I appreciate just seeing things for what they are. It’s horrible. It kills discussions at various gatherings. It keeps me up at night. It’s atrocious to sit here safely and helplessly watch this unfold.
Thanks for simply trying to bear witness and find some truth.
While I’m plugging sound information, I’m going to plug a book called “Obstacle to Peace” by Jeremy R. Hammond. Reviews at Amazon worth a look. If averse to purchasing through Amazon, it can be found at jeremyrhammond.com
The death count numbers out of Gaza are certainly far too low. That much is obvious from watching any footage of the survivors in the area. I think your analogy of the husband taking off his mask, revealing that he is indeed a space alien, and the wife then pretending this never happened and asking what he wants for dinner is a good one. The last several years have brutally revealed that those figureheads in charge are nothing more than puppets for lying, genocidal, anti human forces. Yet the implications of this are too much for most people to confront or deal with, so they pretend that what they saw never happened...
Sorry. You are correct, I should have been more clear, not the number, but the causes. But then I don't trust Hamas nor netanyahu. Both awful. Netanyahu would have been gone by now, but Hamas did a great job of bringing him back from the dead.
No hamas is not controlling the numbers, the ministry of health is a civil service. We and I know some of the doctors personally and their numbers are legit. The only hasbara and propaganda is from the zionist death cult.
Israel may be a zionist death cult, but hamas and it's ministries are no less so. I will remind you only one group has genocide of a people as the second sentence of their constitution, and it is not israel. That said, reading this thread has confirmed exactly what I thought. The only sane path forward is neither Hamas nor any far right coalition in Israel. Anyone deeply supporting either is mentally unwell.
Ok you're spread8ng propaganda here... the only genocides are the ziodeath cult, they killed Palestinians and their own people. Go play somewhere else and get your fact straight. Go and read facts, their charters even founders says it clearly the enemy is zionism. bye bye zio bot, we can see you
From an op-ed written in the London Times during Operation Cast Lead in 2008:
“The political leadership of Hamas is probably the most highly qualified in the world. Boasting more than 500 PhDs in its ranks, the majority are middle-class professionals—doctors, dentists, scientists, and engineers. Most of its leadership have been educated in our universities and harbor no ideological hatred towards the West. It is a grievance-based movement, dedicated to addressing the injustice done to its people. It has consistently offered a ten-year ceasefire to give breathing space to resolve a conflict that has continued for more than 60 years.
The Bush-Blair response to the Hamas victory in 2006 is the key to today’s horror. Instead of accepting the democratically elected Government, they funded an attempt to remove it by force, training & arming groups of Fatah fighters to unseat Hamas militarily and impose a new, unelected government on the Palestinians. Further, 45 Hamas MPs are still being held in Israeli jails…”
If I criticise British, French or Russian policy I am criticising policy, so if I criticise Israeli policy I'm committing something call a 'blood libel', is that a specially bad kind of libel? Is it so very different from criticising any other countries policies that it has it's own category? What utter shite, used as a device to close down any discussion of Israeli government. As Caitlin has pointed out almost daily since this started, if you can't see that dropping 2000 pounds bombs on densely populated areas is just wrong you have no morals.
I think blood libel refers to a story that at the time of a Christian holiday especially Easter stories were spread thst jews would kill a Christian child for its blood which was then mixed with matza and consumed. I seem to remember reading this in a book entiled 'Pogram' written by a Stanford University scholar with regard to the Kishinev Pogram in 1905.
Thanks for the info, I do know that, I was being slightly tongue in cheek. I do wonder why the utter fuck though Jewish commentators get away with dragging that phrase up and using it to try to club other people into silence when talking about Israel's actions. It's actually a pathetic closing down but used too often in MSM as if it gives the wielder some kind of extra moral superpower.
When it comes to Isreal, there is no policy differences between Biden and Trump (USA), Rishi Sunak and Kier Starmer (UK) and Trudeau or Poilieve (CA).
What worries me are the new "hate speech" laws being introduced throughout the west. So far no one has been able to define "hate", the definition of "anti-semitism" is becoming broader by the minute while "Islamaphobia" is ... well .. perfectly acceptable.
I liken any attempt at a more than a cursory examination of the bizarre pathology of American political culture to an all expense paid trip to Disneyland on acid with my date, Alice of Wonderland.
