'that one day will come?' The world should hope so. Their actions have well and truly passed the extremes many of us saw during the Nazi 'master race' program when today's criminals were the victims.
Same 'master race' philosophy, exploiting the weaknesses of their Western supporters, media as well, one of the really evil aspects of this crime against humanity. Propaganda.
Short memories, some people as they have not gained much in the way of knowledge from world history by creating a worse atmosphere that we have ever seen before in our modern world. No better than ancient world acts of barbarism, thinking they have some god-given right as God's chosen people.
One of the long held fantasies by a race of people, all with diminished mentalities, obviously.
Yes, you are right, of course, but the master race is..... or was a pseudoscientific concept to my knowledge only in Nazi ideology, in which the putative Aryan race is deemed the pinnacle of human racial hierarchy. Members were referred to as 'master humans'.
I am sure that there is a touch of that in the current thinking in Israel. Perhaps more than just a touch.
As well, by way of a simple apology, Cornelia, being exposed to so much propaganda in this day and age, one has a right to think that whatever one says is accurate enough to pass inspection. We see this principle in fact provided by the Western media every day, with a serious dose of lies, plain on purpose lies.
However, to add some facts, the three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.
Their mistake has been to think part of that purpose is to own Palestine and kill 200,000 decent people..
me too jim. i'd also like our politicians, who are aiding and abetting this, to face the same punishment. when so many people in the uk march every week, raise their voices against genocide, how do the people who are supposed to be our representatives get away with supporting genocide ?
A brave statement! You know what? You are damn right! Why should Israel exist if their existence means the slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinians? If their existence means they are willing to annihilate Palestinian children, have absolute zero regard or respect for human lives? If their existence means expelling Palestinians off their own land! If their existence means turning the world into a blind, soulless, heartless place since it is Israel’s right to exist is signalling to our world that it is ok to murder the innocent for land and resources!
How can the same not be said of the USA. Canada, and Australia? Is it that the main onslaught has stopped and now it’s fait accompli? Does that allow us to “look forward”?
Certainly, stopping the immediate slaughter is vital. I’m not arguing, but wondering, if we need to go further in our understanding of, and opposition to, settler colonialism, that continues at a different pace.
Israel exists because the Rothschild family who are multi trillionaires due to banking and wars they lend money for ( which they hence start) and their relatives the UK royals created it. Israel is a base to loot, genocide and depopulate the Middle East, the planet. US ( also owned still bhbUK apparently).also finances Israel with billions of dollars a year from.taxpayers while millions of Americans work long hours but cannot afford health care, or essentials. Until the cancer of Zionism is removed from the planet ...
Israel exists (and is allowed to exist and is even explicitly supported) because Israel serves the purposes of the Empire - the U.S. Empire and the Empire of Global Capitalism. Until the U.S. Empire is weakened, such geopolitics and imperialism (in the MENA region or elsewhere in the world) will continue to occur and destroy the lives of millions of ordinary people - for no good reason other than to make the 0.01% even wealthier. That is HOW SICK the psychopaths and sociopaths at the top of the hierarchy are!
Ah yes, a guy with a parody profile picture of 9/11 is totally a sane, rational person that everybody with a conscience or shred of decency wants to have their views aligned with lmao
You’re not a totally a sane, rational person that everybody with a conscience or shred of decency wants to have their views aligned with? Wow, I’m shocked. Utterly shocked!
If you think 9/11 was funny and worth publicly mocking, you are not a good person and writers who attract people like you to their comment sections are not good writers with good ideas worth listening to.
I will absolutely mock Americans for caring about 9/11 when their military industrial complex bombed the middle east into "stability." The USA deserves far worse than 9/11. It needs total collapse for humanity to progress rather than die off from terraforming the planet to make it LESS jabitable.
Every year on 9/11 I go buy a donut and remind everyone that there's something much much worse than a terrorist: A state funded terrorist. No, I lost sympathy for your pathetic attempts at nationalism 1million dead Iraqis ago.
That Dick Cheney was allowed into power is another thing that makes EVERY tax paying American complicit in the wars they keep losing.
I will absolutely mock Americans for caring about 9/11 when their military industrial complex bombed the middle east into "stability." The USA deserves far worse than 9/11. It needs total collapse for humanity to progress rather than die off from terraforming the planet to make it LESS jabitable.
Every year on 9/11 I go buy a donut and some flowers, then remind everyone that there's something much much worse than a terrorist: A state funded terrorist. No, I lost sympathy for your pathetic attempts at nationalism 1million dead Iraqis ago.
That Dick Cheney was allowed into power is another thing that makes EVERY tax paying American complicit in the wars they keep losing.Coming from a fascist this is hilarious. Terrible, but hilarious.
It is only a matter of time before ORDINARY HUMANS (and the Global South) do what comes naturally to humans - revenge and retaliation - for all the oppression, exploitation, imperialism, terrorism, etc. suffered by ordinary people (and the Global South) at the hands of the U.S. Empire and Israel.
Like I said, these are the consequences of BLOWBACK.
Hey there Stephen, while you troll with your immoral position. I ask...
Do "values" actually matter anymore when the vast and overwhelming majority of Jews continue to fund, support, lie, spread propaganda and fight for Israel? Are we not past the point of no return for Jews and their "values"? Have they not proven that they will do anything to support Israel and its continued war crimes (which seems to have lost all meaning)? Are we not at a point where it is obvious that the majority of Jews will be very happy and relieved to have Palestinians wiped from the earth only to take their land? Have they not said it over and over and over? Are they not carrying out their planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine? At what point will the world realize that this is not a conflict, but a planned genocide of epic proportions being committed and supported by Jews? Do values matter any more? An irrelevant smoke screen.
I see it differently. Israel is the face of a new dark age the world has entered. If the western colonial powers quit supporting this evil it could not continue. AH could only dream of having full western governments and western Pravda supporting WW2 Germany but this is what we are seeing.
It is important to understand that the ethnostate of Israel exists only because Great Briton, the US and its European poodles exercised their undue and corrupt influence on the United Nations to accept Israel as a state recognized by the UN. It never should have happened. The intent of the Zionists who ultimately formed Israel as a settlor/colonial state was always to steal the land and resources of the indigenous people who had occupied and owned the land for hundreds of years. There is absolutely no legitimacy to this ideology - it is based on lies, theft, murder and expulsion of the rightly owners of the land and homes from their properties. That fact is well understood by anyone who bothers to learn the facts. Israel has NO right to exist and should NOT exist. If justice prevailed, the Israelis would be expelled from all of Palestine, including the part which is now wrongly known as Israel and the land returned to its rightful owners, the Palestinians. I am a US citizen who is sickened by the fact that my Country is enabling the genocide of the Palestinians. My Country is controlled by the Israel lobby and people in the US government who have no integrity or decency. Almost all members of the US Congress support the genocide due to the bribe money they receive from the Israel lobby. That is the true character of the US government today.
Most people think that concentration camps were invented and created in Nazi Germany.
They could not be more wrong...
The first concentration camps were invented and run by the British (UK) during the Second Boer War in South Africa.
During the Second Boer War (1899-1902), the British established concentration camps in South Africa to detain Boer civilians, primarily women and children, as part of a strategy to undermine Boer guerrilla warfare. Over 47,900 people died in these camps due to poor conditions, including inadequate food and sanitation.
It gets worse…
Starvation as a weapon was used by the British (UK) as a part of the artificially-created Irish “potato famine”. Foodstuffs were being shipped to the UK while the Irish were starving.
This falls in line with the attitude of the UK government with regards to the ongoing genocides in Gaza and the West Bank.
Gaza is an open-air concentration camp, much worse than German labor camps and on a par with British Second Boer War concentration camps.
Genocide is an integral part of judaism. The British learned their genocidal attitudes from the JEW$ quite well.
I must respectfully disagree...ALL jews are taught from birth that they are "special" and superior to us gentiles (goyim) and at the same time identify themselves as "victims" being persecuted for no reason at all (yeah, right). This incongruent duality manifests itself in mental illness, which I am convinced afflicts most jews .
As to pogroms, they were a reaction to jewish (mis)behavior and criminality and were quite often justified.
That being said, I treat ALL people I come in contact with respectfully and expect the same treatment in return. It's the HUMAN thing to do.
A majority of "good" jews believe and support the genocides that are presently taking place in both the West Bank and Gaza. THAT is a problem.
One good example:
The Chabad jewish community, the largest in New York City, was initially against the genocide taking place in Gaza and publicly stated their position.
They were "outed" by zionist jews which exposed their child sacrifice tunnels dug out beneath their synagogue building. Due to jewish power which reigns supreme, the tunnels were filled in, evidence such as child high-chairs, blood-stained child-size mattresses, and other childhood abuse evidence was destroyed in the process.
These same Chabad have "changed their stripes" and are now advertising "Gaza Waterfront Property For Sale".
>>"ALL jews are taught from birth that they are "special" and superior to us gentiles (goyim) and at the same time identify themselves as "victims""
ThomNast, what does that imply? That implies INDOCTRINATION. What you described is called 'indoctrination from birth' into an indoctrinated society.
Similarly, man Americans are INDOCTRINATED into 'American Exceptionalism'. Ask anyone that has immigrated to the U.S. from elsewhere (even Whites from Western Europe) - and they very quickly learn and realize how indoctrinated people in the U.S. are about 'American Exceptionalism'.
Next step from here -> indoctrination does not have to be permanent. There are many Americans that have OVERCOME this 'American Exceptionalism' indoctrination. Similarly, there are many Jews (in America and elsewhere - but NOT in Israel to the best of my knowledge) that have overcome Zionist indoctrination.
I recommend watching the movie "Israelism" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9636732/) to better understand the DE-indoctrination of many Jews and Zionsists in the U.S.
Hence, your comment >>"Sorry to say, jews cannot be trusted..."
is just another hate-filled statement that Nazis would love. And Nazis are like Zionists. So if you espouse Nazi-like ideologies and hate, you are, in effect, a Zionist.
I would AGREE with you, though, that Zionists cannot be trusted (regardless if they are Jewish Zionists or Christian Zionists or some other kind), Israelis cannot be trusted (regardless of if they are Jews or not, though I would tend to trust Palestinian Israelis - which is a funny thing in its own right - it SHOULD BE Palestinian Palestinians.). And I ALSO AGREE that Israel SHOULD NOT EXIST!
Do "values" actually matter anymore when the vast and overwhelming majority of Jews continue to fund, support, lie, spread propaganda and fight for Israel? Are we not past the point of no return for Jews and their "values"? Have they not proven that they will do anything to support Israel and its continued war crimes (which seems to have lost all meaning)? Are we not at a point where it is obvious that the majority of Jews will be very happy and relieved to have Palestinians wiped from the earth only to take their land? Have they not said it over and over and over? Are they not carrying out their planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine? At what point will the world realize that this is not a conflict, but a planned genocide of epic proportions being committed and supported by Jews? Do values matter any more? An irrelevant smoke screen.
I am completely against Racism of any kind! Given that we ALL on this planet have a genome at least 99.9% exactly the same, regardless of any "racial" differences between humans., then Racism is absurd!!
But my main point is: what is it that MAKES someone Jewish (or Muslim or Christian)? Isn't it merely their self-advocated classification? Blood-lines are superficial. After all, any Jew could profess to being a Christian, ... or even Atheist.
We are well pat the "racism" discussion. A genocide is taking place and empty rhetoric pontificating over who is what is now irrelevant. Caitlin and others are doing their absolute best to point this out, yet here we are discussing racism, obfuscating the real issue - a FUCKING GENOCIDE, WAR CRIMES AND ETHNIC CLEANSING by a group who calls themselves JEWS. It's simple. Fight it, if you have any morality whatsoever.
Racism? It's tribalism. And if you are against what you call racism, then talk about the racist policies of the Zionist Israelis. Talk about how 80 years of land theft, occupation, apartheid, and systematic demonization of Muslims and Arabs has affected the world and Palestinians who have ONLY ever fought to keep their land. This is a continuous pattern of people screaming racism with the Jews crying victim. Let's look at who are the real racists are and how their agenda has shaped our world.
They may not have called them concentration camps back then, but what else were ”reservations”? More spacious, perhaps, due to the size of the area, and the overweening nature, of those doing the concentrating.
Concentration camps were not invented by the British. I suspect they have been around for thousands of years.
