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Diana van Eyk's avatar

How can we not write about what Israel is doing, and the way western governments are supporting Israel?

I can't understand how people don't know or care about this.

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John Day MD's avatar

I am the same way. We are all connected in life.

The illusion of separation, that we can do evil to others, and get good for ourselves, is the core delusion/sin.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

A lot of us write a lot about Israel because its colonial genocide in the slaughterhouse of Occupied Palestine ranks as one of the greatest crimes in history and given the lack of guts and will by our Governments or mainstream media to challenge it, there is no other choice but citizen journalism.

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Uaifo Ojo's avatar

It's how the world has just shrugged and accepted all of what the Zionazis have done as normal when just 2 years ago, most of what they have done would have been deemed as evil straight out of a horror book

When the world accepts evil as normal, then you know humanity truly is in shit at this moment and I swear to God, I don't know how the fuck we're gonna come out of this self made crisis of the world being turned on it's head

Observing the world in it's current state from where I'm at, humanity seems to have lost its damn mind completely

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Gnuneo's avatar

“Horror is the natural reaction to the last 5,000 years of history.”

― Robert Anton Wilson

“The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the political behavior of Western Civilization.”

― Robert Anton Wilson

“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”

― Robert Anton Wilson

From the '60s.

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Uaifo Ojo's avatar

Damn 😳

Those are the hardest hitting quotes I've ever read back to back like that, it packs quite a punch I tell ya

And to understand what they are saying, we seem to be the generation unfortunate enough to bear the ills of the last centuries and millenia spilling forth at the same time as we have all become interconnected via the internet and smartphones

The fuckery that will occur in the next couple of years will be such that history will never forget and will almost seem like fiction for the sheer depravity that humanity seems to have sunk to in its present state..

A toast to you all as we 'enjoy' the next couple of years, hang on tight, it's about to get bumpy to say the least 🥂

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Gnuneo's avatar

They all came from his books, and not a single book of his is a waste of time to read. 'Prometheus Rising' is a great starter.

More than anything else we are going to need wisdom in the next few years, I agree completely.

Curiously, in the early Net days his books and quotes were everywhere. Now, since the tech monopolies have taken over, they seem to have been airbrushed in favour of fuck-ups like Rand & Jordan Peterson - I can't imagine why.

But you can still find free PDFs lurking in the depths if you look hard enough, or even better a couple bucks on a secondhand paper edition and a free afternoon or two.

He's a curative for insanity, and the Western world is currently batshit insane, imo.

Cheers back to you too. xx

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Uaifo Ojo's avatar

I'll 'scrape' the internet as you have advised me to for his PDFs 😃

And yeah, the general public's heroes are flawed nowadays and the ones who speak truth are kept carefully away from the spotlight so as not to 'contaminate' the public with that most dreadful of illnesses... the ability to speak and live Truth always

The world is fucked IMO but if they can somehow turn it around and achieve True Change despite the odds, then I will be pleasantly surprised

Until then, we who know the Truth will just be patiently observing us all rush headlong into doom and wondering all the while at what point the collective will finally recognize their imminent demise.. if they ever will

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Gnuneo's avatar

You can easily find his books on torrents... and he died several years back :'( - so don't be too guilty about it.

I'm more in favour of Truth's down-to-Earth relative, Honesty.

If Truth exists, then it would require being omniscient to know them... but Honesty, ahh, Honesty we can all get to know and have a relationship with.

Sadly, too few even manage that, and all too many, especially in the meedja and powah circles, they prefer the malignant Dishonesty's company by choice.

And now nobody knows their arse from their elbow anymore. And we have to question even what seems to be the most simple observations.

Hopefully, this goes in cycles, and finally we're on an upswing. One can hope, anyway. ;)

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

I read a lot of books from times past. I find, as you suggest, they are more credible. People present facts, thoughts, insights without trying to sell themselves.

And they were still riding the powerful spiritual 'horse' which emerged in the 19th century. I read Prometheus Rising in the Eighties but will order another copy. Thanks.

I have read a lot of Jordan Peterson and found much useful but I know what you mean. His refusal to condemn Israel's genocide rather threw me but should not. I also know what you mean about Rand.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

We always were interconnected in a spiritual and cosmic sense. Our material interconnection reflects that and must make us understand the nature of reality.

