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Jim's avatar

I recently rode my bike by a large group of liberal protesters at a major intersection holding various signs condemning Elon, supporting Ukraine, etc. Not a single sign about the genocide in Gaza. Not a peep about the demonic Israeli war machine and the US support which supplies it. I abandoned the Democratic left years ago, and this type of silence is exactly why I did.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

To my mind, you probably abandoned the center (as I did back in 1992), when I figured out that "Democrat left" was an oxymoron.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

George Galloway is my go-to for the two cheeks comment about the UK.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

Extermination of the Palestinian people is being carried out by t he United Nazi States of Genocide: 340 million slaves, pacified, brainwashed by 200,000 oligarchic vampires. Israel doesn’t control the US empire. The US empire is an oligarchic, Zionist, Nazi entity—the world’s largest death cult.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"United Nazi States of Genocide" 🎯🙏 Accurately described!

>>"The US empire is an oligarchic, Zionist, Nazi entity—the world’s largest death cult" 💯 Couldn't agree with you more! Well expressed!

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unwarranted's avatar

I think that you hit on a salient point. The blogosphere and youtube are rife with leftist critiques of the American empire, and its “relationship” with an apartheid state. That state is owned and sponsored, underwritten, and facilitated by the American empire. When intellectuals like John Mearsheimer call out the sins of the vassal state, as if it is the root of the problem, it gives shade to the rot in Washington that conducts a bloodbath in West Asia with relative indifference by the population that pays for it.

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Daniel Good's avatar

A "liberal Zionist" is just a Zionist like any other. They all believe and support the idea that it's perfectly fine for an alien population to settle in a foreign land and ask the existing population to voluntarily leave or be kicked out. this is what ALL Zionists stand for. Some claim it is because G_d gave them the right, others because they have been discriminated against or even attacked. Whatever their reason, they all share the crack-pot ideology.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Get the fuck out of my country if you work in Congress or Government for another Terrorist State you traitors. Bernie is the "New" Schumer working to sheep herd. Has he ever said "Free Palestine? Palestine has the right to defend itself. "If you're reading this, it means I have been killed" RIP Hossam Shabat..

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

100%

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Oscar Alx's avatar

Is there any war "Bernie" did not like?

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Faux Prog=BS=BernardSanders

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Are You Paid?

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Marsha's avatar

Israel, the most racist state on earth, and living off our tax dollars…. Says this old Jew.

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unwarranted's avatar

The state that underwrites it is as racist, and yes American dollars do prescribe its aggression.

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Marsha's avatar

Without US dollars, Israel would collapse. Think about it. .

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Eddie's avatar

Yes it is. It should always be an awkward time to be a liberal Israel supporter. Perhaps it's an awkward time to be a liberal in general as they are morphing themselves more into alt-right conservatives every day.

At this point, get off the liberal train or be assimilated.

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SaHiB's avatar

Make "liberal" befit a freeman again!

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

DAWN has urged the ICC prosecutor to investigate and prosecute former President Biden, State Secretary Blinken and Defense Secretary Austin for their personal roles in aiding and abetting Israeli war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide in Gaza as part of his ongoing investigation into the situations in Palestine since 2014.

https://dawnmena.org/latest/

Let’s give them our support. Maybe they will expand their complaint to include this latest US administration, and include all the leaders of the western nations supporting this genocide.

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Ray Joseph Cormier's avatar

Israel is not a Democracy no matter how many times US-Western MSM repeats the lie.

It's not a Democracy when it's for illegal Jewish settlers in the illegally occupied West Bank, but an Israeli Military Dictatorship for Palestinians with Military Courts for those who Legally resist the Israeli Occupation allowed them by the Terms of the Geneva Convention.

The Jewish settlers are the latest reincarnation of Hitler's Brown Shirts as they terrorize the defenceless Palestinians with Israeli-IDF protections.

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mois78's avatar

Geneva convention, UN, ICCJ, ... common sense...nothing work when a big pimp puts many air craft carriers in the red Sea and the Mediterranean

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GS-z-14-1's avatar

‘Chuck Schumer said in a recent interview that his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel.”’