The term reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) was used for the first time for camps created by the Spanish Army in Cuba during the Ten Years’ War (1868–1878). Camps were established again during the Philippine-American War (1899–1902). At the same time, on another continent, the British used similar camps as a punitive tool in the Second Boer War (1899–1902) in South Africa. British command rounded up Boer women and children, as well as other Africans, and interned them in 34 tented camps with poor living conditions and scarce food rations, leading to high death rates.
Of course Roslyn Ross, You wouldn't know about the famines created by the British in India... several of them. The British empire used mustard gas in Iraq for the first time. And concentration camps were their speciality. The Nazis took quite a few lessons from the USA. The same with apartheid South Africa emulating the American system of segregating black Africans.
Israel took to heart the lessons of genocide and land theft and forced starvation
used by the old colonialists. Please do not trot out your excuse of " ... they have been around for thousands of years"! And that it's human nature. Reactionaries have always co-opted these notions to justify colonialism.
I do know about famines in India and I know about the ones some people claim were created on purpose by the British. I know that famines were common in what became India, before the British cobbled together the warring kingdoms and created India as it exists today. I suggest you do the research.
The reasons for famine in India had nothing to do with the British. There is no doubt the Bengal famine during WWII was exacerbated because the British were fighting a war and feeding an army, but it was hardly created by them on purpose. One could argue they should have done more for the Indians but one could also argue when a nation faces invasion its sole focus will be on itself.
I find the hate the British approach to be tedious. Tell me, if you are Indian and it sounds as if you are, should the British have removed all they built before they handed the country over? Take up the roads, railway, utilities, power lines, return Bombay to a couple of tents for fishermen, Madras the same, destroy the Taj Mahal as the Hindus wanted?
Grow up.
As to atrocities committed by the British, they rank as far less than many others. India also commits atrocities and always has done. Apply your principles equally. The British were hardly the worst of the colonists as any study of colonial history would reveal. Neither were they saints but then no humans are.
Also, you would know that Indu is not Indian if you knew even a fraction about cultures (other than White cultures). But of course, you have always been a FRAUD, a FAKE, an ILLUSIONIST, a wanna-be.
Like I've asked you before - what are your 'historian' credentials? You never bothered to answer me. You avoided the question and tried to deflect.
I also asked you whether you understood 'historical analysis' and 'historiography' (the study of history), and you didn't bother answering that question either.
More and more people on Caitlin's substack (and hopefully everywhere else on Substack) are waking up to the charade and fraud that is Roslyn Ross.
I like that people that are fully aware of and cognizant of Israel and Zionism are also becoming aware of White-Supremacists and racists such as Roslyn Ross. This is ALWAYS a good development. One needs to root out hateful ideologies wherever one finds them.
>>"The reasons for famine in India had nothing to do with the British."
and just soon after that, you say ->
>>"There is no doubt the Bengal famine during WWII was exacerbated because the British"
Do you even read your own writing, or do you just vomit out crap from your arse?
Do you not understand even simple logic (like 2 + 2 + 4)? In this case, "had nothing to do with the British" and "Bengal famine exacerbated because of the British" are CONTRADICTORY statements.
They can't both be true, just as (2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 5 can't both be true.
See! That's the problem with MOST of your comments - there is NO (or almost no) logic in them. Roslyn Ross, you seem to live in your own world that is governed by your OWN rules of logic.
Let me know when you are ready to come back to the Earth that is inhabited by homosapiens.
Oh boy, this comment just made me laugh. 🤣🤣🤣
Ever consider being a comedian Roslyn Ross? Who knows? You might still find success in life somehow...
The reasons for famine had nothing to do with the British means THE BRITISH DID NOT CREATE THE FAMINES.
If you study the long history of famine in India over a thousand years and more, pretty clearly famines did not exist because of the British.
Quote: First, the claim that colonialism caused famines cannot be verified against previous experience because there is no evidence that famines were less frequent or less deadly before. Whereas the government statistical system recorded the colonial-era famines, the precolonial data came from hagiographies and travelogues. These dissimilar datasets cannot be compared. The frequency with which famines occurred in earlier times depended on the frequency with which hagiographies were written. If this was once in fifty years, we would conclude that famines happened once in fifty years, as Bhatia did. The authors of these hagiographies praised the relief work because the kings paid them to do that. We might conclude that precolonial kings were more caring than the British. None of this makes any sense.
Second, colonialism cannot be accused of causing famines everywhere. The famines that Davis called late-Victorian holocausts happened in the Deccan, 1876-77 in the Rayalaseema region west of Chennai (Madras), and 1896 and 1898 in the Deccan Traps closer to Mumbai (Bombay). All along, in the Indo-Gangetic Basin, the population rose. The Raj ruled over the north and south. Why did it spare the north?
Here is the answer. The British Raj did not start the famines. Geography did. 1877 was the driest year in over a century (1871-1978) for which rainfall data exists. The average rainfall that year was 30 percent short of the long-term level, and a 25 percent shortfall developed again in 1896 and 1899. Monsoon failure of such an order can cause distress by drying up all accessible water sources. The effect was disastrous in the Deccan Plateau because it was normally much drier than the north and did not have rivers fed by the Himalayan snow, unlike the north. Monsoon rain was the primary source, and when that failed, cultivation stopped, and distressed people lived on infected water to die of cholera. Colonialism had nothing to do with the reason they died. End quote. https://historyreclaimed.co.uk/colonialism-did-not-cause-the-indian-famines/
Where the British had responsibility was in what was done to alleviate the famine and Bengal, one of the worst, happened at a time when the British were busy trying to save themselves.
THE STATEMENTS DO NOT CONTRADICT.
Issue one - what creates famine? Not the British.
Issue two - what is done to alleviate famine. British responsibility. as the colonial ruler. Complicated by the Bengal Famine happening at a time when the British were trying to save themselves.
Ah yes, the old “everything is the Jews’ fault” routine—wrapped up in pseudo-academic buzzwords like “settler/colonial state” and the fantasy that all of modern history boils down to some cartoonish villainy by the evil Zionists and their puppet governments. It’s honestly impressive how you managed to stuff so much self-righteous ignorance, historical cherry-picking, and delusional moral grandstanding into one bitter, self-indulgent screed.
Let’s unpack this lazy nonsense. First off, the UN vote for Israel’s existence wasn’t some deep conspiracy by the “Zionist cabal” pulling the strings of the entire world. It was a two-thirds majority of the General Assembly. The Arab states rejected the partition and launched a war to wipe out Israel from day one. And as for the “rightful owners” narrative, give me a break. The land wasn’t some static, sacred Palestinian utopia before 1948—it was part of the crumbling Ottoman Empire, then a British Mandate, with complex layers of land ownership, migration, and legal claims. If you think the Ottomans, the British, or the Hashemites were somehow more “legitimate” rulers than the Jews with historical ties to the land, you’re just rewriting history to suit your ideological tantrum.
Oh, and the “bribed Congress” trope? Cute. Maybe next time you can go full mask-off and start ranting about the Elders of Zion and Rothschild banking families.
Bottom line: your rant isn’t a defense of justice or morality—it’s a lazy, regurgitated piece of propaganda dressed up as activism. It’s weak, it’s dishonest, and it’s exactly why serious people dismiss this whole line of thinking as unserious, unhinged, and unworthy of real debate.
You seem to have a lot to say in defence of this cruelty and barbarism. I like the fact that there are no likes for your drivel. As you like to say - “LMAO”. Decent people know what’s happening in Palestine, we don’t need your nonsense.
My father was born in Shanghai. His father a Baptist Missionary. His family was put in a camp by the Japanese. They did not get starved, kids shot in the head, burned alive, and bombed as poor poor thing (made up ) Israel does to humans. Cancel Israel.
The Japanese treatment of the Chinese was a million times worse than anything Israel has ever done to any Palestinian and it’s insanely stupid to suggest otherwise.
Starved, yeah totally talking about the mass famine that never came but is always talked about. Meanwhile Gazans on social media are opening new restaurants, ice cream shops and modeling fashion. Don’t say anything about THAT though!
Kids with bullets in their heads, the claim that’s often said but never shown nor proved to even be a result of Israeli actions. Oh but by all means, prove me wrong. You won’t though, because you can’t.
Burned alive? If or when that has happened, it’s a byproduct not intent, unlike the Israelis who were purposely burned alive in their own homes by Palestinians, in front of their children.
It (this Stephen account) seems to be a TROLL account. More such TROLLS are bound to appear as Israel continues to lose (and hopefully is eliminated) - although the process is moving TOO SLOWLY for my comfort.
And yet after you finished wiping the drool from your chin and typed this, you had nothing to say to refute a single bit of it besides “Waaahhhh Israel is a meanie for fighting back against terrorists!!”
Meanwhile, Andrew Cuomo bends over deeply for Zionist money and NYC Jewish votes, promising to codify everything from eating pasta with sausages to breathing as anti-Semitic. A more disgusting exemplar of the bloated narcissist Israel-robot US politician is hard to find at this moment.
As any anti-Zionist Jew knows, grotesque Christian Zionist a-holes like Cuomo hide behind Jews, thereby ultimately promoting actual anti-Semitism.
Adding one more layer of revulsion to this horror.
Any NYer who votes for Cuomo needs to have their head examined after he killed so many people in nursing homes. And of course his sexual assaults. That he even has the gall to run is saying something about his ego.
If someone like Trump (not to mention Biden) can become the President of the U.S., no one should be surprised about Cuomo. The problem is -> there are SO MANY like him that if one falls, another simply replaces him.
Something HAS to change in the system at a deeper level and in a more radical way than things like 'reforming voting, electorate system, etc." (IMO)
They need a new party, like happened in 1854-1860 when the anti-slavery Republicans blew away the status quo Whigs. Both the Ds and Rs fear this. They have united to preserve their corrupt duopoly that operates contrary to the public interest. They pursue this perverted goal with much more dedication and vigor than any program that might benefit the public.
As of today the Rs fake populism has his base thoroughly bamboozled. Maybe they will wake up when their standard of living has declined even faster and authoritarian oligarchic rule has become the law of the land. Then what happens? I suppose we will see.
Do you think something like "new parties" can fix the entrenched rot of the Capitalist class (i.e. oligarchy, power elite, etc.) at this stage in the history of the U.S. Empire? I'm highly skeptical of the degree of change such an option might permit.
I think the problem goes MUCH DEEPER than Team D or Team R or any team...
One may have to think outside-the-box of conventional politics IMO.
The current "team" structure continually reveals itself to be incapable of honest dealings, but rather only "clever" advertising-industry-type double dealing. Like this Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a complete fabrication of know nothings in the field. Always with the goal of sounding and looking like a solution, but serving the interests of colonialist imperialism and ethnic cleansing. And always leading to the death of innocent impoverished people.
This is what conventional USA politics invariably yields: cleverly named and constructed non-solutions -- regardless of the team in charge. This political system is FUBAR. It belongs in the toilet.
Yes, the uber-Capitalist class is VERY FOCUSED on their goals. They have always wanted one thing (regardless of facades and gaslighting narratives) - to achieve more wealth, power, control (for a variety of reasons).
Hence, they are laser focused on their objectives (regardless of EVERYTHING they say or don't say, explicitly or implicitly). They will invent whatever narratives they need (like what you accurately describe above, Vin), whatever distortions, contortions, and fabrications of "truths and facts" they need to gaslight people with.
We, the people of the world, NEED to get this straight and understand this - the ruling/capitalist class will NEVER be on the side of ordinary people - not in the context of Israel/Palestine and certainly not in the context of the internal dynamics of countries (i.e. internal politics as we see playing out in the U.S.).
But we (ordinary people) continue to keep falling for the 'shifting narratives' of Israel and the U.S. Empire (inspite of knowing that the intentions of the above 2 entities are PURE EVIL). Maybe because it is in the nature of good people to give others a second/third/fourth chance? Maybe because many of us are eternally optimistic (for pragmatic rather than realistic reasons) and hence often led astray by 'optimism bias'?
I keep trying to understand WHY the mental processes of 'ordinary people' seem to be so easily HIJACKED by 'entities on higher levels of our hierarchical systems' despite all the HUMAN HISTORY (and lessons that can be learnt from it) and past behaviors eminating from these 'locusts of power'. Will humans NEVER learn? Will humans NEVER 'truly' grow or evolve?
Without going into a discussion of "leaderless" movements (as IMHO I don't think humans have evolved to the stage required where such a strategy can be enacted/implemented successfully), I have nothing against new parties.
In trying to think outside-the-box, I'm suggesting thinking outside of the paradigms and social constructs of 'parties', if possible.
What would this look like? I'm not sure yet (as I don't have concrete conceptualizations of alternatives and I am still learning more as I go along).
