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George Cornell's avatar

I read this just after reading Prof Eliot Cohen of Johns Hopkins in WaPo extol the virtues of carpet bombing. Of the Russians of course. The comment section up to its nostrils in Langley lackeys applaud deliriously.

A left wing fraud paper from a country at war in 222 of its 239 years advises on the propriety of illegal bombing. What next? Herod on babysitting? Ghislaine Maxwell on mall runaways? Jeff Epstein’s ghost and Alan Dershowitz on lowering the age of sexual consent? Sam Bankman-Fraud on altruism?

Ah yes the new 4-H Club. Hypocrisy, Humbuggery, Horseshxt, and Hubris?

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Feral Finster's avatar

The West sees Russia's unwillingness to escalate or to respond to provocation after provocation, red line after red line ignored not as reasonableness or humanitarianism, but as contemptible weakness.

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unwarranted's avatar

I don’t think that reflects the reality. It’s a nuanced game of chicken. The U.S. knew that with the incremental encroachment east of NATO, in violation of its promise, and further, with the 2014 coup, the sustained bombing by Ukraine’s thug regime of the Donbas, and the buildup of arms from that time to the Russian military response, and to the present, Russia couldn’t fail to react.

The U.S. then made a show of “Russian aggression” and promised to support the Ukraine in defending itself, making it very clear that Ukraine would be admitted to NATO if it were not engaged in a war! So that is a message to Putin that Russia needs to be in its fight with Ukraine long enough to render it incapable of mounting a threat, even after the war is over. Biden also stressed that the U.S. and NATO members would sanction Russia and send arms to Ukraine, but would not officially put military personnel in Ukraine.

So Putin has countered the American disingenuousness by spelling out his resolve to do what he must to defend Russia, and he has reminded the West that its insincere posturing is a dangerous gambit.

I think it is wrong to see Putin as passive or unnecessarily restrained. He wants regional peace and mutual respect with his European neighbors. He has made it abundantly clear to the global population that Russia will never become a tool of Western imperialism, but will do what is required to normalize Russia’s standing regionally.

Putin has hinted that he doesn’t think that the clause in the NATO charter which compels each member nation to engage militarily when any member is so engaged, will be honored. America has set a standard for saying one thing and doing another, and, with regard to a nuclear armed Russia that sees Western aggression as an existential threat, Russia has proven that its motives are completely defensive. Hopefully he is correct in his prediction that Russia’s conflict with Ukraine will mark the end of NATO.

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Longtrail's avatar

NATO is a dead man walking.

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Mike Hampton's avatar

You mean a dead woman walking i.e. Victoria Fucking Nuland.

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Mike Hampton's avatar

Spammer.

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Feral Finster's avatar

That the West continues to double down while Russia tries to avoid escalation says otherwise.

The argument now in the West is that they just need more intervention, more weapons, more cash, more training, more support for the Glorious Ukrainian Spring Offensive. The fact that the West has already engaged in a propaganda campaign not seen since Goebbels was alive and foaming at the mouth simply further paints the West into a corner where they can't be seen to back down now, because Literal Hitler!

This abuse of the Sunk Cost Fallacy is entirely intentional.

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unwarranted's avatar

The Russians learned long ago that American verbiage is directed first at its own people. Putin knows that the chicken hawks are at the helm, and they do not pass the smell test. The strategy of forever war is the long con and the taxpayer is the mark. This is why Zelensky has shut up. He initially bought into the idea that this was real, and then found out that bringing his country into NATO will never happen because Russia will not abide NATO on its long border. And now he realizes that his country is the pawn, and is probably looking for where he can comfortably land.

None of this means that the neocons are finished trying to bleed Russia. As long as there is relative quiet at home, more and more millions will continue to pour into the MIC, aka Ukraine.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Zelenskii is still yapping away, and the MIC continues to double down. When they run out of Ukrainians, NATO will move on to Poles, Czechs, etc..

For that matter, Russia already has NATO on its border in the form of Finland.

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The game is about numbers and Ukraine will lose. Russia will kill as many Ukrainians as they can, fighting age men will flee and they will need to enlist old men and women just to keep going. Z’s escape or death will be the signal for the end and Russia’s victory. But that’s just what I think. What might change that outcome is a peace agreement by the EU without US approval.

