For years the US military has counted on filling the grunt ranks with young people who have few or no options for a better life, promising training and post-service benefits as extra incentives. Now the politicians and oligarchs who own them have made life so miserable for non-wealthy Americans that enough may be pressured to enlist by this extra bonus in order to fight their unnecessary, extremely expensive and polluting evil wars. Taxpayers of course will be paying for it all: ordinary taxpayers, not the wealthy.
Yes..there is no shortage of entities trying to screw the common man/woman just trying to get by in life. The people always take the brunt of everything.
Actually, only for the oil, tech and defense industries. Israel is actually a US military staging area for control of access to all fossil fuels of the Middle East and North Africa. Without their support, Israel would not have been created.
"It's just everything ugly about the US empire all rolled up in one neat little package..."
Ugliness is really to be expected in the US empire. It's what the oligarchs have been planning all along--making the working classes so desperate that they'll forget about how heinous war and genocide is and sign up thinking that their debts will be forgiven. But what does it matter to a dead soldier whether their college loans are paid off or not? Makes no difference at all. What a disgusting and cynical society Americans live in!
It's eerie living in a time period where the signs of fascistic takeover of the US is everywhere - from a lawless police force called ICE, to mass surveillance and a POTUS who doesn't know when to stop with his warmongering. And I also find the legislative branches just as guilty as the Executive branch in failing in their public oath to Americans and the US Constitution. Refusing to stop the ongoing insanity coming out of the White House - these bought politicians are all guilty.
Who is more fool? The fool himself, or the fools who follow the fool?
There already is one party rule in the US—the uniparty or duopoly. They both take money from AIPAC and all the same lobbyists. As George Galloway says, “Two cheeks of the same arse.”
I would add the word failing to empire. We are indeed failing. The Super El Nino has proven we are past that tipping point now. The empire has failed. Hold on Brother it's going to get extremely ugly. Stories my Grandparents told of the 1920-30s I think will pale in comparison : (
That's enough. That's it. I wont simply accept that we simply cut Isnt-real off and let them fend for themselves. I want full on war until their society is ashes. We need to obliterate these POS when we are done taking back our country from them. They will always be a threat.
The amount of money ordinary Americans pay in taxes for the US military is unmatched in the world. Americans spend more on their military than the next nine countries combined.
And yet, we can't even feed our soldiers adequately. Talk about being a joke!
Soldiers families go to Food Banks and PayDay lenders.
To be an American Soldiers is to be poor, starving, abused, be cannon fodder for Z10 Pedoes and come home (IF YOU DO) with PTSD, Suicide, abuse your family, drug & alcohol addiction, NO Job to come home to... but no credit card balance!
Until the family creates more debt while you are gone, and you have to re-enlist... or maybe the Clean Slate debt-trick is only a one time offer?
Also... where is the Money going to come from to pay off all these loans? The US Govt is $40 TRILLION in DEBT Right Now! So now the Banksters are gonna just give up all that money from interest? Who is gonna PAY for the Loan Forgiveness?
Mizz Izzy the Genius thinks that the American People are now going to Go Into Debt MORE as a Country (Just double the $40T, who cares?)... to pay off the individual debts of the new Recruits?
Are Billionaire or Trillionaire Zionazis going to pay this debt off?
If the Banksters or US Govt says they can just "Write Off the Debt" for the Soldiers... then couldn't they have done that ALL ALONG?
Hmmm.... I got it. Let's pile a billion Elephants on the Head of a pin and then watch Donald Trump's family suck all the Blood & Treasure out of the USA for the Greater Israel Project! I think that's how this Debt-thingey trick will work.
Caitlin - I understand this - but how is it DIFFERENT from the rest of history where people in positions of power/wealth/authority use 'financial-based' incentives to get people to sacrifice their lives in wars, battles, etc. ?
I've seen/read about this sort of thing happening throughout history and across cultures and societies.
Knowing how EVIL the U.S. Empire is, why does that shock you (or anybody else for that matter)? I would expect nothing less (and actually even worse) from the likes of 'evil empires' such as the American one.
It is time for REVOLUTION - where are the guillotines (or whatever works for our present age) ?
The difference is this one is unabashedly negatively framed. They're not saying "hey kid sign up and we'll pay for college/give citizenship/etc" -- things people don't consider themselves entitle to. They're saying "enlist or we'll entirely fuck up your entire life with debt slavery". This is a very different framing and tbh I kind of hope they try it. The belief that the powers that be control the debt dials is now widespread, and to say this approach wouldn't go over well is putting it extremely mildly.
Not in the least. I'm not sure how will you understand the 'current' situation in the West.
>>"They're saying "enlist or we'll entirely fuck up your entire life with debt slavery". This is a very different framing..."
No, they're not saying that - they don't need to. There's no new framing either. It's the same as it has always been. Liternally nothing has changed in this respect (other than the event being a War against Iran).