I hate to disabuse you of your ignorance, but they do exist. And I'm not gonna even quote you Max Blumenthal or any other Jews I'm not personally familiar with. But here are some names of MY FRIENDS: Marla E. [alive]. Dr. Michael G. [deceased]. Haters of fucking Israel -- both because of its land theft fron indigenous Palestinian Arabs and because it reflected badly on themselves as Jews, indicting them as co-conspirators in a tragedy they completely oppose[d]. This is personal for me. There ARE indeed upstanding Anti-Zionist Jews in the world. I strongly recommend you read Miko Peled's "The General's Son", and spend some time on The Grayzone. And no, I am not, nor have ever been of that persuasion. I can merely think outside a fucking box.
No state on this earth has a right to exist, particularly no state that behaves as if it were above all but God’s laws, which incidentally Israel and the USA are in the habit of violating with complete abandon and impunity.
But you forget--Israel and the USA think they are "god" and that they get to make all the laws and break any rules that they as "gods" want to. That's the problem in a nutshell.
In human history it is well established by facts that the western "culture and civilization" only brought genocides, misery, propaganda, colonization, theft of real (estate) and intellectual property (which then they claim is theirs), etc.
One state. Palestine. With equal rights for all citizens, Jewish and Arab. Disband the IDF, liquidate the Israeli state. Maybe we give the jews a small area like the Vatican to make them feel special. Otherwise, Israel cannot exist.
I’ve thought the same thing… why wasn’t “Israel” a city? An out post for humanitarian efforts in the Middle East, western soft power… imagine if the United States spent as much or even half as much in the region on building up and stabilizing rather than just selling guns and bombs. You can buy a lot of friends for billions of dollars a year, which we already spent on Israel’s “defense”.
Because Israel exists FIRST and FOREMOST for the benefit of Western Nations and the U.S. Empire. Do you think Israel would be allowed to continue to exist if it did not provide whatever the U.S. Empire needs from it? (I doubt anyone in the world knows EVERYTHING that Israel does for Western Powers, every little secret, every little assassination...)
Israel is a Nazi state and has always been such. If only the West hasn't worked so hard to devalue the word "Nazi" (as in "soup nazi") post WWII ,then that characterization would be all-encompassing and sufficient.
It is past time to condemn Israel to disbandonment. The only problem is where would these deliberate killers of babies and children settle? Would any country be willing to accept them? Those countries who have given them the most aid and support should be the ones to accept them, so definitely America, who refused to take them in after WWII, no refusal, no vote. Anyone else who aided them should take a share, though America should take the most - and worry about them taking over there later, you reap what you've sown.
The only other way would be that they suffer what they visited upon Palestine and Gaza where they herded Palestinians to make the killing simpler for them, IOF being so weak.
One thing would have to be attended to beforehand -- make sure all the incarcerated were set free, otherwise these vengeful Israelis would murder them all; their families have already suffered enough.
Or maybe they could be sent to Mars as colonisers, without weapons since there's nobody on Mars to fight, so they could be the supreme beings they think now they are, but not allowed ever to return to earth.
They should be allowed to return to their origins but perhaps only if they commit to psychiatric help. Many of them have dual passports anyway and a lot of the absolute raving mad lunatics are Americans.
You have a point there that those Americans should return to America. But with no right to return to Palestine having that duailty re over. However since the US politicians are such high supporters of Israelis,it's only fair that their constituencies take the most violent Israelis to be part of their flock, they have been compromised by the bribes so, again,reap what you've sown.
Well they have no right to be in Palestine anyway and Israel will not exist. Any Israelis who want to remain as Palestinians should be given the chance as long as they can behave perhaps. Although not sure if they are capable of behaving.
"Advocating the end of this genocidal state doesn’t make someone a monster, advocating its continuation does." Well said. But they would not be able to realize their monstrous fantasies without US arms. Both are culpable and closely involved in the crime of history.
Jews can go back to where they came from. In fact even before October 7 many younger Jews, the sane ones, sickened at the evil that was their State went back to where their parents or grandparents came from and one of the biggest communities is in Berlin. They feel safer and happier in Germany than in Zionist Israel, the state of hate and blood-drenched slaughter.
Remember when journalist Helen Thomas was viciously “cancelled” for stating that Jewish people could return to Germany? Turns out she was not being particularly antisemitic but was correct.
The region in Russia is not a State as in an independent Jewish State. It is part of Russia with Jews allowed to live there if they wish and most do not. It has as much independence as a State in the US or a county in the UK, maybe.
It is not independent. It is a region in Russia which is semi-autonomous where the Russian Government hopes, Jews can go away and stop meddling. Their language is Russian, which is the third most common language for Jews after English and the Hebrew invented for Israel.
That would be because the Region in Russia is not colonising someone else's country. Russia created it although it has attracted few Jews. Russia created it in its own country, on its own land.
AND IT IS NOT A STATE ENTITY. IT IS A PART OF RUSSIA AND CONTROLLED BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
Israel was created through genocidal colonisation of someone else's country and that is why it is illegitimate. Beyond the slaughter and theft and barbarous savagery of 47/48, Israel has inflicted sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery on the Palestinians for 77 years. That is not happening in the Jewish Autonomous region.
Please no, I don't want to live around these people, they can stay there under Iranian occupation or something, under a hefty "de-Zionification" program.
I understand your sentiment. I don't think any people anywhere in the world want to live with Israelis. I don't even think many Zionist Americans would want to live with Israelis (though I could be mistaken here).
Some Jews could have lived in Palestine for all of its existence and Judaism could have been invented in Palestine instead of what is now Iraq but it would give Jews no claims on or rights to Palestine. Religions do not get to claim a grain of sand on planet earth.
Judaism is believed to have been invented between 3-4,000 years ago. By the time it was invented Palestine and Palestinians were already ancient. Egyptian hieroglyphs have been transcribed mentioning the country and its people more than 5000 years ago.
And no, Palestine was not the birthplace of Judaism. That was what is now Iraq, a region of Mesopotamia. The Egyptians also made a note when a tribe called Judah wandered into Palestine around 3000 years ago and set up camp, just one of dozens in Palestine. Colonists then as now.
You said: Extremely high levels of Caananite lineage among all Jews worldwide.
Total bullshit. It is impossible for a religion to create or maintain a genetic marker. There is no DNA in Jews which does not exist in non-Jews. The ancestry testing crap is Zio paid for propaganda. What they call Jewish ancestry appears in Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists. And that is because all humans alive today are descended from the same relatively small group of distant ancestors so beyond trivial differences we all have the same DNA.
As to going back to where ancestors came from that is a bit silly. We all have the same ancestors and they all came out of Africa. Are you suggesting 8 billion humans should pack up and head off to Africa?
JEWS ARE A RELIGION AND NO RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO LAND, HOMELAND OR SELF DETERMINATION. If Jews had such a right then every religion would have the same right and they do not.
Are you actually this dense? The right to a homeland isn’t handed out by a cosmic vending machine based on your arbitrary standards. Nations and peoples establish ties to lands through history, blood, conquest, settlement, and—yes—religion. The Jewish connection to the land of Israel/Palestine isn’t some fairy tale or “vibes-based” claim. It’s backed by archaeological records, continuous presence, and—brace yourself—actual historical sovereignty. Jewish kingdoms existed in that land for over a thousand years, long before Arabs ever showed up in the 7th century. You wanna erase that because it’s inconvenient? Cute. But reality doesn’t care about your feelings.
“Judaism is believed to have been invented between 3-4,000 years ago. By the time it was invented Palestine and Palestinians were already ancient. Egyptian hieroglyphs have been transcribed mentioning the country and its people more than 5000 years ago.”
Oh, wow, you learned a big number. Here’s the problem: “Palestinians” as an ethnic group didn’t exist 5,000 years ago. The term Palestine comes from the Roman renaming of the province Judea to Syria Palaestina in the 2nd century AD to spite the Jews after crushing the Bar Kokhba revolt. Before that, there were Canaanites, Philistines (an Aegean people), Hebrews, Egyptians, and others—not Palestinians in any modern sense. This claim is as historically valid as calling modern Italians “Etruscans.”
Yes, Israel, what you incorrectly call Palestine, is the birthplace of Judaism and to suggest otherwise is absolute nonsense. Total next-level ignorance. The patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) came from Mesopotamia, sure, but Judaism as a religion—the Torah, the laws, the Temple—was born in the Land of Israel, with its heart in Jerusalem. The Exodus, the Sinai covenant, the conquest of Canaan, the establishment of Israelite kingdoms—all in Israel/Palestine. Judaism was codified in the land, by a people living there. That’s why it’s called Zionism, not “Baghdadism.”
Suggesting there’s no Jewish genetic markers and it’s all a Zionist conspiracy lmao? Do you hear yourself? What an absolute clown show of a statement. Jewish people aren’t just a religion—they are an ethnoreligious group. That means they are both a people and a faith, like Kurds, Armenians, or Sikhs. Genetic studies, including peer-reviewed ones, have shown that Jewish populations—Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi—share a significant Middle Eastern genetic signature. This has been published in journals like Nature and The American Journal of Human Genetics, not “Zio paid-for propaganda.” Your “everyone’s the same” nonsense is just a lazy deflection. Human genetics isn’t a perfect match across the board, and the fact that Jews share a closer ancestry with Levantine populations than with their host nations is science, not Zionist fan fiction. Cope harder.
About Africa, no one is saying we should go back to the Rift Valley. We’re talking about historical continuity, not the literal dawn of humanity. If you can’t tell the difference between the out-of-Africa migration 70,000 years ago and a people exiled 2,000 years ago trying to return to their homeland, you’re not qualified to have this discussion.
Wrong again, genius. Jews are not just a religion; they are an ethnic nation with a shared culture, language (Hebrew), history, and identity. That’s why Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, not just a synagogue writ large. The same reason why Kurds want a homeland, why Armenians have Armenia, and why the Irish fought for Ireland. You’d deny that to the Jews alone? Yeah, that’s called antisemitism. Mask off.
Here’s the cold hard truth you can’t accept: The Jewish people have a continuous, unbroken connection to the Land of Israel, backed by history, archaeology, genetics, and plain old reality. They fought for it, they bled for it, and they built a nation out of the ashes of exile. You don’t like it? Too bad. The modern state of Israel exists, it’s thriving, and it’s not going anywhere. I say all of this as a non-Jew agnostic who lives across the planet from there. You will die mad about this until your final breath and that gives me immense joy ☺️
You said:. The modern state of Israel exists, it’s thriving, and it’s not going anywhere.
No sadistic, bestially savage, racist, fascist State is thriving. The Israeli Jews are brainwashed from birth to hate and kill and the State, society and culture are psychopathic schizoid. They are a danger to everyone else and themselves.
The evil that is Israel will be dismantled and that process speeds up with every bomb and every bullet. They are insane, they are lunatics and they have been that way from the start and 77 years of their toxic culture has only made them worse.
I feel deeply sorry for Israelis and wish for them to be released as much as I wish freedom for Palestine. I also wish for Judaism and real Jews to be released from the toxic taint of this Zionist State.
You said: The Jewish connection to the land of Israel/Palestine isn’t some fairy tale or “vibes-based” claim. It’s backed by archaeological records, continuous presence,
Well, Jews have a continuous presence in Iraq where their religion was invented so why not claim that?
Muslims have a continuous presence in India which they ruled for 600 years so you are saying they can claim that?
what a stupid idea. RELIGIONS CANNOT CLAIM A GRAIN OF SAND ON PLANET EARTH. WHO CARES HOW LONG SOME FOLLOWERS LIVED THERE?
You said: and—brace yourself—actual historical sovereignty.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HISTORICAL SOVEREIGNTY BASED ON A RELIGION OR FOLLOWERS CAMPING THERE LONG AGO.
You said: Jewish kingdoms existed in that land for over a thousand years,
There is evidence one did. No evidence for plural and no evidence for an Israel but WHO CARES. There were Muslim kingdoms in India, Spain and much of Europe for a thousand years. It gives them no rights.
You said: long before Arabs ever showed up in the 7th century. You wanna erase that because it’s inconvenient?
First you have to do apples with apples. Arab is a culture, Arabic speaking and Jew is a religion. Either compare Arabs with other cultures or Jews with religions. Do not mix them up.
The Arab world laid the foundation for the modern Western world and was one of the most enlightened and brilliant in human history. In fact when Jews were thrown out of Europe in the 15th century it was the Arab/Muslim world which opened their doors to them. They lived there happily for centuries until they turned on their hosts with the help of the vile Zionists.