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Uaifo Ojo's avatar

So sad that most people living at this current point in time seem to be living in fantasy and have no relationship whatsoever with reality

Social media has made the task of rescuing them from their dream state even more impossible seeing as people would rather believe a 'comfortable lie' than face the brutal honest reality

Things are currently shitty but I hope to God something sparks up a Renaissance of Spirit amongst Humanity as a whole cuz without that, we are fucking doomed

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Most people only understand that they need to climb back up when they reach the bottom of the barrel.

social media has many faults but it also allows people to debate and disseminate globally as we are doing now. Do not underestimate that power. Within the dregs, dross and rubbish on social media, there is gold to be found.

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Baz's avatar

Our contemporary industrialised world has been disproportionally influenced by the delusional mindset of the ‘American dream’ amplified of course by its addiction to consumer capitalism and its ‘military might’.

Man’s ways of war aren’t about to change anytime soon.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Well there are always cycles in life, individual, national and global with different forces at work and humans have to make choices.

Israel represents how far we have fallen and demands we take a stand for principles of justice, rule of law, democracy, human rights and common human decency.

As was true of the Germans, Israel is what we become if we do not abide by and defend such principles and demand they apply equally to everyone.

The debased and truly evil nature of Israeli society, culture and State must be a lesson to everyone.

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Sam's avatar

Exactly

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Val D. Phillips's avatar

One of your best, Caitlin. I'll stop writing about Israel when it ceases to exist. Until then, it will continue to commit ethnic cleansing and genocide. And, oh my God, the Israeli in Miami?!?! Of course it was in Florida. Is there something in the water?

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Spercepolnes's avatar

They've been doing it in the West Bank - one mob of Israelis seize a property - then later another mob of Israelis think the new inhabitants are Palestinian and shoot them to take the property - you couldn't make this stuff up.

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Megan Baker's avatar

I've not heard about this but I'm not at all surprised. It's not only bizarre but very telling that many Jewish and Palestinian Israelis could easily pass for each other. What the former are doing--selling the remaining tiny scraps of their souls for some land--must feel to one or two of them like trying to hold water in the hand. There's going to be a Judgement Day alright, but not the one many are expecting.

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Mitch Ritter's avatar

You can "make this stuff up." However, the outlandishness and calculated cruelties requires tethering it to reality with any or all of the paltry coverage it receives linked alongside for proper Media Crit scrutiny; not to mention Social Psychology study that a readership of "citizen journalism(ts)" as Roslyn Ross notes at the top calls for and indeed requires for communal processing.

Tio Mitchito

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CATHERINE's avatar

Them Israelis have been

COVID jabbed. A lot.

I think it has made them more psychotic and paranoid than usual. IMHO. ;)

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Val D. Phillips's avatar

I've been jabbed more times than I care to remember, and my sister-in-law more than me because of her job. We used to be empathetic and outraged at injustice, we still are.

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Guest's avatar

;)

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Bob - Enough's avatar

You may not be that far off the mark there. Almost everyone I know that had the / multiple Covid jabs, has changed beyond belief. I think the jabs hit their pituitary gland or even separate glands that make the hormones...

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CATHERINE's avatar

Autoimmune encephalitis.

Itty bitty blood clots in the brain.

Nasty people get nastier;

More mellow people become more passive.

IMHO. :)

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gypsy33's avatar

Bob, I’ve had the “jabs”, and I’m the same bitch I’ve always been 😁

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Bob - Enough's avatar

lol.

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gypsy33's avatar

Bob, maybe I just try too hard 😉

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Bob - Enough's avatar

Stay exactly what and who you are ...

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Jennifer Akdemir's avatar

:)))))

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Val D. Phillips's avatar

LOL. Maybe. But I lived under Israeli occupation in the 90s and I have to say I’ve watched a change that predates COVID. Lots of reasons for it I think. Maybe COVID is one.

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CATHERINE's avatar

The Evolution of Evil.

Day by day.

In real time.

Happy for you that you

escaped with your life. :)

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Sony Terra's avatar

Facts

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Eddie's avatar

Hate. It can't be chemicals at this point, just pure hate in the water.

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Megan Baker's avatar

Hate deliberately generated by the deeply sick and twisted education and socialization of Israeli Jews. It's been one of the failings of even the reporting critical of Israel since October 2023 that too little attention has been given this phenomenon, which vividly recalls that of the German people about Jews. (Look at the similarity of the language used, for instance.) Too seldom has the question been asked: "How does an entire nation find this cruelty and depravity so easy to inflict?" This is possibly the most important question we should be asking if we want to try to prevent such atrocities in the future. Miko Peled's sister does this but too few others have delved into it. This is a terrible mistake. I truly wish Alice Miller were still with us; her analysis would be the most valuable one of all.

