Zero is enough! I’ve had enough of Israel, US, Britain, France, etc. blood thirsty murderous actions toward the Palestinians and other Arabs. I’m totally ashamed of the USA.
Israel's rep to the UN said yesterday, "The UN is failing, and you, Mr. Secretary-General, have lost all morality and impartiality. Because when you say those terrible words that these heinous attacks did not happen in a vacuum, you are tolerating terrorism, and I think that the Secretary-General must resign."
They've enjoyed decades of the world's tolerance -- but these people are, openly, shamelessly, certifiably, fucking nuts. It is *not sane* for a nation's leading "diplomat" to a world body to publicly deny the very principle of cause-and-effect, on the psychology of whole populations. Does the prime representative from Israel not know the history of the Jews? Every one else does, it's been hammered into us non-stop for decades!
Either that, or he has the chutzpah to think that not only the hoi polloi, but *all* their representatives in power, are, or will remain, so stone-stupid or twisted scared that they will continue to submit to anything. But "you can't fool all of the people, all of the time", and at some point, people have nothing important to lose any more. You can kill us off one by one, but in turn you breed ten times as many who will speak truth to power, and worse. That's how we got here, after all. Duh.
So, sadly, the resolution of this conflict will not go smoothly. World, buckle up.
So well said, thank you! These people are nuts (not really, they are drunk with their power and they know they can get away with it). The UN is in bad shape, but it is the best we have and Mr Guterres does the BEST he can do - all the GenSec's are hampered (I read Mr Boutros-Ghalis book and liked it very much) and attacked for whatever they try do say or do and in addition don't have much power ... I hope HE STAYS STRONG
And so the pushback begins, in places where it really matters...
UN Secretary-General Guterres: "I am shocked by the misrepresentations by some of my statement ... as if I was justifying acts of terror by Hamas. This is false. It was the opposite ..."
Ok, we know he's about as shocked as Captain Renault, but here he's SAYING it.
and also Norman Finkelstein, Edward Said, Gideon Levy, Dr. Alice Rothchild, Noam Chomsky. Prof. Sam Vadnin.
This is ethnic cleansing. The decades long festering infection that is Gaza erupted into a boil that burst. It's an assault on everything Israel stands for and unbelievably humiliating.
There have been many smaller events like this that gave Israel the excuse to further eliminate the Indigenous population they uprooted in '48, destroying nearly all the Palestinian villages and then the urban area.
Don't expect the Israeli's to respond to criticism with anything other than righteous fury.
They are entitled to destroy these inferior people who are even less than animals.
Israel is not a democarcy, it is a colonial apartheid.
Everyone needs to know that the reason the Criminal Elite are there (Bidens war machine) aside from being bought and paid for is the fact there is one of the largest (if not the largest) gas deposits in the world on Gaza/Palestinian land!
Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza
An Israeli think tank with ties to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a report on October 17 promoting the "unique and rare opportunity" for the “relocation and final settlement of the entire Gaza population.”
I thought and still do that Netanyahu knew of Hamas's intentions, let it happen, since it was to be seized upon as an opportunity to ethnically cleanse Gaza. I can't prove it, but Israel has been brutal in it's many attacks on Gaza over the years and I think Israel was ready to implement it's final solution.. I find it loathsome that both sides of the political isle in the states knowing of the carnage simply lend justification to all the deaths, all the destruction that Israel is implementing. What has been happening in the West Bank also lends credence to what I believe to be true. Pro-Israeli propaganda has put people on the side of Israel, and perhaps even more significant is our many wars, that killed and displaced millions of Muslims with little if any condemnation from the mainstream media and with no objecting voices in government.
I think I should read more about Hamas and how it came into being. I have read that Netanyahu and Hamas have a lot in common, no two state solution, which always seemed odd to me.
I thought they let it happen from the beginning and they are now intent on using it as an opportunity to erase Gaza. I find this incredibly depressing. No doubt by now some 3000 or more children are dead. They shut down criticism of their brutality by relying on their own victimization in the past and throwing around the anti-Semitic line. Someone who has been victimized if anything should learn to be more compassionate.
I have absolutely no doubt that Israel will use this as an opportunity to wipe Palestine off the map. I think with Biden in the White House, the neocons fully in charge, and willing to use Ukrainian lives in the hundreds of thousands with no public outcry no backlash to take Russia down they have found their perfect time.
Neocons such as Victoria F the EU Nuland served as Cheney's advisor on the Bush admin only to flip flow to the Obama admin to the present one with the mentally handicapped Biden.
They have all their players in all the right places - we've been sold out.
The fact that there would be coordination at the tactical beginning of the current struggle does not preclude the divergence of purpose once it is underway. This is the "problem" with arming resistance fighters, they actually do have their own minds and objectives.
