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Ren Lebarbe's avatar

It never was debatable. We have been watching it in real time for the past 14 1/2 months. We have also been watching the israelis openly boasting about it and mocking those they have murdered.

Again, in real time. It is no news to anyone.

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Sam's avatar

Actually it’s been happening since 1948 when Israel made 750,000 Palestinians leave their homes and killed many more.

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/24/deception-politics-from-washington-to-tel-aviv/

Since that happened the world has done nothing to stop Israel from its decades long ethnic cleansing. It has had America’s blessing to do this while the rest of the world has done nothing to stop it. It has been planned for long before Jews were given Palestine.

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Ren Lebarbe's avatar

Yes, you are 100% correct.

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Sam's avatar

This article gutted me. Seeing how long Israel has been getting away with its murderous ways while the world has done nothing to stop it tells me that it won’t stop this current cycle of genocide either.

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Ren Lebarbe's avatar

It truly leaves me speechless. What have the Palestinians done to cause the world to turn its back on them? To ignore their suffering? To allow this horrific-beyond-words genocide to occur and continue?

The answer is “nothing”.

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John Turcot's avatar

"What have the Palestinians done to cause the world to turn its back on them?" Self-preservation is my guess....

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Susan T's avatar

I have known Israel was an unjust colonizer even before I realized how fascist Zionism is, for about 50 years. Anytime I would verbalize my thoughts I was treated as if I were somehow discriminating against Jews or was just plain stupid. I guess people just wanted to think they were doing something good for Jews in Europe who had suffered so much under the Nazis.

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John Turcot's avatar

Anytime I would verbalize my thoughts I was treated as if I were somehow discriminating against Jews" Its' a true and tried recipe....

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Ren Lebarbe's avatar

I hesitate to say this, but how that was interpreted for us - the extent and scope of that has now been called into question.

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Abendlaender's avatar

... even you ridiculous made up number comes not even close to the 1 million jews CLEANSED/DEPORTED/FORCED (not just your misleading: "made ... to leave" - so arab military had free range to attack Israel!?) out of muslim countries!

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martin's avatar

1 million jews 'made to leave' seems to be correct. it has been reported that a lot of the terrorism to drive jews out of the arab states was organised and provoked by zionist interests in order to lure jews to the divinely promised land (like reports and provocations of anti-semitism in the rest of the world today serve to herd all jews into israel to fulfill another 'divine' promise). on closer examination the 'attacks' on israel also seem 'stories by the rich and powerful'. i don't think it is beyond them to lie to and indoctrinate new generations with these stories.

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AquaTeal's avatar

The Hannibal Directive was never so openly perpetrated by the IOF as it was on Oct 7th and up until the present. They don't even try to hide it anymore.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said Martin, and thank you for setting the facts straight. Few people realize how Zionists have been (and continue) trying to persuade Jews from all over the world to migrate to Israel (using any narratives neccessary, including violence and terrorism). This trend started way before WW2 and continues to this day (as you pointed out).

Israel is NOT the safest place for Jews. Infact, one could even make the argument that Israel is the MOST DANGEROUS place for Jews (and non-Jews). Hence, Israel (and Zionists in the US) needs hardcore propaganda (hasbara) to convince people otherwise.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

Not beyond , no - but very little actual proof .

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Nikiyaki's avatar

Morroco, Yemen & Syria all tried to ban emigration of Jews to Israel. Israelis actually organised the "kidnapping" of many Moroccan Jewish children so their families would be allowed to emigrate (Operation Mural), and paid bribes to get 3000 Jews out of Syria. Zionists bombed Iraq & Egypt to encourage their Jews to flee. There are still 10,000 Jews in Iran and it must just make you seethe, doesn't it?

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Roman's avatar

I'm from the US, and it's not debated. Yesterday Mark Levin, from conservative talk radio, ranted against too much coverage of Palestinian victims, decrying how "we" never hear about Israel's suffering. He went on to say that this is a forced hand response, and basically if you don't like this, then don't make Israel do it.

There is no debate. Push them to confront reality and they will justify it.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

They have a lot of years of practice.

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Abendlaender's avatar

... must have been tuned out by all the muslim boasting and celebrating about Israeli victims!