You said: Here’s the problem: “Palestinians” as an ethnic group didn’t exist 5,000 years ago.
They sure did. The Egyptians wrote about Palestine and the Palestinians, a people who invaded them more than once. And let us dip a toe into sanity, who gives a screaming fuck what Palestinians were more than 5000 years ago, they were ancient and so was their country before most others.
You said: the term Palestine comes from the Roman renaming of the province Judea to Syria Palaestina in the 2nd century AD
Hmmmm, so, were the Egyptians psychic 3000 years before that point, when Romans did not even exist and neither did Jews, carving notes about PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS INTO STONE?
We have the evidence. Palestine was mentioned before Jews, Romans, Philistines etc., even existed. Ergo, logic says the name is ancient and it probably came from the ancient Canaanite/Palestinian God, PALES.
You said: Yes, Israel, what you incorrectly call Palestine, is the birthplace of Judaism
Hmm, kinda weird dontcha think that the Egyptians made a note about a tribe called Judah, from which the term Jew comes, setting up camp in Palestine around 3000 years ago after leaving what is now Iraq. Damn those facts they just get you every time.
JUDAISM WAS INVENTED IN WHAT IS NOW IRAQ.
CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED IN PALESTINE SO ARE YOU SAYING CHRISTIANS CAN CLAIM PALESTINE? That is your theory.
You said:—the Torah, the laws, the Temple—was born in the Land of Israel, with its heart in Jerusalem.
NOPE. NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE A KINGDOM OF ISRAEL EVER EXISTED OR THE MYTHICAL TEMPLE. And even if there was it counts for nothing. FAIRY STORIES ALL OF THEM.
Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel say that the Israel of the Torah was NEVER a place or meant to be a place but was a way to live. That makes sense.
You said:The Exodus, the Sinai covenant, the conquest of Canaan, the establishment of Israelite kingdoms—all in Israel/Palestine. Judaism was codified in the land, by a people living there.
THEY NEVER HAPPENED AS ISRAELI peace activist, URI AVNERY NOTED IN 2018.
“The Egyptians were obsessive chroniclers. Many tens of thousands of tablets have already been deciphered. It would have been impossible for an event like the exodus to pass without being reported at length. Not if 600,000 people left, as the Bible tells it, or 60,000, or even 6000. Especially if during the flight a whole Egyptian army contingent, including war chariots, was drowned.
The same goes for the Conquest. Because of acute security concerns, after being invaded once from there, the Egyptians employed a host of spies, - travelers, merchants and others - to follow closely the events in neighboring Canaan, in every single one of its towns and at all times. An invasion of Canaan, even a minor one, would have been reported. Except for the periodic incursions of Bedouin tribes, nothing was recorded.
Moreover, the Egyptian towns mentioned in the Bible did not exist at the time the event is supposed to have happened. They did exist, however, when the Bible was written, in the first or second century BC.
There is no need to point out that in a hundred years of frantic archaeological searching by devout Christians and Zionist zealots, not a shred of concrete evidence for the conquest of Canaan has been found (nor that the Kingdoms of Saul, David or Solomon ever existed. “
You said: Suggesting there’s no Jewish genetic markers
It is biologically, genetically, scientifically, medically, physiologically IMPOSSIBLE for any religion to create or maintain a genetic marker.
You said:and it’s all a Zionist conspiracy lmao?
Well the scam ancestry tests are and the Ziojews pay for this research and it is rigged. IT IS UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A RELIGION TO CREATE A GENETIC MARKER WHICH IS PASSED DOWN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND MIRACLE OF MIRACLE, SUDDENLY APPEARS WHEN PEOPLE BECOME JEWS THROUGH CONVERSION. Idiotic.
You said: Jewish people aren’t just a religion—they are an ethnoreligious group.
THEN PLEASE TELL ME THE LANGUAGE, COMMON LANGUAGE, NOT RELIGIOUS, WHICH EVERY JEW ON EARTH SPEAKS; THE COMMON HISTORY WHICH EVERY JEW ON EARTH AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY SHARES, WHETHER THEIR FAMILY HAS LIVED IN ENGLAND, INDIA OR RUSSIA FOR A THOUSAND YEARS, AND THE COMMON CULTURE ....WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH JUDAISM.
I can tell you they do not exist. Ergo, Jews are not an ethnicity or a people.
The Zionists invented that bullshit exploiting the Judaic fairy stories, common to all primitive peoples that they were special, united, unique etc. blah, blah, blah. Most people got over it and grew up but not Jews it seems.
You said:—Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi—share a significant Middle Eastern genetic signature.
THEY DO NOT. What DNA tests calls Ashkenazi, Jewish, appears in Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Atheists so nothing Jewish about it. Most Jews have no connection to the Middle East.And what the fock does that mean? Most humans have ancestors from the Middle East because when Homo Sapiens moved out of Africa that is where they went.
THERE IS NO DNA IN A JEW WHICH IS NOT PRESENT IN A NON-JEW.
You said: This has been published in journals like Nature and The American Journal of Human Genetics, not “Zio paid-for propaganda.”
Scientific journals are not reliable and they are about profit. Zionists pay for the research and pay to get it published. In short, science long ago sold its soul to corporations and Governments. Counts for zip.
You said: Human genetics isn’t a perfect match across the board, and the fact that Jews share a closer ancestry with Levantine populations than with their host nations is science,
The impossible and ridiculous is not science. A Jew from Ethiopia looks nothing like a Jew from India, Russia, Iran. I suggest you study genetics to understand why that is and why your claim is stupid.
AND FACT IS, EVEN IF BY SOME MAGIC EVERY JEW ON EARTH AS WELL AS MOST NON-JEWS HAD CONNECTIONS TO THE MIDDLE EAST ARE YOU SAYING THEY CAN ALL GO AND INVADE AND COLONISE ANY MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY? Wow, that is ridiculous.
You said:and a people exiled 2,000 years ago trying to return to their homeland, you’re not qualified to have this discussion.
Who cares if Jews were exiled or, more likely, just wandered off again and set up camp somewhere else. Jews are a trivial minority on planet earth and most humans do not give a toss about the delusions your religion teaches.
RELIGIONS HAVE NO RIGHTS IN LAW AND THAT APPLIES TO JEWS.
You said: Jews are not just a religion; they are an ethnic nation with a shared culture, language (Hebrew), history, and identity.
I have already established that Jews are not an ethnicity or a nation because THEY DO NOT HAVE A SHARED CULTURE, LANGUAGE, HISTORY OR IDENTITY.
A Jew from New York is very different to one from London, Johannesburg or Addis Abbaba. They have no common language, history or culture.
Ah, as to Hebrew, well, the religious Hebrew is not spoken by most Jews or even read by most Jews. It was dead for more than 2000 years which is why when it was re-invented in the late 19th and early 20th century for the Zionist colonial plan it had to take Arabic words to use with Hebrew religious grammar to invent a language. Hebrew speakers are strictly speaking, Arabs. After 2000 years religious Hebrew was not relevant to the modern world.
Yiddish was the most common language, German with a Jewish accent, but the Zionists despised the European Jews and wanted to exploit the religion, Jews being incredibly gullible it would seem, and so they invented Hebrew.
THE MOST COMMON LANGUAGE SPOKEN BY JEWS IS ENGLISH, NEXT THE FAKE HEBREW WHICH IS REALLY ARABIC, THEN RUSSIAN AND AFTER THAT MANY OTHER LANGUAGES BECAUSE JEWS LIVE IN MANY COUNTRIES AND DO NOT HAVE A SHARED LANGUAGE.
You said:That’s why Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people,
No, that is the Zio claim. If Israel is the Jewish state then you and they are saying that the atrocities Israel has committed since it invented itself represent Jewish values and practices. Wow. You are saying Judaism and Jews practice the intentional mass murder of children, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft, sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery as done by Israel for 77 years. You must really hate Jews to make that claim.
Please tell me what common language, history and culture does an English Jew have with a Russian Jew which is totally separate from the religion. Each can trace the history of their family back 1000 years in England and Russia, so, over to you, no connection to Judaism, what common language do they speak, what common culture do they practise and what common history do they have?
Without a shared language, history and culture apart from any religion, they are not an ethnicity, not a people and certainly not a nation, a concept first mooted in the 18th century and which only became a reality as nation States in the 19th century.
THERE IS NO RIGHT TO A HOMELAND FULLSTOP AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR RELIGIONS.
Religions do not MAKE A PEOPLE OR A NATION. JEWS ARE NOT A PEOPLE OR A NATION OR AN ETHNICITY.
Every Jew on the planet does not have a shared history, culture or language. All they share is the religion.
Palestine is the homeland of the Palestinian people and no-one else.
Sure a few Jews camped there long ago and invented religious fairy stories but who cares?
By your criteria Muslims could invade, occupy and colonise everywhere they ever lived and that would include India, Spain and most of Europe. What a stupid idea.
Christians ruled Istanbul and Turkey for more than a thousand years so you are saying it belongs to Christians. What absolute bullshit.
There is not thousands of years of Jewish archaeological history in Palestine or anywhere and it would not matter a toss if there was. RELIGIONS HAVE NO RIGHTS TO LAND.
I really hope that I live to see Israel face the devastating reckoning that will one day come.
Jim,
'that one day will come?' The world should hope so. Their actions have well and truly passed the extremes many of us saw during the Nazi 'master race' program when today's criminals were the victims.
Same 'master race' philosophy, exploiting the weaknesses of their Western supporters, media as well, one of the really evil aspects of this crime against humanity. Propaganda.
Short memories, some people as they have not gained much in the way of knowledge from world history by creating a worse atmosphere that we have ever seen before in our modern world. No better than ancient world acts of barbarism, thinking they have some god-given right as God's chosen people.
One of the long held fantasies by a race of people, all with diminished mentalities, obviously.
Right, but it's not a race. We are ALL of the same human race. Jews is an ethny, a religion.
Yes, you are right, of course, but the master race is..... or was a pseudoscientific concept to my knowledge only in Nazi ideology, in which the putative Aryan race is deemed the pinnacle of human racial hierarchy. Members were referred to as 'master humans'.
I am sure that there is a touch of that in the current thinking in Israel. Perhaps more than just a touch.
As well, by way of a simple apology, Cornelia, being exposed to so much propaganda in this day and age, one has a right to think that whatever one says is accurate enough to pass inspection. We see this principle in fact provided by the Western media every day, with a serious dose of lies, plain on purpose lies.
However, to add some facts, the three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.
Their mistake has been to think part of that purpose is to own Palestine and kill 200,000 decent people..
me too jim. i'd also like our politicians, who are aiding and abetting this, to face the same punishment. when so many people in the uk march every week, raise their voices against genocide, how do the people who are supposed to be our representatives get away with supporting genocide ?
I just want Israel to be gone, into the dustbin of historically bad ideas.
And not just shitsrael but all politicians (especially from the "western civilization") and all institutions that have enabled this genocide.
You never ever will and you will die mad about until your final breath.
Hopium
A brave statement! You know what? You are damn right! Why should Israel exist if their existence means the slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinians? If their existence means they are willing to annihilate Palestinian children, have absolute zero regard or respect for human lives? If their existence means expelling Palestinians off their own land! If their existence means turning the world into a blind, soulless, heartless place since it is Israel’s right to exist is signalling to our world that it is ok to murder the innocent for land and resources!
How can the same not be said of the USA. Canada, and Australia? Is it that the main onslaught has stopped and now it’s fait accompli? Does that allow us to “look forward”?
Certainly, stopping the immediate slaughter is vital. I’m not arguing, but wondering, if we need to go further in our understanding of, and opposition to, settler colonialism, that continues at a different pace.
Israel exists because the Rothschild family who are multi trillionaires due to banking and wars they lend money for ( which they hence start) and their relatives the UK royals created it. Israel is a base to loot, genocide and depopulate the Middle East, the planet. US ( also owned still bhbUK apparently).also finances Israel with billions of dollars a year from.taxpayers while millions of Americans work long hours but cannot afford health care, or essentials. Until the cancer of Zionism is removed from the planet ...
Israel exists (and is allowed to exist and is even explicitly supported) because Israel serves the purposes of the Empire - the U.S. Empire and the Empire of Global Capitalism. Until the U.S. Empire is weakened, such geopolitics and imperialism (in the MENA region or elsewhere in the world) will continue to occur and destroy the lives of millions of ordinary people - for no good reason other than to make the 0.01% even wealthier. That is HOW SICK the psychopaths and sociopaths at the top of the hierarchy are!
