There must be money involved, somehow. Trump just accepted a 400 million dollar gift from Qatar. But I hope my cynicism is off and the whole world is really turning against genocide.
Actually Hamas and the dozen other factions in the Palestinian Resistance are not because they are real soldiers who know how to fight, not cowards playing with techo drones and dropping bombs from a safe height and shooting toddlers in the head and heart from a distance.
I am speechless, which is fortunate for both of us. Stating a simple fact gets this type of response is a characteristic of the disembodied nature of the digital world we inhabit online. Breathe and slow down, hug your cat and plant a tree.
Susan T. Trump will no doubt accept the Qatar gift of an aircraft. At the end of his reign, selling it could assist in the building of the Trump Country Club in Gaza.
However, the gift will no doubt be welcomed by Trump. It would be fair to say that there would be little else other than money, or a personal aircraft, both being extravagant ego trips that would excite a megalomaniac like Trump.
But would that make a difference? He still has to break ranks with Israel and that could be very risky.
One remembers Epstein who died of his own making (let’s continue the Hans Christian Andersen version), Ghislaine Maxwell tucked away securely for 20 years and even more commitments for him to continue the Israel crimes which could be based on such matters.
As I have said before referring to a piece of American history in 1963, Presidents can be assassinated and have been in the past. In that case, a sad event indeed.
Think on this. How could any human being be an enthusiastic partner in the inhumane crimes of Israel without some other motivation….. other than money?
But look. This is what America has to do to return to normal (US normal, that is).
It has to overcome probable 10% of the US population who are connected, controlled, owned by Israel; convince 86% of all the US politicians (AIPAC-owned); subdue the Davos bunch; calm down the City of London bankers and investors (very quiet behind the scenes, names predominantly starting with “R” ); all the European money men (been there for years); entrepreneurs by the score; the Blackrocks of the world; military industrialists who need wars for profits; probably less than 5% of the Western world populations ……..but 100% of Western governments however (such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Germany, France, UK); the Israel government including 97% of the supporting population and then,…...90% of the world media, predominantly controlled by and supporters of Israel / US crimes.
We hope so, of course. But if history tells us anything, it is that justice against imperialist aggression has the spirit of the god's swift Olympian messenger Hermes, but the lard-ass density of insensate inaction of that shithead man-child Marco Rubio.
I wouldn't disagree with that analysis at all. I cite the mythical Hermes versus the lard-ass mediocrity Rubio, however, for quite obvious reasons: rate of change. I'm an old molecular biologist picturing enzymes and activation energies. I want to see these bastards prosecuted and/or hung upside-down in Palestine ala Mussolini's treatment by Italian partisans in Milano.
But after all the condemnations by international bodies, high courts, institutions established after the last World War to ensure [Ha] the non-repeat of such atrocities, nothing of substance has transpired(save your increased radicalization -- I grant you). So, you will forgive me; for I know the probability of my witnessing justice before I die; it is small.
‘I want to see these bastards prosecuted and/or hung upside-down…’
So soon as my eyes fell on those words, two things happened simultaneously. 1] My mind went straight to ‘Il Duce.’ 2] I realized that we are of the same generation, and that like you, I will likely not live to see these things.
That said, one can spread and act as if seeing that day is their sole civic aspiration.
In this year’s ‘May Day’ observance, World Socialist Web Site International Editor David North noted the same promises, plus the fact that they have [obviously] forgotten.
I'm thinking, of course, of Eichmann's abduction from Argentina by Israeli agents - how interesting that Hannah Arendt has just been named amongst the top 250 Americans scheduled by Trump to be honored in the National Garden of American Heroes. Let's hope Mr Tangerine Man doesn't inadvertently stumble across "The Origins of Totalitarianism" before she gets her place in the metaphoric sunshine, and then decides instead to erase her from history through damnatio memoriae...
Perhaps not the US defense contractors who profit from it. Their business models are based upon the prosecution of perpetual wars and the fear of perpetual wars. They also employ several millions of American workers whose paychecks have an economic multiplier effect in their communities.
Genocide is ongoing, every day Israel slaughters more civilians and is starving an entire population in its effort to eliminate the Palestinian population of Gaza . It’s about time that the world press wake up and call out Israel.
That is amazing after all this time, there must be a new agenda. Which is cynical but I have learnt nothing is done by the pressditutes without a plan.
There is no new agenda, only a recognition of material reality by Big Oil and the MIC. Israel is now a liability for them, therefore the Empire's support for Israel is being withdrawn.
The US military weapons manufacturers will need to find new sales opportunities. They never fail to do so, with the support of the US Congress. Several million US jobs depend upon that.
