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karl pomeroy's avatar

One of the most shocking things about this electronic terrorist tactic is the comment section on The Gateway Pundit. Vast majority there are cheering and making jokes about the injured and dying. Not just this, no one seems to recognized the potential danger to all humanity if the Western allied intelligence agencies MI6, Mossad and the CIA, can start sabotaging our devices anytime, anywhere, to suit their vicious purposes. Stay careful.

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Sam's avatar

I saw that in most of the replies to tweets about the terrorist attacks in Lebanon. Because their governments have declared them terrorists they don’t think human rights belong to them. But yeah, just imagine if it happened in America…

I just don’t get how people can be so ghoulish.

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Levi Tate's avatar

People should post this video wherever they go on the internet!

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1836986916291408003

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

You've never heard of "domestic terrorists" ??? ... Haven't you ??? ...

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wilson's avatar

Some people are stupid and ugly minded. They can't think through consequences.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Doesn't surprise me a bit. The same people who were pointing out America's many manifest crimes will chant "U-S-A" like so many trained parrots.

Humans are easily manipulated.

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gypsy33's avatar

Feral, it’s still not too late to declare your candidacy. My Jodi has volunteered to be your veep (she takes no shit from any living creature) and Peaches Bob, my part-bobcat, will be your campaign manager. He is VERY persuasive, believe me. Perhaps the Humane Society will finance us.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I wouldn't want the job in a game that is rigged.

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gypsy33's avatar

We’ll change it, Feral. I’m assuming you’re not declawed 😉

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Feral Finster's avatar

I'd be dead if I were.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Airlines are already scavenging luggage for this kind of gadget ...

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Suze Wins's avatar

SHAME ON THEM!!!

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John Turcot's avatar

Karl...

"Vast majority there are cheering and making jokes about the injured and dying." I looked

but did not find ..... Any links to that statement ??

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karl pomeroy's avatar

Scroll back a couple pages in Gateway Pundit to articles on the pager explosions from Sep 17 or 18 and look at the comment sections. (The statement was mine, just describing the attitude of the commenters.)

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Selina Sweet's avatar

I found and listened to as much of an interview of Blinken today as I could bare before turning his defensiveness off. I encourage especially Americans to listen directly to this man’s rhetoric. I listened to him after I listened to an excellent panel discussion featuring Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer plus others, and then interviews of a retired US general and a retired US colonel. One striking commonality among this particular collection was the unanimity of the appalling fact that US Secretary of State Blinken refuses to talk with his enemies. Who talks to Putin? China? Our military! Blinken is so distinguished by his utter lack of being even remotely distinguished- neither by intellect, substance, depth, authenticity nor moral compass. I sure would like to know how he remains in a job for which he has absolutely no credible endowment. He’s just short of being an embarrassment. That said, in a country filled with gifted people, that he - clearly mediocre at best, is and continues to act as Secretary of State perplexes. How is he ‘connected’?

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

It is not perplexing, Selina Sweet. The only qualification the Secretary of State and officials of the empire need is the ability to lie with a cold, cruel heart.

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TS's avatar

He was on the National Security Council under Bush Jr., cheerleading the Iraq war, worked toward dismantling Iraq into 3 regions (something Israel really wanted). He was staff director of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of which Biden was chair, until 2008, and was Biden's national security adviser when he was Obama's VP. He supported the destruction of Libya and the murder of Gaddafi. Obama made him Deputy Sec of State. During Trump's administration he worked in a think tank.

So, I would say, he's hooked up the whazoo, and that's how he got the job.

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Kojo's avatar

1) Nepotism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_M._Blinken

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-tony-blinken-conveniently-left-out-his-family’s-story-174288

and 2) service to a foreign power

Let's just say that when Mr Blinken is so obsessed about "foreign interference" it's because he is the embodiment of it in DC. Perhaps this is an issue of foreign competition to puppet the US, not to defend it

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Oh good glory! Thank you for this bit of information of generational family influence. No different than that of England’s “nobility”.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Maybe, and surely those are important, but, as I replied directly to the comment, consider the Robert Maxwell connection. Perhaps it too is part of why.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Exactly. Be the most evil destructive piece of shit Zionist Nazi you can be and you become their hero and be certain for all future wars they will drag your carcass out to promote them!