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Majid Khoury's avatar

What’s nuts is that trump says if he’s assassinated it’s Iran …. Now if USA doesn’t go to war with Iran ,I do believe Mossad will do it just so they go to war against Iran who wants peace not war , now you know what’s nuts about all this is just that it could happen , Israel would do this period just to have a nation that’s bought and payed for …crazy is what we’re all about

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Netanyahu “gifted” Trump a pager. In a release about the gift, Netanyahu's office said the golden pager "symbolizes the Prime Minister’s decision that led to a turnaround in the war and the starting point for breaking the spirit" of Hezbollah.

"This strategic operation expresses the power, technological superiority and cunning of the State of Israel against its enemies," the statement added.

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Of course that’s some real twisted shit. The “strategic operation” was sheer indiscriminate terrorism that killed children and maimed thousands. But that’s what they do. Now it would be twisted on Trump’s part if he considered it a souvenir. I personally think it’s a sick threat not to become an “enemy.”

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JennyStokes's avatar

Trump should have handed the pager back. Any human with morals would have done this.

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Another WorldView Is Possible's avatar

It would probably be a good idea for Trump to get that entire "Golden Pager" and its stolen tree trunk based, that was taken from stolen land - scanned by the best and brightest, to make sure that it too wasn't filled with explosives or something even worse - and even then, to have it put into some remote warehouse location, just in case.

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Sony Terra's avatar

Newly (like this month) FOIAd documents reveal yitzak rabin (idf Intel at the time) was in Dallas the day Kennedy was shot, was supposed to be a weeks long trip, went home immediately.

Mossad killed Kennedy, they'll kill Trump too.

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CATHERINE's avatar

You sent me a very long string of unclickable coordinates.

My celphone does not do click+paste.

Please send me the nutshell version in text.

THX. :)

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Sony Terra's avatar

Please excuse my hurried nonsense. I was trying to link you to a 2013 Martin Sandler interview on C-SPAN highlighting a furious exchange between Kennedy and David Ben Gurion over Israel's cover nuclear weapons testing (Dimona 1958, wasn't verified by US Intel until early 60s) in which Kennedy threatened David Ben Gurion so severely it resulted in his resignation. Again, apologies. Here's a clickable link.

https://youtu.be/8qvmzEpSGEw?feature=shared

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CATHERINE's avatar

Thank you.

YouTube: If Americans Knew.

All the sordid dirt regarding the Palestine-Israel debacle.

Made me ill to watch the few that I did.

I have Jewish and Middle Eastern friends and relatives who never told me these things.

Horrible things.

The Israelis are horrible creatures.

As are their enablers.

Vicious, flaming, degenerate narcissists.

The country is infested with them.

The Inuit have a name for such beings.

They call them Kunlangeta.

They push them off the ice when no one is looking.

Thanks for the red pill.

Yick. ;)

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Sony Terra's avatar

Wishing you a relatively perfect finish to your week Catherine with this recent 7m snippet from if Americans knew. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbmKefeH6U&pp=QACIAgA%3D&rco=1

Godspeed.

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CATHERINE's avatar

I'm confused.

I thought Kennedy was pro-Israel.

Not sure why Mossad would murk a Kennedy. :|

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Majid Khoury's avatar

My dear JFK wanted to have Israel join the nuclear program for all countries that have that nuclear weapon and the making of it ,if they don’t then he would put AIPAC as a foreign agency , I believe Mossad took part with the CIA but Israel is in a way involved …. USA are Patsys. For Israel or else we would not be involved in this genocide against the Palestinians !

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Eichelhäher's avatar

That is indeed a misconception.

"On reflexion, I think the reason why Zionists go out of their way to present Kennedy as a friend of Israel is to conceal the most significant reversal of foreign policy that occurred after his assassination, because that reversal identifies the greatest beneficiary of the assassination."

https://www.unz.com/article/president-kennedys-assassination-was-a-zionist-coup/

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CATHERINE's avatar

I personally think that you get Bibi's jokes. ;)

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Guest's avatar

…and yours too! ;)

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Heather Connolly's avatar

To me, it’s like the Christians obsession with the cross. What makes them think golden crosses around their neck are something their lord and savior Jesus Christ would approve of? Would they wear golden pagers?

