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wilter downs's avatar

The people of Iran haven't committed genocide. They don't go around murdering scientists and assassinating people at will. The Israelis are the ones who need to get the Gaza experience, not Iran.

Feral Finster's avatar

Right never had anything to do with it.

Patrick Powers's avatar

Winners genocide. Loosers complain about this.

Lisa's avatar

1) Shit-weasels commit genocide.

2) Humans complain about those shit-weasels, until enough humans decide to cooperate in ridding themselves of said shit-weasels.

3) The Nazis weren't exactly "winners," despite the fact that they didn't get nearly what they deserved.

4) Even "losers" can spell loser.

What point were you attempting to make?

Feral Finster's avatar

The Nazis simply brought european colonial methods to europe.

The british, for example, conducted the entirely intentional Bengal Famine in 1943-44.

ChatterX's avatar

Brits perfected torture techniques on the Irish

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How Colonizers Force Starvation:

youtube.com/watch?v=OgBCgLF7890

ChatterX's avatar

"Fascism was the application to white people of colonial procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the 'coolies' of India, and the 'ni**ers' of Mrica."

-Aimé Fernand David Césaire

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Simply speaking, Fascism is Imperialism brought home..

youtube.com/watch?v=k17q7hdVsTA

Aamir Razak's avatar

Well said Wilter

Sylvia Frost's avatar

Thank you!! Amen!!🙏 👍

Pepper Jackson's avatar

I'm in the U.S. and I totally agree with you. All the blame is on Trump, imo.

John Ressler's avatar

Don't let the inauthentic Dismal Democratic Party off the hook as they are doing nothing to oppose Orange policy.

Pepper Jackson's avatar

You're absolutely right.

Aamir Razak's avatar

true they have enabled his warmongering as well with their inaction and inability to form a united front against him

Patrick Powers's avatar

Both parties serve Big Money. If Harris were prez, no difference.

Spunty's avatar

Both parties serve Big Zionist Money. Fixed it for you...

ChatterX's avatar

Too many ppl still prefer to remain willfully ignorant of the fact that Zionism/Israel has always been the Anglo-American Imperialist colonial project

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youtube.com/watch?v=IZjSVkkAjVk

youtube.com/watch?v=vEGVSvL6yQU

Spunty's avatar

I think these days, the Israel tail is definitely wagging the American dog.

ChatterX's avatar

Tail wagging the dog… just means the dog is weak…

But the tail is still a part of the same dog

Patrick Powers's avatar

I would guess that fossil fuels are the biggest of big money. They were key in Bill Clinton's presidential campaign.

Next is finance.

Third is the military. They don't have as much money but they also have millions of votes.

Fourth is Big Pharma. As medicine becomes increasingly consolidated it is becoming one of the biggest players.

This is whom is served.

Nancy's avatar

Yes. Remember that both Biden and Hillary Clinton voted to attack Iraq when they were in the U.S. Senate, and if the Gaza genocide has taught us anything, it’s how deep the rot goes in the U.S. Biden owns the genocide as much as Trump. He just lied about it more. And Barack Obama? What has “the voice of the party” had to say about the genocide in Gaza?

ChatterX's avatar

I wonder how many times It will take for these idiots to admit it's not about a person, it's about the system. ANY POTUS is just a figurehead.

ANY POTUS is a puppet to the MIC/CIA's Imperialist Deep State.. It's all just a kabuki theater..

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"It doesn't matter who is (s)elected, we always get John McCain…"

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Listen to the school teacher on Obama/Nuland's administration NATO/Ukraine/Syria policy, 2015:

youtu.be/UsT-O5qQaWY?t=6647

Nancy's avatar

Good for the teacher!

Landru's avatar

Properly spelled Obummer : (

David Avenell's avatar

To borrow from Douglas Adams and The Hitchikers Guide: The President doesn't have any power.

The Presidents' job is to draw attention away from the power.

ChatterX's avatar

No difference b/w political parties when it comes to support of the endless Imperialist wars.. The kickbacks work both ways..

UNIPARTY cabal..

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youtube.com/watch?v=ejqYrzEX14E

Landru's avatar

Someone sent me a clip of the entire Demoncrat Party standing and applauding with the Republican't Party , WAR on IRAN, WAR on IRAN, usa, usa, usa...........

Pepper Jackson's avatar

Yes, I've seen that. BOTH parties suck.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

The U.S. has been using this tactic since way before Trump was in office.

Feral Finster's avatar

Iran will be blamed. Whether Iran deserves to be blamed has nothing to do with it.

The empire and its pets can do no wrong. The enemies of the empire can do no right.

It's high school, all the way down.