Of course, the government could simply pay all of the defense contractors’ employees — including those of their supply chains— to stay at home or to participate in community service. The taxpayers’ expense would be the same, but without the pollution, waste of materials and destruction of lives and infrastructure.
True, many jobs are created by the arms industry. But in a country where so many things are in desperate need of attention, why is making stuff to kill people the only option for making a living?
Aside from mercenaries, defense contractors don’t kill people. They will manufacture whatever the government pays them to design, engineer and manufacture for guaranteed profits. Ask “the government” to answer that question.
Hint: most of the exceptionally wealthy are willing— perhaps grudgingly— to support taxation for the armed forces and law enforcement to protect their personal property. They aren’t eager to pay much for the support of society in general.
And those arms factories could be re-tooled to make things that are non-lethal and helpful for ordinary people... But capitalists don't like spending money on re-tooling factories when there's so much profits to make in arms manufacturing.
"....the government could simply pay all of the defense contractors’ employees — including those of their supply chains— to stay at home............." With the trillions of dollars saved over the years they could be rechannelled into a major domestic infrastructure program.
Of course. However, fear of war is a motivator to support taxes for the military-industrial complex. Not as many Americans are willing to pay taxes for domestic infrastructure, healthcare, education.
The billionaires and mega-millionaires don’t need much in the way of domestic infrastructure, healthcare, etc. They can afford to pay for the best for themselves. They can buy private aircraft, ocean-going yachts, mansions and villas around the world. Most of them do not directly participate in wars. They profit from them.
Hm... saving trillions by not going to war, investing them in infrastructure, lifting tens of millions out of poverty, improving the national economy. Somehow this reminds me of somebody. Feels like it's on the tip of my tongue... (Rhymes with mynah)
You’re right, too much blood money for the overall agenda to change.
I meant the part the press is playing….this is probably a distraction , so people stop protesting and think the battle has been won . That they are on our side, in an ideal world they would be , but this is far from an ideal world.
I hope this does not mean that the genocide has essentially been accomplished? Western states always normalize and even apologize AFTER a genocide has been completed
It's just very hard to believe that the empire would openly throw its Zionist apartheid entity under the proverbial bus if it was not forced to do so by real military resistance and potential (Yemen, Iran...)
Perhaps the pressure is too great? Perhaps they do need an out? Perhaps they realise Israel as a State cannot survive international public opinion, let alone international law? Perhaps they realise they can't survive the attacks from Yemen on their economy? Perhaps too many Israelis are trying to leave or have left?
Maybe the Israeli billionaires will now exist in a supranational way like US ones?
We don't want any of those Israeli Jews here. Jews have already damaged our democracy too much. It's disgusting. We should require that they submit themselves to deprogramming from the cult they identify with.
Yes. Whenever I try to bring up the evil of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with average Americans, they regurgitate faithfully, the propaganda inculcated in their (and my) high school history class; "it was necessary to save millions of American soldiers "! Even when I tell them that contemporary scholarship has put the lie to that, that it was simply to impress and send a message to the Russians, they don't realize the implications.
Abomination and vast moral turpitude is beyond their willingness to grasp, because it will require forever that they change their opinion about what the nation is, and who they are . they can't bear the cognitive dissonance.
I admit it is a lot to deal with. Let me stop here. Oh the horror, the horror...
Because Israeli were too slow to complete the task.
It would not be the first, neither last case where US admitted atrocities after the fact and after a massive smear campaign.
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Mission accomplished for Israel. Next mission is already in works. Let's give some admission to gullible so that their anger can subdue and drown under forgetfulness, promise to punish those who are guilty but actually never find who was guilty.... rinse and repeat.
My thought exactly... What took them so fucking long? Did their "conscience" not bother them until they saw the writing on the wall and wanted to cover their asses? Sigh!
At least the Tory admitted, by pretty clear implication, that he had gotten it wrong for his entire 20 year career. By contrast, the editorials almost dripped with condescending moralizing; as if their authors actually expect that their readers will just forget 75 years of complicity and support for actions which have been explicitly genocidal for the entirety of that time.
The MSM is attempting to save what little credibility they still have. The Tory is pretending that it took 11/2 years of a genocide to realize that there was a problem with Israel. He is just another rat trying to leave the sinking ship.
Just remember, this may be a change in narrative, not a change in the fundamental end goal. Colonialism changes narrative when they lose control of it, then aligns with the dominant narrative until they can reshape it to regain the populous. It’s all theatrics. An act called “Emotions” in a play called “Control for the ruling class”
Most likely. They did the same trick with Zelensky calling him a dictator. Once they got all they needed, he became "great" again, and weapon deliveries to kill Russians resumed.
