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Dx's avatar

Every single point right on target, Caitlin.

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Levi Tate's avatar

Every point except I didn't see this one: Israel L I H O P

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Did you know that:

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-details-unveiled-of-idf-intel-on-oct-7-plans-consults-hours-before-hamas-attack/

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"Israel had multiple sources of information on Hamas’s drills and other preparations for an assault in the weeks ahead of October 7, reportedly including a 2022 Hamas attack plan.

Channel 12 also reported Monday that a TV drama series broadcast last year on Hamas TV that featured terrorists infiltrating Israel was publicly hailed by Hamas’s Gaza chief Yahya Sinwar as “an inseparable part of what we are preparing.”

Hamas TV broadcast the series during Ramadan in late spring 2022, the report said. It dramatized an attack on Israel featuring the use of white pickup trucks, the disabling of Israeli communications, and the targeting of kibbutzim and IDF bases — including the Re’im base where the IDF Gaza Division is located. It also showed soldiers being kidnapped, and the establishment of a Palestinian base at an IDF base.

Along with footage from the Hamas show, the Israeli network showed a clip from a televised award ceremony held in Gaza later in 2022, at which Sinwar handed out prizes to the show’s producers.

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“This series is an inseparable part of what we are preparing — the great preparations we are making with our brothers in the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades,” he was shown saying, referring to Hamas’s military wing. Sinwar cited “the weaponry that they are producing” and their “intelligence gathering.”

Hamas’s military wing, he said, “is absolutely planning for the liberation and return.”

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The NYT and many Israeli media reported that Israel, a year before Oct 7th, had captured a multi-paged, detailed, plan Hamas had prepared for invading Israel.

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Levi Tate's avatar

Here is a NYT article, republished in the Irish TImes, and found in the archives:

https://archive.ph/QRMKD

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And perhaps most damning: The Israeli military did not even have a plan to respond to a large-scale Hamas attack on Israeli soil, according to current and former soldiers and officers. If such a plan existed on a shelf somewhere, the soldiers said, no one had trained on it and nobody followed it. The soldiers that day made it up as they went along.

“In practice, there wasn’t the right defensive preparation, no practice, and no equipping and building strength for such an operation,” said Yom Tov Samia, a major general in the Israeli reserves and former head of the military’s southern command.

“There was no defence plan for a surprise attack such as the kind we have seen on October 7th,” said Amir Avivi, a brigadier general in the reserves and a former deputy commander of the Gaza division, which is responsible for protecting the region.

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"Making matters worse, the military has acknowledged that it moved two commando companies – more than 100 soldiers – to the West Bank just two days before the attack, a reflection of Israel’s mistaken belief that a Hamas attack was not an imminent threat.

That left three infantry battalions and one tank battalion along Gaza’s border. But October 7th was the Jewish holiday of Simchat Torah, and the Sabbath. A senior military officer estimated that about half the 1,500 soldiers in the area were away. He said another infantry battalion had been reassigned years earlier after Israel finished building a security wall around Gaza."

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Levi Tate's avatar

Despite all the troops being away the Rave Party was allowed to take place a mere 3 miles from the Gaza walls. They had Hamas' detailed plan, they knew the Rave Party was in the danger zone. The officer in charge of approving/disapproving such an event said NO to the 'needless security risk' of a Rave Party in the danger zone, but he was overruled by higher-ups.

"In private conversations, some officers in the Gaza Division told of irregular conduct and pressure surrounding the approval of the party,"

Haaretz, "Israel's Paper of Record":

https://archive.is/9msVK

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Jack Lomax's avatar

That Hamas could breach the world's most secure electronic an physical barrier on Oct7 and rampage on a killing spree is only believed because the mainstream media treat it as a credible fact. That Hamas thought they could do it only shows the deeps of their desperation and the cunningness of the Zionists to lead them into believing this most unlikely proposition . The Zionist are deeply cunning and have the use of western media to applaud their unlawful response

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Courageous Lion's avatar

And unfortunately millions of Zionist "Christians" that see the people of Gaza as a direct threat to the rest of the planet. It's a mental sickness to say the least. Religion as a whole is the most destructive element on the planet when it comes to the basic beliefs that permeate ALL of them.

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Just sayn's avatar

Hamas was created and funded by Israel, US ."Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.”-

Benjamin Netanyahu–March 2019 as told to the Likud Party’s members of the Knesset.

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Just sayn's avatar

A shift in the Political Climate of Americans from ignorant blind support to one of revulsion with the revocation of any aid or support to Israel in any way, shape or form would be a welcome change of Climate. To include purging our government of all Israel apologists.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

Just as the US had to have it's excuse to invade the middle east with 911 and with the help of the MOSSAD pulled it off, so IsraeLIE had to have it's 911 to massacre the people standing in the way of their total occupation of the area and the theft of the oil that is off the coast. We are so fortunate as a planet to have nothing but PSYCHOPATHIC CONTROL FREAK PARASITES running the world don't you think? How about a few days when NORMAL people turn PSYCHO and have a purge of these mental rejects.

