Years ago, when Obama was titular president, a cartoon of some Muslims being chased by a drone was captioned "They say, Fatima, that the next one will be sent by a woman! Really makes you feel like you are making history..."
I went back to read Caitlin's 2019 article about Biden's brain being Swiss cheese, and after reading it, I looked at the comments, and was interested to see that one comment was written by a cat who is still commenting on her writings!
OMG !!! Gasp, "Big Mike" ??? and all the democRats sang Ya Ya Ya while sipping starless fiat bucks in their bombed out basements, and rinoRats scurried around looking for cross-saint dressing crumbs.
WW3 is unthinkable in the USSA, while it has already started in Ukraine & Middle East, regardless of "Your Team's Colors".
Mr. Putin's Patience is the razors edge, the JoBama Coup has committed to slitting everyone's wrists as a prerequisite to joining their/them's Coup Club.
There must be an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Pope Francis has said what is needed, now he must do what is needed by going to Gaza and standing for peace, justice and freedom.
Pedo Pooper Francis ???? ROFLMAO. The Vatican has officially excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith announced Friday.
"The former Vatican diplomat — who garnered headlines in 2018 for alleging that senior Church officials covered up abuses committed by former cardinal Theodore McCarrick — has repeatedly rejected the authority of Pope Francis since then and has called on him to resign."
"In a lengthy statement shared on social media June 28, Viganò accused Pope Francis of “heresy and schism” over his promotion of COVID-19 vaccines and his overseeing of the 2018 Vatican-China deal on the appointment of bishops."
It doesn’t. Consider it on a par with all the , and in concert, with all the other efforts that are also going on at the same time. Who can k ow which step, which person, which combination of interacting actions will make a/the difference. No one can predict this, nor can they have any basis far saying it can’t happen. It the world of speculative actions, why not take the ones you hope can be successful. Any other behaviour, or non-actions, is, by its very nature, doomed to failure.
I have explained to Liberials that living in upstate NY that there are so many Democrats in the buroughs/NYC with the electorial college, my vote for them would mean nothing, because they would soundly win without it. If I vote conservative, my vote would mean nothing because of the winner take all effect of the electorial college in my state. So, I vote 3rd party (Green). Ironically, my vote still means nothing realistically, but I get out and at least engage in with people for a little. See Caitlynn's post about sausage, apparently they have it during voting in Australia?
Democracy doesn't exist in the US. ASk yourself, how are Democrats making things better? They are not. They literally are saying they want to keep things the same. Think about Nuclear brinkmanship with the Ukraine, (Russia claimed with fired a missle that killed civilians on a beach in Kremia) Aiding Israeli genocide, etc. What have they done for homelessness or codifying Roe V. Wade. Electing Biden again will continue the same. Electing TRump again, will give you the same. Ironic. Democrats will tell you Trump will make things worse and they will tell you that they won't make things any better...
At the end of the day, unless you are a billionaire, your vote is meaningless, because votes are cast with money. Why hasn't "Tax the Rich' happened? Instead they taxed the poor more ;)
I keep seeing people that thing that factoid is somehow relevant. We live in an Oligarchy, and you are saying no, it wasn't a chicken that was run over by the train, it was a duck.
The result is basically the same. People in the US (and the colonies of the EU and UK) used to have some say in how their country was run, and now they don't.
It used to be a lot easier to do than it is now these days. But it's not impossible, especially if you are young and ambitious. If you are wealthy, it's extremely easy to do, however.
True,we were expats for twenty years. Have only been back five. Statistics six years ago was stunning for numbers who have turned in us passports. We still have green cards. Thinking hard on outcome.
Australia or New Zealand would be a nice place to live in. There are quite a few choices now that offer far more than what the US has to offer these days. However, no country (or government) is ever perfect. There will be problems wherever you go.
And what IS wealthy? 😉 I would say that many who are “poor”, would live just fine elsewhere, catch my drift? And I don’t mean leeching off any country!
Where would you go? Just because you might not care about the new place (you won't be learning the language, and/or familiarize yourself with the place's internals etc) doesn't mean the place is better. But then maybe you don't care, and becoming an ostrich is your goal.
I doubt any country in the western hemisphere, besides maybe Brazil, can have any kind of autonomy from US hegemony.
When I play out these fantasies I think about places I could live that are safe, beautiful and relatively easy to get back to the US if I need to return for whatever reason.
A part of me would love to consider a place like Uruguay but it’s too far even for my fantasies.
Yes I want to live apart from the imperial war machine but I don’t want to lose my whole family in the process….
Eldridge Cleaver, "Soul on Ice." Watched a James Corbett documentary "World War One Conspiracy," which is really worth a look if you haven't seen it; says a lot about where we are now, as the poison seeds were sown then. Israel's a failed State in denial, racking up victims on the way out.
How do we make the government irrelevant in our lives and replace them? We know we’re fucked and anyone who thinks otherwise at this point will just follow the herd however it goes or they’re going fine and don’t care. Do we have our own vision of governance? Without creation of such, we’re just whining at this point—not disparaging that, but that’s all it is. Whining is a start.
