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Kevin Hester's avatar

You could publish this article without a hint of what country it transpired in and not one endangered person on the planet would guess the wrong country.

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Chud's avatar

Good point. If she dressed that way while being a "journalist covering" a public execution in Iran, Saudi Arabia, or any of those other "endangered" places on the planet, she'd have been strung up right alongside the murderer and executed along with him.

Why talk about actual human rights abuses though, when we can just discuss an Alabama thot getting patrolled by a death row corrections officer. Thank you for this riveting insight, very educational.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Yes, such is the world we live in where Christian ideas are utilized to facilitate evil. "We're good, God fearing people and we don't allow desecration of all that is decent to be trivialized by indecent attire - a short skirt and toe-revealing shoes. This is serious."

George W Bush, that mass killer of renown, mocked a woman on death row who under the influence of heavy drugs and bad companions, committed murder. But she had reformed in prison and was commended as a model prisoner and reformed person by the warden, ministers of the church and people who knew her.

"I don't want to die" Bush, said in an exaggerated imitation of a woman's voice". He had her killed, anyway.

But was he on drugs when he asked God about hitting Iraq and killing a million people, and God answered," Go for it Georgie, my son" ?

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bot_483's avatar

Which xtian ideal is utilized to authorize capital punishment in the US? Exactly - none, nice try.

"She had reformed in prison." LOL. Timing is essential in these things, had she reformed herself before she took a life, no one would have reason to want her dead.

"But was he on drugs when he asked God about hitting Iraq and killing a million people, ...?"

If he was, would you give him a pass like you are to the murderer he had executed?

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june tenth's avatar

do you ever think about how many lives you, your family, and your dollars have MURDERED, raped, robbed, insulted, defrauded, threatened, without any influence but in full consciousness and with intention and plan, around the world and throughout your lifetime so far?

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russian_bot's avatar

Those other don't matter don't you know? Who's the Exceptional Nation after all?

Obama pronounced it so many times so proudly and eloquently even Joe Rogan would cry approvingly.

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june tenth's avatar

it's no rhetorical question. i really really wanna hear directly from "neil..here". i am truly curious what is going on in his head.

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russian_bot's avatar

I'm with you there. It's what I expect his answer will be. A catch-all argument - we're the best.

Why? Because no one can be better. And if we are not that good then everyone else is much worse still.

Either way we're on top. God bless!

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bot_483's avatar

Yes. ZERO. Yours?

How much have the rabbits in your warren benefited from what you describe...

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J M Hatch's avatar

Only an American Southern Baptist or worse shite could equate one life with a million.

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june tenth's avatar

the zionists do that all day everyday without blinking an eye. wait, that's the "worse" part...

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J M Hatch's avatar

Southern Baptist are super Zionist, as part of their belief in bring about 2nd coming of Christ. It's not in conflict with their anti-Semitism, as they expect the Jews to be used as fuel in the fires.

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Simon's avatar

Depends which God he's talking too. If its the God of the old testament maybe, the God of the new testament would undoubtedly say thou shall not kill your fellow man under any circumstance. Don't conflate the Bush, Blair et al faux Christian faith with that of Christian values. That is a smokescreen they serve another god. Christian values are the bedrock of all that works well in western societies, whether you acknowledge it or not.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Do you include the wars of religion as exemplary of superior values? What about WW I and II? Christians were blessing and making piles of money from them. What about colonialism, rationalized by Christian churches as civilizing/ Christianizing "savages", saving their souls? The Korean War? The Vietnam war? The wars, or more precisely, onslaughts against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria? The coups against elected left-wing leaders in Central and South America. There is no part of the world Christians have not made worse. And If Christians were not in charge, who was? and where were the Christians?

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Simon's avatar

Typically you chose to focus on the greed and ambition of individuals and tie that up with Christian faith. It was the profound application of Christian values which stopped the highly lucrative slave trade in the 19th century. For example. The activities of African and Muslim slave traders continued of course. And yes there are many misguided individuals in the Christian community, aside from the lying psychopaths who run global and national affairs and claim Christian faith. Blind Freddy can see they serve another master.

Christ did not say use these teachings to crush your brothers and sisters in the family of man. Quite the opposite. The ideal of love one another exists in that realm, to be strived for. It is a tough gig and takes time in the great scheme of things.

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One Existence's avatar

When God is being used as an excuse to act against HIS WISDOM it is called WORSHIPPING IN THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. If this was the point of "UTILIZED" it is well on point. Otherwise it is just a different side of the same SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN mentioned before.

