I had a boss in Canada who once moved to Israel to be with his parents. Upon entry he was given a form written in Hebrew and told to sign on the dotted line. He assumed it was just an entry form, a simple formality to enter the country. He was dead wrong. What he had just done was sign up for the IDF unknowingly because he couldn't read Hebrew.
After later finding himself deployed to the border with Lebanon he told his commanders that his grandfather had passed away in France and needed to leave. He never went back to Israel as he was now considered a deserter and since his parents were too old to travel he never saw them again.
Israel is No1 State of the USA and its biggest military base, and they even draft women. U.S. "Unsinkable ? carrier"/The Oil Cartel attack dog/protection outpost in the Middle East..
If Israel out of the blue, decided to actually be good neighbors, the US would instantly stop funding them and would actively work to overthrow the government
"If Israel out of the blue, decided to actually be good neighbors, the US would instantly stop funding them and would actively work to overthrow the government"
One should think of Israel as the biggest of 800+ overseas U.S. military bases, "Unsinkable ? carrier", created to control (bomb) this whole oil-rich region.
Especially the Suez Canal and the Strait of Hormuz, the world's most important oil transit chokepoint.
Rockefellers’ Chevron purchased Noble oil in October 2022. The date of this is absolutely crucial to understand the events that started in Gaza exactly a year later.
They take a lot of rights that may backfire. If they use their nuclear power like they threaten to do, do they think the radiation will skirt around them? Suckers.
Oh I don't think ballet dancers or jazz musicians would take up raping and pillaging. Indeed I think most people wouldn't. They'd party and take drugs instead.
"Doing to others as you would have done to yourself" is a Christian maxim. Muslims similarly are cautioned against oppressing others. Even atheists with a modicum of ethics wouldn't do this. Any rational human being realizes that this type of behaviour is a race to the bottom.
You didn't answer my question, which is -> "Can you come up with an example of a society that has unlimited rights and zero responsibilities that DOES NOT devolve into the kind of behavior similar to that displayed by Israeli society?" (BTW, this was Feral's original assertion).
I'm not sure what your comment about 'ethics and rationality' as to do with the topic under discussion. Ethics are subjective and context dependent (with its own set of intersectionalities), as is rationality - and humans are FAR FROM being 'rational animals'.
And BTW, 'realizing' something does not mean 'action will be taken' or 'change will happen'. Lots of people realize (and understand) lots of things without doing anything about it.
This isn't an exact reply to your comment, but something related that I ponder these days. As one of Irish ancestry, we were historically oppressed by the British, and later in early America, yet we did not become monsters. We never developed a similar sense of entitlement or a passive-aggressive strategy to continually take more. I just wonder why.
Were the Irish in America settler-colonialists? No, they were immigrants. Were the Jewish that moved to Palestine settler-colonialists? Yes. There - you have your answer.
Pretty sure this type of behaviour predates them having their own state, i.e. when they were living as minorities with curtailed rights, and the consequences being that they were kicked out, repeatedly. These are Yiddish words, not their newly fangled Frankensteined Hebrew.
I disagree. It was the 'white Europeans' that created the 'othering of Jews (and other minorities)', slavery (in the form of the Atlantic slave trade), etc. The Jews of Europe (Western and Eastern including Russia) were discriminated against. There is an extremely long history of REAL anti-semitism (not the fake Zionist kind).
Many Muslim immigrants are having similar issues in Europe to what the Jews had (at one point of time in history) - i.e. discrimination, racism, etc.
Zionism is markedly different (due to the nature of settler-colonialism) from Jewish culture of the 19th Century (and before). Unfortunately, Israel (and its Jewish supremacy ideology) has poisoned not only Jewish culture, but also Judaism.
Settler-colonialism REQUIRES the oppression and dehumanization of others to succeed. The Europeans had their own form of settler-colonialism (and Genocide) in North America at a different point in history (when few people were aware of it and colonialism was more acceptable than it is today).
Curious. Because i've yet to hear of a Christian who thinks having a "Muslim Inquisition" over them would be fine, any yet that's what Christians did to everyone else. Or that it would be A-OK for a bunch of non-Christian landgrabbing thugs with advanced military tech to roll up and take their own country from them.
Oh wait! - maybe Christians don't live up to their claims, outside of a very few monkish types who actually believe in it.
Christianity was spread by the sword, "cuius regio, eius religio". Framing themselves as turn the other cheek kumbayaa pacifists must be among the most egregious psy ops ever.