It's going to have to be grass root movements, labor unions, a groundswell of organizations outside the government - which is now fully in the hands of the oligarchs. The US government is a fully corrupted government run by corrupt individuals, the majority of whom are puppets to the very rich donor class. The US government no longer is Representative of the American people, and no longer really follows the US Constitution - as we can easily see given the actions of the unconstitutional, lawless deep state, and the total lack of transparency in American governance, which a Democracy/Republic depends upon.
Ok, a groundswell of orgs outside the government—not sure where to go from there but it’s a start of a vision. I’m talking a fully fleshed out vision—of course can’t be done on a thread but whoever is working on that, I’d like to join. Perhaps it needs to be started? What’s the end of the vision—where do we want government to be or what’s the end result? How does that look? What’s the shared vision? We are free to make this up.
I think the first step should be to heal the great division. Does your average person really think billionaires should not pay much in taxes? Do they really not care about clean air and water or our country's beautiful lands, and would like zero regulation so that the ultra rich can get even richer? How can even the billionaires care only about money? It's baffling and tragic.
Yeah but paying taxes to this criminal government is a complete waste, too. The less taxes we give these assholes the better, arguably, and I’m not conservative at all that way. If we have a genocidal criminal government I want them getting nothing but jail time. And it’s a fact that at this point taxes have 0 to do with government spending. It’s a money printing system so they find money for whatever they want—federal spending, that is, not local taxes.
The banks have colluded with the government to allow this extortion of funds from the citizenry, true. You’d have to extricate yourself from the grid in many ways
That's a tough one. Considering the remarkable brilliance and coincidental timing of being alive at the same time - the original founding fathers of the United States (Adams, Hamilton, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc) - and the extraordinary documents and Constitution they formed, it's hard to conjecture how something like this might happen again.
My guess, you and I will be long gone before something re-emerges from the current fall of US empire, and subsequent dystopia to follow.
Yes many people are of that opinion. I am not one of them. Yes, they had their human flaws and were caught in their own cultural milieu, but they were far an above the bought pigs in a pigsty sitting in Washington DC right now.
As a commenter on SlashDot wrote during the 2016 election, "If two people are cutting off my legs, why do you think that I should thank the one who's doing it slower?"
There is no stable system by power of 0.1% of the population. That’s the root of the problem we face now. And “libertarianism” is just medievalism in modern disguise. It’s the bad ideas that birthed Citizens United!
America was founded as a Racist Patriarchy. It remains a Racist Patriarchy. However, global banks and corporations have assumed the roles filled by the founding white landowners. But America's new ruling class is far more stupid and bloodthirsty.
It’s such a shame that white people hate themselves this much!! And some of us who don’t makes them very nervous. They could commit suicide if they want, but don’t drag us in it.
".........on a presidential race whose outcome will have no effect on the murderousness and tyranny of the imperial war"
Now this line from Caitlin carries the real message for the November circus election in the good old USA.
And yet we see meetings to show the support of the poor naive pubic for both the feeble Biden and the narcisistic Trump, full of people who think that their candidate has merit.
Don't be disturbed, as it is the same with most of the white colonisers throughout the world including Australia, Canada, the UK (as we have seen) Germany and France with all parties seeming supporting the USA as their hegemonic leader and master of ceremonies, one party in each country the same as the next, all willing to throw in their lot with the USA.
So what's new?
We will all know when the first nuclear weapon flies through the air as an error from some tame NATO state (on-purpose error of course.....a proxy) or when Biden or Trump have another mental collapse or another dose of a convenient "cold" . Forgiven by all, of course as an unfortunate error, by then too late to call back the wildly enthusiastic NATO neo-Nazis armed to the teeth by the White House resident.
Action time for then for the 800 US military establishments throughout the world
The America we (Americans) celebrate is an illusion. It does not exist. Our government and judiciary, wholly owned subsidiaries of the corporate state, have no real sovereignty. Capitalism, as Karl Marx understood, when it finally dominates government, is a revolutionary force. And this revolutionary force is plunging us (the US and the world) into a state of neo-feudalism, perpetual war, ecological disaster, and a dystopian nightmare.
Chang, I was waiting a long time here on Caitlin's Newsletter for someone to mention Karl Marx in the context of the US. Capitalism was a revolutionary force as opposed to feudalism. However its inherent exploitative qualities will lead the oppressed to rise up assisted by the intelligentsia against the bourgeoisie and the ruling class. That is the wonderful theory, the practice of which a few countries have tried to achieve.
".... neo-feudalism, perpetual war, ecological disaster, and a dystopian nightmare" and I might add fascism, are already here. Are the Americans ready, willing and able to organise and rise up is the question. All we can see is an apathetic mass, conditioned and brainwashed arguing about who to vote for; confronted with the dilemma of choosing between two evils, whether to choose the 'lesser evil', forgetting the lesser evil is still evil.
>>"However its inherent exploitative qualities will lead the oppressed to rise up assisted by the intelligentsia against the bourgeoisie and the ruling class."
I don't really see that happening - anywhere. The Capitalism of today is quite grotesquely different from the days of Adam Smith and Karl Marx. It has progressed to an unhinged and super-destructive level that few people realize. (Many people can see the flaws in Capitalism, but few understand its effects in totality - it takes an understanding of systems science - or cybernetics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics) to even begin to grasp the consequences of the systems we have in place today).