Israel doesn’t exist, it is all occupied Palestine.
Ah yes, a guy with a parody profile picture of 9/11 is totally a sane, rational person that everybody with a conscience or shred of decency wants to have their views aligned with lmao
I agree with them 100% and I'm not any of what you described.
You’re not a totally a sane, rational person that everybody with a conscience or shred of decency wants to have their views aligned with? Wow, I’m shocked. Utterly shocked!
If you think 9/11 was funny and worth publicly mocking, you are not a good person and writers who attract people like you to their comment sections are not good writers with good ideas worth listening to.
imo, you're distracting. i'd suggest you'd address the point of the comment.
Stephen is another apologist Zionist troll, obfuscating and diverting from the truth.
Right cause only American lives matter.
I will absolutely mock Americans for caring about 9/11 when their military industrial complex bombed the middle east into "stability." The USA deserves far worse than 9/11. It needs total collapse for humanity to progress rather than die off from terraforming the planet to make it LESS jabitable.
Every year on 9/11 I go buy a donut and remind everyone that there's something much much worse than a terrorist: A state funded terrorist. No, I lost sympathy for your pathetic attempts at nationalism 1million dead Iraqis ago.
That Dick Cheney was allowed into power is another thing that makes EVERY tax paying American complicit in the wars they keep losing.
Right cause only American lives matter.
I will absolutely mock Americans for caring about 9/11 when their military industrial complex bombed the middle east into "stability." The USA deserves far worse than 9/11. It needs total collapse for humanity to progress rather than die off from terraforming the planet to make it LESS jabitable.
Every year on 9/11 I go buy a donut and some flowers, then remind everyone that there's something much much worse than a terrorist: A state funded terrorist. No, I lost sympathy for your pathetic attempts at nationalism 1million dead Iraqis ago.
That Dick Cheney was allowed into power is another thing that makes EVERY tax paying American complicit in the wars they keep losing.Coming from a fascist this is hilarious. Terrible, but hilarious.
"Conscience" "Shred of Decency". 9/11 was a Mossad CIA false flag mission.
Nope - simple blowback for U.S. Imperialism.
"Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire" by Chalmers Johnson (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40709.Blowback)
I also suggest going through the rest of the books in the "American Empire Project" [https://www.goodreads.com/series/324809-american-empire-project]
It is only a matter of time before ORDINARY HUMANS (and the Global South) do what comes naturally to humans - revenge and retaliation - for all the oppression, exploitation, imperialism, terrorism, etc. suffered by ordinary people (and the Global South) at the hands of the U.S. Empire and Israel.
Like I said, these are the consequences of BLOWBACK.
100%.
Israel's pure evil is poisoning the planet and humanity.
America's day is coming. And Israel's too!
Lmao right, whatever helps you sleep at night little buddy 😂
Hey there Stephen, while you troll with your immoral position. I ask...
Do "values" actually matter anymore when the vast and overwhelming majority of Jews continue to fund, support, lie, spread propaganda and fight for Israel? Are we not past the point of no return for Jews and their "values"? Have they not proven that they will do anything to support Israel and its continued war crimes (which seems to have lost all meaning)? Are we not at a point where it is obvious that the majority of Jews will be very happy and relieved to have Palestinians wiped from the earth only to take their land? Have they not said it over and over and over? Are they not carrying out their planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine? At what point will the world realize that this is not a conflict, but a planned genocide of epic proportions being committed and supported by Jews? Do values matter any more? An irrelevant smoke screen.
I see it differently. Israel is the face of a new dark age the world has entered. If the western colonial powers quit supporting this evil it could not continue. AH could only dream of having full western governments and western Pravda supporting WW2 Germany but this is what we are seeing.
It is important to understand that the ethnostate of Israel exists only because Great Briton, the US and its European poodles exercised their undue and corrupt influence on the United Nations to accept Israel as a state recognized by the UN. It never should have happened. The intent of the Zionists who ultimately formed Israel as a settlor/colonial state was always to steal the land and resources of the indigenous people who had occupied and owned the land for hundreds of years. There is absolutely no legitimacy to this ideology - it is based on lies, theft, murder and expulsion of the rightly owners of the land and homes from their properties. That fact is well understood by anyone who bothers to learn the facts. Israel has NO right to exist and should NOT exist. If justice prevailed, the Israelis would be expelled from all of Palestine, including the part which is now wrongly known as Israel and the land returned to its rightful owners, the Palestinians. I am a US citizen who is sickened by the fact that my Country is enabling the genocide of the Palestinians. My Country is controlled by the Israel lobby and people in the US government who have no integrity or decency. Almost all members of the US Congress support the genocide due to the bribe money they receive from the Israel lobby. That is the true character of the US government today.
Most people think that concentration camps were invented and created in Nazi Germany.
They could not be more wrong...
The first concentration camps were invented and run by the British (UK) during the Second Boer War in South Africa.
During the Second Boer War (1899-1902), the British established concentration camps in South Africa to detain Boer civilians, primarily women and children, as part of a strategy to undermine Boer guerrilla warfare. Over 47,900 people died in these camps due to poor conditions, including inadequate food and sanitation.
It gets worse…
Starvation as a weapon was used by the British (UK) as a part of the artificially-created Irish “potato famine”. Foodstuffs were being shipped to the UK while the Irish were starving.
This falls in line with the attitude of the UK government with regards to the ongoing genocides in Gaza and the West Bank.
Gaza is an open-air concentration camp, much worse than German labor camps and on a par with British Second Boer War concentration camps.
Genocide is an integral part of judaism. The British learned their genocidal attitudes from the JEW$ quite well.
Agree with everything, except that we should not blame Moral Jews, who have suffered terribly in the numerous pogroms against them.
Zionists are NOT real Jews, not a scintilla of morality amongst them!
They are a real and imminent danger for ALL of Humanity!!!
I must respectfully disagree...ALL jews are taught from birth that they are "special" and superior to us gentiles (goyim) and at the same time identify themselves as "victims" being persecuted for no reason at all (yeah, right). This incongruent duality manifests itself in mental illness, which I am convinced afflicts most jews .
As to pogroms, they were a reaction to jewish (mis)behavior and criminality and were quite often justified.
That being said, I treat ALL people I come in contact with respectfully and expect the same treatment in return. It's the HUMAN thing to do.
A majority of "good" jews believe and support the genocides that are presently taking place in both the West Bank and Gaza. THAT is a problem.
One good example:
The Chabad jewish community, the largest in New York City, was initially against the genocide taking place in Gaza and publicly stated their position.
They were "outed" by zionist jews which exposed their child sacrifice tunnels dug out beneath their synagogue building. Due to jewish power which reigns supreme, the tunnels were filled in, evidence such as child high-chairs, blood-stained child-size mattresses, and other childhood abuse evidence was destroyed in the process.
These same Chabad have "changed their stripes" and are now advertising "Gaza Waterfront Property For Sale".
Sorry to say, jews cannot be trusted...
>>"ALL jews are taught from birth that they are "special" and superior to us gentiles (goyim) and at the same time identify themselves as "victims""
ThomNast, what does that imply? That implies INDOCTRINATION. What you described is called 'indoctrination from birth' into an indoctrinated society.
Similarly, man Americans are INDOCTRINATED into 'American Exceptionalism'. Ask anyone that has immigrated to the U.S. from elsewhere (even Whites from Western Europe) - and they very quickly learn and realize how indoctrinated people in the U.S. are about 'American Exceptionalism'.
Next step from here -> indoctrination does not have to be permanent. There are many Americans that have OVERCOME this 'American Exceptionalism' indoctrination. Similarly, there are many Jews (in America and elsewhere - but NOT in Israel to the best of my knowledge) that have overcome Zionist indoctrination.
I recommend watching the movie "Israelism" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9636732/) to better understand the DE-indoctrination of many Jews and Zionsists in the U.S.
Hence, your comment >>"Sorry to say, jews cannot be trusted..."
is just another hate-filled statement that Nazis would love. And Nazis are like Zionists. So if you espouse Nazi-like ideologies and hate, you are, in effect, a Zionist.
I would AGREE with you, though, that Zionists cannot be trusted (regardless if they are Jewish Zionists or Christian Zionists or some other kind), Israelis cannot be trusted (regardless of if they are Jews or not, though I would tend to trust Palestinian Israelis - which is a funny thing in its own right - it SHOULD BE Palestinian Palestinians.). And I ALSO AGREE that Israel SHOULD NOT EXIST!
Do "values" actually matter anymore when the vast and overwhelming majority of Jews continue to fund, support, lie, spread propaganda and fight for Israel? Are we not past the point of no return for Jews and their "values"? Have they not proven that they will do anything to support Israel and its continued war crimes (which seems to have lost all meaning)? Are we not at a point where it is obvious that the majority of Jews will be very happy and relieved to have Palestinians wiped from the earth only to take their land? Have they not said it over and over and over? Are they not carrying out their planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine? At what point will the world realize that this is not a conflict, but a planned genocide of epic proportions being committed and supported by Jews? Do values matter any more? An irrelevant smoke screen.
I am completely against Racism of any kind! Given that we ALL on this planet have a genome at least 99.9% exactly the same, regardless of any "racial" differences between humans., then Racism is absurd!!
But my main point is: what is it that MAKES someone Jewish (or Muslim or Christian)? Isn't it merely their self-advocated classification? Blood-lines are superficial. After all, any Jew could profess to being a Christian, ... or even Atheist.
We are well pat the "racism" discussion. A genocide is taking place and empty rhetoric pontificating over who is what is now irrelevant. Caitlin and others are doing their absolute best to point this out, yet here we are discussing racism, obfuscating the real issue - a FUCKING GENOCIDE, WAR CRIMES AND ETHNIC CLEANSING by a group who calls themselves JEWS. It's simple. Fight it, if you have any morality whatsoever.
Racism? It's tribalism. And if you are against what you call racism, then talk about the racist policies of the Zionist Israelis. Talk about how 80 years of land theft, occupation, apartheid, and systematic demonization of Muslims and Arabs has affected the world and Palestinians who have ONLY ever fought to keep their land. This is a continuous pattern of people screaming racism with the Jews crying victim. Let's look at who are the real racists are and how their agenda has shaped our world.
Bah Ha Ha Ha 'Moral jews' Bah Ha Ha Ha
It is extremely important NOT to be Racist!
Zionists are not the Jewish intellectuals that have contributed so much to Humankind throughout history.
Yes, like Gabor Maté or Albert Einstein or Norman Finkelstein or Gideon Levi or ... (very many infact).
But the extremes of branding people and Racism are always so much easier.
I love some Jews. Cancel Israel, Free Palestine and all from it..
I am a Christian Zionist. I disagree.
But you could CHOOSE to be anything, even Atheist!
We all have free will. Unless the state requires us to conform to something.
They may not have called them concentration camps back then, but what else were ”reservations”? More spacious, perhaps, due to the size of the area, and the overweening nature, of those doing the concentrating.
Concentration camps were not invented by the British. I suspect they have been around for thousands of years.
The term reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) was used for the first time for camps created by the Spanish Army in Cuba during the Ten Years’ War (1868–1878). Camps were established again during the Philippine-American War (1899–1902). At the same time, on another continent, the British used similar camps as a punitive tool in the Second Boer War (1899–1902) in South Africa. British command rounded up Boer women and children, as well as other Africans, and interned them in 34 tented camps with poor living conditions and scarce food rations, leading to high death rates.
https://www.lbi.org/exhibitions/virtual-exhibition-last-stop-before-the-last-stop/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-hitler-came-to-power/
Of course Roslyn Ross, You wouldn't know about the famines created by the British in India... several of them. The British empire used mustard gas in Iraq for the first time. And concentration camps were their speciality. The Nazis took quite a few lessons from the USA. The same with apartheid South Africa emulating the American system of segregating black Africans.
Israel took to heart the lessons of genocide and land theft and forced starvation
used by the old colonialists. Please do not trot out your excuse of " ... they have been around for thousands of years"! And that it's human nature. Reactionaries have always co-opted these notions to justify colonialism.
Not to mention what the British did in Ireland.
They ain't about to mention things that don't fit their narrative
Of course!
I do know about famines in India and I know about the ones some people claim were created on purpose by the British. I know that famines were common in what became India, before the British cobbled together the warring kingdoms and created India as it exists today. I suggest you do the research.
