Caitlin, to my mind it isn’t about voicing opposition to genocide.
It’s about criticizing IsraHell.
If it were the Iranians mass-murdering Palestinians (or Russians, or North Koreans) the media would be on it like flies on shit (and don’t that just describe the MSM.) But lawd, mustn’t bash the Only Democracy in the Middle East that’s Allowed to Control the Amerikkkan Guvvmint.
The last US president to voice any opposition to the Ziofilth was JFK and don’t we just know how THAT happy crappy turned out.
Typical racism from a white Australian settler. "Opposing the genocide in Sudan is about saving Sudan. Opposing the genocide in Gaza is about saving ourselves" Why isnt saving Sudan saving us? Aren't Sudanese human too? OR you refuse to talk about Black Africans? Don't Black Africans deserved to be saved too? Why are you using the fact that talking about the genocide Sudan is allowed to not talk about it?
Strong points Layla. Every act of genocide and mass murder diminishes humanity. Perhaps Caitlin's point was not well made. Yes, we (white Australian or settler colonialists anywhere) are more directly involved in the continuing crime against Palestine, but the problem is that we are involved everywhere in this mayhem, now and as a legacy of past crimes.
CJ>>"Opposing the genocide in Sudan is about saving Sudan. Opposing the genocide in Gaza is about saving ourselves. Saving our free speech. Saving our political systems. Saving our hearts. Saving our minds. Saving our soul."
"Opposing the genocide in Sudan is about saving Sudan. Opposing the genocide in Gaza is about saving ourselves."
I would argue that stopping genocide EVERYWHERE on the globe is about saving ourselves. Sure, the UAE are small fries when compared to the US/Western-backed IDF, but anywhere in the world where genocide is happening gives the big bullies the incentive to keep doing it. (And of course, they'll let the mainstream media talk about a genocide in Sudan because they figure they've brainwashed the masses not to care about Africans.)
We definitely need to shut down the War Machine forever to save our souls.
My thoughts, exactly! Opposing the genocide in Sudan is as important as opposing the genocide in Gaza. Genocide anywhere threatens the rest of the world, yet we USers are funding the Gaza genocide. I am complicit involuntarily, my country is “footing the bill”, and that’s what makes the difference to me. Otherwise, as I said, genocide here is genocide there. It all must end!
I agree, the Revolution Continues, it was a bit hard for me to hear that comparison. In actuality, if one genocide is glossed over, or put on the back burner, then it gives a green light for other genocides to happen. In fact, genocides have been going on for too long, all over the world. Unfortunately, International Law is toothless, and copy-cat atrocities have been given the green light. Saudi Arabia was at the helm of bombing Yemen and that was back during Obama's administration. Sudan's internal strife split that country in half. If we dig deep enough we will see the tentacles of Imperial colonial powers in the mix. Africa is the richest continent in the world when it comes to resources. The colonial powers left "physically" but they never left ideologically.
It's amazing how many Zionists pretend to believe that milions of Westerners are prejudiced against Jews but not against Muslims or Africans. As if that's a thing.
Zionism actively tries to make westerners prejudiced against muslims and africans, because that makes it "solidary" with Israel since it is a white supremacist state ("uhh... they got freedom and democracy... as long as you are the right ethnoreligious group!")
Right on the mark with your analysis! Your closing paragraph captures the essence of this horror. We have become soulless people. I applaud and participated in the No Kings march, but I carried a sign with a pro-Palestinian message on one side and a condemnation of the extrajudicial killings we are committing and the suppression of speech that we are promulgating on the other, and I can not understand how these issues don't incense more people. Trump is certainly an abomination, but what we and the Israelis have managed to do to a helpless people is a far greater sin.
Good on you Marianna Chambless, and to all those who participated in the "No Kings" march.
But judging by Trump's reaction - of an AI-generated spectacle in which he pilots a fighter plane with the words “King Trump,” raining filth onto a group of protesters below - it only seems to have massaged his ego. He did the same with his Gaza Riviera AI generated video - his crude, cruel, vulgar indifference to an on-going genocide on full display.