My job as a Marxist and Trotskyist is to indict Chuck Schumer for his heinous support of this monstrous genocidal state and of the fascist programme that shapes and drives it.

Wait — did I just call Chuck Schumer a supporter of fascism? Oh — apparently so.

‘Chuck’ Schumer. His ‘left’ credentials are hereby revoked.

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Klonda56's avatar

Senator Wall Street was never liberal. He’s consistently protected and enriched the oligarchs in the US, at the expense of the common man. And he’s never seen a war of aggression or a destabilisation agenda abroad that he didn’t like.

Schumer is no liberal. Ever.

The con job was all the conservatives saying they like abortion and pretending this make them liberal. BS.

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GS-z-14-1's avatar

You touch a point of critical importance to understanding class struggle. Those who cannot assimilate the nature and workings of the ruling class in its Democratic and Republican factions together are condemned to live as political illiterates. They will be suckers for every political campaign and propagandist slogan set before them.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Cement-heads: that’s the way I think of Walz, Witkoff, and the rest of the testa di roccia (rockheads in Italian) — the useless irrelevancies dubbed “negotiators” in the current US admin. Add in Sanders (an "independent" -- snicker) and his Democrat "liberals". Sure, they’re all sellouts to the various tentacles of the Israel lobby, but these are also mostly individuals whose life experience has amounted to the continual practice of synaptic in-flexibility within an atherosclerotic political system.

Actually changing their minds is a change of state requiring such an infusion of activation energy that its probability is vanishingly small. This is what’s so disheartening about this country of which I’m a resident citizen — its socioeconomic system favors the emergence of these rock-heads.

And generation after generation of these intractable people line up to be our representatives in government.

Listening to and carrying out the will of their constituents.

Sure thing!

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Did you see the look on Witkoff's face when he reneged on the ceasefire? He did not look like someone speaking from a place of comfort. Unlike the Schumers and the Huckabees, and whether he ever was, Steve, at this moment, does not look or act like a true believer. If he ever gets off that leash, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near those who forced him to recant.

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mois78's avatar

I bet you were proud of our monkeys standing up and clapping for every word Satanyahu said in congress?

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I'm assuming that your tongue was firmly implanted in your cheek. Yes these were moments that should be strung together in a looped video and shown at the Smithsonian. A truly patriotic billionaire (another oxymoron?) might fund a new wing called "the roots of the dilemma" or something similar. I jest of course.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Bastet knows, there is little good to say about Trump, but at least liberals and democrats can pretend to care about human rights again.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Feral

Sabby Sabs had a good program on this the other night, highlighting as how Bernie and AOC are traversing the country in an attempt to exhort sheeple ( sorry, sheep) back into the Democratic Party in order to CHANGE it 😂

All the while, ignoring the obvious: START A NEW PARTY, motherfuckers, if you actually want change!

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Anthony Vera's avatar

Starting a new party requires dedication and hard work, and takes too long for careerist politicians.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

They are? I hadn't noticed. Not that I pay any attention to what they say or do.

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John Mann's avatar

Does the word "liberal" (or the phrase "the left") actually mean anything?

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JennyStokes's avatar

Not to me. As far as I am concerned there has never been a 'left' in the US.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I'd disagree, but only slightly, Jenny. There was once a blip of a Black left -- Malcolm X and those folks who truly followed him knew the score about the USA (as only the enslaved can fully appreciate). But with his death and the FBI assassination of Fred Hampton and imprisonment of other Black movement leaders, that Black leftist movement was co-opted into the American nightmare like all other movements in that direction, leaving us with only the vapors of true radicalism.

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martin's avatar

the us has a somewhat impressive left history, though. there is a reason that the reactionaries cracked down so heavy on it (so now only a few americans remember). the us labor-movement kinda invented may 1st.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Yes, you are indeed correct, going back farther in history than I considered (only my sorry lifetime, sadly). Eugene Debs et al.; a fairly active Communist party even. Probably because I experienced Malcolm and the Black Panthers directly, both as a flabbergasted child, and then later as a 22-year old advocate in 1970, when they killed Fred and began the crush of the Panthers, an early hint at how scummy the FBI was.