This seems like Sarajevo 1914. "Everybody had a plan until they got punched in the face", as per philosopher, Mike Tyson.
Here from one of the Hamas hostages who was released (from my Redacted newsletter) Meanwhile, Hamas released two hostages and in the footage, an elderly lady being released shakes a Hamas fighter’s hand and says, “peace.” She was later quoted by Gaza media as saying this: “Al-Qassam fighters treated us humanely and did not kill any civilians, but it was the Israeli occupation army that killed Israeli civilians during the clash with fighters from Gaza.” This is known as "The Hannibal Directive" meant for the military but it obviously goes beyond that! I have seen other hostages say the exact same thing.
Read it. Disturbing. Just as with covid panic and Ukraine scare, once an (evil, crazy, corrupt...) idea gets root into the minds of the (sorry to say) stupid masses, a momentum is created and history will unfold in a very undesirable direction. And later on people will look back and wonder "how was this possible?" Sometimes that momentum tilts to a more favourite side: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWIbCtz_Xwk
None too dissimilar to Europe, Imperial Britain and The Settler American's destructions of the "inferior races" across all continents.
The fundamental underpinning of their Foreign Policy, sometimes Domestic Policy, is Racism, entirely indispensable in assuaging the guilt that might otherwise wash over the cultivated, read a well indoctrinated domestic public.
There is nothing incidental in numerous media and political class members within The West characterizing the present object of contempt as sub-human. It creates the psychological framework within which subsequent events are to be interpreted.
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As for "How much killing is enough killing?", with two US Carrier Strike Groups nearby and with firepower out of proportion to any present requirement for this conflict, the real target and of long standing by both Washington and Tel Aviv appears to be Iran.
Whether they can be drawn into being as one would catagorize as a co-belligerent remains to be seen.
We've been subject to dehumanizing war language for years in the U.S. It's been ongoing against conservatives ever since Trump first walked down the stairs. But this animation is possible because nearly all people, including members of any and all opposed sides, believe that they can possess unimpeachable factual and moral truths vs others. But that's an illusion.
I'm a Leftist, and have lost hope in the current age of humanity treating itself with sufficient respect to conduct a democracy. It appears the only solution is to recognize that all truths, positive and normative, are ultimately inaccessible, because all humans are both imperfect and limited. Literally *any* truth can, at some point, become re-recognized as false. Therefore, truth is possessable by no human. In other words -- it's all belief.
That's how we can regain the humility that painstakingly brought us the fruit of modern science and democracy over the last several hundred years.
Taking into account how wildly unpopular most western politicians and their policies are with their respective publics, "democracy" as it is practiced is basically a cover for rulers to do what they want. The technical term for this is a "beard".
After all, your elected representatives approved this. If you don't like it, you can vote for a different carefully vetted corporate imperialist muppet, so until then, shut up and fall in line!
Except you can also kick up a fuss in the streets. It’s fun and surprisingly invigorating! There’s an AROC sponsored uprising in SF this week. Check it out.
"'[D]emocracy' as it is practiced is basically a cover for rulers to do what they want. The technical term for this is a 'beard'"
Fair enough. "'[D]emocracy" as it is practiced" is still under evolution. That's the part I'd say the Woke, in their own limited way, buried under a thicket of crazy twists, is getting right. I have faith that a healthy majority of humans is cognitively capable of understanding nearly all the things we talk about here, IF they would only be well-guided. For example, that's how, in the late 20th century, the majority came to believe strongly in free speech.
It will definitely not be just Iran and Hezbollah in this. It will be all including Saudi Arabia! The Turkish will be nuclear capable as Pakistan has vowed to provide them nukes if they are attacked. Russia will get in this to protect Iran. This will be a World War. I think these Mass Murdering Sociopaths want this since they want an all out war with Russia and since Ukraine failed this is another way to get it. This idiot brain dead Biden and his entire administration want a war with China also so here we go. People here in the US seem to be just as brain dead and to lazy to search for the truth.
What is not known is what is not in the public domain.
A hypothesis that the Washington and Tel Aviv leaderships are looking to this situation to draw Iran in, based on clear statements from both that Iran is an existential threat to - just about everyone. Doubtful that Iranian Leadership wants a direct conflict.
The reliance on air cover when US and Israeli Forces "face difficulties" is noted.
The preparedness of Russian - Chechen Forces to clear out the Eastern Ukrainian Cities of embedded NATO trained AFU - AZOV Forces accounted for their loss levels back then.
Winning over the population was an objective. That does not apply here.
The former are just not prepared to take the battlefield losses that stem from Street Warfare and what is sought from them, the real reason one suspects for the delayed attack. The Armed Forces of the advanced Western economies, so-called, are soft.