I wouldn't want to generalize too broadly, but I actually did see this a lot in Israel. Particularly, people cutting to the front of a line and leverage their Hebrew speaking ability to get special service over the people behind them who might not all speak the language.
Japanese are even more of a monculture, but you NEVER see them do this.
It does seem to be a bit related to haggling culture, but where EVERYTHING is an aggressive haggle and balance of privilege and will. One thinks of the social and historical forces that create this mentality of always pressing your advantage, and never building mutual or trusting relationships.
And there you have what'll be a significant factor in Israel's downfall: they don't trust anyone and they don't much like anyone. It'll be a miracle if they don't fall into a civil war. God knows there's no society on earth that deserves one more.
I like to think an inherently violent and anti-relational state and society built on conflict and dehumanization is unsustainable. If it is, I like to think it can't sustain itself with cruelty for much longer.
"One thinks of the social and historical forces that create this mentality of always pressing your advantage, and never building mutual or trusting relationships." Quite so. For this I feel some sympathy for them. But the limit was passed long ago.
I lived in Japan and it does seem like the anti-Israel. But their behavior in World War II was equally ugly. It's discouraging.
I guess the interesting thing about the Empire of Japan is that they thought they were the Europeans of Asia and racially superior to neighboring peoples, and actually in the tradition of Western empires. It's that ideology that makes of evil.
It certainly facilitates evil, though I'd say it isn't the only way.
Japan used to be very bigoted. It used to be widely believed that to become a US Marine you had to kill one of your own parents. But this is passe. South Korean TV shows are very popular. I'm told that black men are in style and find it easy to date J women. I've met a couple of J women who moved overseas and married in Indonesia and Mexico, and have a white cousin who married into Jland.
I once had a J comic book about a bigoted Dad angered because his daughter wanted to marry a Swede. J Dad was drawn as a Swede! I thought that quite subversive and clever.
I would believe that in their hearts of hearts many J people believe themselves to be culturally superior but I share that opinion so it doesn't bother me. Chinese people are looked down on as uncouth but I also share that opinion. The Chinese government is embarrassed by this so there is a major propaganda movement in China to improve the politeness of the masses. Needless to say there is no trace of any such effort in the USA.
I once saw a post by a man who said J people wouldn't sit next to him on the Metro because he was a black foreigner. There was a photo of him and he had a big middle age spread, a "spare tire." Nobody in J has that so I bet they thought it was weird and didn't want to touch it, which anyone who sat next to him would have to do.
The ceasefire is a ruse, there is no ceasefire anymore then when the sadistic IDF tricked unarmed civilians to use a ''safe corridor'' only to be murdered.
If anything the ceaefire serves to resupply the IDF.
Well said F...., the "ceasefire" was a total sham. What kind of "ceasefire" is it when one side can continue to kill with impunity, allow only a fraction of the agreed upon aid in and constantly harass the other side? Just continuation of genocide by different means
Total sham alright, it exposes the legacy media for being a propaganda outlet for empire by having gone along with the sham instead of exposing the sham for what it really is.
Talk about exposing - it would be interesting to start investigating who stands to profit from the resources underneath it all - as all these wars that have been waged over the last 25 years have nothing to do with fighting terrorism - they're all about trying to gain control over resources.
very well said. The media is supposed to speak truth to power, but instead have parroted the imperialist talking points and furthering their campaign of indoctrination and misinformation. And agreed as well, these wars which have led to untold loss of life, suffering and destruction, were never about anything other than resource acquisition, the reason they gave to the public was nothing more than a cover-up for their true intentions
"There's a sucker born every minute!" circus impresario P.T. Barnum supposedly said. It seems that the Israelis have invented their own "circus" and the entire world is full of "suckers" for them to take advantage of. It's time we stop falling for their dirty tactics and shut them down permanently. Free Palestine--Free Ourselves from the tyranny of the Zionists!
If I used any of these direct quotes, or thousands of others, from Netanyahu on down, in comments in the New York Times, not one would pass the moderators.
These are the quintessence of antisemitic clichés, and they toss them around like confetti.
We need to weaponize their shameless boasting, and somehow make them eat their words.
The fundamental problem that the human species faces is that Zionists are willing to do ANYTHING to non-Zionists but non-Zionists are barely able to scrape together a pleasure boat flotilla.
If you weaponize their shameless boasting and make them eat their words they'll just kill your kids with a drone bomb and laugh about it.