In terms of fascism, I don't think we (the US) has really ever been freed of it since the "Classic Fascism" of the 1st half of the 20th Century. Fascism has a remarkable ability to morph and present itself in various forms/guises, and "the overt brutality, overnight coups, marching storm troopers, militant takeover by charismatic strongmen, angry totalitarian states, etc." is but one form. Another form of fascism is the "Capitalism" we have today permeating many parts of the world (especially the West). Still another related form of fascism is the "dictatorial systems of Corporations" and their influence on all aspects of people's lives.
I recommend referring to the following book: "Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America" by Bertram Gross (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29448940-friendly-fascism) for more details on the dynamics of a "different form of Fascism" that is VERY PREVALENT in America today. (I'll be writing a post on my substack shortly regarding this incarnation/phenomenon of "Friendly Fascism" (as Bertram Gross saw it)).
For more info on systems science and cybernetics, I recommend looking up Jacque Fresco (of Venus Project fame), R. Buckminster Fuller, Stafford Beer, and Peter Joseph (of Zeitgeist fame).
"The main arguments for supporting Democrats these days all revolve around pretending really really hard that the capitalist warmongering ecocidal tyranny of mainstream liberalism is significantly different from the capitalist warmongering ecocidal tyranny of Trumpism."
If you think there is not a qualitative difference between Trump & Project 2025 (under total immunity just created by the Supreme Court) versus the corporate DNC liberalism of a Democratic Administration you are either not in reality or completely ignorant.
Trump/P25 openly advocates for a White Christian Nationalist government and explicit proto-Nazi policies of "blood and soil". You need to wake the fuck up.
There is nothing wrong with blood and soil. Your head is filled with propaganda. Maybe you don’t want to stick up for yourself because you’re a white man, but there are plenty of white people who would like to protect themselves and feel that we have a right to.
I wonder if you blow your horn this hard on Caitlin's forum only. You never provided any links for the anti-Something Horrible 2025™ movement. Where it matters and you'd figure out prominently (it wouldn't be your blog). Are you anywhere there? Do they exist? What are they doing?
I'm sure you could recruit a few shitlibs from this forum to join your cause. Give us links!!
Still, where are the active groups/organizations doing something to prevent Something Horrible 2025™? How are you engaged there, where it matters? Joe Biden is one leader engaged in the fight, why wouldn't you support him?
I've written here and many other places - from NY Times comments to Consortium News to ScheerPost to Chris Hedges' substack - why Biden is a corporate warmongering demented genocider. Those are the places "where it matters" as they are the activists, not the Democratic Party deniers.
Refuse Fascism is an activist group. Code Pink too. Veterans for Peace. They are doing something
LOL! Just took a peak at "refusefascism". What a deranged bunch! First, they hit me for donations. Second, they behave as if fascism hasn't already been in the US and many other places for a long, long time.
And thirdly, why did I waste my time confirming you're dumb, billy? Why do I need more proof? I think because I just can't believe it observing your efforts here. 😳
PS: And no, those places are not where it matters. Bloviating deranged stuff is not the fight, billy.
It's "peek", btw. (and I thought your juvenile insult was "billie", not "billy").
And I guess you missed this:
"The Democratic Party will not stop this nightmare. Trump, fascist Fox News, and the Republi-fascist Party have branded them as enemies and “traitors.” Yet, the Democratic Party will consistently pull to try to work with, conciliate with and collaborate with them. There can be no reconciliation with fascism except on the terms of the fascists. Fascism must be resolutely opposed."
The tax cuts will be for the rich and corporations (like Trump reducing the corporate tax rates to 21% - inspite of this, Corporations still utilize multiple shell companies, on-shore and off-shore tax havens, scam charities, and hundreds of other loop holes).
When tax cuts go to the rich and corporations (like during Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, Trump, etc.), the effective tax burden increases on everyone else.
Will Project 2025 wake people up? They're already being fucked every which way and still succumb to the false narratives of the Capitalists and Empire Managers. A real live-streamed Genocide certainly doesn't seem to wake up most people. Will Project 2025 wake people up? I'm doubtful... maybe it'll happen or maybe it'll get worse...
Athenian democracy was ruled by men, supported by slave labor,and where women were without meaningful social/political/legal rights. The anti-bellum south adopted exactly this model. See, Black Reconstruction, WEB Dubois. Don't measure our democracy using the Athenian model.
I think not only what Caitlin said, but even more, it's the narrative. Anything that interferers with the narrative must be silenced, ignored, or undermined. Anything that promotes it must be amplified and extended. The underlying racism happens to work to their benefit, but if it didn't they'd find something else. I am becoming more and more convinced, that however much there is a convergence between profits and Prophets, the profit side might be rational, but on the Prophets-side, we are dealing with two homicidal/suicidal cults, one the religious fanatic Christian side, and the other from the religious Messaniac Jewish side. Both of them seek total annihilation as their objective, does not bode well. What's a few spare million or so deaths to get there?
The methods that might work to contain one of these three heads, may not work for the others. If what I am begining to believe is true, we desperately need some new thinking and techniques to deal with this dreadful convergence. Our lives, all of us, may depend on figuring out what that is.