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Yeah Finland is feeling the rightward lean that seems to have gripped every developed province not called Quebec. I wouldn’t be surprised if a Finnish general thought to call his counterpart in Moscow just to say “we aren’t fighting you no matter what happens.” Finland and Sweden may have gotten offers too good to refuse.

With regard to the personnel on the ground, Ukraine is already unable to get real soldiers into all of the billets. Mercenaries can name their price, and that is going up every day. This status quo is ugly and fraught with high risk, and the neocons are taking big bucks from armchair oligarchs, so the posturing will continue, and Putin has to be vigilant.

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Jeano's avatar

I think it’s because Zelensky and his pals need another villa on the Mediterranean. And remember—Zelensky has the laptop facts. Hahaha hohohoheeheehee. So more bucks to the fucks.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I suspect that Zelenskii does have at least some compromising material on Halfwit Joe.

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Jeano's avatar

Ya. I’ve suspected that Hunter played a major role in our attack on Ukraine, but can’t quite square the circle. Just like I know perfectly well Killary the Hut put Assange in jail for having the temerity to report on her fetid, corrupt no-soul, and is keeping him there, but I can’t find much evidence.

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Jeano's avatar

Feral, a good description of Russian foreign policy but I don’t think the West sees iweakness. I think they KNOW its strength and are peeing their pants about it. Otherwise they would have arrogantly let Ukraine into NATO and would have bombed Syria “back to the Stone Age” a long time ago. They found out what they are up against years ago and that’s why they are now resorting to the Worms (formerly known as the jackals) to plant bombs inside Russia and run, on bridges that civilians use, blow up pipelines and not take credit. That’s why they sent Vicious Vicky, our porky Zionist, to Niger to cause trouble, hoping to scare off the support Niger has and bring Russia into it. Ya know, poke the Bear, poke the Bear. I think it would be funny if they poked the Dragon. I’m guessing they already have but that China is capable of uniting the 3 junta states with Iran and Saudi Arabia which would make sphincters all over Washington slam shut. Imagine what Blinken would look like then!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Yesterday I saw "peace feelers" from the West in that Russia could keep what it already has won, but Ukraine would be allowed to join NATO.

Fact is, when the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, the West didn't dare do jack all about it.

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Jeano's avatar

I’ll bet they’re peace feeling! All over the place. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot, have lost the war but have to put up a good CYA before the election. I seriously doubt Russia would believe ANY of our treaty offers or peace feelers. Tho they might do a look at me look at me while China fixes West Africa. Niger is the main reason we now have to get out of Ukraine. It has soooo much mineral wealth that it could shut down the Macron regime and certainly our computer industries if it refused to let us steal from them anymore. Another shot in our foot.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Such a settlement would not be hard for NATO to call a "win".

Russia drastically miscalculated by not using enough force in the beginning to wipe out the Ukrainian state.

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Jeano's avatar

I don’t agree but then, we don’t have to. It’s Russia that has to make the determination of what is working for them, not us. But I know it’s not working for the US, nor for NATO and that means good things!!!! I’m especially impressed that Russia could take down these two malignant world orders with only a partial war tho. And yes, no matter what happens, the corporate media will portray it as a win. It has to. Btw—I just dumped Sy Herch for throwing the obligatory “Russia started it” into his so-called analysis of current Ukraine events. That’s another thing Putin did—reveal the media’s dirty underpants. 🤢🤮

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russian_bot's avatar

The West has always behaved as underworld does, to a T.

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Andrew Thomas's avatar

Yes, it has. John Foster Dulles. Dean Rusk. I mention them because they came immediately to mind, were secretaries of state from 60 to 70 years ago, and were appalling examples of exactly what Blinkin is. Except with far more gravitas, phony though it was.

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Andrew Thomas's avatar

The above is a reply to Russian bot. Otherwise, it makes no sense.🤪

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Feral Finster's avatar

Let's be fair. If Russia suddenly got the One Ring Of Power, they'd quickly be as corrupted as the West, lest they lose that new-found power to others more ruthless.

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russian_bot's avatar

Of course, but that's provided it wanted that sort of power. Throughout history it gave up land to its "friends" like the USA.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Give Russia the opportunity and sure enough, the sociopaths will pop up like mushrooms after a spring rain.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

In an episode of The Powerpuff Girls the Bad Guy gets the ring of power. He surprises everyone by fiating world peace and love! That was his mission all along. Then one day he gets bored with peace and everything goes back to how it was.

