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LoWa's avatar

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, then you have sided with the oppressor”

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Patricia Blair's avatar

Utterly unbearable to me the inhumanity of Israel/USA position on the human beings of Palestine. The utter, utter evil that is happening. The monsters who bomb babies, children, families, hospitals, schools etc., and now won’t allow aide in, so the Palestinians will starve! I strongly object to these MF’s, Netanyahu, Trump, Hucklebe, etc. glad that I have a conscience! ⚖️🕊️🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Let's not forget their predecessors - everyone in the Biden administration. Also, almost everyone in the global North/Western countries that are supporting Israel.

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

Hear, hear!

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CK's avatar
2dEdited

Zionism is a massive cult. Zionists are not both Christians or Jews. They cannot be both. Any who claim to be both Zionist and other are vile hypocrites, as are any so-called Christians/Jews who support them.

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CK's avatar

For more than a century, Zionists have had the support of some of the wealthiest people on Earth. Their political and financial influence has been pervasive. Yet, they are still a minority.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi CK

AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT.

There are more of us than “them”.

I’m not saying that the feds would give a shit about a little pissant like me, but I have repeatedly called for revolution and the dismantling of the ZioState.

I am well-armed at home, but most of those kidnapped were outside of their homes. Michigan is an open-carry state, so I’m wearing my .38 with me now in true cowgirl fashion.

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CK's avatar

TPTB don’t fear you as an individual. United Healthcare replaced their CEO immediately after the previous one was sent to wherever demons go. TPTB fear any coordinated efforts of a few million others like you.

Note that the American Revolution had the support of less than a third of the population of the 13 colonies. Also, what many stories about that Revolution avoid mentioning is that many of the American “soldiers” weren’t exactly patriots. They were hired farmers who were looking to get supplemental cash.

When it was time to plant or harvest their crops, they walked away and went home. Similarly, today, most Americans are concerned about their own jobs and wellbeing, much as the Germans were during Hitler’s rise to power, 95 years ago.

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gypsy33's avatar

Oh, I agree that they don’t fear me personally, but I observe the pro-Palestinian student being kidnapped and wonder how long before they come after ordinary citizens.

Hence the .38.

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CK's avatar

The thugs who kidnap students are professionally trained in their craft. They may come for us fully armed and wearing full-body armor that can stop anything less than a cal.50 round.

What the thugs fear is several dozen of your armed neighbors coming to your assistance.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

Unbearable you say, but have we not bared with this inhumanity for decades? How is it that most Western leaders who have ignored ethic cleansing and the million or more they sacrifice to weaken Russia are still in power? They all applauded the ICC and were eager to arrest Putin but Netanyahu and team get pass? No, the problem is not that we don`t take a positions, hell the debates on social media keep us entertained for hours, the problem is that we do nothing, inaction is complicity.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Tre peproncini.

I had to Google this and I don't believe anything Google tells me.

Supposedly: 46% of Americans are armed.

This is a lot of people who COULD take a Govt. out.

BUT what do you do?

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi my dear Jenny

I have to take issue with that 46% ; I believe it’s MUCH higher.

I barely know any individuals who aren’t armed, but perhaps that comes from living in the sticks. Our friend just put a scope on our thirty-ought-six and we’re trying it out today: can hardly wait!

Even my very low-key and mild-mannered best girlfriend has asked us to take her gun-shopping; she wants a little snub nose .38 like mine.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yeah. I suspected more than 46%.

Be careful.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

While I would not rule it out entirely, I believe there are many actions which can be taken which are non violent. Boycotts, Strikes, join a protest or just calling your representative if your a US Citizen, Non US Citizen could boycott visiting the US. Question is not whether you take a position, question is whether are you willing to do anything to support your position?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Religion is often the scapegoat - the excuse - that people use to justify WHATEVER they want. NO religion supports Genocide. NO religion supports killing innocent people. But people will interpret religions in ways that support their goals - be it power, money, control, fame, whatever.