No thanks to demoncrazy democRats and quisling rinoRats alike.
Restoring the rightfully elected President of 2020 to the WH is the MAGA Campaign of 2024, which I support. If We want a functioning society. I'm also prepared for a non-functioning society if the democRat Bolsheviks prevail in their next sElection coup.
This USSA is a Bolshevik Coupist Regime, and is part of or leading the NWO Reset Regime. A distinction without a difference.
Who/Whom will prevail is The Question in the crosshairs of Nov 24/ Jan 25 especially if 2025 becomes 1775. a good listen, hopefully ....... even for a repeat listen ....
As Biden said in his interview with George Stephanopoulous, he's running the world and taking on Putin, and his only problem is his brain. So, seriously, what's there to worry about?
Years ago, when Obama was titular president, a cartoon of some Muslims being chased by a drone was captioned "They say, Fatima, that the next one will be sent by a woman! Really makes you feel like you are making history..."
“The victim who is able to articulate the situation of the victim has ceased to be a victim: he or she has become a threat.” -- James Baldwin
I went back to read Caitlin's 2019 article about Biden's brain being Swiss cheese, and after reading it, I looked at the comments, and was interested to see that one comment was written by a cat who is still commenting on her writings!
Nine lives!
OMG !!! Gasp, "Big Mike" ??? and all the democRats sang Ya Ya Ya while sipping starless fiat bucks in their bombed out basements, and rinoRats scurried around looking for cross-saint dressing crumbs.
WW3 is unthinkable in the USSA, while it has already started in Ukraine & Middle East, regardless of "Your Team's Colors".
Mr. Putin's Patience is the razors edge, the JoBama Coup has committed to slitting everyone's wrists as a prerequisite to joining their/them's Coup Club.
There must be an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Pope Francis has said what is needed, now he must do what is needed by going to Gaza and standing for peace, justice and freedom.
Please sign the petition and share widely.
https://chng.it/CRQ7qw4Gzn
From CodePink:
Tell the U.S. to arrest Netanyahu for his crimes against humanity! And tell
Congress to boycott his
visit!
https://www.codepink.org/cnngaza?utm_campaign=12_15_pali_update_alert_3&utm_medium=email&utm_source=codepink
Let us also support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate
Also we can all support the brave doctors who have gone to Gaza: https://palestinian-ama.networkforgood.com/projects/206145-gaza-medical-supplies-oct-2023
Let us make our donations to honor Aaron Bushnell, or in memory of Hind Rajab.
Here’s a petition to excommunicate Joe Biden: https://www.change.org/p/excommunicate-president-joe-biden-bf979783-ac08-4576-a53f-c786ea23dc9c
These are a few small things we can do. If we can do more, let us do more.
The pope is about words, not deeds......!
Pedo Pooper Francis ???? ROFLMAO. The Vatican has officially excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith announced Friday.
"The former Vatican diplomat — who garnered headlines in 2018 for alleging that senior Church officials covered up abuses committed by former cardinal Theodore McCarrick — has repeatedly rejected the authority of Pope Francis since then and has called on him to resign."
"In a lengthy statement shared on social media June 28, Viganò accused Pope Francis of “heresy and schism” over his promotion of COVID-19 vaccines and his overseeing of the 2018 Vatican-China deal on the appointment of bishops."
https://www.ewtnvatican.com/articles/vatican-excommunicates-vigan%C3%B2-for-schism-3037
and i'm not Catholic, just a person acknowledging a spiritual component creating life.
Have you heard anything about “Catholic Spring”? https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2024/06/2013-the-globalist-coup-that-took-the-catholic-church/
Wow, that’s horrible. Swift is bad news for sure. They want to make it so that none of us oppose them will ever be able to eat.
It seems like you post this every day and yet it has had ZERO effect on changing anything. How does it feel to be so powerless, so neutered?
It doesn’t. Consider it on a par with all the , and in concert, with all the other efforts that are also going on at the same time. Who can k ow which step, which person, which combination of interacting actions will make a/the difference. No one can predict this, nor can they have any basis far saying it can’t happen. It the world of speculative actions, why not take the ones you hope can be successful. Any other behaviour, or non-actions, is, by its very nature, doomed to failure.
The petition signers are not "ignorant idiots," but your point is well taken.
Is this Pope even Catholic?
Hell no!
https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2024/06/2013-the-globalist-coup-that-took-the-catholic-church/
This is the kind of stuff I find so interesting. I’m open to Truth, period. The “blinders” are coming off all over the world!
Most of the top “Catholics” are actually Masonic satanists whoworship baphomet
I know. Have you ever listened to Malachi Martin on Art Bell from years ago? Or, his “fiction” book, “Windswept House”…
I will definitely look that up! I haven’t seen it yet.
He supports homosexuality and abortion, that should answer your question.
You kinda got that right “daisies”…
another poster asked if the Pope was
Catholic ..
I am not sure that even matters anymore ..
it’s interesting when You think about who’s accountable ..
neither the Pope or the Federal Reserve are accountable for anything ..