The late journalist John Pilger met Nazi propagandist Leni Reifenstahl in the 1970’s. “She told me that the “patriotic messages” of her films were dependent not on “orders from above” but on what she called the “submissive void” of the German public.
Did that include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie? I asked. “Yes, especially them,” she said”
"Leni Reifenstahl in the 1970’s.............." What she or any other former Nazi elites said at that time was nothing more than self-serving and consequently meaningless.
It is strange that it's happening all at once in the British press. As others here have said, this may be a movement against "this" government and PM, but what about the next one? Or, indeed, any Israeli government since its founding on stolen land? Only a couple of Israeli administrations have even hinted at the injustice of a people moving in en masse and terrorizing the existing populace to get them to flee to a strip of land you can now surround with razor wire.
The responses by the press are not only coordinated n Britain but in the entire West for an obvious reason. I'm American but linguistic, and read articles in the European press that looked like translation from the NY Times.
That cannot happen, for that general support you speak of is already gone. These establishment mouthpieces would not be saying what they are saying if this was not so.
".............but once he is out, general support for Israel will remain........." I agree, once this horror show is over and Netanyahu is gone, everything will be blamed on him, ignoring that his policies were supported by over 80% of the Israeli population.
Reno, I'll go with your guess, because I guessed this on Oct 8. But it's only a guess, and I could be wrong. However, what will the Jewish Lobby do? I find it hard to believe that Jew Power will diminish in the West. So my best bet is that Israel will return as a great effort of survival fo Jews against the world, and Netanyahu will be made a scapegoat, afterwhich the slow burn kind of genocide and ethnic cleansing that Israel has been conducting since its inception will continue. But interspersed will be extremely violent excursions, just like those events that dot the past. It will be soon business as usual. If you're interested in knowing the humongous nature of the Jewish Lobby, here's a link on the list of Jewish political organizations that make up that Lobby:
".............It will be soon business as usual......." I don't think so, Jim. I'm very familiar with the effectiveness of the Israel lobby. But their effectiveness is based on financing pro Israel politicians and the MSM singing their tune. After the horror show in Gaza, money won't be enough to get a pro Israel politician elected once the pro Israel propaganda is no longer is effective. The fact that even the MSM is posting denunciation of Israel tells me that the Genie is out of the bottle and can't be put in. As I pointed out in another post, the rats are leaving the sinking ship, and being identified as a rat does not bod well if you need public support. Regardless how much money you spent on your campaign. This is what will undermine the effectiveness of the lobby.
Reno, you're much more optimistic than I am, and I genuinely hope you're right.
But you must realize the humongous power of the Jewish Lobby. With due respect, you mislable it as the Israel Lobby, which indicates that you do not fully grasp what we're dealing with. The Jewish Lobby has interests that go far beyond Israel. It's also concerned with US politics and US society. Those concerns involve the legal definition and governmental/societal response to “antisemitism”; the political and/or dominant roles played by Jews in government and US society; the control of the public debate on such concerns via the formulation of a Jewish public narrative; the control of what is politically correct in such a debate; the passage of laws deemed necessary to protect Jews as a group separate from all other U.S. groups - such as the anti-BDS and "combating antisemitism" laws and incorporating the IHRS definition of "antisemitism," which insults our intelligence; the many funding methods used to transfer U.S. citizen monies tax free to Israel and its Jewish citizens, and many others.
If you go to the link I gave in this thread, you'll understand that money-wise and organization-wise, the US Jewish Lobby is the largest political interest group in the country. It's not reasonable to expect that this lobby will simply vanish because only one of its concerns are running into trouble. What do you think these creeps are up to, with the billions of dollars and thousands of offices they work with on a daily basis?
We've seen this movie before. A few cracks in the MSM narrative, alt-media supporters declare victory, a couple days later, the MSM reverts to form, often with a groveling apology.
Even assuming that this does in fact turn out to be a trend, it raises the question of why? What caused this change?
ultimately they do, imo. it's narrative control that allows one to continue other rip-offs. up to now msm managed to at least confuse +50% of populations on the genocide (tapping in to learned behaviour and undeserved 'respect').
The word's out. Israel has become a liability for Big Oil, the MIC, and thus the US Empire, therefore Israel must be either reined in or allowed to die. It really makes no difference to them, but I'll do my bit to encourage them to take Option #2.
It won't even be that hard to do now. Even Texas oilmen don't like seeing children starve to death.
"Israel has become a liability for Big Oil, the MIC.................," The real reason is that Israel has become a liability for Jews all over the world, who are now employing their Hannibal directive and are throwing the Israel project under the buss. They aware that the Israelis will have no problem to settle in other western countries.