(Just to be clear: I'm an atheist/humanist, but I support true/honest believers of God/religion)

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Well said, Chang. I would like to add ......rationalist.....to your 'atheist' and 'humanist'.

Briefly, rationalism is now and always has been........a mental attitude that unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason, aiming to establish a system of philosophy and ethics, free from all arbitrary assumptions and authority.

If you agree that there is no conflict there, count me in.

Being much older, which I can reasonably assume is the case compared to other commenters, I lean towards being considerably more outrageous than most and therefore, based on that old age, with little to fear from my comments in my limited future years. The major characteristic in people that I dislike intensely is hypocrisy, alive and flourishing, particularly in the Israel supporting Western governments and worldwide media, now bordering on fascistic.

Based on the above, may Netanyahu and his ilk, Biden and Trump, all rot in hell and the sooner the better.

PS... I have not, nor probably ever will forget the sniper incident, purposely wounding a young child, attracting twenty or so Palestinian adults to run to his assistance and then the bomb killing of them all. That one crime showed the true deranged makeup of an Israeli, to me now all tarred with the same brush, never to be forgotten and certainly never forgiven.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I'd like to add Natural spirituality of Native peoples, which sees Nature as the highest intelligence -- for obvious reasons for anyone who takes the time to really understand the complexity, intelligent self-regulation and diversity of alternatives available to a complex adaptive system of complexity beyond anything else we know -- with no intrinsic need for genocide when the system intrinsically "knows" when one of its elements "needs to go" (sorry for the teleology).

I'd also add to your sniper incident that let's also remember Shireen Abu Akleh, murdered with her press vest in obvious view.

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JennyStokes's avatar

With all these 'bombs': How does nature cope?

The air is filled with poisoned gas.

I walk my dog everyday along the Rhone and Gardon River (close to my appartment)

All I see is young people on their 'phones totally regardless of the Trees that have died.

We have a family of Cormorants on our River, which are beautiful but they are not coming together to nest.. like they did 2yrs ago.

Go out you young people WITHOUT your 'phones and LOOK.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Great advice, Jenny -- it's all out there -- not in those bloody devices. A high point in each of my days is the appearance of Roadrunners in my yard. They go about their business hunting their prey of insects and lizards, they could care less about me, way smart enough to know I'm an irrelevant human. I wouldn't trade those birds for any bloody device No contest.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I remember seeing 'road runners' for the first time out in the desert.

Had NO idea that they really existed.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Amazing birds. They fly only when necessary, dodge cars in the city, back off cats, terrorize small dogs, and generally could care less about the existence of humans. The perfect blasé attitude. I love to watch their instinctual intensity as they hunt in pairs. Nature is so fascinating if you just observe!!

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Joy in HK's avatar

If you have actually read the bible, you must know it’s genocidal to the core, with some good stuff in between.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Joy, I think you missed reading the word "INTERPRET" in my comment. The same holds for ALL religions.

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forceOfHabit's avatar

"NO religion supports killing innocent people."

I guess it depends on your definition of "innocent", but go tell that to the Amalekites:

"Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

1 Samuel 15:1-3

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Like I said repeatedly (which people seem to ignore), everything depends on your INTERPRETATION of religious beliefs (which includes religious texts that have been revised continually throughout history). Also, the process of evolution of religions (and religious texts) has been affected by TPTB throughout history.

Read your passage again - "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt."

So - according to Samuel, not only does he think he has the power to anoint kings (according to whatever he thinks the Lord said to him or not) but HE gives a message (supposedly from a Lord). Is there ANY evidence that this message is from the Lord and not from Samuel itself?

Furthermore, the Lord Almighty (according to Samuel) DOES NOT consider the Amalekites to be innocent - and this is DIRECTLY stated - "for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt". Regardless of the factuality/opinion of what the Amalekites did or didn't do, the Lord holds them responsible (again according to Samuel).

I (and others) could go on for a while on the different ways of interpreting EVERY part of the Bible (and other texts including from other religions).