BTW, the person complaining or better said SEEKING ATTENTION from equally deceived HUMAN MINDS, putting her grievances on display in THE PREFERRED MEDIUM USED BY THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN - THE REBELLIOUS UNFAITHFUL HUMAN MIND NOT ACCEPTING ANYTHING BEYOND ITS WORLDLY PRIDE AND MATERIAL BENEFIT - is equally succumbing to the seductions of THE DEVIL. As rightly pointed out in your comment about other participants in THIS GAME OF DECEPTION BY THE WORLDLY "KING" - THE HUMAN MIND - not ready/ willing to take its place as THE SERVANT in the ORDER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

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bot_483's avatar

Lame article. Too much emotional BS and bias.

To claim that putting a man in a cage for 60 years either in solitude or with only other sociopaths is somehow more moral than ending his life is not some cut and dry established fact, it is simply your conditioned response.

As far as the woman's dress at this somber occasion, your outrage at the decision is no better than their outrage at her decision to dress that way.

Sorry, Caitlan, your morality and worldview are not required to be adopted by anyone else and their decision not to do so is not, de facto, wrong morally, ethically, or legally (especially in a democracy).

Joe Nathan James Jr. was a sick sick animal. He was put down for good reason. Caging him for decades serves no purpose other than to assuage your fantasies about the goodness of men and the potential for some to be rehabilitated.

We here in the US just went through (and continue to in some backwards places) an anti-police/authority revolution in many cities which yielded the predictable results (see Minneapolis, for example). Some people require additional policing and authority (some don't, like the locked-down residents of AUS over the covid scare). Some people are simply sick and putting them down, in some people's opinion, is not the most unethical response.

You and the anti-American, anti-Xtian (how'd they get thrown in here this time??? Strawman, btw) have plenty to be upset about, and we living here are not entirely happy all the time too, like perhaps you there are. But the terminating of <20 people/year in a nation of 350,000,000 with nearly 10,000 homicides a year is simply a statistical nothingburger.

Articles/opinions like yours on this issue are the flaws I've come to expect from an otherwise well-meaning and more often well-grounded author.

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Locke's Conscience's avatar

Caitlin, at least show some class and educate your readers what Joe Nathan James Jr. was executed for..

After writing this disgrace, you should get on your hands and knees to apologize to his victim and her family.

RIP Faith Hall

Your rage is extremely unhealthy. You need help.

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russian_bot's avatar

It's about long legs in the short skirt with brazenly exposed toes to boot. They just happened to attempt to walk into that character's execution. The executionee does not matter, the executioners do.

Why is it so difficult to understand for quite a few here?

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One Existence's avatar

WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AS WELL AS EMPHASIS ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS?

It seems rather that some HUMAN MINDS are ABSOLUTELY SWAMPED with all sorts of grievances of past and present that they DON'T SEE THE WOODS FOR THE TREES!

BUT THAT'S WHAT THE REBELLIOUS UNFAITHFUL HUMAN MIND DOES: IT PICKS ONE DATA POINT WITH WHICH IT THEN PRETENDS TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN AND IN WORST CASE "RUNS" THE WOLRD! THAT'S LITERALLY SATAN IN DISGUISE AS GOD (not an old man with a beard if used as THE CONTENT and not for PICTORIAL PURPOSES)!

ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE!

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Thiago's avatar

Prosecutors claimed that James did not accept the rejection, as he began to stalk Hall over a period of months. He was also accused of showing up at her home, where she lived with her young daughters, who were aged three and six at the time. Legal documents allege that he also made death threats against Hall and her ex-husband.

Ultimately, on August 15, 1994, James followed Hall while she was doing her groceries with a friend. Hall proceeded to visit the friend's home, where James reportedly barged in and shot her thrice with a handgun.

What a nice guy! A victim of society for sure.

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russian_bot's avatar

And what do long legs have to do with it?

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Thiago's avatar

Legs? This is a tiny detail. I am just happy that a murderer is dead. I hope every murderer is killed.

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Patrick Tracey's avatar

Especially those who hide behind a uniform or badge.

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Thiago's avatar

If they kill innocents, I completely agree with you. But if they kill anyone guilty, they should win medals. (And I mean guilty of a real crime: Stealing, killing, raping, being a pedophile, etc. Not drugs, using the "wrong" pronoun, refusing the mrna injection, not wearing a seatbelt, paying taxes, and etc.)

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John Allen aka The Ol' Hippy's avatar

My wee sayin'. "Sometimes someone just needs killin'." The US court system isn't the way though. Just make certain they are the proper person.

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russian_bot's avatar

The skirt was tiny, and it made the detail significant.

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Kevin's avatar

Yep, nothing. So cover them and show some respect for everyone.

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russian_bot's avatar

Showing a leg on the beach, on the street, in the shopping center, in the office, is not disrespectful, I assume. It's in this particular situation that it is, according to you. Why? Isn't that the question Caitlin explores?