Well, yes, it will have no effect on the psychopaths in Israel.
But what I was thinking was that there’s a turn in the tide at the moment. Mamdani wouldn’t have stood a chance even two years ago. The purpose of promulgating these quotes is to take advantage of this new climate by showing those reasonable Americans who may be on the fence, what sort of people they were, until recently, defending.
While not a Christian, I have no difficulty believing that the Pharisees would have petitioned the Romans to kill Jesus. And that the Romans, being politically smart, would have turfed that back to the Pharisees, as is attributed to Pontius Pilate.
This isn’t solely an Israeli characteristic. As I understand it is a determination to “get away with whatever I can get away with until I am forced to stop.” There are too many other organizations that practice this as well. For example, the mafia does it. They take as much as they can until they get slammed.
U.S. corporations do it EVERYDAY. Think about it, health insures deny claim after claim because they know they can get away with it. Who is going to stop them. Tobacco companies lied about the health hazards of cigarettes. In a lesser topic, airlines keep shrinking the seats and legroom. Who is going to stop them. I doubt there are 10 companies in the Fortune 500 who don’t fit this pattern.
The U.S. government has overthrown at least 80 governments while lying about the reason for doing so. Can anyone remember WMDs?
All of these actions serve to take advantage of someone else, who has fewer resources, no ability to stop them, and certainly no leverage. This is all just another way to exploit vulnerable people. The Israelis have taken it to a high level, but not dramatically higher, if at all, compared to the kinds of monsters I mentioned. If United Healthcare inflicts a huge amount of pain and suffering on millions of their “members”, is that greater or lesser than what Israelis do? I don’t know. If fossil fuel executives hide what they know about climate change, where does that fall?
Thank you. I thought about this a little more. The primary difference between the Israeli monsters and what I call the Davos monsters is that the Israelis will bluntly talk about the unspeakable things they do. Conversely, the Davos monsters quietly do equally unspeakable things. It’s really just different communication strategies: overt and covert.
Very tired of paying for Israel's bombing of mosques, churches, schools, markets, hospitals, neonatal clinics, graveyards, water treatment plants, bakeries, cafes, farms, ranches...
Very tired of the genocidal, colonial, apartheid state of Israel.
PS How funny is it that Israel has universal free healthcare, education, housing, food and vacations paid for by American Christian taxpayers and we get NOTHING
I think we're just going to have to crash the global economy via debt overload - which will hopefully destroy America's force projection and Israel with it.
Failing that...I guess just do wildly illegal things...
"crash the global economy via debt overload " -- Seems pretty likely to me. Sometime in the next ten years. Could start any day now. Timing of such things is unpredictable.
well said blaster. I can't even find it funny, it's just grimly ironic that the taxes paid by folks here go to give foreign citizens free healthcare, education etc, and people here have to take out huge loans to be able to afford education (whereas many countries around the world with less resources provide affordable or no-cost university education to their citizens), not to mention how expensive and complex healthcare is here. Plus, health outcomes aren't even better than in countries which spend a fraction of the amount spent here on healthcare, it's terrible
"Israel has reportedly killed 241 Palestinians in Gaza since the so-called “ceasefire” with Hamas went into effect last month. If Hamas had killed 241 Israelis in that same time, we all know Israel would be turning Gaza into a lake of fire right now".
So writes Caitlin to awaken us from our stupor. There are no ceasefires with Israel. The US contrived "ceasefire" is a mirage for suckers. It applies only to the Palestinians, or the Lebanese or whoever Israel is having an aggression with. Always it is the other side that has to cease even when they are the victims, even when they are not armed, even when they are bombarded with weapons of mass destruction.
Not only that, Hamas has to dig in the Israeli made wasteland to retrieve ( killed by Israeli bombs no doubt ) the hostage bodies and transfer the corpses to Israel - to keep up their end of the ceasefire bargain!
From reliable reports Israel is not even allowing enough food and other essentials to get through. Shitat Matzliach indeed.
I have distant relatives who are Irish Gypsies, or ‘Travellers’, and they have a very similar culture of “taking advantage” of whoever they’re dealing with, be that someone they’re working for or someone to whom they’re selling something. They take pride in it and if they get caught they’ll smile and act all “Aww you got me this time…. C’mon, I’m a Gypsy boy”. I think it stems from always being an ‘outsider’, or ‘unwanted’, transient people. Jews have historically been similar, experiencing persecution just as Romany & Gypsy folk have. It’s no excuse in the modern world though and especially in Israel where they’re the overwhelming majority.