Sometimes I think this war stuff is about a need for drama. Just look at the most popular entertainment.

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Mike Hampton's avatar

They deliriously see it as an excuse for opportunity.

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Pat's avatar

If that rag is left wing,guess i am not fitting in in general.

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George Cornell's avatar

Left of Genghis and Attila, on a good day. But at least they weren’t sanctimonious.

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GenEarly's avatar

WaPo is CiA Deep Statist owned by NWO democRat Billionaire Bezos.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

The Washington Post is NOT a "left wing" paper. It is a thoroughly right-wing rag that supports U.S. imperialism and the ruling class. Obviously you do not know what "left wing" actually means. It means opposed to the status quo and the government. It means opposed to war for plunder and profit. The WaPo supports war and plunder and the U.S. empire. It's owned by one of the most notorious oligarchs in the world.

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George Cornell's avatar

Carolyn, I did say fraud.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

You're thinking of the _old_ definition of "Left" as the side or party of peace, freedom, equality, and autonomy, whereas the Right was the side or party of power, authority, social status, private wealth, and the military virtues. Part of the work of our elites has been to muddy language so as to enhance their control of everyone else.

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George Cornell's avatar

I did say “left wing fraud”. Was that not explicit enough?

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russian_bot's avatar

Indeed, for the left wing nuts as soon as they see something they don't consider left they go berserk. Term envy they are.

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russian_bot's avatar

Coming out is the first step to healing they say. Good job.

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George Cornell's avatar

But I didn’t say there was.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Blinken is a hypocrite. He is doubltless fully aware of this. He also exhibits behavior indistinguishable from that of a sociopath, but I am not sure he knows it. In this, Blinken is the same as every other US Secretary of State or politician presently occupying high office.

The questions is - what do you propose to do about it? I say this because pointing out Blinken's hypocrisy is fruitless. He knows he is a hypocrite and doesn't care. He cares about consequences.

Moral arguments are wasted on sociopaths. You can tell an armed robber "Thou Shalt Not Steal!" and guess what, they'll laugh in your face and go right on with their robbery, delighted by your impotence. Force is the only language that they understand, although they understand it quite well. A gun held to the robber's head and the knowledge that you will pull the trigger without hesitation elicits a somewhat different response. At that point, your tough guy armed robber will turn into a sniveling cuck, just as long as your guard is up.

n.b. "A Good Man In Hard To Find" by Flannery O'Connor.

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GenEarly's avatar

to demonstrate the Uni-Buzzard Party CiA Sec of State Pompeo is now attacking President Trump and opposed Trump's Planned withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Atty Gen Bill Barr covered up Epistein's departure, sElection steal, DoIn-J / FIB complicity in Hilarity Rotten Clintoon -JoBama $$$ Harvesting/ Domestic War Mongering.

the Deep State is DEEP & Broad as well, Comrades.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

sociopath: anyone that doesn't reify liberal middle class thinking

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Jeano's avatar

😁. I kinda have to agree with you Stinky. The citizens of white settler nations have a very hard time of it when their elected leaders participate in the same kind of behaviors as their “forefathers” did when building the nice white settler nation they now live in. But I would take out “liberal”—from shit lib to neo con, the white middle class supports corporate power backed by the military. Alway has always will. THAT’S sociopathic.

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bill wolfe's avatar

"Lady," he asked, "would you and that little girl like to step off yonder with Bobby Lee and Hiram and join your husband?"

"Yes, thank you," the mother said faintly."

https://xroads.virginia.edu/~DRBR/goodman.html

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jamenta's avatar

The problem with the West is it is always looking at a neurosis as if it can be "fixed". A neurosis is rarely fixed - it just continues until its inevitable endpoint. Very little can be done about it until then.

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LaMaisonGelat's avatar

And it's 'fuck the EU' coming up in second place... Blinken leading by a nose.... How the race ends, nobody knows....

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George Cornell's avatar

Vicki the “war witch” is someone to keep in front of you.

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GenEarly's avatar

"Aim small, Miss small." these NWO mother WEFers must be Defeated here in the USSA.

All the best.

genearly.substack.com

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Jeano's avatar

Or in a cage.