I have explained to Liberials that living in upstate NY that there are so many Democrats in the buroughs/NYC with the electorial college, my vote for them would mean nothing, because they would soundly win without it. If I vote conservative, my vote would mean nothing because of the winner take all effect of the electorial college in my state. So, I vote 3rd party (Green). Ironically, my vote still means nothing realistically, but I get out and at least engage in with people for a little. See Caitlynn's post about sausage, apparently they have it during voting in Australia?
Democracy doesn't exist in the US. ASk yourself, how are Democrats making things better? They are not. They literally are saying they want to keep things the same. Think about Nuclear brinkmanship with the Ukraine, (Russia claimed with fired a missle that killed civilians on a beach in Kremia) Aiding Israeli genocide, etc. What have they done for homelessness or codifying Roe V. Wade. Electing Biden again will continue the same. Electing TRump again, will give you the same. Ironic. Democrats will tell you Trump will make things worse and they will tell you that they won't make things any better...
At the end of the day, unless you are a billionaire, your vote is meaningless, because votes are cast with money. Why hasn't "Tax the Rich' happened? Instead they taxed the poor more ;)
Democracy is only a word that is used during elections ..
we are encumbered by the apparatus that goes by the name
Republic …
See, you and too many others didn't pay attention in Civics class. You have forgotten that the USA is a REPUBLIC, no a DEMOCRACY!
I keep seeing people that thing that factoid is somehow relevant. We live in an Oligarchy, and you are saying no, it wasn't a chicken that was run over by the train, it was a duck.
The result is basically the same. People in the US (and the colonies of the EU and UK) used to have some say in how their country was run, and now they don't.
I would like to opt out of this shit show and leave the usa. Many have.
It used to be a lot easier to do than it is now these days. But it's not impossible, especially if you are young and ambitious. If you are wealthy, it's extremely easy to do, however.
True,we were expats for twenty years. Have only been back five. Statistics six years ago was stunning for numbers who have turned in us passports. We still have green cards. Thinking hard on outcome.
Australia or New Zealand would be a nice place to live in. There are quite a few choices now that offer far more than what the US has to offer these days. However, no country (or government) is ever perfect. There will be problems wherever you go.
Those are US colonies and performing the same self-harming as Europe now.
Health care alone makes Australia or NZ more attractive than the US. Better gun laws another attractive feature.
Exactly! You know how many Australians are complaining about the DEI and the gay stuff coming their way? You can’t get away from this crap.
Definitely not a good place with CONvid tyranny. I’d never go there! I lost my job after 23 years for not sticking a swab up my nose!
I was thinking dr ,hub would like nz mars?
And what IS wealthy? 😉 I would say that many who are “poor”, would live just fine elsewhere, catch my drift? And I don’t mean leeching off any country!
I totally understand! Because, the country I thought I supported, is nothing I choose to support. Actually, it’s frightening! I was born in 1963.
Where would you go? Just because you might not care about the new place (you won't be learning the language, and/or familiarize yourself with the place's internals etc) doesn't mean the place is better. But then maybe you don't care, and becoming an ostrich is your goal.
“A man has to know his limitations.”-Dirty Harry
I have been toying the with idea of living in Costa Rica. I like the idea of living in a country with no military and no imperial ambitions.
AFAIK Costa Rica is under firm US control. It cannot have any ambitions of its own.
I doubt any country in the western hemisphere, besides maybe Brazil, can have any kind of autonomy from US hegemony.
When I play out these fantasies I think about places I could live that are safe, beautiful and relatively easy to get back to the US if I need to return for whatever reason.
A part of me would love to consider a place like Uruguay but it’s too far even for my fantasies.
Yes I want to live apart from the imperial war machine but I don’t want to lose my whole family in the process….
I'd say Mexico then. It's the closest, there are safe and comfortable spots, and they insist on calling Americans estadounidences, not americanos.
That’s an interesting thought! I guess I assumed Mexico would be more under their control but I am totally open to that thought! Thank you!!
Being much larger than those tiny Costa Ricas and Guatemalas, to say nothing of Panama, I'd say it's much more independent.
Good luck!
Spain is nice too
You may find this article of interest:
Fred on Everything
by Fred Reed
Life in a Third World Hell Hole: Mexico for Beginners
March 20, 2024
https://fredoneverything.org/life-in-a-third-world-hell-hole-mexico-for-beginners/
This sounds like a beautiful life. I would be thrilled to have a life in a place like the author describes - thank you for sharing that!
Yes!
I would like you to do this also! Would you mind filling a report from wherever you wind up on how your nivana is working out?
Eldridge Cleaver, "Soul on Ice." Watched a James Corbett documentary "World War One Conspiracy," which is really worth a look if you haven't seen it; says a lot about where we are now, as the poison seeds were sown then. Israel's a failed State in denial, racking up victims on the way out.
Thank You Caitlin
How do we make the government irrelevant in our lives and replace them? We know we’re fucked and anyone who thinks otherwise at this point will just follow the herd however it goes or they’re going fine and don’t care. Do we have our own vision of governance? Without creation of such, we’re just whining at this point—not disparaging that, but that’s all it is. Whining is a start.