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Ren Lebarbe's avatar

More genocidal zionist gaslighting.

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Ren Lebarbe's avatar

Abendlaender, you are full of SHITE.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

STFU!

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

We have to stop believing the fairytales of the rich and powerful of the western world.

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

Fairy tales fabricated by Hollywood!

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

That's for sure! I read somewhere that the CIA has a budget for the way it influences Hollywood. I have such a visceral reaction to most Hollywood movies I see. Most are so full of propaganda.

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Shar's avatar

That is how they've got 300+ mln plebs to worship the military, militarism, guns and violence.

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Rob Roy's avatar

I agree with all the other comments. Plus, I trust Luigi, who scared the hell out of the oligarchs. There's more of us than them.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Someone recently asked a very good question regarding Luigi. "Brian Thompson? Why not the Sacklers?"

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Most likely can’t get close enough to them. It’s surprising he got that close to Thompson. It’s why it seemingly had to be done with help.

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

And gratuitous, exaggerated and glorified violence!

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David Avenell's avatar

Yeah Diane, I agree. They've not only normalised violence, they've turned it into a form of entertainment.

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Feral Finster's avatar

12 Ball on X: "She explicitly describes attending a “spy camp” where prominent journalists and actors and CIA spooks and State department officials all hang out and coordinate narratives" / X

https://x.com/BoltzmannBooty/status/1871627660847378672

Color me shocked.

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Kojo's avatar

Lots of this in plain sight.

For example:

https://www.fdd.org/projects/barish-center-for-media-integrity/

https://www.fdd.org/media-fellows-program/

Understand that the “Foundation for Defence of Democracies” is a straight up US three letter agency cutout. So any journalist getting “education” or “fellowship” here, well there’s only one thing they are getting taught: how to reprint the false narrative and lies broadcast by the govt:

https://www.fdd.org/category/analysis/media-calls/

And then grasp the scale and reach of this network of liars, from just this one hub - page down through this here:

https://www.fdd.org/team/nsn/

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John Turcot's avatar

" I have such a visceral reaction to most Hollywood movies I see. " If you don't have any connection whatsoever to the Jewish community in Hollywood, you ain't working there.

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Oh yes, when I was a child, a long time ago, I saw many films presenting us Indians as the

evil. Indians, the native people...whose land was solen. The "Hollywood" propaganda still works.

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Abendlaender's avatar

Better stop believing leftist, muselmaniac fairy tales!

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Kojo's avatar

Was never debatable in countries outside of the so-called western world…. in the countries that mainly have experienced colonisation i.e western high-tech savagery for profit.

It’s only the western masses, pliable and brainwashed on their social media that were ever gullible enough to doubt what was going on, didn’t know that “Israel” is a made up country or that Palestine was colonised in the first place.

You’d think the existence of UNRWA would be a hint. Or the prevalence of the term “refugee camp” in descriptions of Gaza and the West Bank, not to mention Jordan and Lebanon. But no, thinking about things rigth in front of your nose is too heavy a burden to ask of the typical westerner.

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Nikiyaki's avatar

Most Westerners didn't even know about UNRWA or realise the Palestinian refugees they'd hear about every couple decades never returned home in between. Anyone who did learn, had it seared into them, but nobody wanted to listen to a rant about America & Israel being partners in inhuman misery. They sold the Islamophobia hard.

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Abendlaender's avatar

"colonised" = CIVILIZED!

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

You are a bot @

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Wren's avatar

The IDF is the most immoral army in the world and I pray God will put an end to them and their crimes as no leaders in this world seem willing to stand up to them.

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Abendlaender's avatar

IDF is the most moderate, almost masochistic "army" and I pray to God that they finally start fighting - and treat the "palestinian" barbarians with the only language that they understand: BARBARIC!

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Feral Finster's avatar

The Nazis used comparable rhetoric.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

i suggest not wasting your time with trolls, especially those paid by the word. We seem to be now in a kind of political free fall. It may be that personal survival is going to be the big question. It turns out that people actually need some kind of moral structure to maintain a working social order. It appears and the US, and maybe many other communities, no longer have one, at least above the level of immediate family and local tribe. The consequences should be obvious and rather unpleasant. But that's what people wanted.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Nobody of influence and authority cares what the readers here think. We're just peons.