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Klonda56's avatar

This is not all that deep or complicated and there are no contradictions involved.

The message is: “white power”.

White people have the right to take it all. And no one else has rights. Not to the value of land, property or nature, of just fruits of your own labour. Not even the right to life.

That’s what the “west” is all about.

Until that seeps through and becomes the primary idea to overturn, and new identities established that actually have a constructive framing - there will be a lot of wasted outrage, confusion and cul de sacs.

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bill wolfe's avatar

How do you explain US hatred of Russia ("white people")?

How do you explain US willingness to kill over 500,000 Ukrainians ("white people") in a proxy war?

How do you explain US killing of Germans ("white people") in 2 world wars?

How do you explain US government policy to subsidize the corporate disinvestment and deindustrialization of the US, which destroyed millions of "white" communities, jobs, standards of living et al and led to "deaths of despair" of mostly "white" men?

How do you explain the incarceration and economic exploitation of millions of "white" working class, poor, and homeless "white" men and women?

The idea of "race" was created by capitalism.

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emu's avatar

a wise Moroccan once told me: ' i am better than you' is the root of all evil.

or a thievery corporation sang : 'Todo es producto de un ambición Que nunca se saciará'

don't think imbecile thoughts, atrocious wars have been fought before capitalism and by all 'races'.

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Elisabeth's avatar

Race created by capitalism - totally agree! Very well said in 1948 by George Kennan: We have about 50% of the worlds' wealth, but only 6.3% of its population ... we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity ... To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and daydreamings ... We should cease to talk about vague and .. unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization ... we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better. (out of the excellent book by Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick - The untold history of the United States - what I just started reading!)

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Marci Sudlow's avatar

Some white people are more equal than other white people, but ALL white people are superior to non white native persons. At least that's the thinking.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

The thinking by who? You obviously and anyone else who thinks that was needs to get on meds.

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Lynne Dempsey's avatar

The 2023 film Origen based on a thesis looks at this issue as one of caste not race. It looks at three historical contexts - the Dalit population dehumanised in India (clearly the same race) the Black American experience and the targeting of European Jews for extermination in Nazi Germany. The arguments make a lot of sense. Watch it! It is somewhat overlong though. We can look at the dispossessed and exploited as a Caste instead of race.

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Lynne Dempsey's avatar

Sorry for carelessly misspelling Origin

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Courageous Lion's avatar

Well I must be of the caste of "untouchables". I see many black folks who are more well to do than I am materialistically. Fancy cars, fancy houses etc. Then I start asking questions. OH WOW!!! They have a well paying government job that someone that was better qualified happened to be WHITE wasn't hired because you know...affirmative action. IE racial discrimination on the WHITE guy who had the higher IQ and more education than the black guy. Oh so fair it is, isn't it? For instance, look at the moron that was appointed to the supreme Court that couldn't answer the question of what a woman was. How did she get there? Because she was BLACK, surely not because of qualifications. Because ANYONE who couldn't answer that question easily was more qualified than that liberal whack job. I'm of the belief that the best QUALIFIED person should get the job and I don't give a rats ass what color they are, what sex they are, or what they do in their bedroom. QUALIFIED. Does anyone even know the meaning of the word anymore?

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nosey parker's avatar

No. Transgender politics made her answer the way she did. Another form of colonialism. Men colonizing women-only spaces. As though they don't hog enough. Some people of color spend more money on cars than housing as a more affordable status symbol. Some poor Whites do the same. Some Whites buy more house than they can afford. Where I live as $50K truck is often parked next to a $3K trailer. People who can't afford medical care tool around on $1K 4-wheelers. Go figure. IQ tests are extremely skewed towards "White" people (it's cultural, not racial). And grades from nursery school on are revised up or down depending on what "race" you are judged to be. In my experience, by quite a lot. So that determines what school you get into and what funding you get for your education which affects how far you can go, and the school you go to affects what job you get, on and on. I'm sure you are insufferably intelligence, graduated first in your class from Harvard (a corporate school that has produced far more fools than it has a right to), etc. Or maybe not.

Or maybe the person who got the job you wanted deserved it. Maybe. Maybe not. As a woman, I have to say that life is not fair. It just isn't.

Of course, if your first line of defense is roaring, I'm not surprised.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

you mean that before capitalism, there was no concept of race ?

Capitalism is an economic belief

Recognizing the concept of race is certainly not evil!!!!!!!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

The concept of "race" is fairly modern. When Portuguese traders started taking and selling captured Africans (POWs from various tribal wars) then the concept of race was set in place. Those who were enslaved became "less than" those who owned them. Up until that time in Europe, people with darker skin weren't seen as being that much different from fellow Europeans. Look at the "Moor" in Shakespeare's play "Othello" He's married to a white woman--it wasn't a big deal at that point, but as slavery and the slave trade grew and grew and spread to the "New World" (Turtle Island), the idea of "free labor" caught on with the plantation owners. Capitalism essentially created the concept of "race" (darker skin people are "less than" whites, which included Native Americans) to help it make profits and grow its businesses.