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Thank you for his bio! Most helpful. Still distressing that someone with his patronizing attitude and approach mounts into a critical position that jeopardizes the well being of the USA and the world.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

The only qualification that matters is 100% loyalty and obedience to the oligarchy. Well, there's an exception for severe dementia.

This is why oligarchies tend to lose wars. Mediocrity and incompetence are rife.

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

AIPAC?

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wilson's avatar

AIPAC.

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wilson's avatar

He's a jew. Just like nuland, mayorkas and many more. Their first and only loyalty is to Israel.

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An Epistemology of Nescience's avatar

Which ignores the many, many "jews" (to use your term) who are not loyal to Israel. But you only see what serves your beliefs. Reminds me of something.

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Kojo's avatar

The main and present danger is the many in the beltway - and the cabinet - who are clearly double agents and are doing massive harm to the country. Like death and destruction harm. At the cost of trillions of dollars.

While you are basically making a complaint about claimed verbal offence, there is a fire burning and bomb ticking

While that is going on - killing hundreds of thousands of people and taking everyone to the brink of WW III, your point pales in comparison and relevance.

What it reminds me of the rash of claims of "anti-semitism" and "discomfort" on college campuses in the US....while Arabs are being mass murdered by the tens and hundreds of thousands. I see the pattern and repetition of red herring tactics

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An Epistemology of Nescience's avatar

You are committing the fallacy that, for want of a better term, I like to call 'Don't look at this glaringly obvious falsehood I'm guilty of, look at this much more important and pressing thing over here.' Your comment was a red herring, not mine.

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Kojo's avatar

Your claim, if it were true, it would pale in significance to the mortal danger actually killing people right now. Mortal danger that actually created, masterminded, by the people being pointed to.

Hope that's clearer for you.

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An Epistemology of Nescience's avatar

So instead of diagnosing the problem you scapegoat a category of people. It was very clear from your comment.

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Mark Taylor's avatar

It's that he is a Zionist, which is completely distinct from being a Jew.

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JennyStokes's avatar

So you don't have any Jewish friends Wilson? I do and they are sick of this treachery on behalf of ZIONISTS!

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I read that his father-in-law was Robert Maxwell’s lawyer. Might be totally irrelevant, but…? When you consider where that Maxwell connection leads to, …?

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CarbonCopy's avatar

He is Netanyahu's Lawyer!

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teddyG's avatar

Blinken is the anti diplomat...he is a criminal fraud.

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Kojo's avatar

2nd generation Mossad asset in USG. Does wonders for career prospects inside the beltway.

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Aleta W.'s avatar

Blinken is super bad. He is a political appointee who served in senior positions in several democratic administrations. That he became Biden’s Secretary of State is appalling. (I think he is the worst SecState in my lifetime and I am 69.). I began working at Department of State in 1985. Now retired, I served a good number of Secretaries; most of my state dept. retiree buddies agree he is a LOSER. How many times did Biden send CIA director Bill Burns to negotiate for USA on Gaza ceasefire? Answer = many. My friends, do any of you remember the cia director openly and publicly negotiating on a foreign policy matter on behalf of the USA. Because I don’t remember any.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Selina

The Blinkin’ Idiot isn’t short of being an embarrassment: he is TRULY an embarrassment.

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Marianna Chambless's avatar

Perhaps through long association with Biden. I agree totally with your assessment, I can't bare to listen to any of them - Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, and Kirby. Blinken, from the first days, sounded out of his element. Maybe his tortured expressions actually express his inner state. If so, he is a tortured soul, and he will not even be remembered with respect.

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Suze Wins's avatar

Yes, to how many important people is he connected?

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JennyStokes's avatar

Is he not the godfather of Netanyahus son?

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Jack Horner's avatar

Obedience?

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Susan T's avatar

It is horrifying how the "intelligence" is used to physically destroy. If I didn't know better, I would think that "intelligence" would be trying to find a way to resolve differences without killing people and/or destroying an entire country (after that country has been stolen).