But gypsies don't steal people's land and genocide an entire nation... Repeatedly... Look up the kitos war and what the Jews did to the Cypriots nigh on 2 millenia ago....
Jews may have stolen things in the past. So did Christians. And probably Muslims. But it is the Zionists, like the Nazis, who commit genocide and see themselves as supreme beings. In the present.
I was referring to Jews, as a people, being persecuted throughout history in a similar way to Gypsies/Romanies. Zionists are a relatively new group, with beginnings at the end of the 19th & beginning of the 20th century. Also not all Zionists are Jews.
Cultural adaptation to harsh societal conditions and outsider status, more license to break the rules when you dont feel equality or reciprocity.
Israel does distill pretty much any negative cultural or psychological trend inherited from Jewish history of persecution. It's a people that don't live in the present, and can't get away from an identity embedded with isolation, victim hood, and also license.
Zionists were never outsiders until they took over parts of Palestine, to make Israhell, and then Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Yemen their avarice put them on the outside where they should stay- as far from human habitation as possible.
He compared Gypsies and Jews, not Zionists. Obviously none of the horrors visited upon Jews at any time in history have befallen the Zionists, much as we would like to see it.
I was referring to Jews, as a people, being persecuted throughout history in a similar way to Gypsies/Romanies. Zionists are a relatively new group, with beginnings at the end of the 19th & beginning of the 20th century. Also not all Zionists are Jews.
What this shows us, is that the Zionist AbomiNation State - really ISN'T a "Jewish State", at all... It's a Satanic, colonial outpost, of the Evil Empire.
The Torah and the Talmud both have extensive examples and rules, around behaving only to the highest of ethical standards. This Zionist-settlers' trait clearly demonstrates the manifestly EVIL and reprobate nature of the Zionist ethos and culture. These are a nation of pushy, obnoxious LIARS, and Crooks - where they aren't psychopathic serial killers, rapists and torturers. These monsters, are entirely irredeemable.
That's why Israelis invented all the "horrors" Hamas did on October 7, like cutting babies heads, and frying babies in ovens. And when the “freier” Biden, repeated those lies in television, they had a good laugh, because he fell for their “shitat matzliach”.
Never knew this was a common trait in the Israeli culture. How sad. You can take the people out of their culture, but you can't take the culture out of the people is something I learned a long time ago. This one cultural aspect explains why Israel is so entrenched in American governmental decisions. Seems the American government missed the memo on this a long time ago.
I had a boss in Canada who once moved to Israel to be with his parents. Upon entry he was given a form written in Hebrew and told to sign on the dotted line. He assumed it was just an entry form, a simple formality to enter the country. He was dead wrong. What he had just done was sign up for the IDF unknowingly because he couldn't read Hebrew.
After later finding himself deployed to the border with Lebanon he told his commanders that his grandfather had passed away in France and needed to leave. He never went back to Israel as he was now considered a deserter and since his parents were too old to travel he never saw them again.
True story. Shitat Matzliach.
Israel is No1 State of the USA and its biggest military base, and they even draft women. U.S. "Unsinkable ? carrier"/The Oil Cartel attack dog/protection outpost in the Middle East..
If Israel out of the blue, decided to actually be good neighbors, the US would instantly stop funding them and would actively work to overthrow the government
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youtube.com/watch?v=mVVtDd9c94c
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It allows Western Imperialist Oligarchy to control the Oil prices and maintain the hegemony of PETRODOLLAR.
rumble.com/v6tuvs5-explained-how-the-petrodollar-rules-the-world.html
"If Israel out of the blue, decided to actually be good neighbors, the US would instantly stop funding them and would actively work to overthrow the government"
Aha. I never thought of that.
Too many ppl still prefer to remain willfully ignorant of the fact that Zionism/Israel has always been the UK/US Imperialist colonial project
The U.S. just took over after the British empire collapsed
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The U.S. has funded Israel for decades, not the other way around
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One should think of Israel as the biggest of 800+ overseas U.S. military bases, "Unsinkable ? carrier", created to control (bomb) this whole oil-rich region.
