who have thought so highly of their so-called civlization.

Even the Arab world is being exposed for its ineptitude.

The gig is up, the veil is lifted and basically at a tremendous cost to our beloved Palestinians, but their sacrifice will shift the direction of the world as we know it.

It will either 1, continue to be the den of corrupted, mentally deranged individuals.

Or,

2, It will cause a shift so impressive that the Emperor, all of them, will be disgustingly naked for all to see... and they will ultimately be held accountable.

As I age on this planet, I would love to see option 2 come to be, however, it may take longer years than I have left to happen, because, surely, this militarized world's war machine is not grinding down.

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Davina's avatar

Too true, Nana, too much money gets made from making bombs and bullets etc for them to give up their wealth. The law that tells us to turn our weapons into plowshares is anethma to the.

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

For the love of money............

The O'Jays - For The Love of Money (Official Audio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw

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John Turcot's avatar

Yes, for the love of money” , but linked to the consequences of its absence.

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The Underdog's avatar

I put time and effort into writing proposals on how to counter the genocide (https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/breaking-the-genocide-proposals-for) because if we, as a collective, cannot stop an in-your-face genocide, not only will that tell the genocide-backing world 'leaders' that we have the world's least effective resistance movement but it greenlights them to do it again, and they WILL do it again, history has shown when so-called "leaders" get away with something, they keep doing it until something akin to a French Revolution comes along and it comes to a head. Or three.

Saying 'let us just ignore it or be indifferent' is trying to argue 'these Palestinians are worthless' or 'they're not worth getting alarmed about'. I get concerned if other people's children are in danger in this country, why shouldn't I feel the same concern about them in other countries? Do they stop being children when they change borders?

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Anthony Hendriks's avatar

You nailed it Caitlin. It IS the moral question of our day and it is staring us in the face. I'm in Canada and I'm ashamed of our leaders for lying about supporting Israel via the back door. How low can you get?

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John Turcot's avatar

I am also Canadian, but I see Canadians kill each other through abject negligence all the time, so why should the Canadian government care about Gazans when they don’t even care about their own?

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dale ruff's avatar

Anyone indifferent to the genocide in Gaza is already dead.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Wonderful answer/explanation Caitlin! Much gratitude for your efforts at explaining and elucidating to many good (but otherwise often ignorant or distracted) segments of society the many ways in which PALESTINE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT MORAL ISSUE OF OUR TIME! 🙏🙏❤️

I especially love this paragraph very much ->

CJ>>"If we’re the sort of society that would allow a live-streamed genocide to take place with the support of our own government and its allies, then we’re not the sort of society that can steer away from its trajectory toward dystopia and armageddon. If you’re the sort of individual who would allow a live-streamed genocide to take place with the support of your own government and its allies, then you’re not the sort of individual who can help steer our species away from disaster." 💯👏🙏❤️

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Davina's avatar

A few days ago while I was out having coffee and catching up on Substack with what was now happening to Palestinians in Gaza. A woman, on her way out, asked me in a condescending tone, if I was playing games - I'm 85 so maybe she thought that was as much thinking I could be capable of, so I told her directly, 'No, I'm catching up on what horrors Israel is torturing Gazans with today.'

Her reply was that it was: oh yes, it's terrible, again with that same condescending tone, and took off. Grrrrr!

Our PM and FM has said they will recognise Palestine in September, along some other with conditions? No other country should even consider that it is their place to put conditions on a country older than the bible, and written in that bible so often, everything about Jesus happened in Palestine - please don't bring up the years he was elsewhere, His important words and actions were carried out in Palestine. There is no mention ever about a place called Isreal, but there is about a MAN named Israel. The present day place called, by the stolen man's name, Israel is breaking every single commandment, all of God's laws and are helped along by rabbis who obviously have not read ir taken in

God's laws because they're inconvenience to zionist israelis.

So, yes, Palestine is the most important place on earth right now, and their support, and a ceasefire, is tantamount to our morality and their continuation to be able to live peacefully, unoccupied by an evil self-entered regime.

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MWM in Ohio's avatar

Yes!!!! Amen!!!! If I could think of anything else to say that is better than what you’ve said here I would scream it into the void until I dropped dead. Amen!!!!

By God, I’m flabbergasted by the directness and undeniable honesty of your ideas and how you articulate them…..thank you

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Oscar Alx's avatar

Some may have heard this before, I have not:

"Israel’s Biggest US Donor [Larry Ellison] Now Owns CBS"

https://www.mintpressnews.com/israels-biggest-us-donor-now-owns-cbs/290347/

Thus they also own Australia's Channel 10.

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Laurie Z's avatar

Wholeheartedly agree. Gaza is the loose thread that unravels the whole illusion. It’s only from there that anything true can come into being.

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John Turcot's avatar

Gaza is indeed a loose thread, but the only loose thread in this garment calling itself civilization. Last time I looked beyond the rhetoric of the empire., I saw masses of people also supporting homelessness and abject inequality, the sources of most conflicts.

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Laurie Z's avatar

The failure to recognize oneself in the other is the source of it all.

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John Turcot's avatar

Yes, the people who make it hard for others are often the very same people who are themselves just a few psychecks away from homelessness..

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Andy's avatar

The Cabal has most of the world’s money and property, and so owns all the mainstream media, politicians, and in effect countries and their militaries. There’s some slight divide between East and West, but the self-proclaimed “elite” join together on the big operations at the expense of the people - 9/11, the Covid plandemic, NATO’s war on Ukraine, the 10/7 false flag and many others. They don’t usually call each other out for their respective atrocities as a professional courtesy. The Western elite seem to want their headquarters to be something they call Greater Israel. It dovetails neatly with regional resource and trade route control.