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

CJ>>"...for the US government, “human rights” are only a weapon to be used for keeping other nations in line."

Exactly! Wake up people! Don't believe the lies and propaganda about human rights, freedom, democracy, etc. Question things critically (not oppositionally).

CJ>"In reality the western power structure centralized around the United States is the single most murderous and tyrannical force on earth by an extremely massive margin"

The United States of America is THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ORGANIZATION on planet earth. Does anyone here still doubt that? (BTW, Israel is a junior partner of the US - though it likes to pretend its the senior partner and flex its muscles).

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

"The terrorist organization calling itself The United States of America" and "the terrorist organization calling itself the State of Israel" should be standard forms of usage henceforth (and long overdue).

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes, and everytime anyone mentions Israel, they should say "America's proxy" or "rogue nation backed by America" (similar to how everytime a US spokesperson or MSM person talks about Yemen, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. they say Iran's proxy).

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Kodanshi's avatar

Ever since Israel started conducted its genocide against the Palestinians I’ve been referring to it as “ U.S-backed Israel”.

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Mark Taylor's avatar

That's backwards: The US is the proxy of Israel. Just keep in memory Netanyahu's tongue bath by Congress.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Nope - that's an illusion. That's what a U.S. Empire apologist would reason and say. Caitlin has addressed this multiple times. Israel is but a subset of the US Empire. Netanyahu's antics SERVE the interests of the US Empire Managers (not to be confused with the American people).

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Mark Taylor's avatar

I'll go with the obvious facts before our lying eyes.

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martin's avatar

well, we're in plato's cave.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

You need to understand what makes a "fact". Events have different interpretations. Calling "your interpretation" a fact does not qualify it as a "fact".

There's more to it - like the context, understanding geopolitics, US hegemony, the global financial system, etc.

Also, there are multiple ways of analyzing "data" (or evidence) to ascertain correlations, causations, motives, etc.

It is easy to let confirmation bias creep in to such analysis, not to mention unconsciously ignoring other evidence to the contrary due to survivor bias.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

👏 Good on you ,Chang!

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Gladwyn d'Souza's avatar

United States, a country, not America, a vast continent, most of who, like Cuba Columbia and Mexico, agree with you.

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Megan Baker's avatar

One correction: the U.S.’s proxy. Mexico is my second country and it is America too, as is everything from the Arctic Circle to Tierra del Fuego. It’s just like this fucking country to claim the term “America” for itself. Let’s not also engage in such narcissism.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes Megan, I know (and agree). I usually use US for US (as in my statement "The United States of America is THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ORGANIZATION on planet earth." or "US spokesperson") but sometimes I use America for US during sentence construction (especially when I have to use the word 'us', or US's <something> - it is easier to say America's <something>) and people still get the message. I don't think anyone confuses my use of "America" with the American continents.

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Aleta W.'s avatar

Yes!!!!

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TS's avatar

Israel may have edged us out for first place this year. Especially this week.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Not yet. The US started with the genocide of the American natives. Too many genocides perpetrated by the US - Vietnam, Cambodia, Libya, etc. not to mention dropping 2 nuclear bombs on civilians for no good reason other than to send a message to the world that the US is "the biggest terrorist organization on the planet".

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gypsy33's avatar

Chang:

I haven’t blocked RB, I simply ignore any crass remarks he retorts with. I suggest you do the same instead of wasting your precious time replying to him.

Until he gets a job and moves out of mom’s basement, he ‘ll be taking his venomous frustration out on normal people.

I agree with much that he posts, but he’ll never get a “like” from yours truly because he’s so obnoxious.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Until he gets a job and moves out of mom’s basement, he ‘ll be taking his venomous frustration out on normal people."

Well said gypsy!

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gypsy33's avatar

😉

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russian_bot's avatar

nice tight 69 gypsy chokaski like you like keep working it. normal people provide real support gypsy unlike you cheapos leeching off. you hobo too?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"...normal people..."

HaHaHa - you wouldn't know what "normal" was if your life depended on it.