Otherwise, this comments section would be clogged with dozens of folks like this guy, congratulating each other and drowning out the discourse in hundreds of copypasta comments.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

I think you and I have a somewhat different take on the events described up above. When you speak of "influence and authority", of "peons", you are describing a kind of social order which to some extent consists of people who follow certain rules, to wit, "influence and authority"; we might be talking about feudalism or warring tribes. As the Nazi philosopher Carl Schmitt observed, there is a more primitive order, in which the urgent question for everyone is not "who is my influencer, who is my authority, to what ideology should I adhere," but "who is my ally at this moment, who is my enemy?" When I say "ally" I am not referring to friendship or loyalty; I am referring to the preponderance and arrangement of forces in a hostile world where anyone may turn out to be on any side at any moment.

If you live in a society where you can blow a three-year-old's brains out because you just don't like her looks, her family name, her language, her religious fables, you can equally blow out the brains of nice, upper-middle-class people driving SUVs. Only there won't be any nice, upper-middle-class SUVs around, because obviously only a complex,"rational", orderly, highly-organized liberal-capitalist or maybe socialist society can produce them. The only thing that will matter is whether your gang can and will protect you, and you will have no guarantee of that. The other guys may have bigger clubs at the moment of truth.

Such societies have existed. I have read that in the last days of the Third Reich, there ceased to be any recognizable social order, even a Nazi one, There were instead random violent individuals and gangs roaming around. Why not, then, pop off a three-year-old who happens to get in your way? Why not go looking for one? In any case, the gangs and their members don't last very long. If you don't happen to be dead at the time one gets going, it will be taken care of pretty soon.

This is why, when the Schmittian social order really gets going, there is no use trying to decide who is good and who is bad, of deterrnmining who are the sheep and who are the goats. It is not going to matter.

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Feral Finster's avatar

No, what we are headed for is more like Brazil right now. There is an order, just that the laws apply only when people of influence and authority say they do, and how and to whom they say the laws apply. And there are nice upper middle class people in those societies, driving SUVs, no less. They don't have the monopoly on force, but they have enough to protect themselves and make sure that their orders are obeyed.

Anyway, philosophy aside, nobody who makes decisions cares what the people who read this board think.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

Psycho killer

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

If you were unlucky enough to say that in my vicinity, I’d beat the living shit out of you. People like you are always weak in person. Genocidal POS!

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denise ward's avatar

Well they are sadists. What should we expect? We have done nothing to change things. These thugs are not going to change just because we are disgusted to the bone from hearing what they do. We need some urgent action. But what? Nobody is even talking about it.

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dale ruff's avatar

AOC called it genocide, and Bernia Sanders put a proposal to end supplying Israel with weapons and got 18 to vote with him. Then Caitlin called them phonies, hurting the cause she supports, building a consensus to end US support for Israel. Like all radical change, it starts small; to criticize that is to criticize the early abolitionists, the early minority who opposed the Vietnam War, Barbara Lee who among 500 member of Congress, was the only one to vote against attacking Afghanistan, a vote that grew over time into a robust majority opposing that criminal war. Let us stand together and avoid infighting....Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.

Margaret Mead

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Kojo's avatar

“AOC” has spend her time in congress voting for weapons and money to be rained on “ISrael”.

AOC is a fake progressive, bought and paid for by AIPAC.

Stop your sad and obvious attempt to change the sordid story of AOC’s sellout.

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M.Browning's avatar

I was about to refute the claim that in the case of Palestinians & their Zionist occupiers AOC is on the right side of history but you correctly beat me to it. Furthermore AOC is worse than politicians on the right but at least with them what we see/hear is exactly who they are. AOC exploited the Green Party in order lie comfortably in the cradle of the Democratic Party establishment. Saying the word genocide then fully supporting its enabler [Genocide]Joe while backing a bill that equates anti-Zionism with antisemitism simply proves that she had been morally bankrupt the whole time.