I hadn’t thought of that, obviously partly because I’m not Jewish, but also because the majority of American Jews still blindly support Israel.
I know there is a very vocal minority on the right side of both history and the survival instinct, but I didn’t think that “Jews all over the world” who are appalled by Israel’s actions had that much power.
I would love to see some evidence to support your claim.
Interesting comment. There must be some way that Judaism will prevail, which is the prime directive for all Jews, according to their intense childhood indoctrination. Even beyond Israel. But I don't think they are that desperate yet. I think it's more likely that they will whitewash Israel by scapegoating Netanyahu, making him the source of all evil in Judaism. Judaism will sacrifice any person - Jew or non-Jew - or any number of people, in order to fulfill the prime directive that the Jewish Tribe survives forever. The reason is because the Tribe is a tremendous business model by which its leaders achieve wealth and power. How else can we explain it's survival in the last 2500 years?
But which tribes of the twelve are causing hell on earth for Palastinians? I do not think they are the tribes of Israel, the man loved by God who obeyed His laws, the only tribes given a promise of a land of peace and pkenty.
The other eleven tribes certainly broke God's laws and were condemned to wander the Earth without a homeland.
Seems to me that Israel, the state, is not part of God's plan and have broken so many of God's laws over and over and over, so it would be fulfilling His laws if that state's population were disbanded and made to follow God's laws at last. Only those against His laws support tge current occupiers of Palestine.
This cannot spare them. Nuremberg ruled that support of said crimes was itself serious political crime. Prosecution cometh.
There must be money involved, somehow. Trump just accepted a 400 million dollar gift from Qatar. But I hope my cynicism is off and the whole world is really turning against genocide.
Qatar is also the headquarters, if I am correct, for Hamas.
Wrong. Tel aviv is the headquarters of hamas
I look forward for when Jerusalem is their capital.
and that is a PROVEN fact
Qatar is an Israeli bagman, that was how the Nutty Yahoo sent money to Hamas until they were more useful as an enemy.
... hamas, who are the good guys even compared to any westerner in the comments.
Hamas is still vastly out-gunned by the combined forces of Israel and the US.
So were the Yemeni's!
Actually Hamas and the dozen other factions in the Palestinian Resistance are not because they are real soldiers who know how to fight, not cowards playing with techo drones and dropping bombs from a safe height and shooting toddlers in the head and heart from a distance.
FFS next you will be saying that Hamas is causing Climate Change and if the US economy crashes it will be the fault of Hamas???????????
That is the shitraeli catchcry - not my fault, Hamas made me do it. Everything is the fault of Hamas.
Yes I killed those emergency aid workers but Hamas made me do it.
Yes, we made bombs out of food cans so we could watch starving Palestinians, particularly kids, blow themselves to pieces but Hamas made us do it.
Yes I shot that three year old through the head and heart but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I shot that pregnant woman in the stomach but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I raped that Palestinian woman but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I raped that Palestinian man with my gun barrel but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I tortured that Palestinian child but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I tortured that doctor but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I tortured that old woman but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I murdered 232 journalists but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I murdered hundreds of doctors but Hamas made me do it.
Yes I murdered hundreds of thousands of children but Hamas made me do it.
while we know for fact that Hamas was created by Israel, and is currently funded by Israel.
Logic 101. The perfect never ending false flags. Who exactly is behind that mask?
I am speechless, which is fortunate for both of us. Stating a simple fact gets this type of response is a characteristic of the disembodied nature of the digital world we inhabit online. Breathe and slow down, hug your cat and plant a tree.
Nope.
Free everyone!
Susan T. Trump will no doubt accept the Qatar gift of an aircraft. At the end of his reign, selling it could assist in the building of the Trump Country Club in Gaza.
However, the gift will no doubt be welcomed by Trump. It would be fair to say that there would be little else other than money, or a personal aircraft, both being extravagant ego trips that would excite a megalomaniac like Trump.
But would that make a difference? He still has to break ranks with Israel and that could be very risky.
One remembers Epstein who died of his own making (let’s continue the Hans Christian Andersen version), Ghislaine Maxwell tucked away securely for 20 years and even more commitments for him to continue the Israel crimes which could be based on such matters.
As I have said before referring to a piece of American history in 1963, Presidents can be assassinated and have been in the past. In that case, a sad event indeed.
Think on this. How could any human being be an enthusiastic partner in the inhumane crimes of Israel without some other motivation….. other than money?
But look. This is what America has to do to return to normal (US normal, that is).