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Longtrail's avatar

Blinky is a Zio-Nazi Piece of Excrement.

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Letsrock's avatar

As are Garland and Mayorkas and all the rest of them.

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Longtrail's avatar

Thanks for tipping me off on Mayorkas.

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Kojo's avatar

Yeah but you need to understand they are not outsiders. They are in charge in Langley. State Dept is their cover jobs.

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Longtrail's avatar

I'm aware.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Oh let's not stop there! But guess what? Ran outta paper!

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Longtrail's avatar

😂

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I followed your links to the "Xweets"? of this warmongering piece of shit on "X" and I am surprised at the number of people who are fully aware of this criminals lies as out of 80 comments on one post there were literally no good ones for him! Same with the other there are no longer people buying the lies. This is great but the problem still remains "How to shovel shit out of the barn"?

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jamenta's avatar

Unless there is a general uprising like in France (which is not even doing to well against the cretin Macron) - the shit in the barn is going to remain and fester, at least until the next circus US election takes place for POTUS. Then new shit will be introduced. And the cycle will continue - until the barn itself catches fire - and who knows when that will happen.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Unfortunately that barn burner is the day I am trying to prepare for!

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bill wolfe's avatar

Fester? I think you meant compost! Hahahahaha!

It will be field applied to improve soil structure!

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Hugh Mercer's avatar

The lies are axiomatic for anyone living outside of the Spectacle.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

A fellow Guy DeBord fan.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Sorry Caitlin, I find Blinken such a repulsive subject for discussion I can't read this piece. As far as I am concerned Blinken, Nuland and Sullivan are psychopathic war criminals showing total disregard for the human and social costs and consequences of their actions and policies, not only for their country but the world community.

The tragedy is that there is no way of holding them accountable, and they never will be held accountable as so many others before them have walked away to cushy retirements.

Needless to say too much of the pure evil now happening is a failure of accountability and the omnipresence of the neoliberal ideology which destroys democracy in favor of corporate wars for corporate profits.

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Jeano's avatar

Ya. These guys are the new incarnation of Teddy, the Pork Chop Hill preisidink. White middle class Americans love this shit. It’s what underpins their existence.

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Feral Finster's avatar

"He was in a skirmish once at San Juan Hill, and he got so much moonshine glory out of it that he has never been able to stop talking about it since. I remember that at a small luncheon party of men at Brander Matthews's house, once, he dragged San Juan Hill in three or four times, in spite of all attempts of the judicious to abolish the subject and introduce an interesting one in its place. I think the President is clearly insane in several ways, and insanest upon war and its supreme glories. I think he longs for a big war wherein he can spectacularly perform as chief general and chief admiral, and go down to history as the only monarch of modern times that has served both offices at the same time."

- Autobiographical dictation 18 October 1907. Published in Autobiography of Mark Twain, Vol. 3 (University of California Press, 2015)

Some more delightful quotes to be had here:

http://www.twainquotes.com/Roosevelt.html

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Jeano's avatar

O god! Utterly brilliant. And America loved him! The pipsqueak. There are so many presidinks we’ve had that the same observations could be made about. Thanks for passing this on. Love me some Twain.

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Jeano's avatar

By him I meant Teddy. They loved Twain too not as many.

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Longtrail's avatar

Illiterates!😂

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russian_bot's avatar

The book to read on "Theodore Roosevelt, Mark Twain, and the Birth of American Empire"

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250159687/thetrueflag

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Patrick Powers's avatar

He got cured of that when some of of his sons (three?) died in The Great War. He was never the same. That and almost dying on an Amazon expedition with Kermit.

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Kojo's avatar

It’s not surprising nor hypocrisy if you understand the situation.

Already b by the time of Clinton, the “Secretary of State” was a figurehead, actual careeer diplomats were being sidelined, and three letter agency colonels like Power, Nuland, etc were actually running that place.

By NOW the situation is that there are no more diplomats there. And the titular head of dept is not only a three letter agency officer on outplacement, but his family background suggests that he’s 2nd generation in that line of work. In other words he couldn’t possibly be more indoctrinated - this has been imprinted into him from birth!

In the meantime, the other three letter agency folk like Nuland have risen in rank at Sate dept, so are also probably now senior leadership in the spook agencies.