Thank you and you are right — never forget so many recent lies in the US “Empire of Lies” as astute president Putin calls us.
• At least one million dead and permanently disfigured Slavs from two beautiful, closely related and largest Slavic nations — victims of Anglo-Saxon historical chauvinism and bipartisan War party permanent wars..
• And tens of millions dead and injured from a bioweapon virus -- designed and developed in a US lab. Yet St. Fauci and his team is not in jail – permanently protected by DNC-CIA cabal.
• Plus -- a US genocide in Gaza ! US actively sabotaged a two-state solution for decades;. In the latest and current Gaza genocide, the Nazi-dominated government monsters of Israel are just the executioners.
What’s wrong with Russia? They have a SENTIENT leader of extraordinary intelligence who loves his country and his people. And the economy is booming in spite of the United States of Assholes best efforts 😁
Hey, person who can't engage without misogyny, I am sorry you ate unwell. Tell it to your doctors, I am not a free therapist or codependent to your problrms.
Isn't it crazy that it's not even WHAT you say, but WHEN you say that is forbidden, and that WHEN happens to be in the narrow window where it is possible to influence policy and prevent horrible things from happening?
But sit back and let the horrible thing happen, and THEN months/years later tell a truth that could have prevented enormous atrocities, and you're some kind or a hero.
Hamas had said so. An IDF officer had confessed and justified it. I had written it. As I wrote that, a week before October 7, Netanyahu was informed of what was about to happen and he kept the information secret and lowered the defense systems. But, it seemed impossible and no one believed it!
Things that are not the same. Gaza and holocaust. Gaza awful... but the jews taken to camps and killed is not the same as initiating attach after attack and then questioning why someone is defending themselves albeit disproportionately.
Just for giggles, are you Jewish or Palestinian? Ever visited israel, the occupied territories or a concentration camp (what is left?)?
How's your math? 60% of jews were killed during the holocaust, less than 001% of Muslims killed in Gaza. And even if you agree and 50k/2 million Palestinians not even close.
Are you as upset with China about their actual concentration camps.
I agree that both hamas and netanyahu have to go. But I wonder what utopia you think would happen if israel were to just disappear? You know power is power, and most freedom fighters become despots pretty quickly. In fact, Hamas already is. But I look forward to hearing your plan... in detail.... go ahead
Hamas has a constitution where the second sentence is death to jews, so not overstating anything. But I think you are unwell, so will wish you the best.
You do know there are 3 million muslims... with plenty of self governance elsewhere right? Why are they doing nothing? Oh wait, they won't touch hamas with a 10 foot pole.
Oops! Wrong keystroke: ...and setting as many of the Liars on fire as possible, one reads Caitlyn's comment and sighs, "I am not alone." WE are not alone. Let's keep on brothers and sisters and join in solidarity to take them down.
Lowkey, who is a British rapper, explained Hannibal's procedure when he was on the Pier Morgan show on October 28, 2023. Pier, who is just looking for a profit and a large audience for his show, undermined Lowkey’s position and argument. Pie Morgan is a jerk and gossip journalist. He should apologize to Lowkey.
Caitlin, I want to give you a big hug! I am also going to use your term "imperial media" from now on. Didn't this stupid media not notice the devastation that the rest of us have been witnessing these past eight months - thanks to the brave Palestinian journalists ( most of them dying to let the world know the truth so that they will do something to stop the carnage), also AL Jazeera till they were kicked out by the Israeli regime? Now the imperial media feigns surprise?! To quote Caitlin, "Foreign reporters now making their way into Rafah for the first time since the Israeli assault on the city began are now describing the place as a “flattened wasteland,” a “maze of rubble,” and “unrecognizable.”
In that interview of Biden by the ABC he says he is " running the world " implying that he has brains enough to run an empire! To create death, devastation, theft and ecological disaster no doubt. Who gave him ( or the deep state that pulls the strings ) the right to run the world? It is time for the sane world to rise up and destroy the myth, instead of watching in bemusement an unholy tussle between two ageing braindead humans as to who is more fit to run the world! We will be as braindead as them if we let this go on.
I continue to be amazed by the dimensions you can find in this story.