It has to overcome probable 10% of the US population who are connected, controlled, owned by Israel; convince 86% of all the US politicians (AIPAC-owned); subdue the Davos bunch; calm down the City of London bankers and investors (very quiet behind the scenes, names predominantly starting with “R” ); all the European money men (been there for years); entrepreneurs by the score; the Blackrocks of the world; military industrialists who need wars for profits; probably less than 5% of the Western world populations ……..but 100% of Western governments however (such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Germany, France, UK); the Israel government including 97% of the supporting population and then,…...90% of the world media, predominantly controlled by and supporters of Israel / US crimes.
Now that is a monumental task.
My response Susan is 13 comments below. at this hour and on this day.
Subject to change, of course.
We hope so, of course. But if history tells us anything, it is that justice against imperialist aggression has the spirit of the god's swift Olympian messenger Hermes, but the lard-ass density of insensate inaction of that shithead man-child Marco Rubio.
It will be necessary to build a mass movement to secure those prosecutions.
But the flip side is that the process of radicalization has already begun.
I wouldn't disagree with that analysis at all. I cite the mythical Hermes versus the lard-ass mediocrity Rubio, however, for quite obvious reasons: rate of change. I'm an old molecular biologist picturing enzymes and activation energies. I want to see these bastards prosecuted and/or hung upside-down in Palestine ala Mussolini's treatment by Italian partisans in Milano.
But after all the condemnations by international bodies, high courts, institutions established after the last World War to ensure [Ha] the non-repeat of such atrocities, nothing of substance has transpired(save your increased radicalization -- I grant you). So, you will forgive me; for I know the probability of my witnessing justice before I die; it is small.
‘I want to see these bastards prosecuted and/or hung upside-down…’
So soon as my eyes fell on those words, two things happened simultaneously. 1] My mind went straight to ‘Il Duce.’ 2] I realized that we are of the same generation, and that like you, I will likely not live to see these things.
That said, one can spread and act as if seeing that day is their sole civic aspiration.
In this year’s ‘May Day’ observance, World Socialist Web Site International Editor David North noted the same promises, plus the fact that they have [obviously] forgotten.
Justice American style is more like Luigi. 126 gun deaths a day in the US. He's just one more.
I'd like to be able to live long enough to see that, but I'd probably be competing with the mythical Methuselah for oldest before that happens.
When societies enter revolutionary periods, events flow with extraordinary rapidity.
Bear in mind that the Russian revolution was completed in 8 months.
Nope, we will live and celebrate in one live Caitlin party. Free Palestine!
Can I tell you I love you ha. Damn that was the description all envy : )
Never mind Eichmann in Jerusalem, how soon Netanyahu & co in The Hague?
If only…
The Hague is only for political prisoners.
A kangaroo court.
I truly hope so but I am not holding my breath.
Who knows? Imagine him being kidnapped and taken there by force. Even more unlikely, but that would be a sight to behold ...
I'm thinking, of course, of Eichmann's abduction from Argentina by Israeli agents - how interesting that Hannah Arendt has just been named amongst the top 250 Americans scheduled by Trump to be honored in the National Garden of American Heroes. Let's hope Mr Tangerine Man doesn't inadvertently stumble across "The Origins of Totalitarianism" before she gets her place in the metaphoric sunshine, and then decides instead to erase her from history through damnatio memoriae...
One day everyone will have been against this.......
Perhaps not the US defense contractors who profit from it. Their business models are based upon the prosecution of perpetual wars and the fear of perpetual wars. They also employ several millions of American workers whose paychecks have an economic multiplier effect in their communities.
That day should have been from Day One, not Day 600 plus
Of course.
"One day everyone will have been against this......."
Like everyone "was" against Iraq or Libya genocides but still enjoy Libyan or Iraqi oil as long as its price is low enough....
Oh, I know some people who will not.
always* - phenomenal book by Omer El Akkad
Genocide is ongoing, every day Israel slaughters more civilians and is starving an entire population in its effort to eliminate the Palestinian population of Gaza . It’s about time that the world press wake up and call out Israel.
Per the recent UN announcement, these countries are now legally required to send in soldiers to prevent the ongoing genocide.
We'll see who does first, and who rushes in to follow so they're not left out to dry.
Absolutely right about sending soldiers…. ABSOLUTElY !
Naval escorts for Freedom Flotillas are needed!
The US is vying for that title, they want to send in contractors, .......... to help the Israelis!!!
It was about time 40 years ago. Anyone changing their stripes now should be seen as weaselly unprincipled phonies.
Agreed, but surely 77 years ago..
Amen to that…
The world press is complicit! They're just covering their a$$es
It should have been done from Day One Not Day Two.