Especially the Suez Canal and the Strait of Hormuz, the world's most important oil transit chokepoint.
youtu.be/tOfXpW5lSMM?t=93
youtube.com/shorts/A-WThZHZpEw
youtube.com/watch?v=mVVtDd9c94c
It allows Western Imperialist Oligarchy to control the Oil prices and maintain the hegemony of PETRODOLLAR.
rumble.com/v6tuvs5-explained-how-the-petrodollar-rules-the-world.html
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Rockefellers’ Chevron purchased Noble oil in October 2022. The date of this is absolutely crucial to understand the events that started in Gaza exactly a year later.
The US gives the Orders to Israel:
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"The number one weapon of 20th century imperialism is Zionist dollarism, and one of the main bases for this weapon is Zionist Israel."
-Malcolm X, after visiting Gaza in 1964
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"The State of Israel was not created for the salvation of the Jews; it was created for the salvation of Western interests."
-James Baldwin, 1979
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"Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect our interests in the region"
-FJB, 1986-2024
Who's fjb?
F Joe Biden
The old boss, same as the new boss..
Give any group of humans de facto unlimited rights and zero responsibilities and you will get behavior such as we see from Israel.
They take a lot of rights that may backfire. If they use their nuclear power like they threaten to do, do they think the radiation will skirt around them? Suckers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Oh I don't think ballet dancers or jazz musicians would take up raping and pillaging. Indeed I think most people wouldn't. They'd party and take drugs instead.
A good point but hippies would quickly be replaced by others more ruthless. The example of Henry VI is most instructive.
Nope, sorry.
Any examples of exceptions to what Feral Finster said (in the modern context - i.e. not during hunter-gatherer or agricultural revolution periods) ?
"Doing to others as you would have done to yourself" is a Christian maxim. Muslims similarly are cautioned against oppressing others. Even atheists with a modicum of ethics wouldn't do this. Any rational human being realizes that this type of behaviour is a race to the bottom.
You didn't answer my question, which is -> "Can you come up with an example of a society that has unlimited rights and zero responsibilities that DOES NOT devolve into the kind of behavior similar to that displayed by Israeli society?" (BTW, this was Feral's original assertion).
I'm not sure what your comment about 'ethics and rationality' as to do with the topic under discussion. Ethics are subjective and context dependent (with its own set of intersectionalities), as is rationality - and humans are FAR FROM being 'rational animals'.
And BTW, 'realizing' something does not mean 'action will be taken' or 'change will happen'. Lots of people realize (and understand) lots of things without doing anything about it.
This isn't an exact reply to your comment, but something related that I ponder these days. As one of Irish ancestry, we were historically oppressed by the British, and later in early America, yet we did not become monsters. We never developed a similar sense of entitlement or a passive-aggressive strategy to continually take more. I just wonder why.
Were the Irish in America settler-colonialists? No, they were immigrants. Were the Jewish that moved to Palestine settler-colonialists? Yes. There - you have your answer.
The Irish weren't allowed to parlay victim status into de facto unlimited rights.
Pretty sure this type of behaviour predates them having their own state, i.e. when they were living as minorities with curtailed rights, and the consequences being that they were kicked out, repeatedly. These are Yiddish words, not their newly fangled Frankensteined Hebrew.
I disagree. It was the 'white Europeans' that created the 'othering of Jews (and other minorities)', slavery (in the form of the Atlantic slave trade), etc. The Jews of Europe (Western and Eastern including Russia) were discriminated against. There is an extremely long history of REAL anti-semitism (not the fake Zionist kind).
Many Muslim immigrants are having similar issues in Europe to what the Jews had (at one point of time in history) - i.e. discrimination, racism, etc.
Zionism is markedly different (due to the nature of settler-colonialism) from Jewish culture of the 19th Century (and before). Unfortunately, Israel (and its Jewish supremacy ideology) has poisoned not only Jewish culture, but also Judaism.
Settler-colonialism REQUIRES the oppression and dehumanization of others to succeed. The Europeans had their own form of settler-colonialism (and Genocide) in North America at a different point in history (when few people were aware of it and colonialism was more acceptable than it is today).
Curious. Because i've yet to hear of a Christian who thinks having a "Muslim Inquisition" over them would be fine, any yet that's what Christians did to everyone else. Or that it would be A-OK for a bunch of non-Christian landgrabbing thugs with advanced military tech to roll up and take their own country from them.
Oh wait! - maybe Christians don't live up to their claims, outside of a very few monkish types who actually believe in it.
Christianity was spread by the sword, "cuius regio, eius religio". Framing themselves as turn the other cheek kumbayaa pacifists must be among the most egregious psy ops ever.