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Just as predictions of a short Ukrainian Proxy War on Russia went south, this conflict may well and can last for months.
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Just what we be done with the vast number of weapons smuggled out of The Ukraine is ahead of us, especially in Europe.
There will never be enough death perpetrated by Israel on Palestinians until Israel has killed all the Palestinians and taken over what ever land it wants. Israel is supported by the US which does the same wherever it decides an enemy exists (even if it is a fictional enemy, invented by the US, as somewhere with some people the US has decided are an enemy. It’s a very odd mentality and just plain paranoid). The UK does the same: it hides behind the US and pops its head out and shouts “yeah, you’re our enemy, too” before popping back, hiding behind the US. It’s called the‘special relationship’. This is where the UK supports everything the US wants, having had US support during WW2 and for which the UK paid the US huge sums over many decades.
I see the UK government has agreed with Israel and the US that the hospital bomb was self-inflicted, based on its own intelligence: what a surprise! Is this the same intelligence Israel and the US used, by any chance?
I also see Israel has demanded the UN Secretary General stand down for being antisemitic because he called on Israel to allow aid to enter Gaza. That’s an interesting conflation and what Israel and Jews do all the time.
Netanyahu has been very unpopular at home: presumably not any more.
One small aside: as I was typing this, my predictive text suggested ‘dementia’ when I started typing ‘demanded’ a few lines up from here....
I think from what I have read lately the Israeli people on the whole (not the Orthodox Jews) would like Netanyahu to step down. Before all this happened Israelis were in the streets protesting his govt.
Dementia, indeed. The device you were using was grappling with the nature of the subject at hand. I’m surprised it didn’t try and pop in ‘demonic’ when Netanyahu entered the conversation. He was becoming increasingly unpopular at home before October 7ths atrocities. He may yet face charges of a criminal nature, war crimes aside. The blatant manner in which Israeli air strikes have flouted international law, totally ignoring the mealy mouthed calls from Biden, Macron, et al, and meeting any UN utterings with outright scorn, leads me to believe that they know they will have nobody to answer to, when the final body count is in. The US won’t even use the words ‘cease fire’, in any statements, while using ‘right to defend itself’ in a way that reminds me of the WMD mantra of the Bush admin. Then, as now, the media is merely parroting the parties lines.
That's such a laugh! Look at that evil bitches face in her original response! You could even see her disdain of the guy who was asking her such questions which she apparently thought should never be asked!
Apparently you haven’t heard. Israel intends to level Gaza so that it doesn’t have to deal with this pesky Palestinian problem any more. Shooting unarmed protesters for the last decade has worn out the “moral army” and now they’ve just run out of patience for these “animals” So, kaboom goes Gaza until there are no more Palestinians in Palestine
The really worrisome part of this is that after atrocities in Afghanistan, and Ukraine the killing field is now Gaza. It appears for the lunatics in Tel Aviv and Washington there can never be enough killing and it is the only "diplomatic" skill they have. It appears the only salvation is the barbarians exhaust themselves, when and where we do not know
Diplomacy has been destroyed in the West as it impedes corporate wars for corporate profits . In Russia and China and other countries it is very much alive as they are committed to peace not war. War is a denial of diplomacy which is just what happened with the war in Ukraine. Russia sought a diplomatic solution but NATO insisted on War as that is the business it is in, as are all Western politicians bum boys to Washington's imperialist wars.
NATO is a clear and ever present danger as its sole purpose to wage war, and this is why it must be disbanded as it it should have been in 1991 when the USSR collapsed.
‘French President Emmanuel Macron was in Israel on Tuesday and said the US-led anti-ISIS coalition based in Iraq and Syria should also fight Hamas.
“France is ready for the coalition, which is fighting in Iraq and Syria against ISIS, to also fight against Hamas,” Macron said alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.’
In the Levant - that's been out for a while and that the Israeli's have absolutely no intention of sharing what rightfully belongs to the People of Palestine.
Have you read the reports about Genie oil in the Southern Golan?
It's on pauze however the quantities are rumored to equally significant.
When it comes to the profit making of the American weapons industry, there can never be enough killing.
He a recent column entitled "Let Them Eat Cement" former NYTimes Middle East Bureau chief reported:
Dear, Sen. Baldwin:
I wanted to share with you important information regarding the Gaza situation. In a recent column by Chris Hedges, former NYTime bureau chief for the Middle East reports:
“The Israeli army mobilized Ezra Yachin, a 95-year-old army veteran, to “motivate” the troops. Yachin was a member of the Lehi Zionist militia that carried out numerous massacres of Palestinian civilians, including the Deir Yassin massacre on April 9, 1948, where over 100 Palestinian civilians, many women and children, were slaughtered.