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tswarbrick's avatar

Your comment is a generalization of all Christians when it’s predominantly Catholics that wear the cross. Catholicism is pseudo Christianity based in pagan tradition. The cross is the Cross of Tammuz, a Babylonian sun-god. There’s a great deal of deception.

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CATHERINE's avatar

Catholicism is actually a sect of Judaism.

PROOF:

Remove a bishop's four corners origami hat.

Underneath is a yarmulke.

It's true.

I was Catholic before I gave it up for Lent.

I know things. ;)

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Heather Connolly's avatar

You haven’t spent much time in the United States of America if you think it’s only Catholics that wear crosses. Spend some time in the south, Christians wear crosses.

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CATHERINE's avatar

Pagers explode.

That's bad.

Stay away from pagers. :)

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Jennifer Akdemir's avatar

That's fascists for you. They LOVE war, it fits right in with the rest of their world domination programme.

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CATHERINE's avatar

Flawless.

Batshit crazy circular logic.

Yer good. :)

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Spercepolnes's avatar

"Now I read them and sigh and just sort of wilt inside."

Exactly as I do. But, just when you want to say "stuff it, I don't care anymore, let everyone go to hell in a handcart", basic morality & humanity kicks back in! It is just damn wrong, and will always be so, and you have to keep going. 60 odd years ago, I used to read books about nazi (and other) atrocities and think "how could people do that!" At 76, I'm still thinking the same thing - nothing has changed, just the perpetrators!

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wilson's avatar

I don't suppose you ever read about the atrocities that the largely jewish bolsheviks did in Russia?

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martin's avatar

that might be comparable to reading israeli reporting right after october 7.

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Susan T's avatar

It is odd how people right away think that children who were abused will grow up to be abusers but they cannot see that ongoing hate creates more hate and it goes on forever. Abused children can get therapy. What can people who have been the objects of hate, who have had everyone they love killed or seriously injured......how can they heal? How can they not hate? How can we not talk about this and write about it? How is it possible to pretend it is not happening? To not know that it will go on for generations until we stop it somehow. I would really like to not see it, but it is there. I refuse to pretend it is not.

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Guest's avatar

Palestinian perseverance is simply of the most admirable & amazing feats of human spirit ever.

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Sam's avatar

Unless you have been abused you don’t know how hard it is to break the cycle.

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Sony Terra's avatar

It's easy. Chose not to

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Susan T's avatar

It isn't easy. We can choose not to, but it is not easy and maybe not everyone is able to make that choice. We need to be compassionate toward those who continue to have a difficult time with their past and help them through it, not tell them it is "easy" so stop complaining. One of the things I have learned from my therapy is to understand my abuser and to have compassion for myself and others when we cannot immediately get to a better place.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Obviously Sony 'abuse' is not in your experience! Some people can get out of it BUT others do not. Palestinians will need an army of Psychologists.

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Sony Terra's avatar

I could tell you about my personal victimhood to abuse that would have you calling into work to see therapist by 9am and crying your eyes out until Friday. Being a victim to abuse IS my experience, not returning to others what I was put through is my choice. Full stop.

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Susan T's avatar

I too was seriously physically abused and I made that choice to not continue with it. I had a lot of therapy though that really helped me to understand what had happened to me. The thing about people who experience violence through having hatred directed at them by genocide or war is different, I think. I don't think therapy would work as well for people in that situation and I don't think it would be so easy to "choose" not to be abusive. It would be difficult, sometimes impossible not to hate the people who had murdered your family and friends before your eyes. By allowing this to happen, the people with the power to stop it are condemning future generations to hate and more killing and more hate and so the cycle continues. As it has done with the wars that have been happening for the past couple of centuries.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I, too, have never understood why some choose to emulate their abuser, outdo their abuser, while others look at what is being done to them, and say, and mean, "This is so ugly. I will never do that to anyone, under any circumstances." How is it that humans react so differently to the same stimuli?

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Susan T's avatar

Because we are not all the same. That is something to be celebrated.

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Megan Baker's avatar

The difference is something called the enlightened witness. If you had one you have a fighting chance to escape the worst outcomes. Those who didn't have one are more likely than not to continue the cycle of abuse. We need to stop chalking it up to "resilience" or some people somehow having better moral character or self-restraint than others; this is just blaming the victims(s). Alice Miller laid all this out very eloquently, to the point that anyone who hasn't read her who participates in this debate is doing so with one hand tied behind their back. I recommend starting with "The Drama of the Gifted Child."