So do you get what I mean when I say "INTERPRETATION" is paramount in how people form religious beliefs?

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forceOfHabit's avatar

Utter bollocks. It is impossible to "interpret" "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." as anything other than a call to genocide.

As for taking seriously my facetious remark about "it depends on how you define innocence", I'm going to go out on a limb and say that "children and infants" are pretty much the definition of "innocence" and your lame claim that the "Lord holds them responsible" and "DOES NOT consider the Amalekites to be innocent" shows you to be completely unhinged.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Utter bollocks"

Your statement is an attestation to your own LIMITS of interpretation. That you think that YOUR interpretation is THE interpretation that the whole world should agree to says more about YOU (and your ego) than anything else.

Can you even read straightforward English? "the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt." What does that mean? That means that the Lord thinks the Amalekites are responsible for the way they waylaid Israel when they came from Egypt"

What can't you understand about such a simple sentence? It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks (in this context). This is what Samuel says the Lord thinks (according to him).

Just because I DON'T agree with Samuel (or the Lord or whoever wrote this passage) doesn't mean that my interpretation (or yours) is the be-all-and-end-all of everything.

This is basic, simple, English. Look up what 'interpretation' means in the dictionary. This conversation is an EXAMPLE of different interpretations. You can say that 'you DON'T agree with my interpretation'. But that's very different from saying that 'other interpretations DON'T EXIST' or that 'ONLY YOUR interpretation can be right'.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Hearing Aaron Mate´ discuss the Zionist "advisors" to Trump in the WH and how they were obvious direct conduits for the Israel lobby made me furious enough to want to fire a bazooka round into that vicinity. What a complete bloody outrage to everyone in this country who pays taxes and hears only IsraeI, Israel, Israel. I mean really. Screw this already.

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Sam's avatar

Did you catch how Trump has hired a woman who used to work for the Israeli defense?

Just imagine if Biden had hired someone like her but from China or Russia. But since it’s Israel the country yawns.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Just published by Dennis Kucinich: KARMA — Israel is poisoning the immune and other physiological systems of its own population with the physical (concrete/metal) and biological (human/animal) dust of its murdered Palestinian victims (Kucinich provides forensic references, https://kucinichreport.substack.com/p/war-dust-and-collateral-inhalation?publication_id=1441588&post_id=161954438&isFreemail=true&r=b8qtt&triedRedirect=true) :

"The sustained bombing of Gaza pulverizes stone, heavy metals, and the human body. The vaporizing of human beings under extreme heat and pressure combines with dust, water vapor, and metallic particles the size of microns, all blasted upwards, aerosolized, wind-driven across borders, into Israel and surrounding countries."

"Israel exhales death in Gaza and inhales the Gaza it has vaporized."

"Israel, in bombing neighboring Gaza, is breathing in its own fallout, along with the vaporized remains of its declared enemies."

"On a clinical level, breathing in bioaerosols can compromise human immune systems. Breathing in ultrafine particles from non-biological war dust can cross the blood-brain barrier and contribute to neurodegenerative disease."

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gypsy33's avatar

Vin, that’s ONE way to get rid of the Zios!

The downside is that they’re poisoning the land rightfully belonging to the Palestinian people.

But no one is more resourceful than the Palestinians; once they reclaim the land, they will find a way.

PS. A truck bomb driven through the walls of AIPAC headquarters would make a good statement.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

True dat, gyp. Brave and resourceful people, Palestinians will survive and thrive if only the Zionazis can be throttled into submission. I just think it would be such fitting karmic payback were Israel to suddenly experience a wave of severe illness due to immunological suppression from the inhalation of the results of its homicidal actions. Then we could all point our fingers up toward the sky, hold our noses and shout: "Looks like karma sucks when your god has done let you down folks".

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gypsy33's avatar

👍👍👍!!!

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gypsy33's avatar

Vin, I’d be happy to help with my Kalashnikov 😁

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Knew we could count on you dear gyp.

