How many more examples do we need to "prove" to the world that a government (and by extension its people) that orchestrates, livestreams, lies, smears opponents, arrests/kills whistleblowers, and tries to then coverup a genocide (basically doing anything and everything except to admit they were wrong to commit mass murder) is evil?
>>"How many more examples do we need to "prove"..."
MM, the world ALREADY knows that Israel is evil (though many will never admit it for various reasons). This is not about "proving something with evidence" (though people mistakenly think it is), it's about how "the powerful" are able to get away with whatever they want with no consideration for anyone else but themselves.
Hence, I don't forsee a diplomatic solution to this...it seems to be playing out along the lines of "old-school colonialism/imperialism" and "might is right". This also explains why the UN and other International Organizations are unable to affect change on this.
All true, but the problem is that in times like ours, filled with liars, abusers, cheaters, and scoundrels the public imagination finds comfort in criminality. In 2016 Trump bragged that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and get away with it.
To date he’s shot 220 Venezuelan fishermen and his cultists cheer him on.
What do all wife beaters have in common? They all have wives.
Can I be an antisemitic Jew-hater Satan for a moment? The very existence of Israel is the greatest crime since Kissinger's beautiful work in Laos and Cambodia. Unless you count Bush. Or his son. Or Obama. Or Trump. Or Biden. Or Trump. *stopping for breath*
No, not counting "Bush. Or his son. Or Obama... et alia," not that they shouldn't be on the list, not that they don't deserve opprobrium to the nth power, but Israel is still far, far beyond them, it has staked out a unique place in the universe for its putridity.
Agreed. There's a unique evil, yes? A friend and I have gone back and forth about Israel vs. the Third Reich...and the more we talk it through, the more bizarre Israel seems to be....Eg. the Nazis, for better or worse, were not imposed on Germany; just as in Italy, the fascists rose out of severe economic turmoil and a political vacuum. Organic. Israel was literally engineered, by the British, now subservient to America, and the French were pleased to hang on to Lebanon....it was all as if Palestine was raw material for a Glorious New Eden (conveniently close to the Suez Canal and a whole lot of oil). And reading Khalidi's "100 Years War..." it became clear that the Palestinians were not prepared, as a unified people, to resist. Which is where, finally, the incredible Leila Khaled comes in....
Life goes in cycles. Once upon the time, Uncle Joe was the monster, then cousin Adolph, later on Pol Pot, we went through Idi Amin…and yeas later we are back at Bibi.
How does history escape the cycle and all its traps?
ya, right, shooting babies in the head while their mothers hold them is highly classified information. Can't have that getting out. A threat to national security.
"The lies we hold onto as individuals, as communities, and as a society are what allows suffering and abuse to continue at whatever scale you’re looking at."
I, for one, am gettin' tired of living in a parallel universe.
It is perfectly clear that Israel does not deserve to exist. Genocide is the logical end of Zionism. The genocide of the Palestinians was planned by the founders of Israel, including the British, who planted the poison pill which gave rise to this evil, genocidal, thieving state. Please allow me to ask the logical question which follows from these obvious facts - does the US, which enables Israel to commit the ongoing genocide, deserve to exist? I cannot logically conclude that the answer is yes. Our Country is controlled by evil people who are deeply committed to doing evil things, extending even to the genocide of an entire people. How can anyone think that that is anything but the most evil thing possible? Face up to the facts - we are the bad guys. Anyone who does not understand this is ignorant beyond help.
A not entirely rhetorical question: are Israeli psychiatric professionals overwhelmed by returning IDF personnel suffering moral injury from their murderous actions, or is the whole f***ing society so irretrievably f***ed up that the concept is completely unknown to them?
Yes, Israel is a sick society which is beyond help. Its children are taught from birth to hate Arabs and any non-Jewish persons. About 90% of Israelis support the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians. Many of them think that Israel is not doing enough to finish the genocide. This is a state and a society which is beyond reform. There will be no peace in the Middle East until this evil state is destroyed.
You are probably familiar with Norman Finkelstein calling Israel "a lunatic society" and "a death cult." Impossible to refute that. I do not refer to Israelis/Zionists as "people," there is nothing human about them except for excretory biological functions. At best they are mere "existents."
CJ>>"Israel is so evil that it’s actually illegal for Israelis to tell the truth about it."
Why am I not surprised by this? At this point, the Devil (if one existed) is more truthful and moral than Israel is...
How many more examples do we need to "prove" to the world that a government (and by extension its people) that orchestrates, livestreams, lies, smears opponents, arrests/kills whistleblowers, and tries to then coverup a genocide (basically doing anything and everything except to admit they were wrong to commit mass murder) is evil?