I would argue that recognizing "race" (which biologists tell us is not a real thing--it doesn't exist since we all can interbreed and create more humans together, so we're not different species which is what race implies) is evil and is certainly what keeps capitalism going when it should have died off long ago.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

So until recently people did not recognize races ?

And again, doing so it not a sign of immorality

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Prejudice against people because of their perceived "race" is immoral. Only racists get hung up on people's ethnicity, IMO.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

Exactly. I am prejudiced against individual PEOPLE. I don't care what color they are, what sex they are or what sexual preference they have. As long as they act like normal people and don't want to rob, rape, steal, murder or whatever, I'm fine with them. But I would NOT get off the freeway at 2:00 AM at 79th street and 7th avenue in Miami Florida because I'm WHITE and it is a SURVIVAL instinct knowing what takes place there with black on white violence. There are videos all over youtube of black people attacking white people and doing so for one reason...THEY ARE WHITE. I have an answer for a black person that does that crap. It will make a very large air conditioned hole in their face.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

All you prove is that you NEVER NEVER supported Freedom of Asossocation

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

the LIBERAL SOCIAL RIGHT to Freedom of Association MEANS

you may associate with whomever you choose AS LONG as COERCION is nor involved

The means Freedom of (racist) nassocations too

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Check out this excellent video on YouTube: How Race Was Invented (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7sxTnWeQ8s)

(It is well sourced with references and additional reading material as to the history of Racism)

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said "The Revolution Continues". I respect your knowledge and awareness on so many issues. Thank you!

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Courageous Lion's avatar

How ridiculous. I guess DOG breeds aren't a real thing either. After all, all dogs can breed so there really isn't any different breads of dogs. There are obviously at LEAST three distinct races. And sure we can interbreed and end up being one brown race in the end result. All the blue eyes, blond and red hair would be GONE. WTF use some reason, logic and common sense these days? Surely you need to use a bit more of it. There are OBVIOUS racial differences that allow one race to be "superior" over the other in a particular place in society. Why do white people make better swimmers than black people? Why do black people do better in short distance running than white people? Why do black people accel in contact sports like boxing? Want to know the answers? Hell no, because the answers blow your there are no races belief to pieces. And if you talk about it, you have to be a "racist". BULL.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Jim Thorpe was an American Indian. Read up on how many Olympic medals he won. "Red people" (my grandfather's people) are therefore "superior" to all other "races" of people. There. I've won the race argument. Are you happy, "inferior race" persons? SHEESH!

Talk to a biologist. There is no such thing as "race." Human beings all have the same number of chromosomes. We are all the same. Social constructs of "superiority" and "inferiority" are relative recent phenomena associated with the disease known as "capitalism." Capitalism only works when it has lesser classes of people to exploit so the capitalists can collect all the wealth from the labor of the working classes. Read Marx.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

I'm sure you would never consider reading something like this. https://www.amazon.com/RACIAL-DIFFERENCE-More-Than-Skin/dp/0997959177 Because you're mind is made up. I've read Marx. The USA is a communist paradise. I can prove it. I'm not in any way arguing for "racial superiority". Who ever would read anything I write and come up with that is because of comprehension issues. https://www.courageouslion.us/p/communism-american-style

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Courageous Lion's avatar

I know exactly who Jim Thorpe was and he was an exceptional athlete. His achievements do not translate into a whole group of people. If the group could all claim to be as adept at what he was, then yes, they would be “superior” to other racial groups. That is like saying all blacks are superior because Mohammed Ali was able to beat the crap out of most anyone he fought. Did you know that the black people as a whole have less pieces that make up their skull? Making it harder than say a white Caucasian skull? Making it able to take more physical punishment? Does that make their skull superior to one that can be damaged easier? Absolutely. I’m sure a LOT had to do with Thorpe’s genetics which are racial whether you and your so called biologists agree or not.

If you can look at the physical make up of Asians, Whites and Blacks and can’t see an obvious difference, you’re blind deaf and dumb.

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nosey parker's avatar

A lot of Black people are not taught to swim when kids. Actually, when I was a kid, Jim Crow meant that I couldn't use the public pool in my grandparents' town--my scary (WHITE) aunt made sure we were allowed in, however. (She was quite the bully. Also a White Supremacist.) Otherwise, we would have had to swim in the cement canals used for irrigation on my grandparents' farm where several of my (WHITE!) cousins drowned.

Swedes teach their babies to swim by throwing them in the deep end when they're only a few months old. They're pretty good swimmers but I don't think it's because of their "race".

Dog breeds have been artificially created by humans. They do not occur naturally. And most breeds have organic problems caused by the interbreeding to bring out specific characteristics.

All blue-eyed people are descended from one individual whose blue eyes were a genetic mutation. If the planet heats up too much, all the blue-eyed, blond, red-haired people may be gone. Or not. Maybe the rest of us will protect you from yourselves. Well, actually you can find genetic anomalies in almost every group of people, due to recessive genes. This biological argument doesn't hold water. Some black people have blue eyes, as do Arabs, Kashmiris have green, blue, hazel eyes, etc. ad nauseam. Study Mendel, why don't you?