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russian_bot's avatar

no shit chokaski no fucking shit. thank you for restating the obvious in terms this forum could understand. keep it up.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

For shitturds like you - even that isn't enough, Mr. I Elect Trumps™. Instead of making a positive contribution to the substack, all you do is insult, bully, and make misogynist remarks. Thank you for showing everyone here your true psychopathic personality!

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russian_bot's avatar

"Question things critically (not oppositionally)." 😳 - that's a gem chokaski, a proper and valuable direction for the forum, a mantra, a prayer. positive too. where would they be without it. lost. hopelessly.

i suggest selling t-shirts, with the braced part on the opposite side, whichever one is. then maybe you can chip in to support the forum in substance. that's right chokaski. easy. ask the caveman.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

It took you 4 hours to come up with that stupid retort? Wow - you need help (and not just psychological/therapeutical help). Good luck Mr. I Elect Trumps™ - looks like you're going to need it.

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russian_bot's avatar

nothing stupid about supporting your favorite writer chokaski and not just be a leeching freeloader. why won't you subscribe properly chokaski that's the question. your brainfarts won't buy bread chokaski. even you don't pay with them. try it next time in the local grocery. see where they send you.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

So, you think your buying insurance (paid subscriber to Caitlin) gives you a license to insult, bully, abuse, stalk, hurl mysogynist remarks and spread toxicity all over her substack? So you think by buying protection (paid subscriber) Caitlin will not notice how you've been driving away her subsrcibers (BOTH paid and free) from her substack by your sociopathic behavior and comments?

Every accusation by you is an admission. God, your behavior and psychology reminds me so much of Israeli Zionists (and Trump). You would fit in "perfectly" into Israeli society - especially with your attitude towards women.

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karl pomeroy's avatar

My like button doesn't work, Russian-bot, but I like your comment! :)

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"The western power structure centralized around the United States is the single most murderous and tyrannical force on earth by an extremely massive margin."

We have met the terrorists--and they is us. Or is that "U.S."?

Our worst sci-fi nightmare has come true. Our Western governments can and will blow us up whenever it deems necessary. Now are you ready for Revolution?

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Starry Gordon's avatar

That is the astonishing thing. We are open and defenseless before our manifest enemies, and no one seems to care, I guess because the propaganda and the money are so good. Watch and observe who gets elected a few weeks from now. We have been employed to cut our own throats and are lined up to get the job.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

I think in our society there's an element of deep despair, a feeling of being so overwhelmed that you're willing to give in to the powers-that-be in an attempt to forget how horrible and murderous they are. But we really don't have that pleasure of forgetting--we need to stay awake and fight back. We need to get two steps ahead of them. That's what Revolution will look like--it won't be a sudden violent uprising by the masses, but a continuous push-back against the evil imperialists by the 99% until the 1% is pushed off the cliff never to return again.

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An Epistemology of Nescience's avatar

A couple of years back I was forced for work reasons to listen to a conference about the current world situation (meaning, the only thing that is happening or has ever happened is the Ukraine situation). Someone who was identified as a leading French journalist waxed eloquent on Russian depravity and made free with the Nazi comparisons, because no country had ever invaded and occupied another since the invasion of Poland, it seems. This man's self-righteousness was only eclipsed by his wilful, state-mandated blindness to anything that did not serve NATO goals. One could also mention the "International Criminal Court" which awoke from its 20-year coma to discover that invasions are really bad and shouldn't be happening. The US regime is a serial killer screaming about copycats.

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Levi Tate's avatar

Knock, knock, reality check.

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Most people on this planet have the moral depth of Adolf Eichmann.

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What? You thought he was an exceptional case.

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And those buggers in Washington...if any one of them suddenly vanished

there would be a 1000 available to take their place in a heart beat.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Eichmann inspired the "banality of evil" thing. He was just an ordinary guy pursuing his self interest.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

One might wonder whether this terror attack, using commercial electronic equipment, might not cause some actual consternation among the large corporate manufacturers and sellers of such, and similar goods. This could well be the best recruitment for BDS ever. It could also make folks think twice about products manufactured in Western-allied nations. Maybe even give a boost to PRC products.