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vansdan's avatar

america is literally the grim reaper, and israel is its child. the genocide of the native americans is being repeated, but this time in 4k. we cannot undo the native american genocide, but we can stop the west asia genocide.

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Mary's avatar

So tell me how you plan to stop it, since all efforts have failed so far and it's hurtling to the final conclusion?

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Americans won’t do what’s needed. They talk, but won’t act. Most Americans are still blissfully unaware or just don’t care about what’s happening. The American society, much like Israel’s have been brainwashed and manipulated into becoming soulless monsters, who don’t possess empathy or compassion. They are selfish to the core and stand for nothing. Liberal democrats and the conservative right are almost the exact same thing. They both share the same sociopathic traits.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Crump

That’s because Amerikkka was built on genocide as well; that of the Native Americans and Africans kidnapped for the slave trade.

How many Amerikkkans consider this?—-that this country was built on the backs of slaves? How many mainstream candidates have offered reparations for their descendants?

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

I agree.

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

It is the same here in the UK. Exactly the same.

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Mary's avatar

How?

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CK's avatar

Start by end ending all military aid and weapons to Israel.

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Mary's avatar

Well yes obviously but that's not something I, personally, can do!

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CK's avatar
2dEdited

You can badger your members of Congress, repeatedly, if you’re a constituent. Do that by phone calls, emails and petitions. Many members of Congress don’t want hardcopy letters.

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Mary's avatar

We don't have 'members of congress' in the UK. My own MP, who has had sackfulls of letters from me, is against the genocide. But he and his party are constantly overruled by our genocidal PM, who makes all the decisions

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CK's avatar

Recruit as many of your friends, relatives and enemies to join your efforts to badger their MPs and the PM and your King and princesses and princes.

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JennyStokes's avatar

SHUT DOWN Mainstream Media!

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John Mann's avatar

Mary - do you mind me asking who your MP is?

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JennyStokes's avatar

NULL and void>. These people who you think can support you are nothing BUT Zionist sympathisers.

SHUT down Mainstream Media.

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CK's avatar

Unfortunately, much of the MSM is owned by a few Zionist billionaires

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JennyStokes's avatar

What you 'personally' can do is SHUT down Mainstream Media. MSM

I keep repeating this.

WHY are you not protesting outside MSM?

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martin's avatar

conspire with a group of 20 friends to begin with and start a communist party (maybe read the manifesto, that's enough to begin with). it don't matter what they taught you about it or that you don't 'believe' in it. it matters that they really don't like that kind of 'resistance'. built from there, come together first.

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MakeTheWorldSafeForDiversity's avatar

If people think that this only affects Palestinians they are wrong. They should oppose this genocide because it shocks the conscience, but if that doesn't convince them then they should understand that the tactics learned by israel and the usa in Gaza will be repeated in future conflicts. Just like Laos was used for a new generation of bombing warfare, Gaza is being used as a laboratory experiment for how future extermination can be carried out of people living on land/resources that others believe they deserve.

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dale ruff's avatar

Israel's genocidal destruction of Gaza is also destroying Israel, not from the outside, but from the inside as the justification and execution of brutality rots the core. There are millions of Israelis who do not justify these war crimes and they represent the future of Israel as a nation, as Germany did after the Nazi era, which must face the truth of its evil past and heal through a full recognition of the truth. Those like the US government, which have supported and armed this brutality, are also causing a rot within the US, which to the extent it weakens US hegemony, is a blessing in disguise but like an operation, is full of pain and bleeding. Let us, while opposing those engaged in this evil, also join with those who are ready to stand with us, of all backgrounds, including Jewish, to honor the rights of the oppressed and stand up for and with the victims.

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CK's avatar

The US mass media continues to portray Israel as the hapless victim of Palestinian aggression.

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gypsy33's avatar
2dEdited

‘Scuse me Dale.

According to Aaron Mate, 60% of IsraHellis don’t believe that the IGF is doing ENOUGH.