And, yes, Kashmiris think they are superior to other Indians. It's a side effect of British colonialism, I think.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

"Race" was invented by an amateur anthropologist from Austria in the late 1800s. He was homosexual and had a preference for young boys in the Caucasus mountains. Hence the "superiority" of the Caucasian and later "White" and "Aryan" 'races'.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

What malarkey. The creator made the races. They are OBVIOUS. I mean really? You people live in an alternate reality. Really? INVENTED? Give me a break. Anyone with eyes can see the difference in races.

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Mike Fish's avatar

The creator???

Okay, I think understand your gibberish now.

Tell me, was this “creator” of a particular “race”.

Which one, if you care to venture a “guess”???

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Courageous Lion's avatar

“Okay, I think understand your gibberish now.” Talk about gibberish. LOL! I’m not debating you.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

That is a lot to conclude from his PREFERENCES

No criminal action mentioned

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Franz Kafka's avatar

It sounds like you knew him.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

I used the wording of the person who write the comment

He refers to COLLECTIVIST beliefs based upon a person's personal preferences

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nosey parker's avatar

Race was created by colonialism. At one time your beloved "White" Americans were not considered White in the US. Benjamin Franklin considered only people with "pure" (what a laugh) English heritage to be "lily White". Everyone else was not White. This was not that long ago as the crow flies. He would not consider most "White" Americans today to be "White". Yes, your beloved Uncle Ben!

Russia: global competition and we haven't invaded or bombed them yet

Ukraine: global competition and minerals and a couple biolabs and the INSANE adolescent fantasies of the CIA. The CIA really is nuts, as JFK knew.

Germans: You have to ask? Seriously, Bill? (Ben Franklin did not consider them "White"; a lot of "White" Americans don't either.

Incarceration and economic exploitation: most incarcerated are of color; economic exploitation--capitalism requires a huge underclass

The idea of "race" was created by European colonialism. History books are your friend. Actually, race does not exist. It's a social construct. Go to India and look at the caste system. That makes as much sense as our concept of race.

But it is true that "Whites" form a social class. It is hard to "pass" if you are not "White". And "White" people do have unconscious assumptions of people who look different from them. The minute differences are not apparent to people from another culture, just as their ways of defining differences in social status are not obvious to us.

For example, European Jews pass in the US today. Arab Jews do not. They don't pass in Israel either.

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bill wolfe's avatar

What do you think was the key driver of colonialism?

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nosey parker's avatar

Originally it was trade. I.e. with Phoenicia. Developing "wealth". But that's not the sort of colonialism that began racism, I don't think. That was modern European colonialism--a late player in the game, starting around the 15th century. You might throw the Crusades in, which began a couple hundred years earlier. The Europeans demanded acknowledgement of superiority over the colonized. The Phoenicians didn't do that. And I don't think the Persians or Arabs did either. In fact, the Islamic Empire recognized the value of the cultures of the colonized, and allowed them a lot of freedom to carry on. It was the Western Europeans who created racism as an ideology to justify domination of people as well as the destruction of their cultures, religions, etc. The colonized provided free or almost free labor and the colonizer took the spoils home. They increased the "value" of the spoils by a sort of VAT. Value Added Tax. The cotton from fields in the American South went to the mills of England where a textile trade flourished; those products were sold around the world at a nice profit. And the ships stopped off in Africa to board a lot of new free labor to dump on plantations in the new world. "Coolies" were brought over to build the railroad. Native Americans were largely, but not entirely, killed. You had to have an ideology to make sure everyone knew their place in the system. The timber cut in the United States went elsewhere, as did most of the skins from trapped animals, etc.

But colonialism began much earlier than racism.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

Klonda56 is a whatever race he/she is supremist. And has the victim mentality...white people did it all. When I was back in high school in the 1970's what I found is that many black people had a skewed sense of morality. They thought robbing, raping, stealing was OK AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GET CAUGHT. Because it was white man's "law". I suspect that a lot of that permeates the black inner city cultures to this day. Getting caught was the "sin", committing the act was OK since it was "whitey's" law.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said Bill Wolfe! Thank you!

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russian_bot's avatar

Well said Change! I wish more people would understand what you just said.

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Stephanie Hart's avatar

Not about being white, has nothing to do with color of skin, all about humanity in general, some humans considered less humans than others, then trying to week through all the lies, Zionists are not about humanity, they are about satan

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

The Zionist far right is a manifestation of white supremacy. Political Zionist from its inception was an exclusively Ashkenazi-elite circle with no Sephardic nor Mizrahi/Arab representation. When Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews acquiesced to Zionist demands and emigrated to Khazaria, they were forced to culturally assimilate to white European culture. https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/zionism-is-an-ashkenazi-thing-how-zionism-engineered-the-expulsion-of-iraqs-arab-jews/

Also, Israelis actively discriminate against "Beta Israel" Ethiopian Jews.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

It isn't white supremacy explicitly. It's a belief system that claims they are "Gods" chosen and thus can do whatever the fuck they want and it's OK.