People have been pushed into debt slavery/bondage because of the dynamics of the system of Capitalism (and the stage it's at) mainly. Regardless of whether 'enlisting' provides a mechanism of ameliorating 'this condition', debt slavery/bondage will continue/persist (again due to the nature of Capitalism).
It's the same old, same old - with different propaganda/narratives that might give the illusion that something is different this time.
Yes, but this is more brutal and nakedly perverse in it's planning.
Poor American must risk their life, health, everything and your debt will be erased. What are you risking your existence on Earth for?
Genocide, the Greater Israel Project, and so that Z1onist Billionaire PEDOES & WORSE can continue to TORTURE 4 FUN & CULT RITUALS. Oh, also so "Special Learner & Exempt from Military" Barron Trump can become the youngest Billionaire!
Won't Americans be proud of their Fighting Men? This is SO evil.
Evangelical & Mormons will push this plan. They are the MOST Selfish, thinking their subservience to Evil and Israel will "Save" them? That Jesus APPROVES of the rape & slaughter of Innocents?
Wrong.
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class is building Our CAGE and Their new workforce.
>>"Yes, but this is more brutal and nakedly perverse in it's planning."
NO, it's not - some people only think that because they have an insufficient knowledge/understanding of HISTORY.
I’m not denying that it’s brutal or perverse. I’m questioning the idea that it’s historically unique. Governments and elites have long weaponized debt, poverty, and financial incentives to persuade people to risk their lives in war. The modern version may be more explicit or sophisticated, but the underlying mechanism is familiar. Recognizing that continuity doesn’t excuse it—it helps explain and oppose it.
I’m skeptical that the language or transparency is meaningfully different. Earlier states openly promised land, pay, citizenship, pensions, or social advancement in exchange for military service. Today’s promises of education, housing, debt relief, or financial security are updated versions of the same bargain, tailored to modern economic conditions. The tools and rhetoric have changed, but the weaponization of economic insecurity to recruit people into war is not new.
[And I'm going to IGNORE all your religious/Jewish/etc. background musings) as it has no relevance to this discussion].
So you think the current debt situation is a natural consequence of real economy? You're in a minority with that belief, and if you drop it you'll see that debt forgiveness (or not) does look like a stick rather than a carrot. And that's new.
>>"So you think the current debt situation is a natural consequence of real economy?"
Part of the 'current debt situation' is a natural consequence of the dynamics of Capitalism. Debt slavery has been with humans for thousands of years. But certain 'systems of political economy' exacerbate the situation and the rate of the 'growth of debt'.
>>"debt forgiveness (or not) does look like a stick rather than a carrot."
The OPPOSITE. Debt forgiveness has been used throughout history (on a global level) - maybe you've heard of 'debt jubilees'?
I suggest reading "Debt: The First 5000 Years" (by David Graeber) to get a better understanding of how DEBT has been used within human societies throughout history.
But we've digressed to a DIFFERENT discussion. You are likely discussing the MORAL implications of all this. What I am saying is that STRUCTURALLY, nothing about this particular event (and all the motivations involved) changes ANYTHING about about debt in all its dimentions (slavery or otherwise).
So, regardless of HOW the U.S. administration WEAPONIZES debt to achieve its objectives, debt slavery/bondage will continue. Also, the U.S. has weaponized debt against people throughout - and the current usage is NO EXCEPTION to this (though some people don't seem to know/understand the history part to contextualize this).
As if soldiering for the empire and experiencing the horrors of war, especially an invasion of another country, can lead to a “clean start” for a human. It’s like this Jaff fuckstick has never read any literature on the topic of war, or had his eyes open this century.
It's so unbelievable that they are sending young men to fight a battle that should never have started. Find out how many IDF are being sent, probably none, they think "their" lives are too precious to be put on the line when they can get Americans to do the fighting for them, while they kill babies and children.
Keep in mind 13% of the military age young men in Israel are exempt from military service because they’re studying the Torah. It’s caused a rift in Israel but it’s kept quiet in the US press. How about sending the settler/thugs from the West Bank who specialize in murdering children and women? I’m sure the Iranians would love to get their hands on them.
Well I’m certainly on the side of Iran, for about seventy five years I’ve watched USA make a shameful mess of everything while puffed up with self-importance. May all yanks shrivel into a size that mirrors your worth!
The first thing both Mussolini and Hitler did when they came to power was abolish all workers' Unions and strikes, cut wages and increase military spending:
Then, they implemented the death penalty for refusal of military service, closed all opposition newspapers, and threw their political opponents in jail.
Debt slavery, the lot of millions in the "Free World"!
This is unrestrained capitalism at its height.
For years the US military has counted on filling the grunt ranks with young people who have few or no options for a better life, promising training and post-service benefits as extra incentives. Now the politicians and oligarchs who own them have made life so miserable for non-wealthy Americans that enough may be pressured to enlist by this extra bonus in order to fight their unnecessary, extremely expensive and polluting evil wars. Taxpayers of course will be paying for it all: ordinary taxpayers, not the wealthy.