Spook agencies specialise in lies and disinformation.

So Mr Blinken isn’t being hypocritical or incompetent - he’s just doing his job.

But clearly the vast majority of people do not understand what his job actually is and what kind of work he is in.

Why? Because every one has swallowed the propaganda about the U.S. being a democracy. It’s not. The deep state is running that place on behalf of their super rich.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

"Fuck the EU" is now official policy. Might as well get it out in the open.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

"And you imprisoning Khan." Blinken continued, "that was SO cool."

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GenEarly's avatar

and "We democ-rino Rats trying to imprison Trump is So cool" Even if you dislikeTrump he is Currently the Only Viable candidate for president in 2024...... so please just keep Attacking him as Making Americans First is "soooo subversive" and Enabling the Unfolding Reckoning.

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Furthermore, I have devised a strategy for voting in presidential primaries in closed primary states and urge folks to follow my plan on every thread I can.

Presidential Primary Strategy:

In 2024 the R Primary is in April and the D Primary is in August.

1. Register R and vote Trump in the R Primary in April.

2. Immediately afterwards change your Registration to D.

3. Vote for Bobby Kennedy Jr in the D Primary in August.

Note: This gives you two shots at eliminating the corrupt warmonger FJB and his Zio-Nazi Cabinet. Both Trump and Kennedy are against the war against Russia in Ukraine and prefer diplomacy.

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Longtrail's avatar

Don't forget Kennedy. He might take down FJB in the dem primary.

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GenEarly's avatar

democRat Party is run by Bolsheviks, even "pretend" opposition like Bernie is eliminated by the PTB, Billionaire NWO Deep Statist Bolsheviks. Bernie did get to be a Multi-millionaire with 3 houses from his "political" Job, LOL so much for his ProgreSSive Socialism!!!

Can RFK,Jr. WIN the democRat's rigged primaries??? I sure hope so.

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"But that’s just what the US empire is at this point in history: a giant, planet-sprawling bully with a severe personality disorder. The US empire has all the personality characteristics of a malignant narcissist — it sees people as resources to exploit instead of as humans to relate to, it communicates to manipulate and control rather than to connect and understand, and anyone who doesn’t center its desires as a priority above all else becomes its enemy."

This. Do you think we could do an intervention and get the US empire into therapy? Personality disorders such as malignant narcissism are treatable with the appropriate counseling and medications. We need to get the BRICS nations to come together as our friends and family and guide us towards help before it's too late.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

The essential ingredient is that the individual wants to change, preferably for the better.

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Charles A Gillard's avatar

Albright questioned why we couldn't use all our fancy weapons to get our way. Basically calling on the military to do her job for her.

So being neutral is violently aggressive and promoting and provoking wars is being peacefully passive. That must be why the US is such a passive nation.

Full spectrum dominance is not democratic just like defending the 10% religious control of Vietnam was not protecting freedom.

Except that in any war each side is trying to protect their freedom to win control over the other.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Oh some wars there really is an innocent victim nation or group defending itself.

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Charles A Gillard's avatar

Yes and sometimes they move beyond defense to wreak revenge and conquer. Sometime they may provoke something in order to defend and attack and have permanent bases in a region they want to dominate too. Sometimes they coerce economic sanctions and retaliate if other countries don't join. Since Germany and France didn't buy the Iraq war they had changes of govt then have become more compliant. Now A and Z face being cut off from western world and have to remain faithful to western religious culture wars. Meanwhile occupied Japan and South Korea have join in since the bases already make them targets.

Deflating the world military protection racket would limit the permanent wars for the sake of humanity and its uncivil civilization.

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Dr.Who's avatar

This empire, like those before it, will crumble from within. The process commenced when the first crack appeared on that Sept day...

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James R SEVIER's avatar

Prisoner's dilemma demands escalation. The managers of Empire, naked for all to see clearly.

Enemies of the people, whose only care is for their masters and themselves.

New System required. Before the scoops.

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Pat's avatar

Pos from day one

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todd smith's avatar

Great article and no doubt about it: Something's rotten in the state of Denmark, which is still a funny phrase from Bill Shakespeare. Pakistan was a "player" in the 9/11 fiasco, but quickly got a "Pass" when they played along with the Beltway game, seeing what Cards were "up," and seeing the Cards in their own hands...

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