It's going to have to be grass root movements, labor unions, a groundswell of organizations outside the government - which is now fully in the hands of the oligarchs. The US government is a fully corrupted government run by corrupt individuals, the majority of whom are puppets to the very rich donor class. The US government no longer is Representative of the American people, and no longer really follows the US Constitution - as we can easily see given the actions of the unconstitutional, lawless deep state, and the total lack of transparency in American governance, which a Democracy/Republic depends upon.
Ok, a groundswell of orgs outside the government—not sure where to go from there but it’s a start of a vision. I’m talking a fully fleshed out vision—of course can’t be done on a thread but whoever is working on that, I’d like to join. Perhaps it needs to be started? What’s the end of the vision—where do we want government to be or what’s the end result? How does that look? What’s the shared vision? We are free to make this up.
I think the first step should be to heal the great division. Does your average person really think billionaires should not pay much in taxes? Do they really not care about clean air and water or our country's beautiful lands, and would like zero regulation so that the ultra rich can get even richer? How can even the billionaires care only about money? It's baffling and tragic.
Yeah but paying taxes to this criminal government is a complete waste, too. The less taxes we give these assholes the better, arguably, and I’m not conservative at all that way. If we have a genocidal criminal government I want them getting nothing but jail time. And it’s a fact that at this point taxes have 0 to do with government spending. It’s a money printing system so they find money for whatever they want—federal spending, that is, not local taxes.
I looked into withholding my taxes, but don't you end up fined and/or jailed?
The banks have colluded with the government to allow this extortion of funds from the citizenry, true. You’d have to extricate yourself from the grid in many ways
This Man Says He LEGALLY Hasn't Paid Federal Taxes In Over 30 Years, “They Are Unconstitutional”
https://rumble.com/v4vur4r-are-federal-taxes-voluntary.html
Now see if you have time/resources to be fighting the feds the way he has to.
Well, yes, this could be part time of a vision—dystopia necessarily occurring first on the road to a government which actually obeys the constitution.
That's a tough one. Considering the remarkable brilliance and coincidental timing of being alive at the same time - the original founding fathers of the United States (Adams, Hamilton, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc) - and the extraordinary documents and Constitution they formed, it's hard to conjecture how something like this might happen again.
My guess, you and I will be long gone before something re-emerges from the current fall of US empire, and subsequent dystopia to follow.
And what was it all about anyway, for you and I?
(it wasn't that extraordinary, imo)
Yes many people are of that opinion. I am not one of them. Yes, they had their human flaws and were caught in their own cultural milieu, but they were far an above the bought pigs in a pigsty sitting in Washington DC right now.
All the established political parties are the under the same evil influence!
So, as long as a major disruption happens, nothing will change.
Maybe you mean, 'unless' a major disruption happens...?
As a commenter on SlashDot wrote during the 2016 election, "If two people are cutting off my legs, why do you think that I should thank the one who's doing it slower?"
Correction:
So, as long as no major disruption happens, nothing will change.
Thanks Brian Bixby for noticing the typo, and I hope I could edit the original.
Only the Libertarian Party supports the liberal social right to Freedom of Association.
Other parties / candidates I know of DEMAND people/citizens associate with The State.
I believe it is unique in that view - although I can not say with 100% certainty
'freedom of association', like getting together in a union?
yes
but it must be one that complies with FREEDOM
All (adult) parties MUST CONSENT to the association they are in
parties coerced INTO that association would violate that
would you consider bribery to be coercion?
it depends on the nature of the bribe and whether it violates contracts or rights.
Otherwise it may be behaviour you disapprove of only
I'm amazed people still haven't figured the trolling nature of your commenting. Good job!
Lawlessness <> Freedom
ALL law, regardless of whatever else, is a STATE MANDATE
LAW may just be a nice word to use for that concept
Mandate of the rich alone is medievalism.
There is no stable system by power of 0.1% of the population. That’s the root of the problem we face now. And “libertarianism” is just medievalism in modern disguise. It’s the bad ideas that birthed Citizens United!
Medieval society and law were as far as one can get from libertarian. Look up the guild system, for instance.
And I am not a libertarian.
Feigning libertarianism in the midst of inequality is an utter joke. There is no freedom of anything 0.1% of people have all the choices.
Libertarianism supports the liberal social right to Freedom of Association - even from the state.
Everyone else defaults to Mandated Associations almost always carried out by that same state
The consistent demand by most people that one MUST associate with The State prohibits them from supporting Freedom of Association.
Bla bla bla.
First requirement for freedom is equality. Not anything libertarians are interested in. Only the appearance of.
America was founded as a Racist Patriarchy. It remains a Racist Patriarchy. However, global banks and corporations have assumed the roles filled by the founding white landowners. But America's new ruling class is far more stupid and bloodthirsty.
keep in mind most if not all of our rights support racism
Freedomf of (racist) Speech or (racist) Press
Freedom of (racist) Association ?
Nice troll dude.
Nice insult from someone who has nothing to say but massage his brain/mind to feel good
Nice troll dude.
Nice answer for "I don;'t klonow what to say"
It’s such a shame that white people hate themselves this much!! And some of us who don’t makes them very nervous. They could commit suicide if they want, but don’t drag us in it.