It remains painful to me. And now it is contaminated with the abilities and interests of President Biden, who cannot figure out how to retire and apparently has no feeling for the Gazans.
As disappointed I am in the DNC's ability to put up a functional candidate who will not finish the destruction of the American republic, I am more disappointed in the Biden facilitators.
Does it always happen like this - converging disasters?
you got a point, i think a lot of the people on the right who dont want to support israel say so to reduce spending rather than caring about palestine, there is the far right that is anti-semitic and supports it for that reason but i think the bulk of the support coming from a place of empathy is the left
I appreciate just seeing things for what they are. It’s horrible. It kills discussions at various gatherings. It keeps me up at night. It’s atrocious to sit here safely and helplessly watch this unfold.
Thanks for simply trying to bear witness and find some truth.
Doesn't affect my sleep at all!
Because you are completely bereft of a soul, motherfucker.
Here’s some understanding:
https://youtu.be/GjKRSdzU_6I?si=8PBHlw7OJe8zmdca
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While I’m plugging sound information, I’m going to plug a book called “Obstacle to Peace” by Jeremy R. Hammond. Reviews at Amazon worth a look. If averse to purchasing through Amazon, it can be found at jeremyrhammond.com
The death count numbers out of Gaza are certainly far too low. That much is obvious from watching any footage of the survivors in the area. I think your analogy of the husband taking off his mask, revealing that he is indeed a space alien, and the wife then pretending this never happened and asking what he wants for dinner is a good one. The last several years have brutally revealed that those figureheads in charge are nothing more than puppets for lying, genocidal, anti human forces. Yet the implications of this are too much for most people to confront or deal with, so they pretend that what they saw never happened...
You know that hamas is sending out the numbers... so you can easily argue they are too high
This has been debunked as published in lancet. We don't believe Israeli hasbara and propaganda
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext
Sorry. You are correct, I should have been more clear, not the number, but the causes. But then I don't trust Hamas nor netanyahu. Both awful. Netanyahu would have been gone by now, but Hamas did a great job of bringing him back from the dead.
No hamas is not controlling the numbers, the ministry of health is a civil service. We and I know some of the doctors personally and their numbers are legit. The only hasbara and propaganda is from the zionist death cult.
Israel may be a zionist death cult, but hamas and it's ministries are no less so. I will remind you only one group has genocide of a people as the second sentence of their constitution, and it is not israel. That said, reading this thread has confirmed exactly what I thought. The only sane path forward is neither Hamas nor any far right coalition in Israel. Anyone deeply supporting either is mentally unwell.
Ok you're spread8ng propaganda here... the only genocides are the ziodeath cult, they killed Palestinians and their own people. Go play somewhere else and get your fact straight. Go and read facts, their charters even founders says it clearly the enemy is zionism. bye bye zio bot, we can see you
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
From an op-ed written in the London Times during Operation Cast Lead in 2008:
“The political leadership of Hamas is probably the most highly qualified in the world. Boasting more than 500 PhDs in its ranks, the majority are middle-class professionals—doctors, dentists, scientists, and engineers. Most of its leadership have been educated in our universities and harbor no ideological hatred towards the West. It is a grievance-based movement, dedicated to addressing the injustice done to its people. It has consistently offered a ten-year ceasefire to give breathing space to resolve a conflict that has continued for more than 60 years.
The Bush-Blair response to the Hamas victory in 2006 is the key to today’s horror. Instead of accepting the democratically elected Government, they funded an attempt to remove it by force, training & arming groups of Fatah fighters to unseat Hamas militarily and impose a new, unelected government on the Palestinians. Further, 45 Hamas MPs are still being held in Israeli jails…”
If I criticise British, French or Russian policy I am criticising policy, so if I criticise Israeli policy I'm committing something call a 'blood libel', is that a specially bad kind of libel? Is it so very different from criticising any other countries policies that it has it's own category? What utter shite, used as a device to close down any discussion of Israeli government. As Caitlin has pointed out almost daily since this started, if you can't see that dropping 2000 pounds bombs on densely populated areas is just wrong you have no morals.
I think blood libel refers to a story that at the time of a Christian holiday especially Easter stories were spread thst jews would kill a Christian child for its blood which was then mixed with matza and consumed. I seem to remember reading this in a book entiled 'Pogram' written by a Stanford University scholar with regard to the Kishinev Pogram in 1905.