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. The white-supremacism aspect of the Zionist "State of Israel" indeed is not explicit, though nonetheless (subtly?) woven into the cultural fabric of the criminal regime.

As to the "God's chosen" aspect, it's a(n almost ironic) two-way "appropriation duplication": first, the Jewish notion of a "chosen people" by race was borrowed by the Nazis into their Ariosophical-Arianist volkischism (G. K. Chesterton, "The Judaism of Hitler," Jul. 7, 1933) with partial influence by "Jewish" Kabbalism, and then the Zionists politically, in practice, synthesized Nazi racial policy into their own supremacist neo-Lebensraum campaign to exterminate the Palestinians.

Hegel said that the clash between thesis and antithesis yields synthesis, which is a conciliation and combination of the two. In the case of WWII, the Nazi-Zionist Holocaust against European Jewry resulted ultimately in the combination of Nazism and Jew-"ism" into... Judeo-Nazism, or what is commonly, euphemistically known as "Zionism."

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John Turcot's avatar

Stephanie,

Don't know about Zionists or Satan, but I was informed there are about 15,000 nuclear bombs aimed at our collective stupidity... a characteristic that seems utterly colorblind...

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Just a small quibble: Who created the nuclear and hydrogen bombs?

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

A bunch of white males, I believe.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

"Generalities are the realm of the idiot." - William Blake.

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Mike Fish's avatar

Yeah, I do find it curious that it seems to be acceptable to say “whites are”, “Americans are”, “Zionists are”, “democrats are”, republicans are”, but when someone say “Jews are”, there’s a hue and cry of disapproval.

Hippo-critical???

Quizzical.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

That's your answer to his answer? And you talk about idiots? Look in the mirror.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

It's WHITE SUPREMACY 🤦‍♀️

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Franz Kafka's avatar

No. Evil is colorblind.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

THIS IS WHITE SUPREMACY 🤦‍♀️

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gypsy33's avatar

Agree 100% Jasmine. I do not identify as white, though because I have blonde hair and green eyes most others might think me so. My skin is the color of coffee with cream.

However. If race doesn’t matter, why did newscasters fret that the Ukrainians are “so much like us”? Why have others mentioned that IsraHellis “look like us”? Who the fuck is US?

And why does the news completely ignore Haiti, Sudan and Congo? Because those are children of a Lesser God, in their thinking.

As are the brown Palestinians.

Don’t anyone DARE tell me that racism does not exist.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

Because of white supremacy. Which is a subset of human supremacy, brought to us by Christianity. Which is also white supremacy.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

White people are a race of idiots. Do the Chinese let every other third world inhabitant storm their borders? Do the black countries of Africa welcome white folks with wide open arms? We white people put up with shit way tooooooooo long.

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gypsy33's avatar

Oh. And have white people stolen entire continents from their indigenous inhabitants?

Ask Caitlin.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

The term is CONQUERED. It's was an in thing back then. And still seems to be in vogue. What country is the most aggressive in the world towards brown people in the middle east? Besides IsraeLIE? And yet that same country allows robbers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, sex trafficker's and who knows what else with black and brown skin to pour through the southern borders by the millions? Seems a little bit double minded to me.

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gypsy33's avatar

No.

It’s STOLEN.

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Mike Fish's avatar

You jumbled your words at the end.

Instead: “We put up with white people shit way tooooooooo long.”

You know the ones: “Robbers, Rapists, Pedophiles, Drug Dealers, Sex Traffickers.”

SETTLER COLONIALISTS

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Courageous Lion's avatar

No, my words jumbled your brains. You know what I wrote and the meaning. What are you? A white guy with white guilt? WAAAAAA...go cry in your tea.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

I think that reducing this, so crudely, to race is a big mistake and is just laying the foundation for further disasters and injustices.

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Kojo's avatar

Genocide is indeed crude. its a very crude action.And it's racial action.

When the entire west gangs up to aid, abbett, protect, fund and arm blatant genocide, well you'd better stop pretending what its about.

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gypsy33's avatar

Well said Kudjoe!

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Michael's avatar

This is more divisive language that is unproductive. It’s bs used by ‘racism industry’ grifters to MAKE MONEY not to improve lives. Racism is growing BECAUSE of this kind of narrative. We need to stop it. What is a ‘white person’? Where are we seeing white supremacy, that is, people oppressing others because they think white people are biologically better? It’s VERY RARE. I’d say it’s happening in Israel but not because they are ‘white’

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Klonda56's avatar

You haven’t the slightest.

What we have is a growing global industry of profitable mass murder, enabled by the impunity of racial superiority. Transnational white supremacy. And yes the Israeli’s have transformed into oppressors in this system. In just a couple of generations.

James Baldwin pinned a lot of this one decades ago. Read his essay “On Being White….And Other Lies”.