That is amazing after all this time, there must be a new agenda. Which is cynical but I have learnt nothing is done by the pressditutes without a plan.
There is no new agenda, only a recognition of material reality by Big Oil and the MIC. Israel is now a liability for them, therefore the Empire's support for Israel is being withdrawn.
The US military weapons manufacturers will need to find new sales opportunities. They never fail to do so, with the support of the US Congress. Several million US jobs depend upon that.
Of course, the government could simply pay all of the defense contractors’ employees — including those of their supply chains— to stay at home or to participate in community service. The taxpayers’ expense would be the same, but without the pollution, waste of materials and destruction of lives and infrastructure.
True, many jobs are created by the arms industry. But in a country where so many things are in desperate need of attention, why is making stuff to kill people the only option for making a living?
Aside from mercenaries, defense contractors don’t kill people. They will manufacture whatever the government pays them to design, engineer and manufacture for guaranteed profits. Ask “the government” to answer that question.
Hint: most of the exceptionally wealthy are willing— perhaps grudgingly— to support taxation for the armed forces and law enforcement to protect their personal property. They aren’t eager to pay much for the support of society in general.
And those arms factories could be re-tooled to make things that are non-lethal and helpful for ordinary people... But capitalists don't like spending money on re-tooling factories when there's so much profits to make in arms manufacturing.
"....the government could simply pay all of the defense contractors’ employees — including those of their supply chains— to stay at home............." With the trillions of dollars saved over the years they could be rechannelled into a major domestic infrastructure program.
Of course. However, fear of war is a motivator to support taxes for the military-industrial complex. Not as many Americans are willing to pay taxes for domestic infrastructure, healthcare, education.
The billionaires and mega-millionaires don’t need much in the way of domestic infrastructure, healthcare, etc. They can afford to pay for the best for themselves. They can buy private aircraft, ocean-going yachts, mansions and villas around the world. Most of them do not directly participate in wars. They profit from them.
Hm... saving trillions by not going to war, investing them in infrastructure, lifting tens of millions out of poverty, improving the national economy. Somehow this reminds me of somebody. Feels like it's on the tip of my tongue... (Rhymes with mynah)
But, but, but...... socialism!!!!!!!
Sounds good to me.
😅
That would be great , especially if it happened quickly, too many have already died .
May your words come true, Ohio Barbarian
One child death was too many… I say ‘Toolittle too late’ for anyone who supported genicidal actions at any time.
Agree John , it is too little and disgracefully far too late
New agenda? The United States didn't send billions in weapons and bombs for nothing........ cmon now
You’re right, too much blood money for the overall agenda to change.
I meant the part the press is playing….this is probably a distraction , so people stop protesting and think the battle has been won . That they are on our side, in an ideal world they would be , but this is far from an ideal world.
I agree with Lily Tomlinson.
“No matter how cynical I am I find it’s not enough.”
I hope this does not mean that the genocide has essentially been accomplished? Western states always normalize and even apologize AFTER a genocide has been completed
It's just very hard to believe that the empire would openly throw its Zionist apartheid entity under the proverbial bus if it was not forced to do so by real military resistance and potential (Yemen, Iran...)
Perhaps the pressure is too great? Perhaps they do need an out? Perhaps they realise Israel as a State cannot survive international public opinion, let alone international law? Perhaps they realise they can't survive the attacks from Yemen on their economy? Perhaps too many Israelis are trying to leave or have left?
Maybe the Israeli billionaires will now exist in a supranational way like US ones?
We don't want any of those Israeli Jews here. Jews have already damaged our democracy too much. It's disgusting. We should require that they submit themselves to deprogramming from the cult they identify with.
They are losing travel privileges. No one wants a land thief in their restaurant, AirBnB, etc.
“Western states apologize” ? I am still waiting for the U.S. to apologize to the Japanese for bonbing Hiroshima and Nagasaki…
Yes. Whenever I try to bring up the evil of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with average Americans, they regurgitate faithfully, the propaganda inculcated in their (and my) high school history class; "it was necessary to save millions of American soldiers "! Even when I tell them that contemporary scholarship has put the lie to that, that it was simply to impress and send a message to the Russians, they don't realize the implications.
Abomination and vast moral turpitude is beyond their willingness to grasp, because it will require forever that they change their opinion about what the nation is, and who they are . they can't bear the cognitive dissonance.
I admit it is a lot to deal with. Let me stop here. Oh the horror, the horror...
What took them so fucking long?!
Because Israeli were too slow to complete the task.
It would not be the first, neither last case where US admitted atrocities after the fact and after a massive smear campaign.