Thanks for the info, I do know that, I was being slightly tongue in cheek. I do wonder why the utter fuck though Jewish commentators get away with dragging that phrase up and using it to try to club other people into silence when talking about Israel's actions. It's actually a pathetic closing down but used too often in MSM as if it gives the wielder some kind of extra moral superpower.
When it comes to Isreal, there is no policy differences between Biden and Trump (USA), Rishi Sunak and Kier Starmer (UK) and Trudeau or Poilieve (CA).
What worries me are the new "hate speech" laws being introduced throughout the west. So far no one has been able to define "hate", the definition of "anti-semitism" is becoming broader by the minute while "Islamaphobia" is ... well .. perfectly acceptable.
I liken any attempt at a more than a cursory examination of the bizarre pathology of American political culture to an all expense paid trip to Disneyland on acid with my date, Alice of Wonderland.
Thank you and you are right — never forget so many recent lies in the US “Empire of Lies” as astute president Putin calls us.
• At least one million dead and permanently disfigured Slavs from two beautiful, closely related and largest Slavic nations — victims of Anglo-Saxon historical chauvinism and bipartisan War party permanent wars..
• And tens of millions dead and injured from a bioweapon virus -- designed and developed in a US lab. Yet St. Fauci and his team is not in jail – permanently protected by DNC-CIA cabal.
• Plus -- a US genocide in Gaza ! US actively sabotaged a two-state solution for decades;. In the latest and current Gaza genocide, the Nazi-dominated government monsters of Israel are just the executioners.
Do you honestly think Zionists want a two state solution????😂🤣😂😉Israel runs the uSA.
That's right. Some to lazy and ignorant to figure out, or they just don't care. They should stay off social media and move to Israel. Front lines.
Sweet tin foil hat, where did you get it.
Feel free to move back to Russia.
What’s wrong with Russia? They have a SENTIENT leader of extraordinary intelligence who loves his country and his people. And the economy is booming in spite of the United States of Assholes best efforts 😁
And culture too!
Russia is kicking ass. Russia is also very Christian. It seems their people are “on the same page”. How refreshing!
Their economy is the size of Spain, even before the war.... hardly an economic powerhouse.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/russia-overtakes-japan-to-become-the-fourth-largest-economy-in-the-world-in-ppp-terms/ar-BB1nCnto
Omg, if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn cheap!
Feel free to continue to contribute your deep thoughts.
BTW, I am neither of Russian origin nor I speak the beautiful Russian language, unfortunately.
But — I try to think without prejudice and hatred.
But you're a Slav, Boris, hence guilty.
Hey, racist cunt - I do speak Russian, it's my mother tongue. Feel free to engage 😉🤣🤡
Wait, you most likely have issues getting any cunt or dick. Well, just anyone to touch you at all and it shows
You call this "engagement"? 🤣🤡
Oh wait... you can pay for it... but poor sex workers, worst day of the week
Rubles don't go very far towards quality sex
I am guessing getting any cunt at all is a problem for you. But just guessing.
Hey, person who can't engage without misogyny, I am sorry you ate unwell. Tell it to your doctors, I am not a free therapist or codependent to your problrms.
Hey you still here? I told you to pull your head out of your ass, didn't I?
On top of not seeing things you have no concept of timeline. You are a hasbara troll, possibly without even realizing it.
Poor incel
Isn't it crazy that it's not even WHAT you say, but WHEN you say that is forbidden, and that WHEN happens to be in the narrow window where it is possible to influence policy and prevent horrible things from happening?
But sit back and let the horrible thing happen, and THEN months/years later tell a truth that could have prevented enormous atrocities, and you're some kind or a hero.
Hamas had said so. An IDF officer had confessed and justified it. I had written it. As I wrote that, a week before October 7, Netanyahu was informed of what was about to happen and he kept the information secret and lowered the defense systems. But, it seemed impossible and no one believed it!
wow. wow. wow. goddam.
I'm speechless and wordless and in desperation...so gratified that you are not, Caitlin.
Anti semitism charges about Gaza are holocaust denial.
Israelis would readily deny it if it helped them get rid of Palestinians. They'd call it fair trade-off.