The number of Israelis who do not support the genocide is infinitesimally small.

As for Israhell’s “future of a nation”…

AIIN’T ONE!

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dale ruff's avatar

A recent poll refutes his belief: "A majority of Israelis continue to support a ceasefire agreement with Hamas in exchange for the release of all remaining hostages, according to a new poll published by the Kan public broadcaster.

In the survey of 602 respondents, 56% said they would back a deal that includes both the return of all hostages and an end to the war in Gaza. Only 22% opposed such a deal, while another 22% said they were unsure.

The findings highlight an ongoing rift between the Israeli public and Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who reiterated over the weekend that he would not support such an agreement if it meant leaving Hamas in power." Israelis want hostages back and peace!

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gypsy33's avatar

Oh for FUCK’S SAKE, Dale.

They only want the so-called hostages back. They don’t give a tinker’s motherfucking damn about the Palestinians.

STOP. KIDDING. YOURSELF.

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JennyStokes's avatar

YOU Dale are becoming a 'nonentity' on here.

I ask you one question: Why are the Israelis called 'hostages?'

Thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israhell are NOT called 'hostages.' WHY?

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gypsy33's avatar

Right.

On.

JENNY!

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Dale Ruff (or whoever he really is) needs to be ignored. I've noticed a few Zionist tendencies in his comments - I don't trust this person.

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dale ruff's avatar

Only fascists, like the Israelis who deny that Palestinians even exist, try to reduce other humans to non-entities. What are you fascists doing on a platform devoted to human dignity and liberation. The Israelis are called hostages as the Palestinians call those locked up in the West Bank without charges hostages because they have been kidnapped and denied any due process. "The youngest hostage still in captivity in Gaza, Kfir was just shy of 9 months old when he was kidnapped during the Hamas-led terrorist attack Oct.7, 2023. On Saturday, he turned 2, having never known a birthday outside captivity.

Along with his 5-year-old brother, Ariel, and his parents, Yarden and Shiri Bibas, Kfir is among the 33 hostages expected to be freed during the first phase of the ceasefire deal, according to the Israeli government. "

On the other side: " Israel’s Ofer Military Court renewed – for the third time – the administrative detention order for 14 year-old Palestinian child, Ammar Sobhi Muhammad Abdul Karim, according to a Telegram statement by the Samidoun Prisoner Solidarity Network.

Karim was first arrested by Israeli forces in August 2024, during a raid on his family home in Abwein village near Ramallah, and has been held in administrative detention since.

The administrative detention process allows for Palestinians to be held in Israeli prisons without trial. According to Addameer, a Palestinian prisoner support group and human rights organisation, there are approximately 3,500 Palestinians being held in administrative detention at the moment. "

All are hostages, victims. "

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dale ruff's avatar

Hamas took hostages; Israel has hostages (administrative detainees). I call them hostages and why Israel does not is obvious, so, Jenny, your opinion is worthless and I am finding many positive responses here and a few assholes who want to divide us, suggesting they are Zionist provocateurs trying to get us fighting each other rather than uniting. I urge you to end your verbal abuse and join the movement to end the conflict.

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gypsy33's avatar

Anyone who believes Jenny’s opinion is “worthless” does not belong in Caitlin’s family, pal!

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"There are millions of Israelis who do not justify these war crimes..."

Oh for Pete's sake - stop being a Zionist, and stop trying to play the victim when someone points out the fallacies in your arguments.

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gypsy33's avatar

Y’all tell him, Chang!

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

🎯💯 So true MTWSFD! Thank you!

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GS-z-14-1's avatar

US and Western supporters of the Gaza genocide will bear the same weight of guilt for which tyrants and monsters from Ramses II to Idi Amin are remembered.

Genghis Kahn has nothing on Biden and Trump. They owe Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot apologies for malicious words against them while duplicating their crimes.

Demand trials. Prosecute. Seize all their material assets. Apply these to begin restoring what they destroyed.