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gypsy33's avatar

I was a victim of horrific abuse by my former SO. I used that experience to FIGHT against other abusers. It is just not tolerable for me.

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Megan Baker's avatar

Were you legally and emotionally dependent on your abuser, in the way all children are on their parents?

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Sony Terra's avatar

You're equating abuse with genocide, come on naw, really? Really? Are you that stupendous...? By your logic the Palestinians are going to be coming genocide at their earliest convenience. No it's the Zionist mothers who teach their children the world and everything in it is here for Zionist use, exploitation, destruction, waste, death, theft, and of course rape, and these beliefs, these GENERATIONAL ABUSES are what causes genocides, both by and against Zionism, not being victim to it. How many Armenians are coming genocide? How many South Africans? How many American fucking Indians?!?!?! Smfh

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Susan T's avatar

you still have a bit to learn. The zionist mothers? what about the fathers? what about the people in power? what about the schools? Maybe you still have some work to do. As do we all.

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Sony Terra's avatar

You're right.

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JennyStokes's avatar

There is PTSD. I am pretty sure it will take years for the Palestinians to not be looking over their shoulder each time they go out/or watching the sky. Of course this is a genocide but there is also abuse! Just look at how the Palestinian hostages who come back from the Zionist prisons!

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Sony Terra's avatar

Genocide is genocide. Abuse is abuse. A paper cut is a paper cut. Terminal cancer is terminal cancer. An artillery shell in proximity is an artillery shell in proximity. A strategic nuclear weapon detonation in proximity is... Do I need to continue? Just stop. Please. Just. Stop.

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Megan Baker's avatar

There's a big difference between child abuse and political violence. In fact, there's a difference between child abuse committed by caregivers versus non-caregivers. In the case of child abuse the greatest long-term damage comes from abuse by those a child is dependent upon. (See Jennifer Freed: "Betrayal Trauma: The Logic of Forgetting Childhood Abuse.") Violence committed in a political context is, of course, also deeply traumatizing, especially in childhood for obvious reasons. The difference is that, for adult victims, there is a capacity to maintain perspective on what happened, perspective that may enable reactions other than blind lashing out (though who could blame anyone for doing so? Not me.). In fact, there is a history of genocide victims going on to commit genocide themselves, though this is the exception. A topic for another time. What's happening in Palestine, of course, is to my mind unusually complex, incorporating as it does a web of geopolitical and global financial considerations, as well as a longstanding, profoundly racist and cruel socialization of Israelis matched only by that of the anti-Semitic indoctrination of Germans.

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Megan Baker's avatar

This is incredibly facile, aloof from reality, and completely unhelpful. Look into the compulsion to repeat and get yourself trauma-informed. I doubt you could get a single credible expert on trauma to validate "Chose not to," as wonderful as it would be if it were that simple.

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Susan T's avatar

Sometimes people do choose not to do what they see as useless or cruel. But it is not a given. It seems to me to be just that some people see things in a different light than others. My grandmother loved money. I didn't like that aspect of her because she seemed to me to like it above all else. Some in my family thought that was a positive aspect of her.

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Megan Baker's avatar

I don't want to start a debate about free will, which does exist, but before we can talk about all this knowledgeably it seems to me that we know to have a thorough understanding of trauma and the human capacity for repression of traumatic experiences. My mother was very materialistic, as it sounds like your grandmother was, but she used material objects to fill a hole opened up in her by her abusive parents. My mother had too little conscious awareness of her injuries, much less willingness to put the blame where it belonged, to understand why she had an unhealthy attachment to stuff. We want to have a debate without a complete understanding of how the mind deals with betrayal and abuse in childhood or of the details of the lives of those we hold up as proof. The concept of the enlightened witness is a good example of a principle that's key to understanding what people do with their trauma, yet few people I've spoken to are even aware of the concept. This is a big mistake.

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Susan T's avatar

I have read Alice Miller and got a lot out of what she said. But, even Miller, according to her daughter, was a difficult parent. Human nature is difficult to understand sometimes. Some think war is part of human nature. I do not agree. From observing babies, I think that humans want to love and be loved. Then we learn to compete and that we have to have more money, more stuff, more wins and that gets us into much difficulty. I think by "enlightened witness" you may mean that person who steps in and sees you in a different light than those who have been "guiding" you and that makes a huge difference. For me, that person was an elementary school teacher.