Trump’s fantasies are the climax of the ancient dream of the colonisers who confuse cruelty with strength and humiliation with power.
The current israeli Jews are the same ones God named as abomination sovery long ago, because of their lies, pride, killing, theft, covetousness. We keep missing out that other rather im portent fact about "not taking the name of the lord God in vain". They have done all of that and more : how often have they said they are ^God's chosen^? When they really mean Satan's chosen, which is so clear to understand just why he would choose them.
Even using biblical text in the quest to dominate the world, is another lie and abomination. There is no hope for them anywhere, ever.
Has Trump polled the citizenry on his insane tariff wars? No, he rather chooses to shut down any discussion of the genocide if it puts the Izzies in a bad light. Remember, Trump is Chabad, right along with Putin and Bibi. US is getting rich from the tariffs says Donnie without a casual thought that we are paying that tariff money to pay for a bigger and bigger war machine. The oaf thinks the tariffs are the greatest idea ever in humanity....as the US sinks into the muck and mire, Donnie raves about how great he is. When our candidates for the presidency include such mindless fools as Donnie and Harris, it's time to change the way we elect CIA stooges. Donnie adores the idea of surveillance, wonder how much jack he's getting as he sells wars. OWS may be waiting in the wings if the oaf feels the new stuff is so much better than the old stuff. Every good idea Donnie has is counterbalanced by some insanity, like the tariffs.
I think US will pretend to save the day by going in and doing more murder. Talk about human rights again blah blah blah. Gotta keep that $ rolling in to the billionaire class and corrupt congress members get to make more $ via insider trading.
Well written Catlin. Exactly. Isrehelli and their vile idf cowards and thugs always get a pass from the AIPAC and its sycophants, infected MSM in the West. Long Live democracy now.
Trump has big plans for a Gaza Casino & Spa and none for Sudan. He and his son-in-law and Miriam Adelson probably have blueprints ready to go and don’t want a bunch of annoying peasants mouthing off.
It must be spoken out loud and denounced, but who is astonished? Only those with a skewed view of history: between 20 and 100 million indigenous persons were killed in the US by colonialists, and horribly, especially after the Civil War ended - 1864? - and attention and resources could be concentrated on this unspeakable atrocity. This is the traditional West narrative: a higher and enlightened society has the right, no, the duty, to kill whoever it deems inferior, or, more particularly, sits on land and/or resources the "enlightened" want. And the whole vile history disappears into the mists of time. But not the vile inclination: It keeps coming back like a spectre in different forms.
I, for one, am proud to say that I am Palestinian, in all the important ways.
I come from a country where a Palestinian Ambassador was a friend of mine for 35 years and who just died in Thailand on his way to Palestine. He taught me what advocacy really means, the dedication that is required to overcome the Western media and the constant effort required to overcome Western / Israeli lies.
A full time job in whatever country you live in.
Such is the parasitical nature of Israelis, even more so when supported by the power hungry USA and the Western puppets. To be totally honest, one has to add the other Arab nations as well, indicating to all the insidious penetration by the demonic USA / Israel partnership.
For this world to continue, this climate must end.
One thing that has become all too evident for me over the past two years is that not just instances, but deeply ingrained existence of heretofore inconceivable, incomprehensible depravity I never thought remotely possible have been made manifest with the Israelis, the Zionists, and with their apparently many, I am hesitant to say, Jewish apologists. The Israelis and the Zionists I have come to understand, like other pathogens in life, they exist. They can, and need to be, quarantined from humanity – note I did not say “from the rest of humanity,” as I do not regard them as human beings or having human qualities whatsoever, aside from fornicating and copulating, hence reproducing, unfortunately, and defecating, in their case literally and figuratively on all that is human; rather, I refer to them as “existents.” The world has yet to do that.