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Is this human nature ?.I hope very very much not.
It is human nature, as far as I can tell.
I wouldn't want to generalize too broadly, but I actually did see this a lot in Israel. Particularly, people cutting to the front of a line and leverage their Hebrew speaking ability to get special service over the people behind them who might not all speak the language.
Japanese are even more of a monculture, but you NEVER see them do this.
It does seem to be a bit related to haggling culture, but where EVERYTHING is an aggressive haggle and balance of privilege and will. One thinks of the social and historical forces that create this mentality of always pressing your advantage, and never building mutual or trusting relationships.
And there you have what'll be a significant factor in Israel's downfall: they don't trust anyone and they don't much like anyone. It'll be a miracle if they don't fall into a civil war. God knows there's no society on earth that deserves one more.
I like to think an inherently violent and anti-relational state and society built on conflict and dehumanization is unsustainable. If it is, I like to think it can't sustain itself with cruelty for much longer.
"One thinks of the social and historical forces that create this mentality of always pressing your advantage, and never building mutual or trusting relationships." Quite so. For this I feel some sympathy for them. But the limit was passed long ago.
I lived in Japan and it does seem like the anti-Israel. But their behavior in World War II was equally ugly. It's discouraging.
I guess the interesting thing about the Empire of Japan is that they thought they were the Europeans of Asia and racially superior to neighboring peoples, and actually in the tradition of Western empires. It's that ideology that makes of evil.
It certainly facilitates evil, though I'd say it isn't the only way.
Japan used to be very bigoted. It used to be widely believed that to become a US Marine you had to kill one of your own parents. But this is passe. South Korean TV shows are very popular. I'm told that black men are in style and find it easy to date J women. I've met a couple of J women who moved overseas and married in Indonesia and Mexico, and have a white cousin who married into Jland.
I once had a J comic book about a bigoted Dad angered because his daughter wanted to marry a Swede. J Dad was drawn as a Swede! I thought that quite subversive and clever.
I would believe that in their hearts of hearts many J people believe themselves to be culturally superior but I share that opinion so it doesn't bother me. Chinese people are looked down on as uncouth but I also share that opinion. The Chinese government is embarrassed by this so there is a major propaganda movement in China to improve the politeness of the masses. Needless to say there is no trace of any such effort in the USA.
I once saw a post by a man who said J people wouldn't sit next to him on the Metro because he was a black foreigner. There was a photo of him and he had a big middle age spread, a "spare tire." Nobody in J has that so I bet they thought it was weird and didn't want to touch it, which anyone who sat next to him would have to do.
What are you even doing in Israel? Are you insane?
The ceasefire is a ruse, there is no ceasefire anymore then when the sadistic IDF tricked unarmed civilians to use a ''safe corridor'' only to be murdered.
If anything the ceaefire serves to resupply the IDF.
Everyone needs to dispense with the obvious falsehood. It was only meant to put people to sleep. There is no ceasefire.
True - The ceasefire is as real as the proposed Ministry of Truth courtesy of Madame Fond of Lying.
There is no ceasefire, never has been, never will be.
I'm sure Hamas wasn't fooled for a second. They just wanted to do the hostage exchange. It was a good deal.
Well said F...., the "ceasefire" was a total sham. What kind of "ceasefire" is it when one side can continue to kill with impunity, allow only a fraction of the agreed upon aid in and constantly harass the other side? Just continuation of genocide by different means
Total sham alright, it exposes the legacy media for being a propaganda outlet for empire by having gone along with the sham instead of exposing the sham for what it really is.
Talk about exposing - it would be interesting to start investigating who stands to profit from the resources underneath it all - as all these wars that have been waged over the last 25 years have nothing to do with fighting terrorism - they're all about trying to gain control over resources.
very well said. The media is supposed to speak truth to power, but instead have parroted the imperialist talking points and furthering their campaign of indoctrination and misinformation. And agreed as well, these wars which have led to untold loss of life, suffering and destruction, were never about anything other than resource acquisition, the reason they gave to the public was nothing more than a cover-up for their true intentions
"There's a sucker born every minute!" circus impresario P.T. Barnum supposedly said. It seems that the Israelis have invented their own "circus" and the entire world is full of "suckers" for them to take advantage of. It's time we stop falling for their dirty tactics and shut them down permanently. Free Palestine--Free Ourselves from the tyranny of the Zionists!
agreed totally CA, well said
If I used any of these direct quotes, or thousands of others, from Netanyahu on down, in comments in the New York Times, not one would pass the moderators.