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Megan Baker's avatar

My experience is that Americans are deeply resistant to understanding that children who are abused are at high risk of growing up to also abuse. Most are much more into the Medical Model, which absolves the environment from most or any influence. We have millions of people on pharmaceuticals based on just such nonsense, and there's obviously a mountain of cash pushing against a more enlightened outlook. But you're right that many people are failing to appreciate how much justifiable hate is being generated amongst Palestinians by this genocide, though my guess is that Israel understands and appreciates it very much. If there's one thing the Israeli government concerns itself with, it's making sure it always has an enemy. The greatest tragedy in Netanyahu's mind (aside from being dethroned), I suspect, is running out of excuses (meager as they are) for killing and land theft. The Israeli state MUST have a steady stream of hatred directed at it, as well as actual anti-Semitism, so as to make it possible to do what is in its DNA: make war.

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Susan T's avatar

I agree with all of this except that I am not sure it is in the DNA because that would mean that change is impossible or highly unlikely. That may still be the case, but I do think that the people who make up the state of Israel could change. I know too many Jews who are anti war, anti genocide peace seeking people, some of whom have lived or grown up in Israel, to think that it could really be in their DNA.

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Lorna Paisley's avatar

The deal Trump wants with Russia and China on military spending is very foolish for China and Russia. Half of the US budget is still huge. Half of China and Russia's budget would leave them defenseless against the US.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Lorna Paisley, You are spot on. That's Trump the dishonest deal maker. I go half and you go half sound like a good idea! China and Russia have more brains than that.

Trump is treating the whole world like his reality show.

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

No! China has more brains than US and Russia put together.

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Peter Sawchuk's avatar

I wouldn't worry about it. For one thing the Russians and Chinese are not that gullible and for another thing I think the gargantuan budget of the U.S. arms production is unsustainable. They will soon have the whole country wallowing in poverty as their system collapses.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

I think more than 50% of American citizens are already living in poverty because of the military/medical/pharmaceutical industrial complex. The only thing preventing a revolution is the fake hope elicited by the current presidential clown show.

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Megan Baker's avatar

As delusional and stupid as the Trump Show is, Americans were every bit as deluded under Genocide Joe.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

The most delusional thing about the 'Biden' period was that people were actually saying things like: "Biden did this", "Biden did that", "Biden made a decision (to do such and such)" It was absolutely clear that Biden was incognito and certainly not capable of taking part in a cohesive, intelligent discussion.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

No disarmament treaties are ever based on expenditure. They are always based on stocks of weapons, and verified by mutual inspections.

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Sony Terra's avatar

Hey Lorna, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but as someone who keeps up on the latest military news, excluding the remote possibility the US having a series of secret weapons ( 'TicTacs' UAP/UFOs being domestic, tesseract transports, etc) I'm pretty sure we could not win a non-nuclear direct confrontation with China. Period. Even with a secret weapon or two, I actually think China is in a position, militarily to mop the Western Pacific with us with in any sustained conventional military exchange that in its entirety would result in losing every Pacific outpost we now control from Guam to Hawaii to the alusian Islands, perhaps even some West Coast though more likely in Alaska than San Diego. Why? Production capacity, and STEM - they have a single naval shipyard that out-produces our entire naval ship building capacity nationwide (which is how they tell us + china those tic-tacs ARE likely domestic lol), but they'll need much, much, much more than these. If I'm the billionaire class elite West - I'm waking up to a shot of burbon and then going right back to sleep because they have to know - The game is over. They're between a wall of China, and a hard place called pissed off, starving, betrayed, mob of Luigis!

Just my 2 cents. 😉

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

Unfortunately because substances like gold hold a material value the billionaires and trillionaires may lose all of their infrastructure but they will be able to hide with their precious metals and survive because people will always accept gold as payment for goods and services.

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JennyStokes's avatar

It wouldn't leave them defenseless at all. There is NO way China or Russia will ever do a deal with USA.

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Michael's avatar

Currency is a poor measure. Show me reductions in forces, bombs, guns. Then it’s apples to apples

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Dillon's avatar

To be an American politician you have to be part of the zionist cult.

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Essam Abbas's avatar

I’m happy people are finally waking up, better late than never.

Now we have a responsibility to educate and exterminate Zionism

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Feral Finster's avatar

Roll steady, don't let yourself be distracted.