“L’chaim!” “To life!” used to be regarded as the elemental human assertion, as expressed by Jews, applicable to all. That rings hollow now. Not with a “society” that practices the intentional starvation and targeting of children. As Norman Finkelstein has said, “Israel is a lunatic state, a death cult.” As such, now unabashedly boasting about their crimes against humanity, the Israeli/Zionist murderers, liars, thieves, cheats, and blackmailers have joyfully replaced “L’chaim!” with the more viscerally satisfying “Le-mavet!” “To death!” of others. This is what the world has come to, or in Yawah Sinwar’s view, what it has been, though mostly out of sight, out of mind of the West, for the past eight decades, at least.
I used to draw a sharp distinction between Jews, particularly American Jews, who to me represent the deep traditions of humanity, scholarship, social justice, philanthropy, culture, and more, versus the galactically opposite self-aggrandizement, claimed supremacy, self-entitlement, intellectual perversions, and contempt for other life of the Israelis/Zionists. I very much could understand when Jews would say, “Not in my name!”
Maybe I am being unfair, placing an undue burden upon American Jews, but I don’t seem to be hearing “Not in my name!” enough, especially not when they are being conflated with Zionism and an implicit support for Israel. Instead even among supposedly well-educated, highly positioned America Jews I am encountering the same historical ignorance, the same twisted logic, the same strained, self-serving rationalizations that are central to the Israeli/Zionist narrative. I see it in the recent NYT piece on Mamdani’s candidacy roiling Jewish communities, “more than 1,100 rabbis across the country decrying the ‘political normalization’ of anti-Zionism” – in light of hundreds of thousands dead and maimed Palestinians, that’s a bad thing? - a piece in Forward, a storied Jewish publication, presenting a slick rational to let Israel off the accountability hook for the genocide. I thought just shameless, unconscionable, and this from a guy associated with Ivy League schools.
In other words, I’m finding it harder and harder to maintain that distinction alluded to earlier. I’m at the point of saying, you can’t simultaneously be anti-genocide and pro-Israel, to be so is to be outright ignorant of history, of facts, or in deep denial. Decide or be damned.
Yes, the Zionist have that much power and Influence to determine and tell the world.' What is and what is not Genocide ,'What is and what is not Crime, who is and who is not a Terrorist, what is and what is not Anti Semitism, they get the make up their own rules and laws, and interpret those they way they see fit. They always break rules, laws ,signed agreement and treaties and blame the other side, because they are above all international laws and norms, they don't apply to Israel.
Israel get to tell people who they are ,and who they are not, and where they belong and don't belong, they get to tell the Palestinians they are not Palestinians because they don't exist and never existed and that there was no such people and no such place, and that it was a Land without a People for a People without a Land.
I keep wondering when is the International community going to put these people claiming themselves to be Israeli/Jews out their misery once and for all before they destroy us all?
***How Israel's violent birth destroyed Palestine
Nearly 70 years after the founding of Israel, the past is still looming large.
The infamous declaration once made by former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir that Palestinians 'didn't exist' and that 'there is no such a thing as a Palestinian people' was far more dangerous than a mere racist comment.
The term Nakba morphed to define the zenith of British and Zionist colonization and settlement in Palestine, which ultimately led to the Destruction of Palestine
One of more disturbing aspects of the genocide of the Palestinians is the nature of the outright support for it by “Christian” Zionists in the USA. Their ignorance is only surpassed by their hypocrisy. Their numbers in the USA are measured in the tens of millions. Upon the Second Coming they believe the Jews will convert to Christianity or be destroyed. They believe the earth is 6,000 years old. They believe dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans. Virtually all voted for Trump despite the fact his policies are detrimental to their very existence. They did get one thing right. The world is facing an apocalypse. One of their making.
Caitlin, to my mind it isn’t about voicing opposition to genocide.
It’s about criticizing IsraHell.
If it were the Iranians mass-murdering Palestinians (or Russians, or North Koreans) the media would be on it like flies on shit (and don’t that just describe the MSM.) But lawd, mustn’t bash the Only Democracy in the Middle East that’s Allowed to Control the Amerikkkan Guvvmint.
The last US president to voice any opposition to the Ziofilth was JFK and don’t we just know how THAT happy crappy turned out.
Not only Kennedy was assassinated, his brother as well.
And lots and lots of other innocents!