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dale ruff's avatar

The vote on the Sanders bill to cut weapons to Israel was in the Senate, and AOC is not in the Senate. "

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Sunday defended accusing Israel of genocide against the Palestinian people and advocating for cuts to US military aid until humanitarian relief flows freely in Gaza. " Stop trying to sabotage one of the few voices that has called out Genocide and for stopping weapons to Israel as a sell out. You are hurting the cause by smearing those who have the power to force a change, while you do not. You are lying, about her being paid by AIPAC...as tho they would pay someone to call Israely attacks on Gaza genocide! How absurd, something a paid stooge would claim:

Times of Isreael headlined: "Ocasio-Cortez calls AIPAC ‘racist and bigoted’ after it criticizes her Gaza stance." You disgrace the effort to stop this genocide with your ugly and stupid lies.

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Kojo's avatar

AOC is a two faced supporter of the rogue state of Israel. ONLY such people progress in the cesspool of the Dems party and she long made her deal with the devil.

Here is one example of the truth about AOC

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/19/zblj-o19.html

AOC backs US funding of Israeli missile defense

Patrick Martin

18 October 2023

“…In an interview with CNN’s Abby Phillip on Monday night, Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked back her previous token opposition to US government aid for Israeli militarism, saying that she would now vote in support of US funding of Israel’s Iron Dome anti-missile system. Iron Dome allows the Israel Defense Forces to conduct unlimited air strikes on Gaza without any fear of retaliation by rocket attacks from Hamas or other Palestinian armed groups.…”.

No she ain’t trying to stop no genocide.

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Shar's avatar

Don't pin your hopes on any maggot who's got a toe in the congress. They have had to pledge loyalty to Israel or they wouldn't get in. Any feigning of compassion and humanity means it was their turn to act the controlled opposition.

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dale ruff's avatar

ONly the government, which sends the weapons, can stop the weapons, and to call people like AOC who has called out Israel for genocide and Sanders who sent up a bill to block US weapons maggots must be the work of a false flag provocateur. Explain how AOC< who called Israeli action genocide and Sanders who has called them out for war crimes is pledging loyalty to Israel. Is Israel paying people to call them perpetrators' of geocide? Or to offer up bills to stop sending weapons based on accusations of violating international law. You can trash any opposition as controlled, but only if you are a false flag operation, seeking to denounce even those who openly call out genocide. When MLK got hundreds of thousands of people to protest racial injustice, he did this in order to get Congress to codify the Civil Rights Act. When the Civil War became a war to not ony stop secession but end slavery, it was Congress that had to act. If you reject Congress, you join the far right in demeaning institutions with the power to effect change. Do you think this woman made a pledge to Israel: "WASHINGTON, Nov 4 (Reuters) - U.S. Representative Rashida Tlaib, the first Palestinian-American woman to serve in Congress, has accused President Joe Biden of supporting a "genocide" against Palestinians and warned of repercussions in next year's election."

Do you think Aipac is spending a hundreds of millions to defeat Congressional critics of Israel whom you claim have pledged loyalty to Israel? "As we begin a pivotal election year in the United States, we look at the powerful U.S. lobby group AIPAC, which is set to spend more than $100 million to defeat progressives who are critical of Israeli human rights violations in Palestine. That includes Michigan’s Rashida Tlaib, the only Palestinian American member of Congress. " You probably think Hamas is controlled opposition: Netanyahu did, by supporting them and enable billions in cash to flow to them. He turned out to be dead wrong, as you are.

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Shar's avatar

Bernie Sanders pro-war voting record:

1999 Bombing of Yugoslavia

2001 Invasion of Afghanistan

2006 Funding of Iraq war

2007 Funding of Iraq war

2008 Funding of Iraq war

2014 Bombing of Iraq + Syria

He has voted for HR 2446 Military Const. Voted in favor of S J Res 45 Authorization for use of US armed forces in Somalia. Voted for HR 4453 - Military Const. Voted for HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act. Voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY 98 Appropriations bill ($3 for Israel + more). Voted for HR 4059 - Military Const. Voted for HR 4655 on Iraq war...

There are more examples of his militarism and being an empire manager.

As I said before, they feign anti-war and compassion just to show the plebs there is an "opposition" in this BS democracy (TM).