It’s going to be difficult to make headway against them as long as soldiers and police sell their souls in ignorance and/or malice for a salary or room and board. It sadly doesn’t take much to get people to do evil.

The Vietnamese and Afghanis kicked out the empire tail between legs at great expense in life and whatever little treasure they had. Right now the Palestinians don’t have much support otherwise the IDF, incredibly even more cowardly and inept than the US military who’ve been sent on mission after failed mission, would have zero chance of “success”. The purveyors of war and genocide are scarcely human by the standards of most normal people - they are psychopaths who know no empathy or remorse. There are only a few ways to deal with them - absolute noncompliance/resistance or the way the Vietnamese and Afghanis did.

They are Gangsters in suits though most of them are pathetically weak - Trump, Netanyahu anyone? They send goons to do their dirty work. If you’ve ever dealt with that type you understand.

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SLK's avatar

💯🎯 accurate. There is no other way,NONE.

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John Turcot's avatar

What is “accurate?”?

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Nancy's avatar

This column came just at the right time for me, Caitlin, so I thank you even more than I normally would for your words. I am still seeing red after having been attacked by the author of another Substack podcast for a comment I posted on his site.

He is someone who describes himself as a communist and a critic of Israel’s conduct in Gaza. I don’t presume to contradict him on either claim, although I’ve never attached much importance to labels people give themselves. This writer has a particular bee in his proverbial bonnet about the use of the term, “Trump Derangement Syndrome” to describe people in the U.S. who appear to think that every problem in our country begins and ends with Trump — that is, if we could only defeat him, all would be right with the world, particularly, the U.S. world. The author seems to think that those who apply this term to others, at least some of them, don’t take Trump’s threat to our democracy sufficiently seriously. The focus of his column today was an analysis by an MSM tv personality declaring that Trump had introduced the U.S. to fascism. In my comment, I pointed out that in the 22 months of Israel’s daily killing of innocents in Gaza, yes, a genocide, this tv personality, who has her own show several times a week, had not once uttered the word, “Gaza,” let alone the words “genocide” or “ethnic cleansing.” It’s as if, in her world, Gaza doesn’t exist. She is a reliable shill for the genocidal Democratic Party, and her answer to all our ills is to vote blue no matter who. I pointed this out and also said the roots of fascism did not begin in the U.S. with Trump and would not end with Trump, and that voting blue no matter who was not the answer. This elicited a response from the author suggesting that I didn’t take the immediate threat of Trump sufficiently seriously, and that I and another poster who “liked” my comment were sadly unaware that we would have to “work with” the many fans of the tv personality (Rachel Maddow) to defeat our most serious threat to democracy, Donald Trump. For starters, I do take Trump’s threat seriously. I didn’t ask, though, what “working with” these fans of Ms. Maddow would look like. Since she has never criticized Israel or even mentioned Gaza, much less genocide, and her answer to defeating fascism is to vote Democratic, I assume that “working with” her fans means voting Democratic. So, those of us who care about genocide and who see it as the ultimate expression of fascism are going to have to change. Again. Those of us who don’t see the Democratic Party as the savior of the country are “biting off our noses to spite our faces,” “letting the perfect be the enemy of the good,” or, worst of all, are responsible for the election of Trump. No matter that we did not vote for him and have opposed him at every turn. So this guy, who calls himself a communist, sounds a lot more like the establishment Democrats who chastise the rest of us for not falling in line. Mind you, he has not rebuked the Maddow fans by suggesting, for example, that they may want to take a look at why the Democrats lost last time, that maybe genocide is an important political issue after all, and even if they don’t care about it personally, and many of them do not, they might consider from a strategic perspective that supporting candidates who support genocide may be a losing hand. And, if they’re not too wedded to genocide (most likely, it’s just not important to them in the scheme of things, like it’s not to Rachel Maddow), strategically they might consider supporting a candidate who is not wedded to it. They might, for the first time ever, begin to “work with” us.

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russian_bot's avatar

Well you've described a typical TDS'er - and being a TDS'er also means not understanding what the diagnosis suggests. This blog has its share of the type, communists to boot (what is it about communists in this regards?) so you can expect similar treatment.

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Nancy's avatar

Well, I didn’t even accuse him of being a TDS’er, I don’t know him well enough to do so. It’s also a term I don’t use, although I’ve known plenty of people to whom it probably applies, including Maddow herself. My guess, though, is that other posters have called him that, because he brings up the term in almost every column I’ve read and criticizes those who have used it. It obviously strikes a nerve. Anyway, it doesn’t matter because I’m done with his column.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

I'm shocked to hear that Maddow has never even mentioned the Gaza genocide, but I guess I shouldn't be.

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Nancy's avatar

She’s not the only one on MSNBC who hasn’t — neither have Nicole Wallace or Jen Psaki. I’d keep waiting to hear them mention it, e.g., after Rafah, as starvation increases, but they never do, even at the very end of the program, when the internet is full of pictures of starving children and the accounts of doctors returning from Gaza. It’s just Trump, Trump, Trump.

Oh, and they never even talk about Gaza in their discussions of Trump. As if his actions regarding Israel and Gaza aren’t newsworthy.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

Fuck em. Glad I don't get their channel.

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