When someone has no limits placed on them, you never know when the next step will be your last.

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John Turcot's avatar

Joy,

"One might wonder whether this terror attack, using commercial electronic equipment, might not cause some actual consternation. " MMMmmmmm... I was thinking the same thing yesterday.... Might bring down sales in the cell phone industry.

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Stephen McMurray's avatar

After the genocide and now these murders, and considering Israel itself was founded on terrorism, for example the bombing of the King David Hotel by Irgun which was sanctioned by Israel's soon to be first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, in which 91 people died, we should call out Israel for what it is. Irrespective of how the mainstream media refer to this centre of depravity, the rest of us on platforms like this should refer to it as The Terrorist State of Israel.

It was founded by terrorists, is run by terrororsts and carries out terrorist attacks on a daily basis. If it talks like a terrorist and acts like a terrorist, it's a terrorist. Call this evil, genocidal regime for what it is - The Terrorist State of Israel.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I have always referred to them in this way. I sometimes add a lead in with the Zionist Nazi Terrorist State of Israel. But that's just me!

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YesXorNo's avatar

High-5, Caitlin.

Yes, its repetitive. But, so long as they keep giving us "newsworthy" examples of hipocrisy, we just keep calling it. The sanctimonious idiots they put in the pulpits of their media rooms, like "Admiral" Baghdad-Bob Kirby are a gift. How much does one need to be paid to stand up and be an object of ridicule to defend the indefensible? Someone from the media pack should ask Kirby one day.

"Hey, Admiral. How much do they pay you to lie to American citizens every day?"

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Feral Finster's avatar

They like their "press" credentials.

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Sam's avatar

Good gravy…

From the Tillerson link:

'Hook’s memo “tells Tillerson that we should do exactly what Russian and Chinese propaganda says we do—use human rights as a weapon to beat up our adversaries while letting ourselves and our allies off the hook,”

Guess it’s not propaganda anymore huh? It never was.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/19/tillerson-state-human-rights-304118

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Jack Horner's avatar

Yeah, that stood out like a sore thumb to me too... the propaganda was in calling it propaganda rather than analysis.

A Soviet and an Yank are flying on a plane to the US. They chat and the Yank asks the Russian's reason for visiting. "To study propaganda" comes the reply.

"Why would you come to the USA to learn about propaganda?", asks the astounded American.

"That's why."

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Where would our anger and sorrow go .... and gets bearable and spent if not for Caitlin & Tim. ❤️

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russian_bot's avatar

Here's to hoping one day they're not going to say something like "I'm pretty tired ... I think I'll go home now". And you'll be like: "Now what are we supposed to do?"

Classic: https://youtu.be/pKKmzmeU5-0

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Russian_bot, I did enjoy your clip. Very appropriate - but not for me. I came to Caitlin's newsletter not like some blind faith follower but because I shared the same world view and always looked out for others.

My philosophy happens to be " by looking after others; you look after yourself".

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russian_bot's avatar

If you switch that around it'll make a lot of sense too. Obviously with "not at the others' expense" clause. Think health, for example. Or financial independence. Etc. Think.

And thanks for really supporting the writer on whose blog you spend time. Unlike some leeches playing cop claiming to support the cause while cheapo.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

russian_bot, You got it! In fact the full quote happens to be -

" by looking after others; you look after yourself. By looking after yourself; you look after others".

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russian_bot's avatar

That rounds it up indeed.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

This group protects Palestinians in the West Bank from the illegal settlers. They need our support:

CfP’s Solidarity in Action Campaign: https://drove.com/.2Mcf

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Everything We do is good.

Everything They do is bad.

Citizens who resist this program are quasi-They hence bad.

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John Turcot's avatar

Patrick,

"Everything We do is good. Everything They do is bad."...

Perfect!

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SW's avatar

I don’t know if you’ve read this but The Hospital of the American University in Beirut, Lebanon reportedly took all the pagers of its nurses and doctors about 10 days ago. They replaced them “due to technical issues” according to the employees.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

That is a fake story, a rumor. Lots of rumors & fake news has been spreading in Lebanese social media circles, courtesy of Israeli hasbara.