AOC has a similar record, but I am not going to do your homework for you. Just going through Bernie's records has been nauseating enough.

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denise ward's avatar

Oh wow, AOC called it genocide and Sanders got some to vote with him that it is genocide? Big fn deal. It is absurd to look to these circus clowns for anything. They should be up in arms, yelling from the rafters - things are THAT bad. Why do none of them speak against vaccines I mean the bioweapon? Why do they say nothing about the UN's agenda to cull the population of the world? Why nothing about chemtrails, fluoride and poisoning of our food, air and water? You expect too little. The idea of representative government is for toddlers. Adults represent themselves especially when we are armed with a mouth and a keyboard.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

Overpopulation of hunans has destroyed the habitat of countless non-human species.

I'm awfully glad I got that polio sugar cube and didn't spend my life in an iron lung.

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dale ruff's avatar

Calling Israel's actions genocide IS yelling from the rafters, as it brings it millions of AIPAC money to defeat people like AOC and Tlaib. What you in effect have done is claimed no one with power can change things. Great: nothing changes. Good job. UN has no agenda to cull the world's population.....chemtrails are a myth. Jesus, I didn't know Caitlins fans included right wing idiots.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

AOC is a wolf in sheep’s clothing!

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dale ruff's avatar

Yes, sheep are frequently calling out Israel for genocide and finding AIPAC millions spent to defeat them.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

What, she is a status quo democrat. Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better, as an indoctrinated fool. What a joke.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I keep saying this: Protest outside Mainstream Media offices and TV Channels. Until the propaganda is smashed nothing will happen.

Name names of these people who still write lies.

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denise ward's avatar

That's an excellent idea. Even better would be if we ourselves became the new media.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Hello Denise

Who are the people who could arrange a march on the MSM (Mainstream Media)?

I am not in the USA but I think there are some people on here who could.

I am working on this in France with others who have more clout than me.....usually through Unions. BUT Unions have become political in the US.

TO my mind (at the moment) it looks to me like everyone has 'given up.' While the Israelis take more land/US supports terrorists to run Syria and more Palestinians get killed every day.

Chaos rules which is exactly what the Western World wants.

MSM are the people who we HAVE to stop.

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denise ward's avatar

I appreciate your passion and this will drive us forward. But I think it is wasteful energy to try to change the media. What we need to do that would be better for us and not squander our energy is to create a new media. Also the idea of crying about what someone dies isn't really appealing or effective. The reason for their being so bad should be the motivation for us to create something new and better and now everyone has access to a computer and camera. Notice how we keep trying to change what is and not to create what we would ideally want?

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JennyStokes's avatar

GO Denise. Create a new MEDIA!

How are you going to do this?

ANY Media that 'talks' to the TEEVEE Audience in the USA will be shut down.

It's way to late to come up with this scenario.

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denise ward's avatar

It's actually happening now. Many podcasts can be seen on all the social media platforms. Youtube censors but there are others that don't. And people are coming together talk and discuss their true thoughts and ideas. The ruling vipers cannot possibly put their fingers in the holes in the dyke now, it's way too prolific. But I think podcasters could go further and really "push the envelope".

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dale ruff's avatar

It takes Congress to change the laws, to stop the flow of weapons, etc. Join with the minority in Congress seeking to build a majority. Without this, there is nothing that will change.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Your Congress is owned by Zionists.

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dale ruff's avatar

That is a stupid claim; people like AOC and Tlaib are not owned by the Zionists and have called out Israel for genocide and had AIPAC put up millions to defeat them. I can't believe the stupidity of the people who follow Caitlin I have seen in these posts....in fact, either false flag provocateurs or nihilists.

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JennyStokes's avatar

ONE person..........Tlaib. NOT AOC

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dale ruff's avatar

AOC has called Israeli actions genocide, just like Tlaib...and there are more calling to end US support for Israel. "Rep. Ocasio-Cortez rejects all funding, donations, and support from by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). In fact, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has labeled AIPAC as an "extremist organization that destabilizes US democracy.” She also has called for halting shipment of weapons to Israel. I can only conclude that those who attack AOC are false flag provocateurs. Claiming the Zionist own a person who calls Israel's actions genocide, attacks the AIPAC, and calls for end of US military support or Israel is about as either stupid or deceptive as possible. Basically, you are claiming that the Zionists are paying AOC to call them war criminals. That's about as stupid as it gets...I can't believe Caitlins followers are so idiotic.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Does she vote against the bills that send them money? No

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Nikiyaki's avatar

Some ideas:

+ I've seen public "performance art" & infobooth protests for Palestine that are small but shocking, negating the usual complaint about protests and forcing people to be confronted.