ChatterX's avatar

The pattern remains the same:

Push the other country to the point where it has to retaliate, then use the retaliation to portray it as an "unprovoked" aggression to justify more WAR

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youtube.com/shorts/9hEVNhBox_U

aDoozy's avatar

I just watched Judge Napolitano s interview with the Grayzone's Max Blumenthal. Max talked about what Caitlin has pointed out here. The US government is considering offering US soldiers as sacrifices in order to start a war with Iran...because Israel wants it.

Max Blumenthal: US pushing Israeli first strike to trigger Iran

https://thegrayzone.substack.com/p/max-blumenthal-us-pushing-israeli?r=2vzf0g&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Patrick Powers's avatar

What did Alan Ginsberg write about Moloch back in the 50's? Nothing has changed.

Step O'Rafferty's avatar

Thanks aDoozy, that is an excellent interview.

aDoozy's avatar

You are welcome, Step. Max is a fountain of information...details, behind the scenes, history.

John Ressler's avatar

Israel has been pushing the US (a fooly owned subsidiary of Israel) to attack Iran for years. They may get their wish soon with the Orange idiot real estate con man.

Aamir Razak's avatar

Well said Mr. Ressler. These attacks are exactly what the occupiers wanted, and the orange of course complied with their request

John Ressler's avatar

I am not surprised the US is attacking Iran - even though they are not threatening the US at all. I am throughly disgusted; my heart breaks for those suffering at the hands of the biggest threat to peace on this earth.

Aamir Razak's avatar

neither am I, sadly. Agreed, they are not a threat to the US or doing anything to harm people here, yet they have just been attacked. I am ashamed, appalled and disgusted as well, innocent people suffer and die while the oligarchs and empire managers commit horrific destruction and bloodshed abroad

Spunty's avatar

More likely Israel will bomb a US base, then blame Iran. Both Israel and the US are pretty damn good at conducting false flags.

Nancy's avatar

I’ve been thinking that too.

Allan's avatar

You're supposed to bank that tinfoil hat conspiracy theory until AFTER to the strike. For now just put it in the "everything is Israel's fault file"

Jose Weto's avatar

Riddle: If a bully gets hit by a bus crossing the street on his way to beating up a smaller person, is that the smaller person's fault?

Answer: Only if the smaller person is Iranian or another enemy of Israel.

ennui_mcgee's avatar

Just pay the bus driver to make sure the job is complete.

Jose Weto's avatar

Good call. Can he back up-go forward a few times? He'll never be able to buy his own beers in public again!

Davina's avatar

But only israel and america get to choose which enemies are currently in their sights, unfortunately a lot of american citizens are currently the enemy of drumpf and satanyahu. Why else let IOF train, and become, ICE agents, apart from their liking for murder and torture - like good little debauched zionists?

Allan's avatar

I'm confused. Who is the bus driver in this metaphor?

Nicholas's avatar

I was about to type, "here's a commentary that strongly makes the case..."; however, I immediately thought, in what way is this one any different from Caitlin Johnstone's other essays? Do readers sometimes wonder, as I do, if she fully realizes how good her writing is? The highly informed but plainly stated points about complex matters, passion that doesn't exclude reason and, above all, courage, prompt me to regularly forward offerings from her newsletter. Her work deserves the widest possible circulation.

Amos's avatar

I agree, it’s really really good stuff.

I’ve thought about making a paper zine with Caitlin, Jonathan cook, council estate media, some others and leaving it in leftist bookshops and young people venues. And pay-as-you feel links to the relevant portals. (Young people are surprisingly interested in the idea of paper zines! And I think the idea of operating at a level the man can’t track might take off).

Les Johnston's avatar

When will the USA public realize they are being manipulated by the dudes who consider to be cannon/bomb fodder? The fake officious supremacists are mad about murdering any opponents. Why is the USA a puppet of the crazy Israel?

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Inspect and ban Israels nukes

Feral Finster's avatar

Nobody will ask them.

Nancy's avatar

They were also blackmailed.

ChatterX's avatar

Americans are VERY good at willful ignorance.. The best in the world, actually.

A trait developed over generations ever since the genocide of the native American population.

When confronted with his criminal actions and asked if he was worried, Allen Dulles famously said "Americans don’t read"

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BTW in Tel Aviv, there's a huge statue to James Angleton, Chief of the CIA's counterintelligence (CI) staff, who was promoted by Dulles.

That's all you need to know bout Mossad/CIA relationship..

Angleton oversaw domestic spying activities under Operation "Chaos", which targeted anti-war and civil rights movements

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"Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State."

- James Angleton, former head of CI CIA

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Israel is a Terrorist State that controls most D and R's. Iran has the right to protect itself. Cxl Israel.

denise ward's avatar

Oh boy what a bunch of juvenile delinquents. People surely won;t fall for this. These are pedophiles sending our people into countries to fight for these bullies - the US and Israel. The military, the police, leave your stations and help us make a world we can love to live in. These feckless bozos are still stuck in the caveman ear but now they have very dangerous toys.