Typical racism from a white Australian settler. "Opposing the genocide in Sudan is about saving Sudan. Opposing the genocide in Gaza is about saving ourselves" Why isnt saving Sudan saving us? Aren't Sudanese human too? OR you refuse to talk about Black Africans? Don't Black Africans deserved to be saved too? Why are you using the fact that talking about the genocide Sudan is allowed to not talk about it?
Strong points Layla. Every act of genocide and mass murder diminishes humanity. Perhaps Caitlin's point was not well made. Yes, we (white Australian or settler colonialists anywhere) are more directly involved in the continuing crime against Palestine, but the problem is that we are involved everywhere in this mayhem, now and as a legacy of past crimes.
All-Time Crappy for All NonJewishies!!!
It costs anyone brave enough to expose and oppose their fascistic shenanigans !!!!!
CJ>>"Opposing the genocide in Sudan is about saving Sudan. Opposing the genocide in Gaza is about saving ourselves. Saving our free speech. Saving our political systems. Saving our hearts. Saving our minds. Saving our soul."
❤️🎯💯 Thank you Caitlin and Tim! ❤️🙏
Oh I forgot to mention tech billionaires testing AI atrocities and robot killings along with drone spying etc etc
Yes.
Q:Also, how many tech billionaires have and continue to support the UAE?
A: 0
Q:How many tech billionaires have and continue to support Israel?
A: Too many
Didn’t amazon move to UAE because of the tariffs? I’d say tech industry goes where the $ flows and rake in everything.
"Opposing the genocide in Sudan is about saving Sudan. Opposing the genocide in Gaza is about saving ourselves."
I would argue that stopping genocide EVERYWHERE on the globe is about saving ourselves. Sure, the UAE are small fries when compared to the US/Western-backed IDF, but anywhere in the world where genocide is happening gives the big bullies the incentive to keep doing it. (And of course, they'll let the mainstream media talk about a genocide in Sudan because they figure they've brainwashed the masses not to care about Africans.)
We definitely need to shut down the War Machine forever to save our souls.
My thoughts, exactly! Opposing the genocide in Sudan is as important as opposing the genocide in Gaza. Genocide anywhere threatens the rest of the world, yet we USers are funding the Gaza genocide. I am complicit involuntarily, my country is “footing the bill”, and that’s what makes the difference to me. Otherwise, as I said, genocide here is genocide there. It all must end!
I agree, the Revolution Continues, it was a bit hard for me to hear that comparison. In actuality, if one genocide is glossed over, or put on the back burner, then it gives a green light for other genocides to happen. In fact, genocides have been going on for too long, all over the world. Unfortunately, International Law is toothless, and copy-cat atrocities have been given the green light. Saudi Arabia was at the helm of bombing Yemen and that was back during Obama's administration. Sudan's internal strife split that country in half. If we dig deep enough we will see the tentacles of Imperial colonial powers in the mix. Africa is the richest continent in the world when it comes to resources. The colonial powers left "physically" but they never left ideologically.
It's amazing how many Zionists pretend to believe that milions of Westerners are prejudiced against Jews but not against Muslims or Africans. As if that's a thing.
Zionism actively tries to make westerners prejudiced against muslims and africans, because that makes it "solidary" with Israel since it is a white supremacist state ("uhh... they got freedom and democracy... as long as you are the right ethnoreligious group!")
Well, yes. But they're not the only ones.
Right on the mark with your analysis! Your closing paragraph captures the essence of this horror. We have become soulless people. I applaud and participated in the No Kings march, but I carried a sign with a pro-Palestinian message on one side and a condemnation of the extrajudicial killings we are committing and the suppression of speech that we are promulgating on the other, and I can not understand how these issues don't incense more people. Trump is certainly an abomination, but what we and the Israelis have managed to do to a helpless people is a far greater sin.
Good on you Marianna Chambless, and to all those who participated in the "No Kings" march.
But judging by Trump's reaction - of an AI-generated spectacle in which he pilots a fighter plane with the words “King Trump,” raining filth onto a group of protesters below - it only seems to have massaged his ego. He did the same with his Gaza Riviera AI generated video - his crude, cruel, vulgar indifference to an on-going genocide on full display.