"’Be triumphant and finish them off and don’t leave anyone behind. Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, mothers and children. These animals can no longer live. Every Jew with a weapon should go out and kill them. If you have an Arab neighbor, don’t wait, go to his home and shoot him.’”
This is not some old guy at the end of the bar ranting. This man was brought in by the Israeli government to motivate Israeli troops. To tell them what to do. What is happening in Gaza is ethnic cleansing and genocide and it is being done with US intelligence, military planning assistance, weaponry and tax dollars. The United States is actively participating in ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Clarification, my note was part of a letter to Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) and got included. Hedges was not writing Baldwin. I goofed up and can't figure out how to edit my original comment. Sorry.
There is an interesting comparison here... in the 1930's Hitler's 3rd Reich was dedicated to eliminating the Jewish community in that part of the world. When this came fully into after WW2 this reign of terror was universally condemned as a holocaust, and this of course led to the establishment of current day Israel.. so please can someone explain to me how the current treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli's is any different from that brought on the Jews in Europe by Hitler?
Except that the Zionist attempt to steal Palestine for a Jewish homeland began in the late 1800’s and was very big in 1917, long before Hitler. Plus, Zionism was one of the charges Hitler made against European Jews to justify his grotesque “Final Solution” in the 30’s.
“Cultures that do not recognize that human life and the natural world have a sacred dimension, an intrinsic value beyond monetary value, cannibalize themselves until they die. They ruthlessly exploit the natural world and the members of their society in the name of progress until exhaustion or collapse, blind to the fury of their own self-destruction.”
They have no conscience. It's all smoke and mirrors. They don't even care about their own people when it comes to fulfilling an objective. Who really knows what this one is. Mostly they bay for blood!
Zero is enough! I’ve had enough of Israel, US, Britain, France, etc. blood thirsty murderous actions toward the Palestinians and other Arabs. I’m totally ashamed of the USA.
Israel's rep to the UN said yesterday, "The UN is failing, and you, Mr. Secretary-General, have lost all morality and impartiality. Because when you say those terrible words that these heinous attacks did not happen in a vacuum, you are tolerating terrorism, and I think that the Secretary-General must resign."
They've enjoyed decades of the world's tolerance -- but these people are, openly, shamelessly, certifiably, fucking nuts. It is *not sane* for a nation's leading "diplomat" to a world body to publicly deny the very principle of cause-and-effect, on the psychology of whole populations. Does the prime representative from Israel not know the history of the Jews? Every one else does, it's been hammered into us non-stop for decades!
Either that, or he has the chutzpah to think that not only the hoi polloi, but *all* their representatives in power, are, or will remain, so stone-stupid or twisted scared that they will continue to submit to anything. But "you can't fool all of the people, all of the time", and at some point, people have nothing important to lose any more. You can kill us off one by one, but in turn you breed ten times as many who will speak truth to power, and worse. That's how we got here, after all. Duh.
So, sadly, the resolution of this conflict will not go smoothly. World, buckle up.
Exactly what is expected:
Anti-semitism!! The holocaust!!
They've worn out these excuses for really bad behavior.
So well said, thank you! These people are nuts (not really, they are drunk with their power and they know they can get away with it). The UN is in bad shape, but it is the best we have and Mr Guterres does the BEST he can do - all the GenSec's are hampered (I read Mr Boutros-Ghalis book and liked it very much) and attacked for whatever they try do say or do and in addition don't have much power ... I hope HE STAYS STRONG
Thank you. Yes, many of us are reaching that point where something snaps in us. I agree, they must maintain their resoluteness.
"... something snaps in us ..."
It's the now well-known [ provocation -> reaction -> blame-the-reactor, hide-the-provocation ] method. Russians, Gazans, ...
And so the pushback begins, in places where it really matters...
UN Secretary-General Guterres: "I am shocked by the misrepresentations by some of my statement ... as if I was justifying acts of terror by Hamas. This is false. It was the opposite ..."
Ok, we know he's about as shocked as Captain Renault, but here he's SAYING it.
When Biden said he stood with Israel, it made me furious. Then I started to do research and,Oh BOY, what I learned.
No, there will never be enough killing. Israel is not going after just Hamas, they are going after the population.
I highly recommend watching on youtube: Ilan Pappe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipT1dHU1ya4
and also Norman Finkelstein, Edward Said, Gideon Levy, Dr. Alice Rothchild, Noam Chomsky. Prof. Sam Vadnin.
This is ethnic cleansing. The decades long festering infection that is Gaza erupted into a boil that burst. It's an assault on everything Israel stands for and unbelievably humiliating.