".........on a presidential race whose outcome will have no effect on the murderousness and tyranny of the imperial war"
Now this line from Caitlin carries the real message for the November circus election in the good old USA.
And yet we see meetings to show the support of the poor naive pubic for both the feeble Biden and the narcisistic Trump, full of people who think that their candidate has merit.
Don't be disturbed, as it is the same with most of the white colonisers throughout the world including Australia, Canada, the UK (as we have seen) Germany and France with all parties seeming supporting the USA as their hegemonic leader and master of ceremonies, one party in each country the same as the next, all willing to throw in their lot with the USA.
So what's new?
We will all know when the first nuclear weapon flies through the air as an error from some tame NATO state (on-purpose error of course.....a proxy) or when Biden or Trump have another mental collapse or another dose of a convenient "cold" . Forgiven by all, of course as an unfortunate error, by then too late to call back the wildly enthusiastic NATO neo-Nazis armed to the teeth by the White House resident.
Action time for then for the 800 US military establishments throughout the world
The America we (Americans) celebrate is an illusion. It does not exist. Our government and judiciary, wholly owned subsidiaries of the corporate state, have no real sovereignty. Capitalism, as Karl Marx understood, when it finally dominates government, is a revolutionary force. And this revolutionary force is plunging us (the US and the world) into a state of neo-feudalism, perpetual war, ecological disaster, and a dystopian nightmare.
Chang, I was waiting a long time here on Caitlin's Newsletter for someone to mention Karl Marx in the context of the US. Capitalism was a revolutionary force as opposed to feudalism. However its inherent exploitative qualities will lead the oppressed to rise up assisted by the intelligentsia against the bourgeoisie and the ruling class. That is the wonderful theory, the practice of which a few countries have tried to achieve.
".... neo-feudalism, perpetual war, ecological disaster, and a dystopian nightmare" and I might add fascism, are already here. Are the Americans ready, willing and able to organise and rise up is the question. All we can see is an apathetic mass, conditioned and brainwashed arguing about who to vote for; confronted with the dilemma of choosing between two evils, whether to choose the 'lesser evil', forgetting the lesser evil is still evil.
>>"However its inherent exploitative qualities will lead the oppressed to rise up assisted by the intelligentsia against the bourgeoisie and the ruling class."
I don't really see that happening - anywhere. The Capitalism of today is quite grotesquely different from the days of Adam Smith and Karl Marx. It has progressed to an unhinged and super-destructive level that few people realize. (Many people can see the flaws in Capitalism, but few understand its effects in totality - it takes an understanding of systems science - or cybernetics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics) to even begin to grasp the consequences of the systems we have in place today).
In terms of fascism, I don't think we (the US) has really ever been freed of it since the "Classic Fascism" of the 1st half of the 20th Century. Fascism has a remarkable ability to morph and present itself in various forms/guises, and "the overt brutality, overnight coups, marching storm troopers, militant takeover by charismatic strongmen, angry totalitarian states, etc." is but one form. Another form of fascism is the "Capitalism" we have today permeating many parts of the world (especially the West). Still another related form of fascism is the "dictatorial systems of Corporations" and their influence on all aspects of people's lives.
I recommend referring to the following book: "Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America" by Bertram Gross (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29448940-friendly-fascism) for more details on the dynamics of a "different form of Fascism" that is VERY PREVALENT in America today. (I'll be writing a post on my substack shortly regarding this incarnation/phenomenon of "Friendly Fascism" (as Bertram Gross saw it)).
For more info on systems science and cybernetics, I recommend looking up Jacque Fresco (of Venus Project fame), R. Buckminster Fuller, Stafford Beer, and Peter Joseph (of Zeitgeist fame).
STATE-MANDATED (LAW-MANDATED) "liberalism" is LEFT-WING FASCISM
Liberals DO NOT go around MANDATING people's lives
"Capitalism, as Karl Marx understood, when it finally dominates government"
You mean STATE "government"
Capitalism supports capital in the hands of PRIVATE ENTITIES
NOT THE STATE
Your statement is so close to contradictory
Uh...you want fries with that?
Capitalism supports capital in PRIVATE HANDS
NOT the hands of STATE GOVERNMENT !!!!!!
What you describe opposes the definition in most places
Capitalism without controls will always end up as an oligarchy or monopoly
and market monopolies DO EXISTS in small towns
1 gas station
1 store
etc
Or do you demand a certain size society !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
without a state with capital ?
That stet is likely not to exists
dubious
"The main arguments for supporting Democrats these days all revolve around pretending really really hard that the capitalist warmongering ecocidal tyranny of mainstream liberalism is significantly different from the capitalist warmongering ecocidal tyranny of Trumpism."
If you think there is not a qualitative difference between Trump & Project 2025 (under total immunity just created by the Supreme Court) versus the corporate DNC liberalism of a Democratic Administration you are either not in reality or completely ignorant.
Trump/P25 openly advocates for a White Christian Nationalist government and explicit proto-Nazi policies of "blood and soil". You need to wake the fuck up.
There is nothing wrong with blood and soil. Your head is filled with propaganda. Maybe you don’t want to stick up for yourself because you’re a white man, but there are plenty of white people who would like to protect themselves and feel that we have a right to.