Trump’s fantasies are the climax of the ancient dream of the colonisers who confuse cruelty with strength and humiliation with power.
You have struck the real truth about Trump.
The current israeli Jews are the same ones God named as abomination sovery long ago, because of their lies, pride, killing, theft, covetousness. We keep missing out that other rather im portent fact about "not taking the name of the lord God in vain". They have done all of that and more : how often have they said they are ^God's chosen^? When they really mean Satan's chosen, which is so clear to understand just why he would choose them.
Even using biblical text in the quest to dominate the world, is another lie and abomination. There is no hope for them anywhere, ever.
Has Trump polled the citizenry on his insane tariff wars? No, he rather chooses to shut down any discussion of the genocide if it puts the Izzies in a bad light. Remember, Trump is Chabad, right along with Putin and Bibi. US is getting rich from the tariffs says Donnie without a casual thought that we are paying that tariff money to pay for a bigger and bigger war machine. The oaf thinks the tariffs are the greatest idea ever in humanity....as the US sinks into the muck and mire, Donnie raves about how great he is. When our candidates for the presidency include such mindless fools as Donnie and Harris, it's time to change the way we elect CIA stooges. Donnie adores the idea of surveillance, wonder how much jack he's getting as he sells wars. OWS may be waiting in the wings if the oaf feels the new stuff is so much better than the old stuff. Every good idea Donnie has is counterbalanced by some insanity, like the tariffs.
I think US will pretend to save the day by going in and doing more murder. Talk about human rights again blah blah blah. Gotta keep that $ rolling in to the billionaire class and corrupt congress members get to make more $ via insider trading.
Your mention of Congress ruined my day. They make me barf.
Meanwhile in U.S. Congress will milk the shutdown in hopes to make the poor and lower-level class starve to death.
Well written Catlin. Exactly. Isrehelli and their vile idf cowards and thugs always get a pass from the AIPAC and its sycophants, infected MSM in the West. Long Live democracy now.
Trump has big plans for a Gaza Casino & Spa and none for Sudan. He and his son-in-law and Miriam Adelson probably have blueprints ready to go and don’t want a bunch of annoying peasants mouthing off.
It must be spoken out loud and denounced, but who is astonished? Only those with a skewed view of history: between 20 and 100 million indigenous persons were killed in the US by colonialists, and horribly, especially after the Civil War ended - 1864? - and attention and resources could be concentrated on this unspeakable atrocity. This is the traditional West narrative: a higher and enlightened society has the right, no, the duty, to kill whoever it deems inferior, or, more particularly, sits on land and/or resources the "enlightened" want. And the whole vile history disappears into the mists of time. But not the vile inclination: It keeps coming back like a spectre in different forms.
Double standards abound, and the whole point of these people's arguments is for us to stop protesting Israel's genocide of Gaza.
You are amazing--so perfectly articulate--I am so grateful for you!!
We are all Palestinians in the eyes of ZOG.
chycho,
I, for one, am proud to say that I am Palestinian, in all the important ways.
I come from a country where a Palestinian Ambassador was a friend of mine for 35 years and who just died in Thailand on his way to Palestine. He taught me what advocacy really means, the dedication that is required to overcome the Western media and the constant effort required to overcome Western / Israeli lies.
A full time job in whatever country you live in.
Such is the parasitical nature of Israelis, even more so when supported by the power hungry USA and the Western puppets. To be totally honest, one has to add the other Arab nations as well, indicating to all the insidious penetration by the demonic USA / Israel partnership.
For this world to continue, this climate must end.
One thing that has become all too evident for me over the past two years is that not just instances, but deeply ingrained existence of heretofore inconceivable, incomprehensible depravity I never thought remotely possible have been made manifest with the Israelis, the Zionists, and with their apparently many, I am hesitant to say, Jewish apologists. The Israelis and the Zionists I have come to understand, like other pathogens in life, they exist. They can, and need to be, quarantined from humanity – note I did not say “from the rest of humanity,” as I do not regard them as human beings or having human qualities whatsoever, aside from fornicating and copulating, hence reproducing, unfortunately, and defecating, in their case literally and figuratively on all that is human; rather, I refer to them as “existents.” The world has yet to do that.