Kilgore Trout/Current Resident below given a good summary of the Wobblies and how that movement was crushed

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martin's avatar

black panthers were indeed the real deal.

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gypsy33's avatar

Vin, couldn’t let this one go by: my brother had the honor of hearing Malcolm X speak at Flint Junior College when he was taking pre-med there 🙂

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Honor's the right word. gypsy. There was no other like Malcolm for raw truth telling.

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gypsy33's avatar

His autobiography remains one of my favorite all time reads 🙂

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

So true! Well said Vin!

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JennyStokes's avatar

True.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jenny, not since Vietnam. How I miss the unbridled activism of those days, and the underground organizations.

I spent a lot of time in Ann Arbor during the late 60,s and early 70’s when my brother attended university there. It was known as the most radical college east of California.

We stopped a war. But not many seem interested in stopping a genocide 🤬

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

When I read your comment and remember those day, my rage against Columbia U. triples. I recall the five occupied building on campus, including the office of the president in Low Library -- that famed building fronted by the statue of alma mater whom we urinated upon freely during that month of May 1968. How we shutdown finals and forced the end of spring semester -- we dictated to the bloody university, at least at that level. And ultimately how the effing NYC cops rode horses onto campus and bloodied heads with their truncheons. But they divested part of their investments in that war. A transient "win" of course, but a win no less -- compared to the freak show of disgusting genuflection and ass kissing to Trump that's currently transpiring. Screw you alma mater!!!!!!!!!!

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Patrick Powers's avatar

I was in high school in Ann Arbor during those times. I'm a relic here in Crazyworld.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Hell no. You bear witness, bro.

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Klonda56's avatar

There has been actually. Just very small. The Working Families Party. The Green Party. The Black Alliance for peace for example.

Was bigger but basically wiped out in the 1920s to 1960’. And never recovered. And the left minority movements like the Black Panthers and SNCC were basically hunted to extinction by the police.

Now it’s basically outside of the 2 big parties.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Thank you for this.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

"liberal" has been thoroughly Orwellized. It means whatever the DNC says it means. Nowadays a liberal believes in genocide, blanket censorship, endless war, and rule by Wall Street.

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John Mann's avatar

That was pretty much my impression - which is why I pretty well never use the word.

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Klonda56's avatar

There are liberals in America. They are very few. Like single digit percentage And not in the leadership of the Dems at any level. Not even city or county.

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John Mann's avatar

So "liberal" means lots and lots of different things. No wonder everyone is confused. :-)

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SaHiB's avatar

Read the definitions from the bottom. The top definitions are neoleftist.

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Klonda56's avatar

No. In American politics it clearly refers to progressive leftists. Problem is Anerica has long had conservatives pretending to be left wing.

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JennyStokes's avatar

NO it just means white colonialism and racism.

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jamenta's avatar

Now that it is safe again, Bernie Sanders with his pretty sidekick AOC, are out saying all the good things again in their fun-filled campaign rallies, that Americans would have liked to have heard when their imbecilic, genocidal girl fondling Democrat party leader Joe Biden slept in the White House.

Don't believe either of these two professional shysters - Sanders or AOC for a bloody second. It's all smoke and mirrors. They'll sell you out faster than a cheap pocket thief. Don't believe them. Don't let them sucker you back into their rotten and corrupt party. It's a fucking con. And they know it.

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Philip Mollica's avatar

Ask Bernie to vote against sending more aid to Israel, and you'll see how much of a fucking tool he is.

He's never there when it matters.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

The respect I once had for Sanders and AOC has tanked irrevocably.

The rest of us need to take off the colonialist glasses that make anything about Israel's genocide of Palestinians, supported by the USA and the rest of the west, acceptable, and figure out how to stop it.

Here's an excellent list of products from Israel: https://boycott.thewitness.news/browse/1

Here's a way to help others not in your bubble to boycott Israel: https://www.cjpme.org/stickies_2024_en

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Thank you so much Diana for sharing those links. 🙏❤️

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

My pleasure, Chang. I wish it had occurred to me sooner.

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