I wonder if you blow your horn this hard on Caitlin's forum only. You never provided any links for the anti-Something Horrible 2025™ movement. Where it matters and you'd figure out prominently (it wouldn't be your blog). Are you anywhere there? Do they exist? What are they doing?
I'm sure you could recruit a few shitlibs from this forum to join your cause. Give us links!!
Am I wrong that you/Caitland cannot find a link to Project 2025 on your own?
You're wrong in not realizing how deranged and stupid you are. At least your question makes it easy for others to see 😉
The best group, podcast and website, which I've provided links to here before, is Refuse Fascism Excellent academic and activists interviewed:
https://refusefascism.org
Also, writings of Paul Street and others at CounterPunch:
https://www.counterpunch.org
Reading is good for you!
I do read. Just not the crap you're into.
Still, where are the active groups/organizations doing something to prevent Something Horrible 2025™? How are you engaged there, where it matters? Joe Biden is one leader engaged in the fight, why wouldn't you support him?
I've written here and many other places - from NY Times comments to Consortium News to ScheerPost to Chris Hedges' substack - why Biden is a corporate warmongering demented genocider. Those are the places "where it matters" as they are the activists, not the Democratic Party deniers.
Refuse Fascism is an activist group. Code Pink too. Veterans for Peace. They are doing something
LOL! Just took a peak at "refusefascism". What a deranged bunch! First, they hit me for donations. Second, they behave as if fascism hasn't already been in the US and many other places for a long, long time.
And thirdly, why did I waste my time confirming you're dumb, billy? Why do I need more proof? I think because I just can't believe it observing your efforts here. 😳
PS: And no, those places are not where it matters. Bloviating deranged stuff is not the fight, billy.
and you repeat the juvenile ad hominem name calling, with NO engagement with substance.
Did you even look at their academic interviews? Or their suggested readings and curriculum? No, because you are lazy and ignorant.
It's "peek", btw. (and I thought your juvenile insult was "billie", not "billy").
And I guess you missed this:
"The Democratic Party will not stop this nightmare. Trump, fascist Fox News, and the Republi-fascist Party have branded them as enemies and “traitors.” Yet, the Democratic Party will consistently pull to try to work with, conciliate with and collaborate with them. There can be no reconciliation with fascism except on the terms of the fascists. Fascism must be resolutely opposed."
Trump has also said that he does not support the 2025 project.
Fuck!
maybe project 2025 will wake some people up, but then again, if it includes some tax-cuts ...
The tax cuts will be for the rich and corporations (like Trump reducing the corporate tax rates to 21% - inspite of this, Corporations still utilize multiple shell companies, on-shore and off-shore tax havens, scam charities, and hundreds of other loop holes).
When tax cuts go to the rich and corporations (like during Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, Trump, etc.), the effective tax burden increases on everyone else.
Will Project 2025 wake people up? They're already being fucked every which way and still succumb to the false narratives of the Capitalists and Empire Managers. A real live-streamed Genocide certainly doesn't seem to wake up most people. Will Project 2025 wake people up? I'm doubtful... maybe it'll happen or maybe it'll get worse...
Define democracy.
Because what occus today has nil to do with Athenian democracy.
Athenian democracy was ruled by men, supported by slave labor,and where women were without meaningful social/political/legal rights. The anti-bellum south adopted exactly this model. See, Black Reconstruction, WEB Dubois. Don't measure our democracy using the Athenian model.
I think not only what Caitlin said, but even more, it's the narrative. Anything that interferers with the narrative must be silenced, ignored, or undermined. Anything that promotes it must be amplified and extended. The underlying racism happens to work to their benefit, but if it didn't they'd find something else. I am becoming more and more convinced, that however much there is a convergence between profits and Prophets, the profit side might be rational, but on the Prophets-side, we are dealing with two homicidal/suicidal cults, one the religious fanatic Christian side, and the other from the religious Messaniac Jewish side. Both of them seek total annihilation as their objective, does not bode well. What's a few spare million or so deaths to get there?
The methods that might work to contain one of these three heads, may not work for the others. If what I am begining to believe is true, we desperately need some new thinking and techniques to deal with this dreadful convergence. Our lives, all of us, may depend on figuring out what that is.
BRICS will happen and 'weather' will happen.......these 2 are all I can come up with other than Civil War in the States.
No thanks to demoncrazy democRats and quisling rinoRats alike.
Restoring the rightfully elected President of 2020 to the WH is the MAGA Campaign of 2024, which I support. If We want a functioning society. I'm also prepared for a non-functioning society if the democRat Bolsheviks prevail in their next sElection coup.
This USSA is a Bolshevik Coupist Regime, and is part of or leading the NWO Reset Regime. A distinction without a difference.
Who/Whom will prevail is The Question in the crosshairs of Nov 24/ Jan 25 especially if 2025 becomes 1775. a good listen, hopefully ....... even for a repeat listen ....
https://rumble.com/v4vxpwh-the-deep-state-marauder-ft.-ivan-raiklin.html
As Biden said in his interview with George Stephanopoulous, he's running the world and taking on Putin, and his only problem is his brain. So, seriously, what's there to worry about?
Diane E,
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