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Mission accomplished for Israel. Next mission is already in works. Let's give some admission to gullible so that their anger can subdue and drown under forgetfulness, promise to punish those who are guilty but actually never find who was guilty.... rinse and repeat.
My thought exactly... What took them so fucking long? Did their "conscience" not bother them until they saw the writing on the wall and wanted to cover their asses? Sigh!
At least the Tory admitted, by pretty clear implication, that he had gotten it wrong for his entire 20 year career. By contrast, the editorials almost dripped with condescending moralizing; as if their authors actually expect that their readers will just forget 75 years of complicity and support for actions which have been explicitly genocidal for the entirety of that time.
The MSM is attempting to save what little credibility they still have. The Tory is pretending that it took 11/2 years of a genocide to realize that there was a problem with Israel. He is just another rat trying to leave the sinking ship.
He's just saving himself before the shit happens.
Just remember, this may be a change in narrative, not a change in the fundamental end goal. Colonialism changes narrative when they lose control of it, then aligns with the dominant narrative until they can reshape it to regain the populous. It’s all theatrics. An act called “Emotions” in a play called “Control for the ruling class”
Agreed. Leopards don't change their spots. These people are very organized conniving weasels.
Interesting possibility. Thanks.
It's a negotiating ploy in order to gain some fake sympathy during negotiations with Hamas, Houthis and Iran. Trump is setting up a Trojan Horse.
I'm going on that assumption as well. We welcome any aid to Gaza, even rhetorical, but actions matter, words don't.
Most likely. They did the same trick with Zelensky calling him a dictator. Once they got all they needed, he became "great" again, and weapon deliveries to kill Russians resumed.
Yup. If Trump really wanted Palestinians fed he’d lean on Egypt to open the border and let the food trucks in right now.
It's Israel that closed that border. For Egypt to open it would mean using forrce, what do you think Israel would do in response?
The late journalist John Pilger met Nazi propagandist Leni Reifenstahl in the 1970’s. “She told me that the “patriotic messages” of her films were dependent not on “orders from above” but on what she called the “submissive void” of the German public.
Did that include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie? I asked. “Yes, especially them,” she said”
Very insightful
"Leni Reifenstahl in the 1970’s.............." What she or any other former Nazi elites said at that time was nothing more than self-serving and consequently meaningless.
It is strange that it's happening all at once in the British press. As others here have said, this may be a movement against "this" government and PM, but what about the next one? Or, indeed, any Israeli government since its founding on stolen land? Only a couple of Israeli administrations have even hinted at the injustice of a people moving in en masse and terrorizing the existing populace to get them to flee to a strip of land you can now surround with razor wire.
Is there anything that's NOT happening "at once" in the British press lately when it comes to key geopolitical events?
The responses by the press are not only coordinated n Britain but in the entire West for an obvious reason. I'm American but linguistic, and read articles in the European press that looked like translation from the NY Times.
Thomas Friedman also wrote an op-ed in the NYT saying that the genocide must stop.
This may be against the Gaza genocide and Netanyau, but once he is out, general support for Israel will remain
That cannot happen, for that general support you speak of is already gone. These establishment mouthpieces would not be saying what they are saying if this was not so.
And we'll be back to the "working for peace" bullshit.
True BUT no-one trusts the US anymore.
The famous ‘’PEACE PROCESS”. No peace, no process, no progress.
".............but once he is out, general support for Israel will remain........." I agree, once this horror show is over and Netanyahu is gone, everything will be blamed on him, ignoring that his policies were supported by over 80% of the Israeli population.
Reno, I'll go with your guess, because I guessed this on Oct 8. But it's only a guess, and I could be wrong. However, what will the Jewish Lobby do? I find it hard to believe that Jew Power will diminish in the West. So my best bet is that Israel will return as a great effort of survival fo Jews against the world, and Netanyahu will be made a scapegoat, afterwhich the slow burn kind of genocide and ethnic cleansing that Israel has been conducting since its inception will continue. But interspersed will be extremely violent excursions, just like those events that dot the past. It will be soon business as usual. If you're interested in knowing the humongous nature of the Jewish Lobby, here's a link on the list of Jewish political organizations that make up that Lobby:
The Jewish Lobby:
https://iwasathought.substack.com/p/the-jewish-lobby
".............It will be soon business as usual......." I don't think so, Jim. I'm very familiar with the effectiveness of the Israel lobby. But their effectiveness is based on financing pro Israel politicians and the MSM singing their tune. After the horror show in Gaza, money won't be enough to get a pro Israel politician elected once the pro Israel propaganda is no longer is effective. The fact that even the MSM is posting denunciation of Israel tells me that the Genie is out of the bottle and can't be put in. As I pointed out in another post, the rats are leaving the sinking ship, and being identified as a rat does not bod well if you need public support. Regardless how much money you spent on your campaign. This is what will undermine the effectiveness of the lobby.