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Major Depressive 🎢's avatar

Debank the war criminals.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Look at many of the historical rulers who now are seen as heroes.

Most were just glorified sociopaths.

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JennyStokes's avatar

This argument of yours Feral is getting 'old.'

SHUT down Mainstream Media (MSM) pull the plugs out.

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Raymond Kalberg's avatar

The American/British Zionist coalition has no respect for international law and it is they who are the usurpers of the Palestinians basic human right to life and liberty. The ignoble cause of the Zionist state by any means is oppressive and by it's very nature doomed to fail.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Caitlin I am one with you!

"There’s too much religious tolerance in our society. If you believe your religion tells you to support an active genocide, then everyone should call you an asshole and tell you to get different beliefs".

Or do without any belief at all....

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Mary's avatar

Love your guts and agree with every word.

Sharing. (For all the good it'll do)

People are still scared to 'take a side''. Nt half as scared as the inhabitants of Gaza, though.

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gypsy33's avatar

Mary, anyone who is scared to take a side needs to be thoroughly beaten.

I volunteer.

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JennyStokes's avatar

IN the USA: You take over countries that do NOT support your politics. This is called BULLYING.

Cowardly people in the USA!

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M F's avatar

Deities or Deity, ever the smoking gun: sometimes literally.

Huckabee and his ilk should be deported for un-American and TERRORIST speech and support--say, to Iran--by ICE.

USA has always been mismanged by rank hypocrites.

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Dx's avatar

Iran doesn't deserve that sort of treatment.

Get a convoy of Space-x, Blue origin and Boeing rockets to take them on a one-way trip in the general direction of the sun.

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M F's avatar

Oh, Mars would do. If they even make it, they will freeze and starve.

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Dx's avatar

I'd previously suggested Mars but someone pointed out that wouldn't be fair on any Martians that had so far managed to avoid contact with humans.

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M F's avatar

It wouldn't be fair to Martians even if they are just microbes.

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Dx's avatar

And it's up for debate whether Huckabee, Trump, Musk, Netanyahu et al. qualify as ‘human’.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Why would you do that to Iran? They literally just want the US to leave them and their allied countries, alone. They are anything but the aggressors. They are the victims of the Empire. Ship him to El Salvador and let him be in the general population. He won’t live more than a couple hours, at best.

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M F's avatar

Or just put him in Rikers, same effect?

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gypsy33's avatar

Only if the Iranians would toss him into a black hole.

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The Underdog's avatar

The other cohort of people that greatly bother me are the ones that foist a false neutrality. They try to argue that 'Arabs and Israelis deserve each other', that's they're okay if they destroy each other, but this isn't some even-stevens cage match. Israel gets disproportionately far more military financing - from taxpayers' backpockets - than the Palestinians do.

You cannot look at the mass murder of children and say they deserved it without admitting that your conscience is lacking. It's not turning a blind eye to a wider conflict; it is turning a blind eye to the massive amounts of abuses (of all nations!) that enable this conflict. It says 'I accept my taxes being stolen and redirected to kill foreign children I have never met, to have the military forcefully drafted into war against countries who aren't even hostile to me, so long as I delude myself into imagining the fight is somehow magically even'.

Who prides themselves on such faux neutrality? It is disgusting.

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dale ruff's avatar

At risk of being trashed, I want to say I totally agree with Caitlin (you can't be neutral on a moving train, the name of book by the late Howard Zinn) AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I would wager that almost all of us hear arlye Caitln fans and agree 95% with her....and so when she tells the indifferent folks that they are assholes for not taking a position, she is 1) not speaking to those assholes and 2) she is venting rage and hatred (which we all feel) before those who don't need the lecture.

Therefore, I propose that what we need, those of us who agree that US is an evil Empire, that Israel is committing genocide, that we need a political revolution, is NOT to hear what those not present need to hear, but analysis, strategies, and inspiration and encouragement to continue a struggle where we often find ourselves turning on each other rather than uniting to contribute to the change that is needed.