These are the quintessence of antisemitic clichés, and they toss them around like confetti.
We need to weaponize their shameless boasting, and somehow make them eat their words.
The fundamental problem that the human species faces is that Zionists are willing to do ANYTHING to non-Zionists but non-Zionists are barely able to scrape together a pleasure boat flotilla.
If you weaponize their shameless boasting and make them eat their words they'll just kill your kids with a drone bomb and laugh about it.
Well, yes, it will have no effect on the psychopaths in Israel.
But what I was thinking was that there’s a turn in the tide at the moment. Mamdani wouldn’t have stood a chance even two years ago. The purpose of promulgating these quotes is to take advantage of this new climate by showing those reasonable Americans who may be on the fence, what sort of people they were, until recently, defending.
They are Christ killers.
I saw the statute of limitations has expired. Assuming the story is true in the first place and not Roman propaganda.
While not a Christian, I have no difficulty believing that the Pharisees would have petitioned the Romans to kill Jesus. And that the Romans, being politically smart, would have turfed that back to the Pharisees, as is attributed to Pontius Pilate.
This isn’t solely an Israeli characteristic. As I understand it is a determination to “get away with whatever I can get away with until I am forced to stop.” There are too many other organizations that practice this as well. For example, the mafia does it. They take as much as they can until they get slammed.
U.S. corporations do it EVERYDAY. Think about it, health insures deny claim after claim because they know they can get away with it. Who is going to stop them. Tobacco companies lied about the health hazards of cigarettes. In a lesser topic, airlines keep shrinking the seats and legroom. Who is going to stop them. I doubt there are 10 companies in the Fortune 500 who don’t fit this pattern.
The U.S. government has overthrown at least 80 governments while lying about the reason for doing so. Can anyone remember WMDs?
All of these actions serve to take advantage of someone else, who has fewer resources, no ability to stop them, and certainly no leverage. This is all just another way to exploit vulnerable people. The Israelis have taken it to a high level, but not dramatically higher, if at all, compared to the kinds of monsters I mentioned. If United Healthcare inflicts a huge amount of pain and suffering on millions of their “members”, is that greater or lesser than what Israelis do? I don’t know. If fossil fuel executives hide what they know about climate change, where does that fall?
Well said!
Thank you. I thought about this a little more. The primary difference between the Israeli monsters and what I call the Davos monsters is that the Israelis will bluntly talk about the unspeakable things they do. Conversely, the Davos monsters quietly do equally unspeakable things. It’s really just different communication strategies: overt and covert.
American Christian taxpayer here.
Very tired of paying for Israel's theft.
Very tired of paying for Israel's rape.
Very tired of paying for Israel's torture.
Very tired of paying for Israel's bombing of mosques, churches, schools, markets, hospitals, neonatal clinics, graveyards, water treatment plants, bakeries, cafes, farms, ranches...
Very tired of the genocidal, colonial, apartheid state of Israel.
PS How funny is it that Israel has universal free healthcare, education, housing, food and vacations paid for by American Christian taxpayers and we get NOTHING
SO FUNNY
HAHAHA
BlasterAsster, What are you all doing about it?!
I think we're just going to have to crash the global economy via debt overload - which will hopefully destroy America's force projection and Israel with it.
Failing that...I guess just do wildly illegal things...
"crash the global economy via debt overload " -- Seems pretty likely to me. Sometime in the next ten years. Could start any day now. Timing of such things is unpredictable.
well said blaster. I can't even find it funny, it's just grimly ironic that the taxes paid by folks here go to give foreign citizens free healthcare, education etc, and people here have to take out huge loans to be able to afford education (whereas many countries around the world with less resources provide affordable or no-cost university education to their citizens), not to mention how expensive and complex healthcare is here. Plus, health outcomes aren't even better than in countries which spend a fraction of the amount spent here on healthcare, it's terrible
"Israel has reportedly killed 241 Palestinians in Gaza since the so-called “ceasefire” with Hamas went into effect last month. If Hamas had killed 241 Israelis in that same time, we all know Israel would be turning Gaza into a lake of fire right now".
So writes Caitlin to awaken us from our stupor. There are no ceasefires with Israel. The US contrived "ceasefire" is a mirage for suckers. It applies only to the Palestinians, or the Lebanese or whoever Israel is having an aggression with. Always it is the other side that has to cease even when they are the victims, even when they are not armed, even when they are bombarded with weapons of mass destruction.