The reasons for famine in India had nothing to do with the British. There is no doubt the Bengal famine during WWII was exacerbated because the British were fighting a war and feeding an army, but it was hardly created by them on purpose. One could argue they should have done more for the Indians but one could also argue when a nation faces invasion its sole focus will be on itself.
I find the hate the British approach to be tedious. Tell me, if you are Indian and it sounds as if you are, should the British have removed all they built before they handed the country over? Take up the roads, railway, utilities, power lines, return Bombay to a couple of tents for fishermen, Madras the same, destroy the Taj Mahal as the Hindus wanted?
Grow up.
As to atrocities committed by the British, they rank as far less than many others. India also commits atrocities and always has done. Apply your principles equally. The British were hardly the worst of the colonists as any study of colonial history would reveal. Neither were they saints but then no humans are.
Also, you would know that Indu is not Indian if you knew even a fraction about cultures (other than White cultures). But of course, you have always been a FRAUD, a FAKE, an ILLUSIONIST, a wanna-be.
Like I've asked you before - what are your 'historian' credentials? You never bothered to answer me. You avoided the question and tried to deflect.
I also asked you whether you understood 'historical analysis' and 'historiography' (the study of history), and you didn't bother answering that question either.
More and more people on Caitlin's substack (and hopefully everywhere else on Substack) are waking up to the charade and fraud that is Roslyn Ross.
I like that people that are fully aware of and cognizant of Israel and Zionism are also becoming aware of White-Supremacists and racists such as Roslyn Ross. This is ALWAYS a good development. One needs to root out hateful ideologies wherever one finds them.
>>"The reasons for famine in India had nothing to do with the British."
and just soon after that, you say ->
>>"There is no doubt the Bengal famine during WWII was exacerbated because the British"
Do you even read your own writing, or do you just vomit out crap from your arse?
Do you not understand even simple logic (like 2 + 2 + 4)? In this case, "had nothing to do with the British" and "Bengal famine exacerbated because of the British" are CONTRADICTORY statements.
They can't both be true, just as (2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 5 can't both be true.
See! That's the problem with MOST of your comments - there is NO (or almost no) logic in them. Roslyn Ross, you seem to live in your own world that is governed by your OWN rules of logic.
Let me know when you are ready to come back to the Earth that is inhabited by homosapiens.
Oh boy, this comment just made me laugh. 🤣🤣🤣
Ever consider being a comedian Roslyn Ross? Who knows? You might still find success in life somehow...
Sigh. Pay attention.
The reasons for famine had nothing to do with the British means THE BRITISH DID NOT CREATE THE FAMINES.
If you study the long history of famine in India over a thousand years and more, pretty clearly famines did not exist because of the British.
Quote: First, the claim that colonialism caused famines cannot be verified against previous experience because there is no evidence that famines were less frequent or less deadly before. Whereas the government statistical system recorded the colonial-era famines, the precolonial data came from hagiographies and travelogues. These dissimilar datasets cannot be compared. The frequency with which famines occurred in earlier times depended on the frequency with which hagiographies were written. If this was once in fifty years, we would conclude that famines happened once in fifty years, as Bhatia did. The authors of these hagiographies praised the relief work because the kings paid them to do that. We might conclude that precolonial kings were more caring than the British. None of this makes any sense.
Second, colonialism cannot be accused of causing famines everywhere. The famines that Davis called late-Victorian holocausts happened in the Deccan, 1876-77 in the Rayalaseema region west of Chennai (Madras), and 1896 and 1898 in the Deccan Traps closer to Mumbai (Bombay). All along, in the Indo-Gangetic Basin, the population rose. The Raj ruled over the north and south. Why did it spare the north?
Here is the answer. The British Raj did not start the famines. Geography did. 1877 was the driest year in over a century (1871-1978) for which rainfall data exists. The average rainfall that year was 30 percent short of the long-term level, and a 25 percent shortfall developed again in 1896 and 1899. Monsoon failure of such an order can cause distress by drying up all accessible water sources. The effect was disastrous in the Deccan Plateau because it was normally much drier than the north and did not have rivers fed by the Himalayan snow, unlike the north. Monsoon rain was the primary source, and when that failed, cultivation stopped, and distressed people lived on infected water to die of cholera. Colonialism had nothing to do with the reason they died. End quote. https://historyreclaimed.co.uk/colonialism-did-not-cause-the-indian-famines/
Where the British had responsibility was in what was done to alleviate the famine and Bengal, one of the worst, happened at a time when the British were busy trying to save themselves.
THE STATEMENTS DO NOT CONTRADICT.
Issue one - what creates famine? Not the British.
Issue two - what is done to alleviate famine. British responsibility. as the colonial ruler. Complicated by the Bengal Famine happening at a time when the British were trying to save themselves.
100%
Could not agree more!!
BRAVO....
Ah yes, the old “everything is the Jews’ fault” routine—wrapped up in pseudo-academic buzzwords like “settler/colonial state” and the fantasy that all of modern history boils down to some cartoonish villainy by the evil Zionists and their puppet governments. It’s honestly impressive how you managed to stuff so much self-righteous ignorance, historical cherry-picking, and delusional moral grandstanding into one bitter, self-indulgent screed.
Let’s unpack this lazy nonsense. First off, the UN vote for Israel’s existence wasn’t some deep conspiracy by the “Zionist cabal” pulling the strings of the entire world. It was a two-thirds majority of the General Assembly. The Arab states rejected the partition and launched a war to wipe out Israel from day one. And as for the “rightful owners” narrative, give me a break. The land wasn’t some static, sacred Palestinian utopia before 1948—it was part of the crumbling Ottoman Empire, then a British Mandate, with complex layers of land ownership, migration, and legal claims. If you think the Ottomans, the British, or the Hashemites were somehow more “legitimate” rulers than the Jews with historical ties to the land, you’re just rewriting history to suit your ideological tantrum.
Oh, and the “bribed Congress” trope? Cute. Maybe next time you can go full mask-off and start ranting about the Elders of Zion and Rothschild banking families.
Bottom line: your rant isn’t a defense of justice or morality—it’s a lazy, regurgitated piece of propaganda dressed up as activism. It’s weak, it’s dishonest, and it’s exactly why serious people dismiss this whole line of thinking as unserious, unhinged, and unworthy of real debate.
You seem to have a lot to say in defence of this cruelty and barbarism. I like the fact that there are no likes for your drivel. As you like to say - “LMAO”. Decent people know what’s happening in Palestine, we don’t need your nonsense.
My father was born in Shanghai. His father a Baptist Missionary. His family was put in a camp by the Japanese. They did not get starved, kids shot in the head, burned alive, and bombed as poor poor thing (made up ) Israel does to humans. Cancel Israel.
The Japanese treatment of the Chinese was a million times worse than anything Israel has ever done to any Palestinian and it’s insanely stupid to suggest otherwise.
Starved, yeah totally talking about the mass famine that never came but is always talked about. Meanwhile Gazans on social media are opening new restaurants, ice cream shops and modeling fashion. Don’t say anything about THAT though!
Kids with bullets in their heads, the claim that’s often said but never shown nor proved to even be a result of Israeli actions. Oh but by all means, prove me wrong. You won’t though, because you can’t.
Burned alive? If or when that has happened, it’s a byproduct not intent, unlike the Israelis who were purposely burned alive in their own homes by Palestinians, in front of their children.
Vile propaganda and lies... another Zionist war criminal with a keyboard.
'Stephen' (or whoever it is) is a TROLL account.
It (this Stephen account) seems to be a TROLL account. More such TROLLS are bound to appear as Israel continues to lose (and hopefully is eliminated) - although the process is moving TOO SLOWLY for my comfort.
And yet after you finished wiping the drool from your chin and typed this, you had nothing to say to refute a single bit of it besides “Waaahhhh Israel is a meanie for fighting back against terrorists!!”
The non binding U.N. Resolution 181 is Non binding. Cancel it.
Amen
Bloody Sociopaths
Meanwhile, Andrew Cuomo bends over deeply for Zionist money and NYC Jewish votes, promising to codify everything from eating pasta with sausages to breathing as anti-Semitic. A more disgusting exemplar of the bloated narcissist Israel-robot US politician is hard to find at this moment.
As any anti-Zionist Jew knows, grotesque Christian Zionist a-holes like Cuomo hide behind Jews, thereby ultimately promoting actual anti-Semitism.
Adding one more layer of revulsion to this horror.
Any NYer who votes for Cuomo needs to have their head examined after he killed so many people in nursing homes. And of course his sexual assaults. That he even has the gall to run is saying something about his ego.
If someone like Trump (not to mention Biden) can become the President of the U.S., no one should be surprised about Cuomo. The problem is -> there are SO MANY like him that if one falls, another simply replaces him.
Something HAS to change in the system at a deeper level and in a more radical way than things like 'reforming voting, electorate system, etc." (IMO)
They need a new party, like happened in 1854-1860 when the anti-slavery Republicans blew away the status quo Whigs. Both the Ds and Rs fear this. They have united to preserve their corrupt duopoly that operates contrary to the public interest. They pursue this perverted goal with much more dedication and vigor than any program that might benefit the public.
As of today the Rs fake populism has his base thoroughly bamboozled. Maybe they will wake up when their standard of living has declined even faster and authoritarian oligarchic rule has become the law of the land. Then what happens? I suppose we will see.
Do you think something like "new parties" can fix the entrenched rot of the Capitalist class (i.e. oligarchy, power elite, etc.) at this stage in the history of the U.S. Empire? I'm highly skeptical of the degree of change such an option might permit.
I think the problem goes MUCH DEEPER than Team D or Team R or any team...
One may have to think outside-the-box of conventional politics IMO.
The current "team" structure continually reveals itself to be incapable of honest dealings, but rather only "clever" advertising-industry-type double dealing. Like this Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a complete fabrication of know nothings in the field. Always with the goal of sounding and looking like a solution, but serving the interests of colonialist imperialism and ethnic cleansing. And always leading to the death of innocent impoverished people.
This is what conventional USA politics invariably yields: cleverly named and constructed non-solutions -- regardless of the team in charge. This political system is FUBAR. It belongs in the toilet.
Yes, the uber-Capitalist class is VERY FOCUSED on their goals. They have always wanted one thing (regardless of facades and gaslighting narratives) - to achieve more wealth, power, control (for a variety of reasons).
Hence, they are laser focused on their objectives (regardless of EVERYTHING they say or don't say, explicitly or implicitly). They will invent whatever narratives they need (like what you accurately describe above, Vin), whatever distortions, contortions, and fabrications of "truths and facts" they need to gaslight people with.
We, the people of the world, NEED to get this straight and understand this - the ruling/capitalist class will NEVER be on the side of ordinary people - not in the context of Israel/Palestine and certainly not in the context of the internal dynamics of countries (i.e. internal politics as we see playing out in the U.S.).
But we (ordinary people) continue to keep falling for the 'shifting narratives' of Israel and the U.S. Empire (inspite of knowing that the intentions of the above 2 entities are PURE EVIL). Maybe because it is in the nature of good people to give others a second/third/fourth chance? Maybe because many of us are eternally optimistic (for pragmatic rather than realistic reasons) and hence often led astray by 'optimism bias'?
I keep trying to understand WHY the mental processes of 'ordinary people' seem to be so easily HIJACKED by 'entities on higher levels of our hierarchical systems' despite all the HUMAN HISTORY (and lessons that can be learnt from it) and past behaviors eminating from these 'locusts of power'. Will humans NEVER learn? Will humans NEVER 'truly' grow or evolve?
a new party would only be one of many tools of a (leaderless) movement.
Without going into a discussion of "leaderless" movements (as IMHO I don't think humans have evolved to the stage required where such a strategy can be enacted/implemented successfully), I have nothing against new parties.
In trying to think outside-the-box, I'm suggesting thinking outside of the paradigms and social constructs of 'parties', if possible.
What would this look like? I'm not sure yet (as I don't have concrete conceptualizations of alternatives and I am still learning more as I go along).
The left loves him. Why else would he run?
Shit Libs love him to be precise, just as they love scum like the Clintons -- same cesspool of feces. The real left hates his guts.
Promoting actual antisemitism is seen as a feature, not a bug, as long as antisemitism continues to be seen as low-status.
Not to mention Trump...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/miriam-adelson-gives-100-million-to-trump-campaign-making-good-on-reported-pledge/
Ah yes, Lady Miriam and Hubby Sheldon's gambling billions. More bloody sociopaths.
How about 10,000 special pro Palestine visitors to her casino's? It's not a gamble to Free Free Palestine.