There have been many smaller events like this that gave Israel the excuse to further eliminate the Indigenous population they uprooted in '48, destroying nearly all the Palestinian villages and then the urban area.
Don't expect the Israeli's to respond to criticism with anything other than righteous fury.
They are entitled to destroy these inferior people who are even less than animals.
Israel is not a democarcy, it is a colonial apartheid.
Everyone needs to know that the reason the Criminal Elite are there (Bidens war machine) aside from being bought and paid for is the fact there is one of the largest (if not the largest) gas deposits in the world on Gaza/Palestinian land!
Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza
An Israeli think tank with ties to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a report on October 17 promoting the "unique and rare opportunity" for the “relocation and final settlement of the entire Gaza population.”
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/
I thought and still do that Netanyahu knew of Hamas's intentions, let it happen, since it was to be seized upon as an opportunity to ethnically cleanse Gaza. I can't prove it, but Israel has been brutal in it's many attacks on Gaza over the years and I think Israel was ready to implement it's final solution.. I find it loathsome that both sides of the political isle in the states knowing of the carnage simply lend justification to all the deaths, all the destruction that Israel is implementing. What has been happening in the West Bank also lends credence to what I believe to be true. Pro-Israeli propaganda has put people on the side of Israel, and perhaps even more significant is our many wars, that killed and displaced millions of Muslims with little if any condemnation from the mainstream media and with no objecting voices in government.
Hamas was a creation of mossad for the purpose of doing exactly what they are doing now.
It would not be the first time that such sorcerer's apprentice games backfired.
I think I should read more about Hamas and how it came into being. I have read that Netanyahu and Hamas have a lot in common, no two state solution, which always seemed odd to me.
There's loads of well sourced information up on www.globalresearch.ca
I'd start with the recent Tremblay article.
I thought they let it happen from the beginning and they are now intent on using it as an opportunity to erase Gaza. I find this incredibly depressing. No doubt by now some 3000 or more children are dead. They shut down criticism of their brutality by relying on their own victimization in the past and throwing around the anti-Semitic line. Someone who has been victimized if anything should learn to be more compassionate.
Here you are....read or watch - ''Is the Gaza-Israel Fighting “A False Flag”? They Let it Happen? Their Objective Is “to Wipe Gaza Off the Map”? https://www.globalresearch.ca/is-the-gaza-israel-fighting-a-false-flag-they-let-it-happen-their-objective-is-to-wipe-gaza-off-the-map/5835310
I have absolutely no doubt that Israel will use this as an opportunity to wipe Palestine off the map. I think with Biden in the White House, the neocons fully in charge, and willing to use Ukrainian lives in the hundreds of thousands with no public outcry no backlash to take Russia down they have found their perfect time.
Neocons such as Victoria F the EU Nuland served as Cheney's advisor on the Bush admin only to flip flow to the Obama admin to the present one with the mentally handicapped Biden.
They have all their players in all the right places - we've been sold out.
Yes I agree.
Nope. They're doing exactly as told. A general is iof stated it's an inside job.
Mohammed Deif, the military commander of Hamas forces, has a mind of his own, multiple injuries from Israeli bombs, and a dead family from Israeli bombs. He seems to be a capable and sincere military commander. https://news.sky.com/story/who-is-mohammed-deif-the-shadowy-hamas-commander-known-as-the-guest-12981449#:~:text=Mohammed%20Deif%2C%20the%20commander%20of,each%20night%20to%20avoid%20detection.
The fact that there would be coordination at the tactical beginning of the current struggle does not preclude the divergence of purpose once it is underway. This is the "problem" with arming resistance fighters, they actually do have their own minds and objectives.
This seems like Sarajevo 1914. "Everybody had a plan until they got punched in the face", as per philosopher, Mike Tyson.
On the subject…
https://youtu.be/CdDXWYkfQMQ?si=qLu9rn_B6DBoQQdu
Agreed that there was coordination at the outset, but then Hamas Commander, Mohammed Deif had more in his pocket than the IDF bargained for.
Here from one of the Hamas hostages who was released (from my Redacted newsletter) Meanwhile, Hamas released two hostages and in the footage, an elderly lady being released shakes a Hamas fighter’s hand and says, “peace.” She was later quoted by Gaza media as saying this: “Al-Qassam fighters treated us humanely and did not kill any civilians, but it was the Israeli occupation army that killed Israeli civilians during the clash with fighters from Gaza.” This is known as "The Hannibal Directive" meant for the military but it obviously goes beyond that! I have seen other hostages say the exact same thing.
That silence lends credence to rumors about Jeffrey Epstein's blackmail are true.
That blackmail seems to extend to RFK Jr.