I fear this recommendation will not be read favorably by some, those with a kind of cultlike mind that does not tolerate diversity of views and constructive criticism, but frankly, to speak at age 84 and with the privilege of advanced age not to mince our words, I don't give a fuck whether you agree with me or not. I am throwing out an idea to conserve energy and focus it in the most effective ways. If you agree, then say why. If you do not, then rather than castigate me, who doesn't give a shit and is immune to personal attacks after 65 years on the left, present YOUR ideas that you favor over mine and we can broaden the discussion to entertain new ideas, since frankly, we are losing the battle today, tho there is opportunity to seize the day in the future if we are prepared. So please, with all due respect, let us figure out together, testing many ideas, how we can help bring about change.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Destroy the Mainstream Media: Protest outside these offices and make the so-called Journalist and TV Presenters uncomfortable.

Call out their names.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

I killed my TV years ago !

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Major Depressive 🎢's avatar

There are Zionist supporters who read Caitlyn and you'll know them by their attacks against commenters. Also, Caitlyn provided a steady stream of original thought about this genocide and probably gets new readers who have much to learn. So I say she needs to keep on posting!

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Megan Baker's avatar

Caitlyn sharpens how I think about the genocide, which helps me argue better against Israel defenders. Like it or not, our side must support our outrage with well-reasoned rebuttals to Zionist BS. As for action, I support BDS and participate in banner drops, which remind thousands of people that the genocide's still happening. Longer term, to resist the empire and do our part against Israel, we absolutely must win white men back. This group's largely gone over to the dark side, making it a vital asset to those we're trying to defeat. It shouldn't be on the side of the oligarchs or Israel, yet the left spends little to no time trying to figure out why it is, so I write/talk about it. I think public school is a major reason we've lost white men, especially young ones, and this gives my agitation against that institution extra urgency. (I'm for public education spending; I'm against industrial schooling.) Another big reason is identity politics and the contempt leftists have for white men, contempt they're acutely aware of and resent, understandably, so I rail against that too. Upshot: we must abandon identity politics and develop empathy for white boys and men who've been victims of the ADHD/"learning disability" trap that public school's become for them. We must talk about child abuse and acknowledge that every demographic does it; that is, we need to admit that white boys are subject to abuse and injustice like every other kid. More immediately, we must turn the tables on how things are viewed: anyone who supports Israel is on the side of cowardice, dishonor, and parasitism. (For this last one, I have a sign that reads "No More Welfare for Israel!") We need signs and t-shirts that show the altitude from which the IOF drops bombs on civilians. This is a message we can confront white men with, because they want to believe Israel is rugged, brave, and righteous. So I think there's plenty we can do that's concrete and helpful, especially long-term, though obviously it doesn't have the immediate effect we want: a complete end to the genocide.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

What is the dark side to you. The democrats are also the dark side, but they do it with joy.

Until people understood the dems are also a party of the empire, controlled by the oligarchy, there will be no change.

The dems are not on your side and never will be. Capitalism is the root of the problem. The capitalist elites that rule our society are our enemy.

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Megan Baker's avatar

I said nothing about the Democrats. By "dark side" I mean the way so many white men have been drawn to white supremacy, anti-immigration xenophobia, Israel's psychosis, American authoritarianism, etc. Good luck convincing them that capitalism has to go when they're convinced the Dems are "far left," lol.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Those are all things that both parties represent. So technically, they haven’t gone anywhere.

I have no such delusions on convincing anyone of the truth. America’s citizens won’t save themselves, that’s for damn sure.

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Megan Baker's avatar

Got it. So while you're at the barricades, I'll be working on trying to get white men to understand why they identify with Israel, Trump, and other aggressors who don't give a shit about them. You can dismiss it as pointless but I disagree.