(1) https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2024/09/fact-check-american-university-of-beirut-did-not-switch-paging-system-due-to-prior-knowledge-of-2024-lebanon-bombings.html

(2) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/18/chk_exploding-pagers-psychological-warfare-israels-attack-on-hezbollah "However, AUBMC announced in response to the rumours, that the upgrade to its paging system was implemented as far back as April, and what happened in August was simply an activation."

(3) https://www.nna-leb.gov.lb/en/miscellaneous/722089/aub-medical-center-denies-allegations-linking-new

(4) https://x.com/AUBMC_Official/status/1836093048801104379

"At a crucial time when AUBMC physicians, nurses, and staff have been fully mobilized to deal with the aftermath of today’s injuries, several malicious social media outlets have started spreading rumors and conspiracy theories about the types of communications systems AUB has in place, attempting to link AUB to this tragic event. The university categorically denies these baseless allegations.

Following are the facts. Our paging system infrastructure was upgraded in April 2024. The Go-Live for switching to the new system took place on August 29, 2024. The scope of this upgrade was to enhance emergency and code communication, as several devices and systems had become obsolete."

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TS's avatar

Yes, I saw that denial.

Do note that those facts can be true, and at the same time, they could have upgraded their paging system in April, 2024, because they learned that pagers in Lebanon had been compromised.

My question is, did they in fact collect the old pagers from their doctors and nurses? If so, what happened to those pagers? Did any of them blow up when pagers all over Beirut exploded?

If someone had suggested, a couple weeks ago, that Israel was planning to booby-trap thousands of pagers, radios, and home solar systems in Lebanon, that would be an outrageous, inflammatory, and crazy conspiracy theory. It would amount to a blood libel.

And yet, here we are.

If someone is killed suspiciously, the first thing investigators look at is if anyone in their orbit took out a new insurance policy. This is not a crazy supposition.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

What dates were the orders for the pagers placed by Hisbullah? They may not line up at all.

Had anyone at AUB been in the know, it would have been someone in the IT dept., not the doctors, nurses, medical staff, or administrators. If the dates work, I’d have a chat with those IT folks, for sure.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Here's some logic to debunk such conspiracy theories: If ANYONE knew about the pagers at the hospital - everyone would have known. There was NO incentive to keep it a secret. WHY? Because otherwise the HOSPITAL would be dealing with an emergency AND catastrophe if such an event happened - and it DID happen.

Why would anyone at a hospital (that cares for people) want to make life for themselves harder by creating chaos and emergency situations?

What you suggest is simple "Conspiratorial Thinking" on tenuous information - there is no logic behind such a theory.

>>"If someone had suggested, a couple weeks ago, that Israel was planning to booby-trap thousands of pagers, radios, and home solar systems in Lebanon, that would be an outrageous, inflammatory, and crazy conspiracy theory."

NO, it would NOT have been a conspiracy theory. Have you read "Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations" by Ronan Bergman [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33598223-rise-and-kill-first] or "The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World" by Antony Loewenstein [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/121075698-the-palestine-laboratory] ?

Israel is definitely capable of (and has done such) stuff before.

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jg moebus's avatar

Thank You, Chang, for sharing that information.

This whole Planet could use a LOT more of that.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes I did comment on this yesterday.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

I am going to say the biggest war crime by the U.S. was by President Truman.

When Japan went looking to surrender, Truman demanded an UNCONDITIONAL surrender which included surrendering one's human rights.

This I call an unethical/immoral demand by Truman and initially FDR.

It should not really be a surprise that Japan turned that down.

It was then Truman unleashed those A-bombs eventually killing around 200,000 mostly innocent Japanese civilians.

That demand for an UNCONDITIONAL surrender was NOT reported in my history book !!!!!

I have little doubts that was NOT mentioned so as to paint Japan as a stubborn nation that was refusing to surrender and whitewashing the State Terrorism of Truman

I have recently decided to call them MURDERS based upon more recent events by RULERS.

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