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/bobby-kennedy-israel-and-the-hypocrisy
AKA the final solution
Read it. Disturbing. Just as with covid panic and Ukraine scare, once an (evil, crazy, corrupt...) idea gets root into the minds of the (sorry to say) stupid masses, a momentum is created and history will unfold in a very undesirable direction. And later on people will look back and wonder "how was this possible?" Sometimes that momentum tilts to a more favourite side: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWIbCtz_Xwk
shockingly credible ....Israeli's are so clever. but, not very nice.
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None too dissimilar to Europe, Imperial Britain and The Settler American's destructions of the "inferior races" across all continents.
The fundamental underpinning of their Foreign Policy, sometimes Domestic Policy, is Racism, entirely indispensable in assuaging the guilt that might otherwise wash over the cultivated, read a well indoctrinated domestic public.
There is nothing incidental in numerous media and political class members within The West characterizing the present object of contempt as sub-human. It creates the psychological framework within which subsequent events are to be interpreted.
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As for "How much killing is enough killing?", with two US Carrier Strike Groups nearby and with firepower out of proportion to any present requirement for this conflict, the real target and of long standing by both Washington and Tel Aviv appears to be Iran.
Whether they can be drawn into being as one would catagorize as a co-belligerent remains to be seen.
We've been subject to dehumanizing war language for years in the U.S. It's been ongoing against conservatives ever since Trump first walked down the stairs. But this animation is possible because nearly all people, including members of any and all opposed sides, believe that they can possess unimpeachable factual and moral truths vs others. But that's an illusion.
I'm a Leftist, and have lost hope in the current age of humanity treating itself with sufficient respect to conduct a democracy. It appears the only solution is to recognize that all truths, positive and normative, are ultimately inaccessible, because all humans are both imperfect and limited. Literally *any* truth can, at some point, become re-recognized as false. Therefore, truth is possessable by no human. In other words -- it's all belief.
That's how we can regain the humility that painstakingly brought us the fruit of modern science and democracy over the last several hundred years.
Taking into account how wildly unpopular most western politicians and their policies are with their respective publics, "democracy" as it is practiced is basically a cover for rulers to do what they want. The technical term for this is a "beard".
After all, your elected representatives approved this. If you don't like it, you can vote for a different carefully vetted corporate imperialist muppet, so until then, shut up and fall in line!
Except you can also kick up a fuss in the streets. It’s fun and surprisingly invigorating! There’s an AROC sponsored uprising in SF this week. Check it out.
You can. Your elected representatives could not care less.
There was, at one time, a fear (even while holding contempt) of the electorate. That fear is now gone.
"'[D]emocracy' as it is practiced is basically a cover for rulers to do what they want. The technical term for this is a 'beard'"
Fair enough. "'[D]emocracy" as it is practiced" is still under evolution. That's the part I'd say the Woke, in their own limited way, buried under a thicket of crazy twists, is getting right. I have faith that a healthy majority of humans is cognitively capable of understanding nearly all the things we talk about here, IF they would only be well-guided. For example, that's how, in the late 20th century, the majority came to believe strongly in free speech.
Interesting remarks but no.
The Elite Ivy School Class control the inner sanctums of government and the mainstream narratives.
Other agencies figure prominently and mostly below the line of vision.
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All these factors and the others examined in depth here . . . https://les7eb.substack.com
Free to subscribe, always and free to reuse with attribution.
Likely, with the best on intentions, this will change you.
Well, if you can't even summarize it here enough to entice me, it's not worth my time. That much I've certainly learned in life.
It will definitely not be just Iran and Hezbollah in this. It will be all including Saudi Arabia! The Turkish will be nuclear capable as Pakistan has vowed to provide them nukes if they are attacked. Russia will get in this to protect Iran. This will be a World War. I think these Mass Murdering Sociopaths want this since they want an all out war with Russia and since Ukraine failed this is another way to get it. This idiot brain dead Biden and his entire administration want a war with China also so here we go. People here in the US seem to be just as brain dead and to lazy to search for the truth.
I agree completely.
A hypothesis E.C.
What is not known is what is not in the public domain.
A hypothesis that the Washington and Tel Aviv leaderships are looking to this situation to draw Iran in, based on clear statements from both that Iran is an existential threat to - just about everyone. Doubtful that Iranian Leadership wants a direct conflict.
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Meanwhile, the background to these matters and other matters examine here . . . https://les7eb.substack.com
Free to subscribe, always.
There you go.
I hate to admit it but I know who you are talking about! Hah!
You may be proved right.
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The reliance on air cover when US and Israeli Forces "face difficulties" is noted.
The preparedness of Russian - Chechen Forces to clear out the Eastern Ukrainian Cities of embedded NATO trained AFU - AZOV Forces accounted for their loss levels back then.