Reno, you're much more optimistic than I am, and I genuinely hope you're right.
But you must realize the humongous power of the Jewish Lobby. With due respect, you mislable it as the Israel Lobby, which indicates that you do not fully grasp what we're dealing with. The Jewish Lobby has interests that go far beyond Israel. It's also concerned with US politics and US society. Those concerns involve the legal definition and governmental/societal response to “antisemitism”; the political and/or dominant roles played by Jews in government and US society; the control of the public debate on such concerns via the formulation of a Jewish public narrative; the control of what is politically correct in such a debate; the passage of laws deemed necessary to protect Jews as a group separate from all other U.S. groups - such as the anti-BDS and "combating antisemitism" laws and incorporating the IHRS definition of "antisemitism," which insults our intelligence; the many funding methods used to transfer U.S. citizen monies tax free to Israel and its Jewish citizens, and many others.
If you go to the link I gave in this thread, you'll understand that money-wise and organization-wise, the US Jewish Lobby is the largest political interest group in the country. It's not reasonable to expect that this lobby will simply vanish because only one of its concerns are running into trouble. What do you think these creeps are up to, with the billions of dollars and thousands of offices they work with on a daily basis?
For instance:
The IHRA Leaders Insult our Intelligence:
https://iwasathought.substack.com/p/the-ihra-jewish-leaders-insult-our
Why? Israel was a huge mistake. The first clue was it is populated by a people unable to establish self-governance for 2000 years.
We've seen this movie before. A few cracks in the MSM narrative, alt-media supporters declare victory, a couple days later, the MSM reverts to form, often with a groveling apology.
Even assuming that this does in fact turn out to be a trend, it raises the question of why? What caused this change?
Well you can damn be sure that they didn't just get a conscience overnight. They'll be back. Watch them.
Saving their arses?
TRYING to save their arses... success not guaranteed. Hopefully.
normally one would assume that business drives these things. a sudden drop in advertising income? clicks? pr-image?
I don't think anyone buys a MSM news outlet to make money.
Regardless, it's not as if the genocide were a closely guarded secret known only to the initiates until just now.
ultimately they do, imo. it's narrative control that allows one to continue other rip-offs. up to now msm managed to at least confuse +50% of populations on the genocide (tapping in to learned behaviour and undeserved 'respect').
MSM is a loss leader in that respect.
The word's out. Israel has become a liability for Big Oil, the MIC, and thus the US Empire, therefore Israel must be either reined in or allowed to die. It really makes no difference to them, but I'll do my bit to encourage them to take Option #2.
It won't even be that hard to do now. Even Texas oilmen don't like seeing children starve to death.
"Israel has become a liability for Big Oil, the MIC.................," The real reason is that Israel has become a liability for Jews all over the world, who are now employing their Hannibal directive and are throwing the Israel project under the buss. They aware that the Israelis will have no problem to settle in other western countries.
I hadn’t thought of that, obviously partly because I’m not Jewish, but also because the majority of American Jews still blindly support Israel.
I know there is a very vocal minority on the right side of both history and the survival instinct, but I didn’t think that “Jews all over the world” who are appalled by Israel’s actions had that much power.
I would love to see some evidence to support your claim.
Interesting comment. There must be some way that Judaism will prevail, which is the prime directive for all Jews, according to their intense childhood indoctrination. Even beyond Israel. But I don't think they are that desperate yet. I think it's more likely that they will whitewash Israel by scapegoating Netanyahu, making him the source of all evil in Judaism. Judaism will sacrifice any person - Jew or non-Jew - or any number of people, in order to fulfill the prime directive that the Jewish Tribe survives forever. The reason is because the Tribe is a tremendous business model by which its leaders achieve wealth and power. How else can we explain it's survival in the last 2500 years?
But which tribes of the twelve are causing hell on earth for Palastinians? I do not think they are the tribes of Israel, the man loved by God who obeyed His laws, the only tribes given a promise of a land of peace and pkenty.
The other eleven tribes certainly broke God's laws and were condemned to wander the Earth without a homeland.
Seems to me that Israel, the state, is not part of God's plan and have broken so many of God's laws over and over and over, so it would be fulfilling His laws if that state's population were disbanded and made to follow God's laws at last. Only those against His laws support tge current occupiers of Palestine.
It seems to me you believe the writings in the Bible as authentic historical recordings. I don't.
With respect to our discussion here, I don't give a damn what's in the Bible.
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