“L’chaim!” “To life!” used to be regarded as the elemental human assertion, as expressed by Jews, applicable to all. That rings hollow now. Not with a “society” that practices the intentional starvation and targeting of children. As Norman Finkelstein has said, “Israel is a lunatic state, a death cult.” As such, now unabashedly boasting about their crimes against humanity, the Israeli/Zionist murderers, liars, thieves, cheats, and blackmailers have joyfully replaced “L’chaim!” with the more viscerally satisfying “Le-mavet!” “To death!” of others. This is what the world has come to, or in Yawah Sinwar’s view, what it has been, though mostly out of sight, out of mind of the West, for the past eight decades, at least.
I used to draw a sharp distinction between Jews, particularly American Jews, who to me represent the deep traditions of humanity, scholarship, social justice, philanthropy, culture, and more, versus the galactically opposite self-aggrandizement, claimed supremacy, self-entitlement, intellectual perversions, and contempt for other life of the Israelis/Zionists. I very much could understand when Jews would say, “Not in my name!”
Maybe I am being unfair, placing an undue burden upon American Jews, but I don’t seem to be hearing “Not in my name!” enough, especially not when they are being conflated with Zionism and an implicit support for Israel. Instead even among supposedly well-educated, highly positioned America Jews I am encountering the same historical ignorance, the same twisted logic, the same strained, self-serving rationalizations that are central to the Israeli/Zionist narrative. I see it in the recent NYT piece on Mamdani’s candidacy roiling Jewish communities, “more than 1,100 rabbis across the country decrying the ‘political normalization’ of anti-Zionism” – in light of hundreds of thousands dead and maimed Palestinians, that’s a bad thing? - a piece in Forward, a storied Jewish publication, presenting a slick rational to let Israel off the accountability hook for the genocide. I thought just shameless, unconscionable, and this from a guy associated with Ivy League schools.
In other words, I’m finding it harder and harder to maintain that distinction alluded to earlier. I’m at the point of saying, you can’t simultaneously be anti-genocide and pro-Israel, to be so is to be outright ignorant of history, of facts, or in deep denial. Decide or be damned.
Yes, the Zionist have that much power and Influence to determine and tell the world.' What is and what is not Genocide ,'What is and what is not Crime, who is and who is not a Terrorist, what is and what is not Anti Semitism, they get the make up their own rules and laws, and interpret those they way they see fit. They always break rules, laws ,signed agreement and treaties and blame the other side, because they are above all international laws and norms, they don't apply to Israel.
Israel get to tell people who they are ,and who they are not, and where they belong and don't belong, they get to tell the Palestinians they are not Palestinians because they don't exist and never existed and that there was no such people and no such place, and that it was a Land without a People for a People without a Land.
I keep wondering when is the International community going to put these people claiming themselves to be Israeli/Jews out their misery once and for all before they destroy us all?
***How Israel's violent birth destroyed Palestine
Nearly 70 years after the founding of Israel, the past is still looming large.
The infamous declaration once made by former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir that Palestinians 'didn't exist' and that 'there is no such a thing as a Palestinian people' was far more dangerous than a mere racist comment.
The term Nakba morphed to define the zenith of British and Zionist colonization and settlement in Palestine, which ultimately led to the Destruction of Palestine
"http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/PalestineRemix/ethnic_cleansing.html" ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population from their historic homeland in 1947 and 1948.
One of more disturbing aspects of the genocide of the Palestinians is the nature of the outright support for it by “Christian” Zionists in the USA. Their ignorance is only surpassed by their hypocrisy. Their numbers in the USA are measured in the tens of millions. Upon the Second Coming they believe the Jews will convert to Christianity or be destroyed. They believe the earth is 6,000 years old. They believe dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans. Virtually all voted for Trump despite the fact his policies are detrimental to their very existence. They did get one thing right. The world is facing an apocalypse. One of their making.
Very well put!