Feral Finster's avatar

Don't kid yourself. If the military is careful of nothing else, it is very careful to train troops to obey orders without question.

includeMeOut's avatar

One of the factors which finally forced the US to exit Vietnam was the “fragging” of officers by troops, that is, troops killing their own commanders.

Feral Finster's avatar

This is entirely correct, and if you think that the military has not been studying command and control since 1975....

martin's avatar

'what doesn't kill it, only makes it stronger.'

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Hello includeMeOut, Maybe that was one of the factors but I tend to give all the credit to the brave Vietnamese and Ho Chi Minh.

Duane McPherson's avatar

I would need to see evidence to convince me that fragging was a significant factor in the US withdrawal. And as Feral Finster comments, the US military learns from and adapts to its experiences. One significant adjustment is that the soldiers now are all professional, not draftees. They are, for all practical purposes, mercenaries.

Landru's avatar

Having protested the Vietnam war , I thought I would have read to numbers of officers retiring early : )

Landru's avatar

BTW, where is our friend Gypsy? I miss her debating every word I write ha.

Feral Finster's avatar

She is lurking around.

Landru's avatar

I did smile hearing, t-shirts and mop heads stuck in drains. How true it is who knows. I still like to think Revolution is near and it's internal : )

denise ward's avatar

While that is quite true, there could also be a deep loss of faith in the troops where they cannot fight for these cartoon bozos sending them to war. There is no justification for war, war keeps us barbaric and retarded and we need to move forward now and make up for all these eons.

Feral Finster's avatar

Of course there's no justification for war. Humans are still herd animals, and military training is designed to enhance the need for humans to obey. The Milgram Experiment writ large.

denise ward's avatar

I'm hoping we're moving to higher ground in terms of our consciousness. Visualizing can bring it about. I've read that many troops are not wanting to fight for Israel. That's who they're fighting for as the US is Israel's b*tch.

Feral Finster's avatar

Nobody will ask the troops what they want. You think a farmer asks his chickens whether they prefer to be battery hens or McNuggets?

If visualizing fixed anything, nobody would starve. The hungry visualize food all the time.

martin's avatar

i think there's a possibility to open their eyes to the 'dronification' of war (like in ukraine) and the protection of the man's property ('policing'). many of them might not be an irreplaceable part of the machine in the future.

musicbob's avatar

Just a sidenote… I noticed while reading CJ‘s article that Iran actually said they would never develop a nuclear weapon, but Trump wants them to say that they would never possess a nuclear weapon. Some might think it’s just a technicality of wording, but if, let’s say, Russia or China provided Iran with a nuclear weapon, technically they would not be developing one, but would still possess one.

But anyway, all that is besides the point. At Trump‘s address to the nation, the obvious, far more important, question that should’ve been asked to him is… why can the US have nuclear weapons but not Iran?… especially considering the fact that the United States is the ONLY country to have ever used them on other human beings… and twice! It’s like one of those “elephant in the room” questions.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

musicbob, Why is the US dictating anything to the rest of the world, and more to the point why is the rest of the world taking it lying down?

Just a rhetorical question.

Landru's avatar

Sorry, all three are members of the non-proliferation treaty. But then what's a treaty among friends or enemies these days.

martin's avatar

npt would be the next treaty on the chopping block. russians talk about uk & france working on (& with) a ukrainian 'dirty' bomb. the 'grand game of chicken' seems to be on. 2nd amendment logic on a nuclear scale is spreading.

musicbob's avatar

""But then what's a treaty among friends or enemies these days"" ...ya, for sure.

Yeah, I wonder how seriously that treaty is really taken, these days, especially when the main combatant/instigator (Israel) is not a member of that treaty (maybe only one of like a very few that isn't) but is generally assumed to have nuclear weapons (like 90 to 150 maybe?) ...and almost assuredly with assistance from a treaty member(s).

David's avatar

The most powerful military in the world allied with the bankers and lawyers of the world. The capacity for evil is endless.

Roger's avatar

The point was raised today on Judge Nap's talk with Col Wilkerson. The Col's recommendation if Iran is attacked - destroy Israel completely first and foremost. So, if there is no Israel what would be the US position on retaliation?

The nukes Israel has complicates this scenario, but I suppose the Iranians, if they used massive strikes for an extended period, might be able to neutralize the threat.

Davina's avatar

Good idea re killing israel, but what about Palestinians surrounded by israel?

Roger's avatar

Yes, a big consideration.

Patrick Powers's avatar

They didn't mention the nuclear threat, which I found quite strange. It makes this strategy impractical.