Not only that, Hamas has to dig in the Israeli made wasteland to retrieve ( killed by Israeli bombs no doubt ) the hostage bodies and transfer the corpses to Israel - to keep up their end of the ceasefire bargain!
From reliable reports Israel is not even allowing enough food and other essentials to get through. Shitat Matzliach indeed.
I have distant relatives who are Irish Gypsies, or ‘Travellers’, and they have a very similar culture of “taking advantage” of whoever they’re dealing with, be that someone they’re working for or someone to whom they’re selling something. They take pride in it and if they get caught they’ll smile and act all “Aww you got me this time…. C’mon, I’m a Gypsy boy”. I think it stems from always being an ‘outsider’, or ‘unwanted’, transient people. Jews have historically been similar, experiencing persecution just as Romany & Gypsy folk have. It’s no excuse in the modern world though and especially in Israel where they’re the overwhelming majority.
But gypsies don't steal people's land and genocide an entire nation... Repeatedly... Look up the kitos war and what the Jews did to the Cypriots nigh on 2 millenia ago....
Jews may have stolen things in the past. So did Christians. And probably Muslims. But it is the Zionists, like the Nazis, who commit genocide and see themselves as supreme beings. In the present.
I was referring to Jews, as a people, being persecuted throughout history in a similar way to Gypsies/Romanies. Zionists are a relatively new group, with beginnings at the end of the 19th & beginning of the 20th century. Also not all Zionists are Jews.
Cultural adaptation to harsh societal conditions and outsider status, more license to break the rules when you dont feel equality or reciprocity.
Israel does distill pretty much any negative cultural or psychological trend inherited from Jewish history of persecution. It's a people that don't live in the present, and can't get away from an identity embedded with isolation, victim hood, and also license.
Zionists were never outsiders until they took over parts of Palestine, to make Israhell, and then Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Yemen their avarice put them on the outside where they should stay- as far from human habitation as possible.
Traditionally, the Muslin countries have treated the Jews well.
But what good has it done them, Harry? With them it's like throwing a party for a snake and hoping ir won't swallow the children.
He compared Gypsies and Jews, not Zionists. Obviously none of the horrors visited upon Jews at any time in history have befallen the Zionists, much as we would like to see it.
This 👆🏼
I was referring to Jews, as a people, being persecuted throughout history in a similar way to Gypsies/Romanies. Zionists are a relatively new group, with beginnings at the end of the 19th & beginning of the 20th century. Also not all Zionists are Jews.
What this shows us, is that the Zionist AbomiNation State - really ISN'T a "Jewish State", at all... It's a Satanic, colonial outpost, of the Evil Empire.
The Torah and the Talmud both have extensive examples and rules, around behaving only to the highest of ethical standards. This Zionist-settlers' trait clearly demonstrates the manifestly EVIL and reprobate nature of the Zionist ethos and culture. These are a nation of pushy, obnoxious LIARS, and Crooks - where they aren't psychopathic serial killers, rapists and torturers. These monsters, are entirely irredeemable.
That's why Israelis invented all the "horrors" Hamas did on October 7, like cutting babies heads, and frying babies in ovens. And when the “freier” Biden, repeated those lies in television, they had a good laugh, because he fell for their “shitat matzliach”.
Biden didn't fall for anything, he was a braindead puppet like Kamala. Zionist Jews Blinken and Sullivan were running the entire administration.
Biden and Harris were geniuses when it came to maximizing personal income with minimal effort.
People Are Learning The TRUTH About October 7th (And it changes everything)
Just scratch the surface & the big lie falls apart.
https://realleecamp.substack.com/p/people-are-learning-the-truth-about
And all this while people thing they’re being anti-Semitic when in fact Israelis are just exercising their right to shitat marzliach everyone. Gosh
Never knew this was a common trait in the Israeli culture. How sad. You can take the people out of their culture, but you can't take the culture out of the people is something I learned a long time ago. This one cultural aspect explains why Israel is so entrenched in American governmental decisions. Seems the American government missed the memo on this a long time ago.
And so is the US government--and along with it the US people--freshers?
Freiers, you bet. Though I like to think that some of them are just pretending to believe it.
And it does this with the blessing of the USA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE5tLImbjc4
How does the public keep falling for these "SIKES!" by the same slimy assholes whom has been doing this shit since 1948?
Long tradition from the "Sikes" Picot