>>"How many more examples do we need to "prove"..."
MM, the world ALREADY knows that Israel is evil (though many will never admit it for various reasons). This is not about "proving something with evidence" (though people mistakenly think it is), it's about how "the powerful" are able to get away with whatever they want with no consideration for anyone else but themselves.
Hence, I don't forsee a diplomatic solution to this...it seems to be playing out along the lines of "old-school colonialism/imperialism" and "might is right". This also explains why the UN and other International Organizations are unable to affect change on this.
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All true, but the problem is that in times like ours, filled with liars, abusers, cheaters, and scoundrels the public imagination finds comfort in criminality. In 2016 Trump bragged that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and get away with it.
To date he’s shot 220 Venezuelan fishermen and his cultists cheer him on.
What do all wife beaters have in common? They all have wives.
Can I be an antisemitic Jew-hater Satan for a moment? The very existence of Israel is the greatest crime since Kissinger's beautiful work in Laos and Cambodia. Unless you count Bush. Or his son. Or Obama. Or Trump. Or Biden. Or Trump. *stopping for breath*
No, not counting "Bush. Or his son. Or Obama... et alia," not that they shouldn't be on the list, not that they don't deserve opprobrium to the nth power, but Israel is still far, far beyond them, it has staked out a unique place in the universe for its putridity.
Agreed. There's a unique evil, yes? A friend and I have gone back and forth about Israel vs. the Third Reich...and the more we talk it through, the more bizarre Israel seems to be....Eg. the Nazis, for better or worse, were not imposed on Germany; just as in Italy, the fascists rose out of severe economic turmoil and a political vacuum. Organic. Israel was literally engineered, by the British, now subservient to America, and the French were pleased to hang on to Lebanon....it was all as if Palestine was raw material for a Glorious New Eden (conveniently close to the Suez Canal and a whole lot of oil). And reading Khalidi's "100 Years War..." it became clear that the Palestinians were not prepared, as a unified people, to resist. Which is where, finally, the incredible Leila Khaled comes in....
Israel delenda est (because everything sounds better in Latin).
Those brave people are in grave danger
Life goes in cycles. Once upon the time, Uncle Joe was the monster, then cousin Adolph, later on Pol Pot, we went through Idi Amin…and yeas later we are back at Bibi.
How does history escape the cycle and all its traps?
Sadly I am unable to disagree. Kudos to those brave Israelis who told and tell the truth. 🤩
ya, right, shooting babies in the head while their mothers hold them is highly classified information. Can't have that getting out. A threat to national security.
"The lies we hold onto as individuals, as communities, and as a society are what allows suffering and abuse to continue at whatever scale you’re looking at."
I, for one, am gettin' tired of living in a parallel universe.
People of influence and authority are utterly uninterested in yruth, except to the extent that it can be weaponized.
How and why is this Lunatic state able to get away with this????????
A lot of new writers today. That is good.
Get the word out everyone. You will never get the truth from governments or the media.
As for Israel, the greatest liars unhung.
Everywhere is real.
It is perfectly clear that Israel does not deserve to exist. Genocide is the logical end of Zionism. The genocide of the Palestinians was planned by the founders of Israel, including the British, who planted the poison pill which gave rise to this evil, genocidal, thieving state. Please allow me to ask the logical question which follows from these obvious facts - does the US, which enables Israel to commit the ongoing genocide, deserve to exist? I cannot logically conclude that the answer is yes. Our Country is controlled by evil people who are deeply committed to doing evil things, extending even to the genocide of an entire people. How can anyone think that that is anything but the most evil thing possible? Face up to the facts - we are the bad guys. Anyone who does not understand this is ignorant beyond help.
A not entirely rhetorical question: are Israeli psychiatric professionals overwhelmed by returning IDF personnel suffering moral injury from their murderous actions, or is the whole f***ing society so irretrievably f***ed up that the concept is completely unknown to them?
Yes, Israel is a sick society which is beyond help. Its children are taught from birth to hate Arabs and any non-Jewish persons. About 90% of Israelis support the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians. Many of them think that Israel is not doing enough to finish the genocide. This is a state and a society which is beyond reform. There will be no peace in the Middle East until this evil state is destroyed.
You are probably familiar with Norman Finkelstein calling Israel "a lunatic society" and "a death cult." Impossible to refute that. I do not refer to Israelis/Zionists as "people," there is nothing human about them except for excretory biological functions. At best they are mere "existents."