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Kevin's avatar

And here we go. The criminal on death row was given a fair trial and found guilty of murder. What was cruel was the waiting for almost 30 years to execute him.

It is a case of perspective. Is it more cruel to lock a person up for the rest of their lives?

And the skirt? Offended by the skirt? Maybe a bit of respect is in order. The legs, the open toed shoes are a projection of her ego. This isn't about her, but about the execution. This is a funeral for a living person. We don't show up at a funeral in short skirts, shorts and sneakers. It is not about Christianity. It is about respect for the victim and the person who is about to die. It is a solemn occasion.

Would you feel better if we called it a living abortion? Then it would be ok? Funny how hard people fight for their version of a right to kill.

And turning this into a human rights issue over women's attire? Then tying this to "world domination and violence" by men wearing cowboy hats?

The article displays a rabid hatred for common sense and respect. It projects a false sense of moral outrage.

The article could have been about Joe or the victims. Not some white liberal bullshit.

Sometimes we have to do what is right. And showing respect is always the right thing to do.

It is sad that any of this happens.

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Outsider's avatar

"World domination and violence by men wearing cowboy hats." Caitlin's paragraph was straight out of "Dr. Strangelove," only Russia was the target in Kubrick's excellent satire. Which country does the US nuke first? Russia or China? Or nuke them both at the same time? Decisions, decisions...

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CG Braswell's avatar

I realize, in the grand context of things, the following may be considered an academic point. But philosophically, I believe it’s still worth making:

States killing people, both at the individual level with government executions as a matter of criminal procedure, and, at the collective level like the myriad Iraqis or Afghans etc., are situations which all make legally perfect murderers of the respective tax base. Reconciling this straightline logic of culpability with one’s metaphysical convictions is not really possible to do in any honest way—not unless you like to kill, or are in favor of pluralities’ killing of third-parties not directly related to yourself—and that of course, does seem to describe many people. Also, secularly, I think such situations are demonstrative of the modern predominance of bad religion, thus, from a secularist point of view, it is also a conflation of church and state.

Also, time was, the option for a death penalty, often amounted to a humane alternative to long-term incarceration for the guilty or the otherwise condemned. Summary execution. Now, though, with the convoluted punishment by process, that’s so typical of American jurisprudence, a convict who’s capitally condemned is more likely to see double digit years on death row, not infrequently involving extended extraordinary situations like solitary confinement before being executed. That’s torture, basically, which is cruel therefore unconstitutional. That’s one constitutional protection to which even convicts, of any sort, are meant to remain privy. ~O.B.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

So much of what we read from the respected Caitlin Johnstone justifies being sent on to other people so that they can better understand the declining world of America “the exceptional”, as it is today.

But this effort by Caitlin sums it up better than anything I have read, worthy of the extra effort required in sending it on to others so that others can be better informed.

But commenters and others know that with just one or two exceptions, no country comes within a bull's roar of the cock-eyed (frighteningly dangerous) values and objectives of the United States. However, some examples follow, carefully tempered with restraint but hopefully showing accurate historical facts.

Ancient history

The UK. A past and decadent empire, capable of electing fools and knaves as leaders, trying to continue to live from past successes with colonisation , wars and “Commonwealth structures’, now well past their use-by-date as an example for others. The US learnt all they could from past English practices and then with a large touch of the macabre, found other way to form empires, their dirtiest (and for which they will always be remembered) the deadly (literally in the multi-millions) practice of sanctions, this list being far too long to print. Never ever to be forgotten.

Trying desperately to hold even their close neighbours, Ireland, Scotland and Wales together as controllable entities, worshipping an old Queen, curtseying as required and deferring to the Lords and Ladies, all entitled through questionable acts and added to for services to a Monarchy starting from a long past medieval period. But still there, every day, at a great cost. Outdated and reeking with contrived class distinctions.

A short memoried Reich

Germany. they seem to have forgotten 1939 as their new warlike leader (after years of a decent realistic leader) is now the most outspoken on the war in Ukraine, supporting the clown Prince Zelenskyy with weapons and virtually declaring war on one of the most powerful countries in the world.

He should not forget 1939. Not a good result for Germany. A mistake in those days being repeated in a minor way, by their actions today. Clever people, now badly led.

Medieval practitioners

Saudi Arabia. So many crimes and executions done in their name with seven long years of merciless killing in Yemen (supported of course by the US, Israel and the UK. What a team). A country which purchases more weaponry from the USA than almost the rest of the world together (therefore a close ally of the US); a country that has enormous wealth for the few, but treats woman as second class citizens and controls the masses with a strict police and military regime that accepts no challenge to their power. Oil wealth soon to decline.

Machiavellian (self-acclaimed) master race.