+ Fundraise & buy billboard or ad space to get some basic info & online sources to the public. Put up flyers if that's an option.

+ Another good source for donations would be the southern Lebanese people, many of whom are Palestinian refugees. Or connect with any local Palestine/Lebanon group and know if they do anything to support their homelands.

+ Correct misinfo neutrally where it occurs on the little things that "other" Palestinians & Muslims. [For instance, there are still Christians in Gaza]

+ Boost online activists with max engagement.

+ Be prepared to make people agitated on the issue with their own concerns, such as how much money is spent on Israel, their prior attacks, betrayals & espionage against America/Britain, or the fact AIPAC is causing politicians to put Israeli interests first. Even if they can't be roused to care about Palestine, they can still be useful allies.

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denise ward's avatar

The people need to use drastic action because we all have left it so late. We need to stop paying interest to banks or go on strike or something of that nature that is right in their faces. We literally have done nothing. Most people need to be jolted into facing what's going on. Don't feel bad about doing that. Politeness is not the answer any more.

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

Nice, reflective rumination, Caitlin. Thanks.

The Colonial Zionists have us exactly where they herded us -- scurrying to keep up with the diversions from Gaza to Lebanon to Syria to Yemen to ... ? I am frustrated beyond measure...but powerless to do anything about it. I wrote a letter to my local editor, published 12-25, but I can't believe that it will do any -- measurable -- good or make a difference to, e.g., the main point of my letter: that girls and women in Gaza are in such "unlivable" conditions that they can't so much as begin to attend to their menstrual needs. Goddammit: as a widower, father of two daughters, grandfather to a granddaughter, that indignity of indignities really set me afire...but the editor did publish me essentially intact. Will any reader take note or even give a damn?

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Liana Chenoweth Kornfield's avatar

The Colonial Zionists could do NOTHING without the US/Western cabal of weapons, intel and billions of endless dollars, They are an arm of the US et al Empire, a Frankensteinian monster doing exactly what they were put there in the center of the ME to do.

I so appreciate your bringing in the horrible conditions imposed upon the Gazan girls and women on top of everything else. It would be utterly degrading for them. There is an organization that tries to provide kits for the women that I've supported. I'll look for the name and post it.

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Liana Chenoweth Kornfield's avatar

Anera provides "Health and Dignity Kits."

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

I know ANERA and have supported its enlightened programs; 10-15 years or so ago I donated regularly...in those days I think its prime focus was Lebanon. I hope you're correct about H&DKs -- but I've heard nothing about ANERA's or any other humanitarian agency's ability to get them into Gaza...esp. in a regular, needed quantity and flow.

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Liana Chenoweth Kornfield's avatar

Yes, that's increasingly been the unconscionable problem. I do know they try, and always include the kits, but I don't know their success rate. They're a wonderful committed organization. Hopefully some gets through. Here is a link to a recent newsletter:

https://mail.aol.com/d/search/keyword=anera/messages/ACC6nzse90jIZ2RR9AHkYAt4bKE?reason=invalid_cred

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Nikiyaki's avatar

Every time the message appears in public it can bring in new people who didn't know before. Never think it's futile. Getting something published is great! I'd try to always include a mention of where people can read more, whether an org name, website, hashtag, YouTube channel, etc.

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

Thanks! I did mention, in my above-noted LTE, that my source was the TV news DemocracyNow!, but there are many more....

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Martin G. Bradshaw's avatar

This has been status quo for many months, it is not new information. Why is this not reported by the high salaried main stream media? This is equivalent to the worst war crimes seen in WW II.

Why is the term “IDF” still used? Why is the U.S. subservient to the Israelis?

They laugh at the U.S. and gloat at their good fortune.. why ?