A few years ago, you wrote about the genocide in Yemen, *because* that was the most pressing rights concern at that time. Now, it's Palestine.

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Another WorldView Is Possible's avatar

And GUESS WHO - was all on board with the Genocide in Yemen, as well..? Perhaps it explains why the Yemenis refuse to look the other way - as the same folks try to now Genocide all of the Palestinians, as well ...

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Sam's avatar

Bingo!

“ The only way to be safe from friendly fire as an Israeli is to be the white-skinned kind of Israeli whose family comes from Europe.”

Kudos for saying that.

Best quote of the year.

“ They’re like a man who pulled his head out of his ass, looked around, and then knowingly re-inserted it.”

Never stop exposing the stupidity of the Israel apologists.

Thanks, Caitlin.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Thanks Sam, For highlighting Caitlin's pithy, evocative one liners!

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

"I Write About Israel All The Time Because I Have To, Not Because I Want To"

...and thank God -- THANK GOD! -- that you do, stalwart truthteller Caitlin. History will treat you kindly....

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KHGUAN's avatar

Why is Trump admitting he is controlled by what looks like an unholy amalgamation of an urbanite (haphazardly) glamoured witch and a deranged stay-at-home Cat Lady whom probably knits mini-sweaters for her Lil' sweaties with deranged bible verses regarding the end times whilst simultaneously daydreaming

about creating sodom and gommorah in the middle east named Miriam Adelson? On that topic, why is Trump's cabinet filled with theocratically-insane, blatantly bible-thumping senators mixed with amoral billionnaire oligarchs? How the hell do these two paradoxes mix? I am no religious person, but this looks outright heretical risking of a witch-burning fate if their positions weren't that privilleged.

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Peter Sawchuk's avatar

On Judgement Day a lot of "Christians" are in for a huge shock. How could anyone who supports or perpetrates this genocide stand before God one day and justify this?

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CATHERINE's avatar

That is a very good question.

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martin's avatar

guess they'd just remind his godliness of the 7 plagues of egypt?

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KHGUAN's avatar

"Godliness" means having a higher kill-count than most polytheistic deities combined and even Satan himself ironically.

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CATHERINE's avatar

They are all flaming malignant narcissists.

Overt and covert.

They all say and do all the usual narcissistic things.

And attract their own kind and their flying monkeys.

Then they all shit the bed and eventually turn on each other.

Nasty demons.

Pass the popcorn.

Watch and observe. ;)

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Sony Terra's avatar

If we wait another year, it'll be "pass the corn, potatoes, stale bread", instead of 'the popcorn'. Times ticking folks.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

I also hope that all of the good people leave Israel, leaving the remaining psychopathic murderers to turn on each other. I wonder if the armaments shipments will continue as usual while that self destruction occurs?

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JennyStokes's avatar

IF there are any good people left in Israel? The ones still there are full Zionists.

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CATHERINE's avatar

Recent survey found that a mere 3% of Israelis were against the genocide.

And it was not for altruism.

Israel is infested with vicious, violent psychos.

And when Israel falls, they and their dual passports are gonna make a beeline to here.

Sharpen your spears.

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Megan Baker's avatar

You do have to wonder if Israelis fleeing their ship aren't going to encounter a lot of justifiable hate and isolation in their expat communities. Who would want these people for neighbors??

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CATHERINE's avatar

I attended school 25 years ago, alongside Israeli Jews.

They were like B-movie Nazis.

Only worse.

Because they were real.

Bizarre Hebrew accent.

Bragging about how they were Israeli army.

Arrogant and insufferable.

They were treating other white people like we were Arabs.

There were many many complaints about them.

They refused to stow their shit.

They were subsequently given their own segregated classrooms; one for the males, another one for the females.

Lovely people.

Just oozing bad vibes.

Out of every pore.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

I hope they would not want to settle amongst peaceful, intelligent Jewish people. Implanting rabid psychopaths into a friendly community cold cause irreparable damage.

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gypsy33's avatar

Don’t you DARE equivolate us Cat PEOPLE with the likes of that hideous bitch!

Why do you simpletons enjoy trashing cat lovers? Are you AFRAID of us because you think we have special powers? Cats are the preferred companions of artists, poets, writers, as well as psychics and mediums.

Well, maybe we CAN cast spells and curses! I placed a Gypsy curse on ByeDone and shit didn’t turn out so well for him, did it? Watch the fuck out!