Israel. A country that unquestionably controls the USA, lock, stock and barrel through historical and well established Private Banking organisations, graft and political corruption and well controlled bribery in all political circles. Armed with 400+ nuclear warheads, their objectives being to remove Iran from the map of the world and to totally control the Middle East, expanding its own borders (Eretz Israel) from the Euphrates River to the Nile which includes Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, parts of Syria, a little of Turkey, Kuwait and Egypt, large parts of Saudi Arabia, all as soon as possible, but with America's assistance (following Israel's directions of course).

One nuclear warhead "for every capital in the world if necessary”, the Israeli “mad dog” philosophy, expanding every year, thanks to America. Every decision from the Israeli AIPAC (US based). and the Israeli Neocons (US based) obediently obeyed by the likes of Biden and his team of warmongering Neocons. The parasites of the modern world.

The Devil’s disciples

Canada, France, Australia and New Zealand, all little servile bag carriers for anything American, fighting their wars, doing what they are told, hiding under various “agreements”, military groupings such as ANZUS, QUAD, AUKUS, and many Free Trade Agreements and with a history of subservient war activities like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan being the final battlefield for all. For the moment, that is.

Without the influence of the corrupted and devious USA, all of the above would vanish,….. overnight.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I find your "proper servants of the Lord" verbiage so appropriate. Chris Hedges warned us about Christian Fascists 15+ yrs. ago. In this time of metaphysical distress, I see a few folks I once thought to be sane dissolving themselves into this fundamentalist fairy tale, likely costing me a friendship because I can no longer rely on that person's ability to think critically about existence. Very painful to see this stuff happening, but predictable as the few threads still binding US society together continue to unravel in the face of a covert class war.

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russian_bot's avatar

Yeah, friendships are going left and right. But that's just an indicator that the crisis indeed is real.

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Louisette's avatar

I agree with you Caitlin but I also don’t think it’s the place to show off your legs. Do it elsewhere. It shows lack of taste. But then it’s America.

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Victor Bunch's avatar

My 2-cents, Anyone no mater the color or anyone of the hundreds of genders that has little enough respect for another person to shoot and kill and deprive his/her children of a parent should be delt with the same measure of and that means shot thrice in the head! And as far as the long naked legs cover them! That may be why James was following her he saw two much skin!!! Jus-a-saying,,, And also women that has little enough respect for herself too show her self does not get respect from me! I for one do not care to see your ass or no where close to it,,,

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John Allen aka The Ol' Hippy's avatar

And the South no less.

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Merfy Mac's avatar

"Let us all dress like proper servants of the Lord as we abandon our humanity and march to the drumbeat of money and empire over the edge and into the loving arms of oblivion."

Fine inspiring sermon! We are the elect and we hear your holy words of love. Let us pray...

p.s. Didn't hear the last few sentences. Think they were about some evil criminal being humanely executed in the blessed mercy seat. The man is in God's hands now. It is not for us to judge. It is not for us to second guess the law. We are the chosen congregation. Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name...

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George Cornell's avatar

This is a country whose priorities are warped beyond all reason. May I say those priorities are accessible only by colonoscopy. Proper fashion for executions? Why yes, it’s the dignity of the victim we’re worried about.

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russian_bot's avatar

Likely not as no proper cleansing can be achieved.

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George Cornell's avatar

It’s a metaphor.

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russian_bot's avatar

My attempt to extend it apparently failed.

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silverwind9's avatar

These are extremist. To not even listen to the pleas of the family about execution was far from justice. I am a Christian. That is not the issue. White washed Pharisee law is!

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John Allen aka The Ol' Hippy's avatar

Too revealing shoes? WTF does that even mean? (As a man is strapped down for his ultimate demise, BTW.) Too bad Ol' Ripley isn't alive, it would be a good piece for the old Sunday funnies section of the local paper! Or the annals of the Psychotic Times. Peace

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russian_bot's avatar

Maybe the officers of the court were aware of Michael Frank's take on toes and thought they'd be distracted by the image of "I like to feel your warm Brazil and touch your Panama".

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june tenth's avatar

pull your pointy head out of your stinky butt hole first. you may be able to hear me better then.

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D T's avatar

Murderer still became non-living, correct?

Not seeing a problem.

Are you some kind of child, that you do not grasp the ins and outs of crime and punishment?

This POS stalked, threatened, and terrorized a young mother for three months because she refused to date him..then he shot her to death in front of a friend in cold blood.

The punishment fits the crime, though it should have happened thirty years ago.

"Victims family" does not get to choose sentence..if they did, I suspect you'd have a lot more executions to whine about.

As for the reporter who decided to dress for the nightclub when attending an execution?

To hell with her and her hurt feelings.

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