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John Turcot's avatar

Lots of whys in your comments Martin... my guess has only one answer... Follow the MONEY...and everything will be explained...

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

In this case, the huge American army industry.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Only some is explained by money. Beyond profit, there's the power and the religions fanaticism, i.e., prophets, which are all theirr in this unholy, new-trinity mix. Can't leave any of those out, if you want to find any answers, understanding or solutions.

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John Turcot's avatar

"Only some is explained by money"... Nice thought, but the bottom line, no matter which power structure is involved, is still money, or, better described, the lack of it. The Catholic church for instance is the second largest land owner on the planet... and the last time I looked they weren't giving any of it away.... 177 million acres..... When asked what three things were the most important on the planet, Noam Chomsky replied" ... "Money... Money, and to take a guess on the third. Not that Chomsky was necessarily someone who should be quoted more than anyone else, but he is well-known, and so is his answer. As Donald Trump would say: "Money, baby, Money."

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

"We’ve still got a long way to go in maturing as a species".

An understatement if I've ever read one.

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John Turcot's avatar

Vin,

""We’ve still got a long way to go in maturing as a species".

"An understatement if I've ever read one." Amen to your statement,, notwithstanding too much scrutiny on Amen .

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

I hate to say this, but the way the human race is going, the chances of self-extermination are looking considerably greater than the attainment of a higher level of consciousness. On that happy note, eat, drink and be merry!

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David Avenell's avatar

Eat drink and be merry, then read "Nuclear War - A Scenario" by Annnie Jacobsen and drink some more. Lots more.

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

I've just finished reading it. Pure criminal insanity!

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John Turcot's avatar

"Eat drink and be merry, then read "Nuclear War - A Scenario" by Annie Jacobsen" If I have but one thing to say about Annie's book, I would add that she has most probably underestimated the consequences..

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David Avenell's avatar

One bit that disappointed me was her description of Vladimir Putin as paranoid. Paranoia is an irrational fear of something, but given that Amerikan Govts. of all stripes had said since 1945, that their desire and intention is to destroy Russia, Putins' fear is perfectly rational.

In fact, to not fear Amerika would be a betrayal of Russia and Russians. And that's not taking into account the fact that almost every country on earth fears Amerika.

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John Turcot's avatar

"the chances of self-extermination are looking considerably greater" Guess who produces and owns most of the self-extermination hardware....

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Jo Waller's avatar

Extermination or higher level of consciousness: the snowflakes fall, each in their proper place.

Peace .

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Abendlaender's avatar

The leftist "self-extermination" of the West indeed is gaining speed: working towards a "de-colonized" aka: DE-CIVILIZED planet of the apes! Leftism = treacherous auto-immune disease of a too tolerant West!

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Francis/Clare's avatar

😵‍💫

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Tina Willis's avatar

On what planet of your Grapes of Wrath are the U$ RightTard Deep $tate unelected Bank$ for debt/Military for death/Media for doom - all Leftists???

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ShastaBetty's avatar

I am 30 minutes into this excellent 1-hr 2024 documentary about how Israeli "settlers" are destroying Palestinian property and shooting at them in the West Bank. These "settlements" are illegal, but the IDF does nothing to stop it. Of course they do nothing. Just stand and watch it happen. It is so difficult to watch the Israeli arrogance.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/settlements-above-law/

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

They actively shoot anyone that stands up to the settlers. They aren’t passive in the situation.

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Nikiyaki's avatar

Yep, even foreign activists that go to literally guard the Palestinians while they harvest their olives or are menaced by settlers. There are volunteer programs for the West Bank that let you help out, learn more, connect, etc. Some volunteers put their lives on the line & have died (Rachel Corrie) because they know their injuries or deaths will get the coverage Palestinian ones don't.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Yes, and the US government does nothing in response to their citizens being gunned downed or run over!

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Michael's avatar

Our world is led by criminals. Oligarchical crime families dominate and this has been the case since humans organized as society. The worst people tend to rise up because they’re willing to do anything, cheat, steal, kill to attain and hold power. Good people simply won’t do that so you rarely observe good people running anything of significance. Our society is competitive more so than collaborative and until that flips, we’re stuck with tyrants running things.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

It’s the human condition to fuck up anything that could be good. There are always psychopaths that will ruin it for everyone.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said Michael!