Winning over the population was an objective. That does not apply here.
The former are just not prepared to take the battlefield losses that stem from Street Warfare and what is sought from them, the real reason one suspects for the delayed attack. The Armed Forces of the advanced Western economies, so-called, are soft.
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Just as predictions of a short Ukrainian Proxy War on Russia went south, this conflict may well and can last for months.
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Just what we be done with the vast number of weapons smuggled out of The Ukraine is ahead of us, especially in Europe.
Examined in one prior Substack essay . . . https://les7eb.substack.com
" this conflict may well and can last for months" I am not so sure . . . ".
Time will tell. I doubt any Drama Queen maneuvers by The Usual Suspects.
The answer is ALL Palestinians. That’s what Israel wants, and that’s what the West help them achieve. Fuck. The. Consequences.
There will never be enough death perpetrated by Israel on Palestinians until Israel has killed all the Palestinians and taken over what ever land it wants. Israel is supported by the US which does the same wherever it decides an enemy exists (even if it is a fictional enemy, invented by the US, as somewhere with some people the US has decided are an enemy. It’s a very odd mentality and just plain paranoid). The UK does the same: it hides behind the US and pops its head out and shouts “yeah, you’re our enemy, too” before popping back, hiding behind the US. It’s called the‘special relationship’. This is where the UK supports everything the US wants, having had US support during WW2 and for which the UK paid the US huge sums over many decades.
I see the UK government has agreed with Israel and the US that the hospital bomb was self-inflicted, based on its own intelligence: what a surprise! Is this the same intelligence Israel and the US used, by any chance?
I also see Israel has demanded the UN Secretary General stand down for being antisemitic because he called on Israel to allow aid to enter Gaza. That’s an interesting conflation and what Israel and Jews do all the time.
Netanyahu has been very unpopular at home: presumably not any more.
One small aside: as I was typing this, my predictive text suggested ‘dementia’ when I started typing ‘demanded’ a few lines up from here....
I think from what I have read lately the Israeli people on the whole (not the Orthodox Jews) would like Netanyahu to step down. Before all this happened Israelis were in the streets protesting his govt.
I think you may well have been correct before the Hamas action. I suspect, Netanyahu will now have a lot more supporters.
NO. I think the reverse is true.
I think you have to take into account the younger people in Israel just the same as the USA.
Netanyahu is finished.
I really hope so. I suspect I am older than you and probably more cynical.
Ha! How can anyone be older than me?
I’m sure there are plenty! I’m pleased you’re still optimistic about a resolution which doesn’t destroy everything and everyone.
Dementia, indeed. The device you were using was grappling with the nature of the subject at hand. I’m surprised it didn’t try and pop in ‘demonic’ when Netanyahu entered the conversation. He was becoming increasingly unpopular at home before October 7ths atrocities. He may yet face charges of a criminal nature, war crimes aside. The blatant manner in which Israeli air strikes have flouted international law, totally ignoring the mealy mouthed calls from Biden, Macron, et al, and meeting any UN utterings with outright scorn, leads me to believe that they know they will have nobody to answer to, when the final body count is in. The US won’t even use the words ‘cease fire’, in any statements, while using ‘right to defend itself’ in a way that reminds me of the WMD mantra of the Bush admin. Then, as now, the media is merely parroting the parties lines.
The US will veto any action against Israel, as always, which is why the existing UN resolutions have been ignored.
‘As always’ sums it it up depressingly well.
Geez Caitlin, didn't you know that one beheaded baby is worth 10x a baby blown into pieces..?
Humanity, meet absolute rock bottom.
If I ever meet another lifeform after death, I sure as shit won't be telling them I came from Earth.
This is very cute and I agree re not telling them I came from Earth! It is SHAMEFUL what these monsters do ...
Madeleine Albright was asked whether starving half a million Iraqi children to death was worth it, and she replied "I think it was".
That's such a laugh! Look at that evil bitches face in her original response! You could even see her disdain of the guy who was asking her such questions which she apparently thought should never be asked!
Apparently you haven’t heard. Israel intends to level Gaza so that it doesn’t have to deal with this pesky Palestinian problem any more. Shooting unarmed protesters for the last decade has worn out the “moral army” and now they’ve just run out of patience for these “animals” So, kaboom goes Gaza until there are no more Palestinians in Palestine
The really worrisome part of this is that after atrocities in Afghanistan, and Ukraine the killing field is now Gaza. It appears for the lunatics in Tel Aviv and Washington there can never be enough killing and it is the only "diplomatic" skill they have. It appears the only salvation is the barbarians exhaust themselves, when and where we do not know
That's so spot on. There isn't anything that even resembles diplomacy any more. They immediately go to war!