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martin's avatar

one can do both, imo.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

A political revolution indeed. One that rids us of the two empirical parties. Don’t come on here with the BS about Bernie Sanders and AOC. They are corporate democrats, Zionists and capitalists to the core. You can’t be a democrat and not be one. The people need to own the means of production. Equality for the people will stem from that and only from that. Anything less will continue to keep us slaves to the capitalists.

I’ve been immune to personal attacks since my teenage years, and I’m now over 500 years old. Talk about someone who doesn’t give a fuck.

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dale ruff's avatar

I really don't give a fuck, but I do forgive you your fascist hate speech.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Fascist hate speech?

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Feral Finster's avatar

The US is an evil empire. Duh.

And no, "vote Team D" will do nothing to change that.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

I know that’s been Dale Ruffs revolutionary idea. Get on board with Bernie and AOC. He also condemns Hamas, and believes in Israel’s right to self defense. I’m no fan of his BS.

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Feral Finster's avatar

That's Dale's entire schtick, making excuses for Team D and trying to sheepdog us to vote for Team D. Sure, they'll help out in the genocide, but at least they won't misgender the Palestinians they murder, that would be inexcusable.

Before, he was ladling on the excuses for Harris and her utter silence on Gaza following the election. Before, the excuse was that Harris had to be a Good Little German. Except now she no longer owes anything to Biden or to anyone else, but still she says jack-all.

Good luck trying to sheepdog a cat.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

lol! 👌

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martin's avatar

i'll throw in 'join the acp'.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

Trashed no, you have my admiration, in these bubble silos its not easy nor welcomed to criticize . Here we are commenting on an another well written piece, but the fact is there is never anything concrete, never any suggestion what one might do other then being informed and lighting a candle. I`m seriously beginning to wonder what if Substack is not also part of the problem, are we being distracted , do we console ourselves by clicking a like , feeling informed , but ultimately do nothing? So we gt tried of Twitter (X) , FB , Youtube ...etc now find ourselves in self-constructed silos reading post from only those we agree with, ... and many writers will not even allow the reader to comment unless they pay for the privilege, applaud Caitlin for allow comments by free loaders like myslef.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Things to help facilitate change won’t be discussed here. When you’re limited to small groups, you have to take alternate avenues.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

Your comment reinforces my concern that we are being distracted , though I`m not sure its deliberate in Caitlin`s case , strangely enough she has not monetize her posts as many other have.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Big brother can see and hear everything. You have to find people in your local, not through avenues like this.

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Shae Scully's avatar

Hi Caitlin

This is one of your finest pieces, thank you.

I support this stated article 100%.

I feel ashamed for the entire human race. I find it difficult to understand that somehow the current tactics of the new US administration is a strategy to topple the Empire puppeteered by the Zionist Cabal!, however I am praying that it be so, although I do not subscribe to the concept of the sacrifices of a few for the greater good.

God sees everything, it will be Good that will judge all of our souls when our times come to meet our maker, and account for our behaviours.

May God forgive us all for our participation in this most vile, and evil act of human destruction.

Sincerely

Shae Scully

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CK's avatar

Every administration since the Truman Administration has supported the Israeli oppression of Palestinians. The intensity may be increasing but the objectives are still the same.

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Shae Scully's avatar

I understand…

At what point does the City of Washington stop taking orders from their puppeteers in Switzerland/London/Rome/& ?

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CK's avatar

The members of Congress and Supreme Court will react when a substantial number of their constituents become unified and vocal in demanding and end to the illegal nonsense.

5 or 6 million constituents outnumber the total population of military and law enforcement personnel.

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martin's avatar

the prospect of forgiveness doesn't help.

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Mary's avatar

I agree. I'm in the UK, almost equally complicit if not so brazenly vocal about it. But we are equally powerless to stop it when marches, letters, protests, boycotts just fall on deaf ears at best, and result in jail time at worst. Which would be tolerable if it yielded results. But it doesn't!

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KHGUAN's avatar

Whatever the Christians say about the "evils" of the Aztec Pantheon or any other heathen religion they think is "barbaric"; I would like to put a mirror in front of them.

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