'anti-Zio jew' that's a good one.
fiction day on SS
I hate to disabuse you of your ignorance, but they do exist. And I'm not gonna even quote you Max Blumenthal or any other Jews I'm not personally familiar with. But here are some names of MY FRIENDS: Marla E. [alive]. Dr. Michael G. [deceased]. Haters of fucking Israel -- both because of its land theft fron indigenous Palestinian Arabs and because it reflected badly on themselves as Jews, indicting them as co-conspirators in a tragedy they completely oppose[d]. This is personal for me. There ARE indeed upstanding Anti-Zionist Jews in the world. I strongly recommend you read Miko Peled's "The General's Son", and spend some time on The Grayzone. And no, I am not, nor have ever been of that persuasion. I can merely think outside a fucking box.
CJ>>"If this is Israel, then Israel should not exist. If what we are seeing in Gaza is what it means for Israel to exist, then it shouldn’t."
💯 should NOT EXIST! Never should have been brought into existence in the first place!
I would love to see Piers Morgan go from "Do you condemn Hamas?" to "Should Israel Even Be Allowed To Exist?"
If that happens (though extremely unlikely), then I know that the tables have turned on Israel - and that it is only a matter of time before...
Fuck Israel! Fuck Zionists! FREE PALESTINE! ❤️
Spot on. Bravo. Agree 100%. A FAKE STATE.
Spot on. Bravo. Agree 100%. A FAKE STATE.
No state on this earth has a right to exist, particularly no state that behaves as if it were above all but God’s laws, which incidentally Israel and the USA are in the habit of violating with complete abandon and impunity.
But you forget--Israel and the USA think they are "god" and that they get to make all the laws and break any rules that they as "gods" want to. That's the problem in a nutshell.
Absolutely!
Israel and its American sponsor care nothing for God but only for power.
In human history it is well established by facts that the western "culture and civilization" only brought genocides, misery, propaganda, colonization, theft of real (estate) and intellectual property (which then they claim is theirs), etc.
I cannot wait for the day Israel is done for. I will party myself into a stupor
You will never ever live to see that day lmao 😂
Blowback is not a beach in Palestine. Be Afraid if Palestine is not free.
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Don't be so sure genocidal zionist apologist. Genocidal fascist systems always fail. It is only a question of when.
“People scream bloody murder when you say this”
These people are racist, ethno-supremacist, genocide-supporting scum. Fuck them. Let them scream until they and their disgusting Zionist project die.
One state. Palestine. With equal rights for all citizens, Jewish and Arab. Disband the IDF, liquidate the Israeli state. Maybe we give the jews a small area like the Vatican to make them feel special. Otherwise, Israel cannot exist.
I’ve thought the same thing… why wasn’t “Israel” a city? An out post for humanitarian efforts in the Middle East, western soft power… imagine if the United States spent as much or even half as much in the region on building up and stabilizing rather than just selling guns and bombs. You can buy a lot of friends for billions of dollars a year, which we already spent on Israel’s “defense”.
>>"why wasn’t “Israel” a city?"
Because Israel exists FIRST and FOREMOST for the benefit of Western Nations and the U.S. Empire. Do you think Israel would be allowed to continue to exist if it did not provide whatever the U.S. Empire needs from it? (I doubt anyone in the world knows EVERYTHING that Israel does for Western Powers, every little secret, every little assassination...)
Israel has had a huge hand in U.S. Imperialism ("Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations" by Ronen Bergman) [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33598223-rise-and-kill-first]
Israel is a Nazi state and has always been such. If only the West hasn't worked so hard to devalue the word "Nazi" (as in "soup nazi") post WWII ,then that characterization would be all-encompassing and sufficient.
What Israel is doing is straight out genocide. https://szuidema304199.substack.com/p/just-say-it-israel-is-committing
To say the least…
It is past time to condemn Israel to disbandonment. The only problem is where would these deliberate killers of babies and children settle? Would any country be willing to accept them? Those countries who have given them the most aid and support should be the ones to accept them, so definitely America, who refused to take them in after WWII, no refusal, no vote. Anyone else who aided them should take a share, though America should take the most - and worry about them taking over there later, you reap what you've sown.
The only other way would be that they suffer what they visited upon Palestine and Gaza where they herded Palestinians to make the killing simpler for them, IOF being so weak.
One thing would have to be attended to beforehand -- make sure all the incarcerated were set free, otherwise these vengeful Israelis would murder them all; their families have already suffered enough.
Or maybe they could be sent to Mars as colonisers, without weapons since there's nobody on Mars to fight, so they could be the supreme beings they think now they are, but not allowed ever to return to earth.
They should be allowed to return to their origins but perhaps only if they commit to psychiatric help. Many of them have dual passports anyway and a lot of the absolute raving mad lunatics are Americans.
You have a point there that those Americans should return to America. But with no right to return to Palestine having that duailty re over. However since the US politicians are such high supporters of Israelis,it's only fair that their constituencies take the most violent Israelis to be part of their flock, they have been compromised by the bribes so, again,reap what you've sown.
Well they have no right to be in Palestine anyway and Israel will not exist. Any Israelis who want to remain as Palestinians should be given the chance as long as they can behave perhaps. Although not sure if they are capable of behaving.
BACK TO KHAZARIA‼️😵💫
How about Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia, etc. That is where 95% of khazars came from.
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"Advocating the end of this genocidal state doesn’t make someone a monster, advocating its continuation does." Well said. But they would not be able to realize their monstrous fantasies without US arms. Both are culpable and closely involved in the crime of history.
"Israel" must be eliminated, and the Jews can be content with a Jewish Autonomous Region with Birobidzhan as its capital.
Jews can go back to where they came from. In fact even before October 7 many younger Jews, the sane ones, sickened at the evil that was their State went back to where their parents or grandparents came from and one of the biggest communities is in Berlin. They feel safer and happier in Germany than in Zionist Israel, the state of hate and blood-drenched slaughter.
Remember when journalist Helen Thomas was viciously “cancelled” for stating that Jewish people could return to Germany? Turns out she was not being particularly antisemitic but was correct.
https://www.npr.org/2013/07/20/203939187/helen-thomas-who-broke-barriers-in-the-white-house-press-room
The censorship has been going on for decades.
https://www.germany.info/us-en/welcome/03-jewish-life-germany
I remember researching this after all the brouhaha surrounding her statement.
Yes just a pity the Germans are promoting the genocide out of misplaced guilt.
Germany was and always is on the wrong side of the history. The one constant of German people.
I just wanted to say that the Jewish Autonomous Region is the only Jewish state entity in the world whose legitimacy no one disputes.
Why do you think this Zionist State has legitimacy?
Could it be because of Money and guilt?
"Israel" has no legitimacy. It is kept only by money and the US elite, who benefit from the war.
That is what I was saying.
The region in Russia is not a State as in an independent Jewish State. It is part of Russia with Jews allowed to live there if they wish and most do not. It has as much independence as a State in the US or a county in the UK, maybe.
That's not quite true. The national interests of Jews, their language and traditions are taken into account in the Jewish Autonomous Region.
It is not independent. It is a region in Russia which is semi-autonomous where the Russian Government hopes, Jews can go away and stop meddling. Their language is Russian, which is the third most common language for Jews after English and the Hebrew invented for Israel.
That would be because the Region in Russia is not colonising someone else's country. Russia created it although it has attracted few Jews. Russia created it in its own country, on its own land.
AND IT IS NOT A STATE ENTITY. IT IS A PART OF RUSSIA AND CONTROLLED BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
Israel was created through genocidal colonisation of someone else's country and that is why it is illegitimate. Beyond the slaughter and theft and barbarous savagery of 47/48, Israel has inflicted sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery on the Palestinians for 77 years. That is not happening in the Jewish Autonomous region.
And "Israel" is just a Nazi occupier.
Right. But the Jewish Autonomous Region is a state entity, although it is not independent. It is a full-fledged subject of the federation.
Yes I understand that. However, it is not an independent State colonising and occupying someone else’s country.
Please no, I don't want to live around these people, they can stay there under Iranian occupation or something, under a hefty "de-Zionification" program.
I understand your sentiment. I don't think any people anywhere in the world want to live with Israelis. I don't even think many Zionist Americans would want to live with Israelis (though I could be mistaken here).
WTF. There will be no Iranian occupation. The Iran threat is all bullshit from Ziorael. It will be a free Palestine.
> Thousands of years of Jewish archeological history
> Thousands of years of written record and continuous Jewish presence
> Universally acknowledged as the birthplace of Judaism
> Extremely high levels of Caananite lineage among all Jews worldwide
Lmao Jews did go back to where they came from, die mad about it. Why don’t you go back to where your ancestors came from hypocrite?
Some Jews could have lived in Palestine for all of its existence and Judaism could have been invented in Palestine instead of what is now Iraq but it would give Jews no claims on or rights to Palestine. Religions do not get to claim a grain of sand on planet earth.
Judaism is believed to have been invented between 3-4,000 years ago. By the time it was invented Palestine and Palestinians were already ancient. Egyptian hieroglyphs have been transcribed mentioning the country and its people more than 5000 years ago.
And no, Palestine was not the birthplace of Judaism. That was what is now Iraq, a region of Mesopotamia. The Egyptians also made a note when a tribe called Judah wandered into Palestine around 3000 years ago and set up camp, just one of dozens in Palestine. Colonists then as now.
You said: Extremely high levels of Caananite lineage among all Jews worldwide.
Total bullshit. It is impossible for a religion to create or maintain a genetic marker. There is no DNA in Jews which does not exist in non-Jews. The ancestry testing crap is Zio paid for propaganda. What they call Jewish ancestry appears in Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists. And that is because all humans alive today are descended from the same relatively small group of distant ancestors so beyond trivial differences we all have the same DNA.
As to going back to where ancestors came from that is a bit silly. We all have the same ancestors and they all came out of Africa. Are you suggesting 8 billion humans should pack up and head off to Africa?
JEWS ARE A RELIGION AND NO RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO LAND, HOMELAND OR SELF DETERMINATION. If Jews had such a right then every religion would have the same right and they do not.
Are you actually this dense? The right to a homeland isn’t handed out by a cosmic vending machine based on your arbitrary standards. Nations and peoples establish ties to lands through history, blood, conquest, settlement, and—yes—religion. The Jewish connection to the land of Israel/Palestine isn’t some fairy tale or “vibes-based” claim. It’s backed by archaeological records, continuous presence, and—brace yourself—actual historical sovereignty. Jewish kingdoms existed in that land for over a thousand years, long before Arabs ever showed up in the 7th century. You wanna erase that because it’s inconvenient? Cute. But reality doesn’t care about your feelings.
“Judaism is believed to have been invented between 3-4,000 years ago. By the time it was invented Palestine and Palestinians were already ancient. Egyptian hieroglyphs have been transcribed mentioning the country and its people more than 5000 years ago.”
Oh, wow, you learned a big number. Here’s the problem: “Palestinians” as an ethnic group didn’t exist 5,000 years ago. The term Palestine comes from the Roman renaming of the province Judea to Syria Palaestina in the 2nd century AD to spite the Jews after crushing the Bar Kokhba revolt. Before that, there were Canaanites, Philistines (an Aegean people), Hebrews, Egyptians, and others—not Palestinians in any modern sense. This claim is as historically valid as calling modern Italians “Etruscans.”
Yes, Israel, what you incorrectly call Palestine, is the birthplace of Judaism and to suggest otherwise is absolute nonsense. Total next-level ignorance. The patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) came from Mesopotamia, sure, but Judaism as a religion—the Torah, the laws, the Temple—was born in the Land of Israel, with its heart in Jerusalem. The Exodus, the Sinai covenant, the conquest of Canaan, the establishment of Israelite kingdoms—all in Israel/Palestine. Judaism was codified in the land, by a people living there. That’s why it’s called Zionism, not “Baghdadism.”
Suggesting there’s no Jewish genetic markers and it’s all a Zionist conspiracy lmao? Do you hear yourself? What an absolute clown show of a statement. Jewish people aren’t just a religion—they are an ethnoreligious group. That means they are both a people and a faith, like Kurds, Armenians, or Sikhs. Genetic studies, including peer-reviewed ones, have shown that Jewish populations—Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi—share a significant Middle Eastern genetic signature. This has been published in journals like Nature and The American Journal of Human Genetics, not “Zio paid-for propaganda.” Your “everyone’s the same” nonsense is just a lazy deflection. Human genetics isn’t a perfect match across the board, and the fact that Jews share a closer ancestry with Levantine populations than with their host nations is science, not Zionist fan fiction. Cope harder.