Things that are not the same. Gaza and holocaust. Gaza awful... but the jews taken to camps and killed is not the same as initiating attach after attack and then questioning why someone is defending themselves albeit disproportionately.
Just for giggles, are you Jewish or Palestinian? Ever visited israel, the occupied territories or a concentration camp (what is left?)?
How's your math? 60% of jews were killed during the holocaust, less than 001% of Muslims killed in Gaza. And even if you agree and 50k/2 million Palestinians not even close.
Are you as upset with China about their actual concentration camps.
I agree that both hamas and netanyahu have to go. But I wonder what utopia you think would happen if israel were to just disappear? You know power is power, and most freedom fighters become despots pretty quickly. In fact, Hamas already is. But I look forward to hearing your plan... in detail.... go ahead
Hamas has a constitution where the second sentence is death to jews, so not overstating anything. But I think you are unwell, so will wish you the best.
You do know there are 3 million muslims... with plenty of self governance elsewhere right? Why are they doing nothing? Oh wait, they won't touch hamas with a 10 foot pole.
Oops. 1.9 billion islamists
I don't for one second believe they can't govern themselves, but Hamas sure as shit can't.
Show me one shred of evidence of Israelis raping children.
Wow, I love how proud you are of your ignorance. You let that freak flag fly loud, real loudly!
Oops! Wrong keystroke: ...and setting as many of the Liars on fire as possible, one reads Caitlyn's comment and sighs, "I am not alone." WE are not alone. Let's keep on brothers and sisters and join in solidarity to take them down.
Lowkey, who is a British rapper, explained Hannibal's procedure when he was on the Pier Morgan show on October 28, 2023. Pier, who is just looking for a profit and a large audience for his show, undermined Lowkey’s position and argument. Pie Morgan is a jerk and gossip journalist. He should apologize to Lowkey.
FYI it's PierS Morgan but, you are right, he is a jerk. In the UK we'd call him a wanker.
I corrected it, and it was on October 23, 2023.
Caitlin, I want to give you a big hug! I am also going to use your term "imperial media" from now on. Didn't this stupid media not notice the devastation that the rest of us have been witnessing these past eight months - thanks to the brave Palestinian journalists ( most of them dying to let the world know the truth so that they will do something to stop the carnage), also AL Jazeera till they were kicked out by the Israeli regime? Now the imperial media feigns surprise?! To quote Caitlin, "Foreign reporters now making their way into Rafah for the first time since the Israeli assault on the city began are now describing the place as a “flattened wasteland,” a “maze of rubble,” and “unrecognizable.”
In that interview of Biden by the ABC he says he is " running the world " implying that he has brains enough to run an empire! To create death, devastation, theft and ecological disaster no doubt. Who gave him ( or the deep state that pulls the strings ) the right to run the world? It is time for the sane world to rise up and destroy the myth, instead of watching in bemusement an unholy tussle between two ageing braindead humans as to who is more fit to run the world! We will be as braindead as them if we let this go on.
Hi Susan
Sloppy Joe’s cylinders all quit firing. Can you imagine voting for this corpse?
Love the term “imperial” instead of state media
the HANNIBAL DIRECTIVE has been a quiddity in zioisraelis' military machinations from the founding of european zionism.
I continue to be amazed by the dimensions you can find in this story.
It remains painful to me. And now it is contaminated with the abilities and interests of President Biden, who cannot figure out how to retire and apparently has no feeling for the Gazans.
As disappointed I am in the DNC's ability to put up a functional candidate who will not finish the destruction of the American republic, I am more disappointed in the Biden facilitators.
Does it always happen like this - converging disasters?
Maybe not always, but certainly it is this time.
Free Palestine 🍉🇵🇸 the left will rise in America one day, its just a matter of when and how much more suffering will have to happen to motivate people
IDK but, aren't we beyond the "conflict" being a left or right political issue?
you got a point, i think a lot of the people on the right who dont want to support israel say so to reduce spending rather than caring about palestine, there is the far right that is anti-semitic and supports it for that reason but i think the bulk of the support coming from a place of empathy is the left
You say Shelly has a point, then totally ignore that point....smh.
So you're saying it's not a left or right issue but, east vs west?