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Jackrabbit's avatar

And it isn't just that they are killing civilians. It is that they are even targeting the people who would want to help those civilians. Aid workers. Doctors. They are so hateful, so inhumane, that they are behaving in the worst ways possible. It is appropriate to equate Israelis with Nazis at this point. The only difference is the scale. But that is only a matter of time. As we see the relentless continuation of the extermination campaign against Arabs happening in Lebanon and now Syria. The USA has lost all credibility in the international community for its support of this genocide. This is the worst thing imaginable - the worlds most powerful military in complete support of the most inhumane behavior possible is quite clearly a threat to every living creature on this planet.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Jackrabbit, The USA lost all credibility a long time ago. It depends whose credibility it has lost now. Not NATO ,not the European powers, not Israel, not the proxy, puppet regimes of its empire and the brainwashed masses ready to cheer it on.

Wait till the evil, insane, delusional Trump takes over. He lies about everything except the malevolence he is threatening to unleash.

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Richard Parker's avatar

Progressing as a species?

The US has always been a violent bunch of settler colonials. The knuckle draggers are regressing to moronic dribblers, salivating at the thought of another war, more destruction, more deaths.

I am convinced the majority of Americans believe the tragedy and suffering is a video game, and only when every other race has b

een destroyed does the finale play out and they triumphantly get 1,000,000 points.

After that they can turn off the computer and eat dinner in the blissful knowledge it was all "just a game" and "no other humans were harmed".

Tomorrow another game can be played. Maybe that country called Iran? Now where is it on the map? Oh, dunno, not important. They don't look Caucasian, let's kill'em all

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Francis/Clare's avatar

It sure seems that way.

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Nikiyaki's avatar

Hilariously the Iranians are the original Aryans. It's even the name of their country. :)

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Interesting name you have, Mr. Parker. From actual shipwrecks to literary shipwrecks. Perhaps it is your real name, but, if not, the name does resonate.

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MakerOfNoise's avatar

"In reality we can change how things are whenever we want, and there’s no good reason not to. There are a whole lot more of us than there are of our rulers [...]"

Our rulers are acutely aware of this fact, and although they rarely talk of it in public, it is one of their main worries. Castles had walls not only to keep "the enemy" out, but also to keep the serfs from overrunning their rulers. Fences, access gates, and private security are the modern equivalent. Perhaps also the security bunkers they build. They fear "disorder", or anything that would lead to the masses not waiting tables, watching TV, and paying the rent.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

The American public is too indoctrinated and plain stupid, for there to be a chance to make things better. They are so easily divided with make believe threats, that it’s comical. People are too dumb to know that both parties are the same and both parties are the enemy. What’s going to happen to us is deserved I guess. We’ve constantly voted for war criminals, who only report to their oligarch masters. If people haven’t figured it out yet, they never will. It’s basically 3% of society that understands what’s going on. We are fucked and I can’t say it hasn’t been well earned!!

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Nikiyaki's avatar

What stops people often isn't even the fear of death, injury or imprisonment, but that they will suffer those things alone, and nothing will have changed, and anyone depending on them will suffer.

When people work together such that they can raise funds, publicise, and take care of each other, people become braver.

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Patricia Blair's avatar

These people are just utterly evil, Israel abetted by USA and UK. There is no debate.

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MakeTheWorldSafeForDiversity's avatar

The word war in the phrase war on terror was more than just a rhetorical flourish. By using the word war, the government of the usa gained insane amounts of emergency powers and "continuity of government" to use in its war on the american people and the rest of the world. General Clark's 7 countries are down to arguably one as the real geopolitical goals of the post 11 September 2001 world come into fruition. The greater israel project is still gaining support as Syria was crippled well before Assad fell.

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Nikiyaki's avatar

I'd just like to note its still possible to travel to Iran (though you probably get put on a list & may get a govt minder while you're there, as they won't trust you either) and it has beautiful cities to be a tourist in, including ones with notable Christian populations. Lots of lovely churches and mosques. Their people could really use a capital injection.

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