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Michael's avatar

This grift is an attempt by elites to get classes to fight amongst themselves. There’s plenty of people who are not black or brown who are oppressed by the system. The real issue is classism not racism but they want to make it about race. I’ll read Baldwin but it’s no longer 1960s. Racism would die if we let it. Instead, it grows and THATS WHAT THE ELITE CLASS WANTS

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said Michael! I wish more people would understand what you just said.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

It's the old "divide and conquer" scenario. Biden to a black guy..."If you don't vote for me, you're not black." Like WTF???

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Leon Brown, Jr.'s avatar

Exactly right.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

"Racism is growing BECAUSE of this kind of narrative. We need to stop it. "

Just like Freedom of Speech supports racist speech,

Freedom of Association supports racist associations.

Stopping all racism means violating those rights too!!!!

Racism started out as a belief and not an action.

Freedom of Belief supports racist beliefs too

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Michael's avatar

True, I don’t advocate for ‘stopping it’ by laws or speech infringement. I’m wanting us to be more critical about the narratives around this subject and suspicious of intentions. Seeing through grifts as a society will stop it

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Michael's avatar

What does this mean Jasmine?

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The Underdog's avatar

I think this is a naive hottake from liberal brainwashing.

Israel isn't "white", they're middle-eastern (I.E. a tanned complexion), and the Nazis, who you would consider 'white power', *hated the Jews*. Dumbing it down to a skin colour is a misleading trope.

You might have seen it regurgitated in a lot of media outlets, but these are the same ones that defend Israel. They scapegoat white people, because it deflects from "Zionist power". Do you think the average redneck could even find Israel or Palestine on a map?

Depending on which subset of "rednecks" you ask, you will either encounter Christian *Zionists* (there's that word again) who braindead support Israel no matter how many tenets of Christianity it violates, or the rednecks who hate Jewish folks.

Either way; not 'white power'. Check the religious beliefs and (dual!) nationalities of the people in US government next time - you'll be in for a surprise.

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Klonda56's avatar

Slathering buzzwords like naive or hot take whatever that might be…..does not cover up for a total lack of insight.

This is straightforward white colonialist mass murder, expected here systematically and COLLECTIVELY by racist societies with a long history of such mass murder.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-genocide-against-palestinians-colonial-tradition

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/war-gaza-west-israel-buying-time-accomplish-genocide

And treated in this vein by the media

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/gaza-palestinians-slaughtered-do-not-exist-western-media

Anyone who thinks it’s an isolated incident, well I’ve got a lovely American-built “aid pier” just off the coast of Gaza that I can sell you.

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gypsy33's avatar

Isreahellis are NOT Middle Eastern. They’re European and Brooklyn-ese.

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Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Your raaaayce card is way overdrawn.

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Aaron Shaw's avatar

You may be the most ignorant racist I have ever seen but you're right about 1 thing, your views are not that deep

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Klonda56's avatar

Your comment offer zero input on the ongoing geniocide, or racism, or apartheid. Or media complicity in packaging it.

You had nothing to say. Just abuse.

IGF sock puppet.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

22 people "liked" this nonsensical screed? You're not a racist in the least bit I can tell. What special class or skin color do you attach your idiocy to? Go to Africa and see what constructive framing the majority of the continent lives in. People like you have mental issues.

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Mazirian's avatar

Whilst this is often true, it’s not always the case. To be more accurate, it’s about power.

For instance, the biggest bogeyman for the West at present is Russia, an essentially white country.

Putin (white) is Satan incarnate and must be overthrown.

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Klonda56's avatar

You already jumped off the phoney “aid pier” in search of red herring.

This here is a genocide and it’s enabled by a colonial gang and perpetrated on the usual subjects of colonialism.

End of story.

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Mazirian's avatar

I think you replied to the wrong comment, either that or you’re just confused.

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Dr.Who's avatar

And the only reason for its continued perpetuation is the inordinate imbalance of military power. All we need is the scale to tip…just a tad. Not calling for the imbalance to flip. But just enough to be a deterrent - to use the white-side’s term.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Why then Brad BLUE and not

Brad WHITE ... ???🤔🤔🤔🤔

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Once travelling to foreign lands, tell THAT any descendant of formerly colonized folks around the globe ...

Good luck with that and hope to hear from you again !!

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Bill Edley's avatar

Even Hitler's Nazi and SS tried to hide the Holocaust...but Netanyahu and most of Israel's Zionists say and do crimes against humanity in full world view. Oh, and Biden tries to fake remorse.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Zionist rabbi Yaacov Perrin in 1994:

"One MILLION Arab lives are not worth a SINGLE Jewish fingernail" (He did not elaborate though on whether thumb or pinky, therefore the 10^6 could well be on the lower end ...)

Their intentions could not be made more clear and we should not be surprised if the current Gaza massacre turns out to just be a local dress-rehearsal for more activities of this kind somewhere else ...

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Sometimes, jews seem to be not much better than a crazed, rabid gang of ghetto rats.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

The contents of your post does not even meet basic requirements for a nom-de-plume like yours ...

NEVER EVER conflate genuine, self-respecting Jews with Zionists, or else, not even ghetto-rats !!!

PLEASE !!!

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Pay more attention to the word "sometimes" and do try to calm yourself.