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Richard Parker's avatar

We need more, not fewer, reports of the abuses of Israel, and the western support for genocide.

Anyone calling for less is feeling uncomfortable and finding it hard to deal with the cognitive dissonance of "being a nice person" (as we all tell ourselves) and the pain, death and destruction inflicted on the Palestinians that they voted and are paying for.

The western governments are democratically elected to represent the electorate, act in their interests and adhere to and promote "western values".

Actually I am convinced the real western values and like minds are all essentially white supremacists and believe in white domination.

Never believe anything the west says. In this case the Trump Arm Reduction deal. Russia and China are surrounded by US bases and have US warships wandering around close to their seaways.

Trump should unilaterally close and destroy all of the hundreds of bases around China and in particular pull out of South Korea, Japan and the Philippines.

I was asked a couple of days ago by a German if Russia was going to invade Germany. I burst out laughing. Had he looked at a map of Europe recently? Russia is not exactly on Russia's borders and anyway, what resources does Germany have that Russia would want?

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

We have American military bases here in Australia that assist them in their raping and pillaging of the world.

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Richard Parker's avatar

And are buying submarines at a cost of $15,000 for every man, woman and child.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

As far as I am aware the wasting of $386 billion on those subs is one of the most obscene abuses perpetrated by the Australian government upon the people of Australia. Imagine if that amount was spent on necessary infrastructure rather than donated to the shareholders of the military industrial complex.

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Richard Parker's avatar

A chunk then gets fed back into the political parties. Trump received 1.1 Billion dollars to get elected. Clearly those donors will expect a few favours, such as the odd war or two and some coercion to pursuade governments such as Australia to buy stuff.

Delivery is in 15 years, I believe. By which time they'll be utterly redundant. China, the world's biggest manufacturer and supply of STEM students by far, will have undetectable underwater drones capable of cruising around, identifying and destroying the subs.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

They are redundant now in my opinion. Australia does not need offensive subs like that. If the money absolutely had to be spent on our Navy it could have been used to build 150 vessels to patrol Australian waters which is what our navy is supposed to be doing. I am certain that the high command of the navy would have preferred that rather than having their personnel shoved into submarines to be used by the USA to take part in a provocation of China.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

"I am convinced the real western values and like minds are all essentially white supremacists and believe in white domination" Just add in "male" between "white" and "domination," and you'd be spot-on.

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Richard Parker's avatar

Well, I think you are probably correct in assuming that on the whole men prefer to have women that are not dominant.

That's a discussion which I would have to navigate carefully. In particular why women tend to go along with it and not challenge the status quo.

However, if I look at white females and in particular US women. They are mostly US supremacists and consider other races to be inferior. In comes across in the body language and how they speak.

I've seen the white immigrants in Latin America (they call themselves "expats", and get very agitated when I have pointed out that they are immigrants), they consider themselves to be superior to the Mexicans, Costa Ricans or Panamanians.

So there are two separate issues here, white supremacy over the globe, and among the whites the roles of the male and females.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

On the whole, Australians in Indonesia, particularly Bali have a similar attitude. Many of them think the locals are stupid because they cannot speak English.

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Richard Parker's avatar

I travelled through Indonesia last year. Kuta was full of ghastly bogans. I won't be planning another trip.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

We actually need more Australians to travel throughout Indonesia as you did. This encourages friendship and understanding between our two cultures. What has happened at Kuta is unfortunate and we don't want the Indonesian perspective on Australian people to be based on the behaviour of Australians in Kuta. Our drunken, drug affected and semi-naked nightclubbing culture is offensive to most Indonesians and the people who do that are not the slightest bit interested in Indonesian culture.

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Megan Baker's avatar

Russia is not exactly on Germany's borders.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Israel is a Terrorist State that needs to be canceled.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Absolutely BUT where do these people go?

They have to go through some DEEP intelligent de-programming before they are let loose.

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Step O'Rafferty's avatar

They could form the first colony on Mars. It will be a few hundred years before they build the capability to destroy Earth from that distance.

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Ron Hollis's avatar

Trump Suggests Cutting Military Budget in Half

👉🏿 This nothing more than political posturing by Trump, a Military Industrial Complex tool, owned, bought and paid for. If he really wanted to do something for ending weapons abroad he would Act Now to Stop the $7.4 BILLION in U.S. Weapons going to the Israeli gov’t.

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