Diplomacy has been destroyed in the West as it impedes corporate wars for corporate profits . In Russia and China and other countries it is very much alive as they are committed to peace not war. War is a denial of diplomacy which is just what happened with the war in Ukraine. Russia sought a diplomatic solution but NATO insisted on War as that is the business it is in, as are all Western politicians bum boys to Washington's imperialist wars.
NATO is a clear and ever present danger as its sole purpose to wage war, and this is why it must be disbanded as it it should have been in 1991 when the USSR collapsed.
Unfortunately the pure truth.
Until they are all gone. That's when these creatures from the underworld will be satisfied.
The underworld can never be "satisfied". Evil is forever famished.
I was mulling this over on my bike ride today.
;-(
Israel needs that land. It'll keep killing, now or later, until it gets it. The US has its ass, so no worries.
Yeah ... but what happens if the rest of the world doesn't go along? 0.0
They will not be asked. Note how the European leadership meekly follows along, with less self-respect than whipped dogs.
Yes and I am disgusted!
‘French President Emmanuel Macron was in Israel on Tuesday and said the US-led anti-ISIS coalition based in Iraq and Syria should also fight Hamas.
“France is ready for the coalition, which is fighting in Iraq and Syria against ISIS, to also fight against Hamas,” Macron said alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.’
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/24/frances-macron-says-us-led-anti-isis-coalition-should-fight-hamas/
Such a loyal little lackey!
Yes. I live here and do get News.
Most of the world never did.
They don't need it - Why do you think so?
The largest of largest gas deposits!
In the Levant - that's been out for a while and that the Israeli's have absolutely no intention of sharing what rightfully belongs to the People of Palestine.
Have you read the reports about Genie oil in the Southern Golan?
It's on pauze however the quantities are rumored to equally significant.
>How Israel Thrives from Syria’s Natural Resources< https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-occupied-golan-heights-how-israel-thrives-from-syrias-natural-resources/5500214
Welcome to Earth wherever you came from. Now hit history books.
When it comes to the profit making of the American weapons industry, there can never be enough killing.
He a recent column entitled "Let Them Eat Cement" former NYTimes Middle East Bureau chief reported:
Dear, Sen. Baldwin:
I wanted to share with you important information regarding the Gaza situation. In a recent column by Chris Hedges, former NYTime bureau chief for the Middle East reports:
“The Israeli army mobilized Ezra Yachin, a 95-year-old army veteran, to “motivate” the troops. Yachin was a member of the Lehi Zionist militia that carried out numerous massacres of Palestinian civilians, including the Deir Yassin massacre on April 9, 1948, where over 100 Palestinian civilians, many women and children, were slaughtered.
"’Be triumphant and finish them off and don’t leave anyone behind. Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, mothers and children. These animals can no longer live. Every Jew with a weapon should go out and kill them. If you have an Arab neighbor, don’t wait, go to his home and shoot him.’”
This is not some old guy at the end of the bar ranting. This man was brought in by the Israeli government to motivate Israeli troops. To tell them what to do. What is happening in Gaza is ethnic cleansing and genocide and it is being done with US intelligence, military planning assistance, weaponry and tax dollars. The United States is actively participating in ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Clarification, my note was part of a letter to Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) and got included. Hedges was not writing Baldwin. I goofed up and can't figure out how to edit my original comment. Sorry.
I do not know why we can't edit. We all make mistakes.
Quite all right we agree with you.
There is an interesting comparison here... in the 1930's Hitler's 3rd Reich was dedicated to eliminating the Jewish community in that part of the world. When this came fully into after WW2 this reign of terror was universally condemned as a holocaust, and this of course led to the establishment of current day Israel.. so please can someone explain to me how the current treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli's is any different from that brought on the Jews in Europe by Hitler?
Except that the Zionist attempt to steal Palestine for a Jewish homeland began in the late 1800’s and was very big in 1917, long before Hitler. Plus, Zionism was one of the charges Hitler made against European Jews to justify his grotesque “Final Solution” in the 30’s.
“Cultures that do not recognize that human life and the natural world have a sacred dimension, an intrinsic value beyond monetary value, cannibalize themselves until they die. They ruthlessly exploit the natural world and the members of their society in the name of progress until exhaustion or collapse, blind to the fury of their own self-destruction.”
― Chris Hedges
They have no conscience. It's all smoke and mirrors. They don't even care about their own people when it comes to fulfilling an objective. Who really knows what this one is. Mostly they bay for blood!
That's a fact because you can bet Biden is getting ready to throw our children's bodies on this pile!
I hope that won't happen Enough killing already!
Brilliant work!