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Sera's avatar

Language skills such as syntax, word choice, and general usage help to make meaning clear. If a number of people took this message in a certain way, it’s the duty of the author to make the meaning comprehensible, and conform with your intention.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

"A number of people" may be standing around waiting to be insulted. I am intrigued that the upset of my words for them is so great it seems that they have little room left for the outrage that the genocide in Gaza should be causing. Which genocide is, btw, is entirely, 100% run by jews. Want to bicker more about authorial style and hurt feelings? Be my guest.

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martin's avatar

they run it 100%, but they get a lot of support from the usual suspects, imo - (they must be so proud).

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Gregor McIntosh's avatar

How about stop believing the Zionist lie that it’s the same as Judaism?

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bill wolfe's avatar

The NY Times is lying again on page one by printing Blinken's lies that blame Hamas for Israel's rejection of the US cease fire/end the slaughter proposal:

Blinken Says Fate of Cease-Fire Proposal ‘Is Down to’ Hamas Leader

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/11/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas

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John Mann's avatar

At least they told some truth when they published this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-detention-base.html

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http://coronistan.blogspot.com's avatar

"Ignoring Daily Massacres In Gaza While Still Babbling About October 7" If you own the media…

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Sam's avatar

And ignoring what was happening on October 6 and every day before that going back 75 years.

One of Caitlin’s best was 'why I don’t condemn Hamas.'

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http://coronistan.blogspot.com's avatar

She should. Hamas is one of ISrahell's Trojan horses. If you finance a terror organization you own it. The others have name like IS/ISIL/ISIS, Hesbollah, Al CIAda, Hoothis…

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gypsy33's avatar

Some of those groups you named are known as “Freedom Fighters”.

The IsraHellis are beggars and cowards. The Hout’hi are HEROES. What men they are!

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Here's the WaPo article about the American Jewish Billionaires who held a WhatsApp call to pressure government and University officials to crackdown on the Pro-Palestine protests. These are the same people who fund the "Jewish Lobby" which includes AIPAC and ADL and other organizations which own the American Government:

https://archive.ph/u8RUt

Billionaires mentioned in the article include:

Howard Schultz: Starbucks Jew

Michael Dell: Dell Computer Jew

Bill Ackman: Hedgefund Jew

Joshua Kushner: Thrive Cap Jew

Daniel Lubetzky: Kind Snack Jew

Daniel Loeb: Third Point Fund Jew

Len Blavatnik: USSR graft Jew

Joseph Sitt: Ashley Stewart Jew

Barry Sternlicht: Starwood Jew

Yakir Gabay: Aroundtown Israeli

Fabien Levy: Dep Mayor NYC Jew

Ted Deutch: D-FLA Jew

ActBlue Link set up by these men to buy Mayor Adams of NYC:

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/eric-adams-2025-1

In no way is this post meant to smear all Jews. There are some very brave individuals including Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate and Norm Finkelstein.

However, it is important to understand that this group seems to suffer from the same psychotic narcissism that Finkelstein has said the Israeli population suffers from. I, for one, will never buy another Starbucks.

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Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Envy is not a good thing!

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John Turcot's avatar

"The empirical war machine" is the driving force of many national economies.... as well as the corruption grease that supports it. When Big Military Industry charges $5,000 for an F-15 bolt, how sweet is that?

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

My newest slogan: The convergence of profits and prophets, what could be worse?

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jamenta's avatar

And even sweeter, the war profiteers making billions of dollars off the Ukraine war, and all the Middle East wars, buy off the politicians that in turn give them trillion dollar tax breaks into perpetuity. But don't worry, all those trillion dollar tax breaks will trickle down to the working slobs at the bottom.

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Maurice Delacourt's avatar

Yes Caitlin that’s incredible it goes to show you how much Palestinian lives are worth to them-absolutely nothing

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

When you consider how antisemitism is defined by 1. the International Holocaust Remembrance Association, a broad non-exclusive definition used by the US House of Representatives to equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism and codify it into law, 2. by the Simon Wiesenthal Center's annual Top Ten List of Worst Global Anti-Israel/Anti-Semitic Incidents, and 3. the recent rash of accusations of antisemitism against peaceful protesters, UN officials, the ICJ, the ICC, and prominent critics of Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, wouldn't it be much simpler to establish what antisemitism isn't? Namely, shutting up and minding your own fucking business.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Diane Engelhardt, Brilliant!

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Nailed it!

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

I have shared some of your work with people who support Israel to see if I can open their eyes to the truth but I fear they already know the truth and chose to support murder and genocide. Our Lord surely is weeping.

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Stephanie Hart's avatar

So many of my friends say “God’s Chosen People”. They are so delusional, I say Let me give you some history, but NO, their eyes and ears are closed shut!!!

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Mazirian's avatar

If you are friends with anyone who uses the phrase ‘God’s chosen people’ then the problem lies with you.

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Ron Stockton's avatar

And the media, even the Irish media, carry the US/Israeli lies without question. In an article today in The Irish Times, Biden says:

"Mr Blinken said the Hamas statement was “a hopeful sign” but definitive word was still needed from the Hamas leadership inside Israeli-besieged Gaza. “That’s what counts, and that’s what we don’t have yet.”