About Africa, no one is saying we should go back to the Rift Valley. We’re talking about historical continuity, not the literal dawn of humanity. If you can’t tell the difference between the out-of-Africa migration 70,000 years ago and a people exiled 2,000 years ago trying to return to their homeland, you’re not qualified to have this discussion.
Wrong again, genius. Jews are not just a religion; they are an ethnic nation with a shared culture, language (Hebrew), history, and identity. That’s why Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, not just a synagogue writ large. The same reason why Kurds want a homeland, why Armenians have Armenia, and why the Irish fought for Ireland. You’d deny that to the Jews alone? Yeah, that’s called antisemitism. Mask off.
Here’s the cold hard truth you can’t accept: The Jewish people have a continuous, unbroken connection to the Land of Israel, backed by history, archaeology, genetics, and plain old reality. They fought for it, they bled for it, and they built a nation out of the ashes of exile. You don’t like it? Too bad. The modern state of Israel exists, it’s thriving, and it’s not going anywhere. I say all of this as a non-Jew agnostic who lives across the planet from there. You will die mad about this until your final breath and that gives me immense joy ☺️
More Vile revisionist history, lies and propaganda from a Zionist war criminal.
You said:. The modern state of Israel exists, it’s thriving, and it’s not going anywhere.
No sadistic, bestially savage, racist, fascist State is thriving. The Israeli Jews are brainwashed from birth to hate and kill and the State, society and culture are psychopathic schizoid. They are a danger to everyone else and themselves.
The evil that is Israel will be dismantled and that process speeds up with every bomb and every bullet. They are insane, they are lunatics and they have been that way from the start and 77 years of their toxic culture has only made them worse.
I feel deeply sorry for Israelis and wish for them to be released as much as I wish freedom for Palestine. I also wish for Judaism and real Jews to be released from the toxic taint of this Zionist State.
You said: The Jewish connection to the land of Israel/Palestine isn’t some fairy tale or “vibes-based” claim. It’s backed by archaeological records, continuous presence,
Well, Jews have a continuous presence in Iraq where their religion was invented so why not claim that?
Muslims have a continuous presence in India which they ruled for 600 years so you are saying they can claim that?
what a stupid idea. RELIGIONS CANNOT CLAIM A GRAIN OF SAND ON PLANET EARTH. WHO CARES HOW LONG SOME FOLLOWERS LIVED THERE?
You said: and—brace yourself—actual historical sovereignty.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HISTORICAL SOVEREIGNTY BASED ON A RELIGION OR FOLLOWERS CAMPING THERE LONG AGO.
You said: Jewish kingdoms existed in that land for over a thousand years,
There is evidence one did. No evidence for plural and no evidence for an Israel but WHO CARES. There were Muslim kingdoms in India, Spain and much of Europe for a thousand years. It gives them no rights.
You said: long before Arabs ever showed up in the 7th century. You wanna erase that because it’s inconvenient?
First you have to do apples with apples. Arab is a culture, Arabic speaking and Jew is a religion. Either compare Arabs with other cultures or Jews with religions. Do not mix them up.
The Arab world laid the foundation for the modern Western world and was one of the most enlightened and brilliant in human history. In fact when Jews were thrown out of Europe in the 15th century it was the Arab/Muslim world which opened their doors to them. They lived there happily for centuries until they turned on their hosts with the help of the vile Zionists.
You said: Here’s the problem: “Palestinians” as an ethnic group didn’t exist 5,000 years ago.
They sure did. The Egyptians wrote about Palestine and the Palestinians, a people who invaded them more than once. And let us dip a toe into sanity, who gives a screaming fuck what Palestinians were more than 5000 years ago, they were ancient and so was their country before most others.
You said: the term Palestine comes from the Roman renaming of the province Judea to Syria Palaestina in the 2nd century AD
Hmmmm, so, were the Egyptians psychic 3000 years before that point, when Romans did not even exist and neither did Jews, carving notes about PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS INTO STONE?
We have the evidence. Palestine was mentioned before Jews, Romans, Philistines etc., even existed. Ergo, logic says the name is ancient and it probably came from the ancient Canaanite/Palestinian God, PALES.
You said: Yes, Israel, what you incorrectly call Palestine, is the birthplace of Judaism
Hmm, kinda weird dontcha think that the Egyptians made a note about a tribe called Judah, from which the term Jew comes, setting up camp in Palestine around 3000 years ago after leaving what is now Iraq. Damn those facts they just get you every time.
JUDAISM WAS INVENTED IN WHAT IS NOW IRAQ.
CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED IN PALESTINE SO ARE YOU SAYING CHRISTIANS CAN CLAIM PALESTINE? That is your theory.
You said:—the Torah, the laws, the Temple—was born in the Land of Israel, with its heart in Jerusalem.
NOPE. NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE A KINGDOM OF ISRAEL EVER EXISTED OR THE MYTHICAL TEMPLE. And even if there was it counts for nothing. FAIRY STORIES ALL OF THEM.
Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel say that the Israel of the Torah was NEVER a place or meant to be a place but was a way to live. That makes sense.
You said:The Exodus, the Sinai covenant, the conquest of Canaan, the establishment of Israelite kingdoms—all in Israel/Palestine. Judaism was codified in the land, by a people living there.
THEY NEVER HAPPENED AS ISRAELI peace activist, URI AVNERY NOTED IN 2018.
“The Egyptians were obsessive chroniclers. Many tens of thousands of tablets have already been deciphered. It would have been impossible for an event like the exodus to pass without being reported at length. Not if 600,000 people left, as the Bible tells it, or 60,000, or even 6000. Especially if during the flight a whole Egyptian army contingent, including war chariots, was drowned.
The same goes for the Conquest. Because of acute security concerns, after being invaded once from there, the Egyptians employed a host of spies, - travelers, merchants and others - to follow closely the events in neighboring Canaan, in every single one of its towns and at all times. An invasion of Canaan, even a minor one, would have been reported. Except for the periodic incursions of Bedouin tribes, nothing was recorded.
Moreover, the Egyptian towns mentioned in the Bible did not exist at the time the event is supposed to have happened. They did exist, however, when the Bible was written, in the first or second century BC.
There is no need to point out that in a hundred years of frantic archaeological searching by devout Christians and Zionist zealots, not a shred of concrete evidence for the conquest of Canaan has been found (nor that the Kingdoms of Saul, David or Solomon ever existed. “
You said: Suggesting there’s no Jewish genetic markers
It is biologically, genetically, scientifically, medically, physiologically IMPOSSIBLE for any religion to create or maintain a genetic marker.
You said:and it’s all a Zionist conspiracy lmao?
Well the scam ancestry tests are and the Ziojews pay for this research and it is rigged. IT IS UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A RELIGION TO CREATE A GENETIC MARKER WHICH IS PASSED DOWN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND MIRACLE OF MIRACLE, SUDDENLY APPEARS WHEN PEOPLE BECOME JEWS THROUGH CONVERSION. Idiotic.
You said: Jewish people aren’t just a religion—they are an ethnoreligious group.
THEN PLEASE TELL ME THE LANGUAGE, COMMON LANGUAGE, NOT RELIGIOUS, WHICH EVERY JEW ON EARTH SPEAKS; THE COMMON HISTORY WHICH EVERY JEW ON EARTH AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY SHARES, WHETHER THEIR FAMILY HAS LIVED IN ENGLAND, INDIA OR RUSSIA FOR A THOUSAND YEARS, AND THE COMMON CULTURE ....WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH JUDAISM.
I can tell you they do not exist. Ergo, Jews are not an ethnicity or a people.
The Zionists invented that bullshit exploiting the Judaic fairy stories, common to all primitive peoples that they were special, united, unique etc. blah, blah, blah. Most people got over it and grew up but not Jews it seems.
You said:—Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi—share a significant Middle Eastern genetic signature.
THEY DO NOT. What DNA tests calls Ashkenazi, Jewish, appears in Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Atheists so nothing Jewish about it. Most Jews have no connection to the Middle East.And what the fock does that mean? Most humans have ancestors from the Middle East because when Homo Sapiens moved out of Africa that is where they went.
THERE IS NO DNA IN A JEW WHICH IS NOT PRESENT IN A NON-JEW.
You said: This has been published in journals like Nature and The American Journal of Human Genetics, not “Zio paid-for propaganda.”
Scientific journals are not reliable and they are about profit. Zionists pay for the research and pay to get it published. In short, science long ago sold its soul to corporations and Governments. Counts for zip.
You said: Human genetics isn’t a perfect match across the board, and the fact that Jews share a closer ancestry with Levantine populations than with their host nations is science,
The impossible and ridiculous is not science. A Jew from Ethiopia looks nothing like a Jew from India, Russia, Iran. I suggest you study genetics to understand why that is and why your claim is stupid.
AND FACT IS, EVEN IF BY SOME MAGIC EVERY JEW ON EARTH AS WELL AS MOST NON-JEWS HAD CONNECTIONS TO THE MIDDLE EAST ARE YOU SAYING THEY CAN ALL GO AND INVADE AND COLONISE ANY MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY? Wow, that is ridiculous.
You said:and a people exiled 2,000 years ago trying to return to their homeland, you’re not qualified to have this discussion.
Who cares if Jews were exiled or, more likely, just wandered off again and set up camp somewhere else. Jews are a trivial minority on planet earth and most humans do not give a toss about the delusions your religion teaches.
RELIGIONS HAVE NO RIGHTS IN LAW AND THAT APPLIES TO JEWS.
You said: Jews are not just a religion; they are an ethnic nation with a shared culture, language (Hebrew), history, and identity.
I have already established that Jews are not an ethnicity or a nation because THEY DO NOT HAVE A SHARED CULTURE, LANGUAGE, HISTORY OR IDENTITY.
A Jew from New York is very different to one from London, Johannesburg or Addis Abbaba. They have no common language, history or culture.
Ah, as to Hebrew, well, the religious Hebrew is not spoken by most Jews or even read by most Jews. It was dead for more than 2000 years which is why when it was re-invented in the late 19th and early 20th century for the Zionist colonial plan it had to take Arabic words to use with Hebrew religious grammar to invent a language. Hebrew speakers are strictly speaking, Arabs. After 2000 years religious Hebrew was not relevant to the modern world.
Yiddish was the most common language, German with a Jewish accent, but the Zionists despised the European Jews and wanted to exploit the religion, Jews being incredibly gullible it would seem, and so they invented Hebrew.
THE MOST COMMON LANGUAGE SPOKEN BY JEWS IS ENGLISH, NEXT THE FAKE HEBREW WHICH IS REALLY ARABIC, THEN RUSSIAN AND AFTER THAT MANY OTHER LANGUAGES BECAUSE JEWS LIVE IN MANY COUNTRIES AND DO NOT HAVE A SHARED LANGUAGE.
You said:That’s why Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people,
No, that is the Zio claim. If Israel is the Jewish state then you and they are saying that the atrocities Israel has committed since it invented itself represent Jewish values and practices. Wow. You are saying Judaism and Jews practice the intentional mass murder of children, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft, sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery as done by Israel for 77 years. You must really hate Jews to make that claim.
Please tell me what common language, history and culture does an English Jew have with a Russian Jew which is totally separate from the religion. Each can trace the history of their family back 1000 years in England and Russia, so, over to you, no connection to Judaism, what common language do they speak, what common culture do they practise and what common history do they have?
Without a shared language, history and culture apart from any religion, they are not an ethnicity, not a people and certainly not a nation, a concept first mooted in the 18th century and which only became a reality as nation States in the 19th century.
THERE IS NO RIGHT TO A HOMELAND FULLSTOP AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR RELIGIONS.
Religions do not MAKE A PEOPLE OR A NATION. JEWS ARE NOT A PEOPLE OR A NATION OR AN ETHNICITY.
Every Jew on the planet does not have a shared history, culture or language. All they share is the religion.
Palestine is the homeland of the Palestinian people and no-one else.
Sure a few Jews camped there long ago and invented religious fairy stories but who cares?
By your criteria Muslims could invade, occupy and colonise everywhere they ever lived and that would include India, Spain and most of Europe. What a stupid idea.
Christians ruled Istanbul and Turkey for more than a thousand years so you are saying it belongs to Christians. What absolute bullshit.
Palestinian jews (semites like arabs) lived in peace with others until UK/west, khazars, and zionists arrived.
There is not thousands of years of Jewish archaeological history in Palestine or anywhere and it would not matter a toss if there was. RELIGIONS HAVE NO RIGHTS TO LAND.