Hamas accepted Biden's peace deal but Americans kept saying "all we need is agreement from Hamas". Biden lied. Biden said it was Israel's peace offer, Israel immediately rejected it. Biden lied. Biden keeps saying "we only need Hamas to agree" yet Israel keeps rejecting it. Biden lies.

With respect to the UN approved peace deal as noted, Hamas said it agreed, Biden says he needs more. Biden is a liar. Neither the media nor Biden say that Israel has rejected the UN proposal. At this stage that is not true. Biden is a liar.

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Luke's avatar

And something to remember when people start in with 10/7. Its a good time to remind them tho it had been planned the Al Aqsa Mosque incident before it certainly emboldened Hamas.

It’s very eerie and odd both Zionist & Christian Zionists want that land. It’s not to build homes or even Disney World on for that matter. It’s so they can fulfill some sort of damn doomsday prophecy.

It’s hard for me to believe in the 21st century that some very powerful people in the West still cling to the idea. Secondly, one must ask what kind of a person wants to end the fucking world so they can be saved. Not a very nice one I suspect completely devoid of conscience. Pastor POS Hagee alluded to it I think.

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bill wolfe's avatar

NY Times has another disgusting story on page one today bragging about the massacre ("hostage rescue"):

After Weeks of Planning, Seconds Made the Difference in Israeli Hostage Rescue

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/10/world/middleeast/israel-hostage-rescue-gaza.html

Also notice how this "rescue" operation has completely eliminated the failed $320 pier fiasco, a debacle that I argue is equivalent to the 1980 failed Iran hostage rescue operation that sunk the Carter Presidency. I'm sure the Biden people and mainstream media realize this, which explains why they are so over the top on this "rescue" story.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Since they were soldiers, and not civilians, more like prisoners of war, rather than hostages. The pictures of them that I saw showed them to be in relatively good condition. Not like the Palestinian prisoners/hostages held by Israel.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I am still not sure what this Pier is for!

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bill wolfe's avatar

I just submitted this reader comment to the NYT which I guarantee they will not print:

"This is remarkable Israeli propaganda. The "truck" was a humanitarian aid truck (a war crime)'. The helicopter "beach" location was less than 100 feet from the US pier, which provided air cover support. There is no mention of US intelligence role. There is no mention that other hostages were killed. The civilian death figures are made a "he said/she said". The "disguises" worn (no comment by Israel) were additional evidence of war crimes. No mention of Israeli military policy that finds it acceptable to kill 70 civilians for one Israeli. I could go on. (and what about the Israeli friendly fire civilian deaths on Oct. 7?. They've been reported by Israeli media)

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JennyStokes's avatar

Well done but like me on the Wash Post I am sure it won't be printed but worth a try. Well done.

Given up WAPO now. Took me 3 times to unsubscribe!

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bill wolfe's avatar

Yes, I unsubscribed from the NYT many years ago, yet somehow my account is still there and I have access!

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Hi Bill, I just went through 195 replies to the most likely story in the NYT to see if your post showed up. Alas, and as you suspected, it had not. There were, however, an awful, and I mean it literally, lot of "if Hamas hadn't -broken [the non-existent] ceasefire....hadn't embedded themselves.... hadn't ....." type of bs, repeated ad nauseum.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

I noticed this ( their good condition) as well Joy in HK, so they maybe 'more like prisoners of war, rather than hostages'. Also unlike the Israelis, Hamas obviously didn't torture them. Kept them well fed too - even though the Gazans themselves were being starved.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Yup, we are living in Crazy Land.

I just hope all the people on the streets vote for the most truly left wing candidate they can find, and persuade others to do so as well.

Otherwise, more nazis, more war, more austerity, more right wing extremism.

Don't we have enough already?

Here's a new movement I want to see spread like wildfire: https://x.com/i/status/1800474513702023358

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I'd say that would be Dr. Jill Stein.

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Izzatso's avatar

Condemn Hamas!

I condemn Hamas.

For what?

Murdering

Who?

Children,

Civilians,

Innocents.

And?

And Jews are. . .

No, Condemn Hamas!

Yes

For what?

Murdering

Who?

Children,

Civilians,

Innocents.

And?

Jews are now. . .

Condemn Hamas!!

I do!

For what?

Murdering

Children,

Civilians,

Innocents!

And?

But Jews are now committing. . .

Condemn, dammit, Hamas!!!

I do, dammit, I do!

For what?

Murdering!

Children!

Civilians!

Innocents!

And?

But, please, Jews are right now committing genocide and. . .

WHAT???

Making phone calls

Right!

Texting people to run

Right

Safe zones

Right

Doing the right thing

Right

Jews are the victims

Right

“Most moral army”

Right

Saving lives

Right

Obeying God

Right

We do no wrong

Right

“Never Again”

Right

The world is wrong

Right

We are Chosen

Right

We are right

Right

God gives Might

Right

And Might makes Right!

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