Expensive wars fought by Americans, but for israel... don't forget that is who they are really fighting for.
War what is it good for.................
absolutly nothin'
Yes but also the oil companies, MIC and the tech industries.
Don't forget to add... Americans fighting at the command of Z10 PEDOE Billionaires.
Americans fighting & DYING for the Greater Israel Project and for MEN who GRAPE & WORSE Children.
Fighting for GENOCIDE.
Americans fighting for ZIONAZIS.
But hey, Visa is $0.00 balance. ***Time to rack it up!!!
Yes..there is no shortage of entities trying to screw the common man/woman just trying to get by in life. The people always take the brunt of everything.
Actually, only for the oil, tech and defense industries. Israel is actually a US military staging area for control of access to all fossil fuels of the Middle East and North Africa. Without their support, Israel would not have been created.
How many more Americans will be offered as sacrificial lambs to netanyahu???
Yep. Does it come with funeral cover and a pension for their partners left at home?
Salient point, Davina. Free body bags too!
are you sure the body bags will be free ?
Yeah, the bill could be in the mail.
"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt."
-John Adams (1826)
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IMF/WEF is the financial arm and NATO/AUKUS is the military arm of the Anglo-murican Imperialism
youtube.com/watch?v=NbOWe2Fs6lk
If people would only wake up and understand the financial system is completely fraudulent. There is no debt and never was!
Not in Europe
"It's just everything ugly about the US empire all rolled up in one neat little package..."
Ugliness is really to be expected in the US empire. It's what the oligarchs have been planning all along--making the working classes so desperate that they'll forget about how heinous war and genocide is and sign up thinking that their debts will be forgiven. But what does it matter to a dead soldier whether their college loans are paid off or not? Makes no difference at all. What a disgusting and cynical society Americans live in!
It's eerie living in a time period where the signs of fascistic takeover of the US is everywhere - from a lawless police force called ICE, to mass surveillance and a POTUS who doesn't know when to stop with his warmongering. And I also find the legislative branches just as guilty as the Executive branch in failing in their public oath to Americans and the US Constitution. Refusing to stop the ongoing insanity coming out of the White House - these bought politicians are all guilty.
Who is more fool? The fool himself, or the fools who follow the fool?
Good question !
The GOP aren't fools. They want one-party rule. They may get it.
There already is one party rule in the US—the uniparty or duopoly. They both take money from AIPAC and all the same lobbyists. As George Galloway says, “Two cheeks of the same arse.”
I would add the word failing to empire. We are indeed failing. The Super El Nino has proven we are past that tipping point now. The empire has failed. Hold on Brother it's going to get extremely ugly. Stories my Grandparents told of the 1920-30s I think will pale in comparison : (
I'm disappointed in the human race. Well, too bad.
Sorry the reply wasn't meant for you.
I wasn't disappointed in you.
Trump just Puts An Appropriately Ugly Face On A Very Ugly Empire:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iRThFwyddvk
Right, Rev. The perverted thinking of the NaZionistas and dRumpfian lackeys knows no bounds. Sick fuckers all.
US Americans, not America.
The ultimate in blood money. Definitely up there in the pantheon of "most American idea anyone ever had ".
I don't have the language anymore. Adjectives fail me. How many synonyms are there for "fucking evil"? Even Roget is at a loss...
I'm partial towards "diabolical abomination."
Excellent.
But the word "diabolical" implies agency, an outside actor (prob. Satan) who is directing the play, as it were.
As opposed to, say, rotting meat. Curdled milk. Gangrenous extremities. Ebola.
I'm just riffing here...
Very simple policy - enslave a people, then foreclose on them by enslaving them for military service. Mission Accomplished!
That's enough. That's it. I wont simply accept that we simply cut Isnt-real off and let them fend for themselves. I want full on war until their society is ashes. We need to obliterate these POS when we are done taking back our country from them. They will always be a threat.
They can’t feed the sailors! How are they going to pay soldiers? What a joke.
They won't. It's a bait-and-switch scheme. The only kind Trump has ever offered anyone.
Just as they deported those that served with the idea they would receive citizenship.
Exactly, he and his asmin are-excuse me-a bunch of out and out bastards.
The amount of money ordinary Americans pay in taxes for the US military is unmatched in the world. Americans spend more on their military than the next nine countries combined.
And yet, we can't even feed our soldiers adequately. Talk about being a joke!
Guess what? This is a SLAVE army.
They don't feed them or pay them...
Soldiers families go to Food Banks and PayDay lenders.
To be an American Soldiers is to be poor, starving, abused, be cannon fodder for Z10 Pedoes and come home (IF YOU DO) with PTSD, Suicide, abuse your family, drug & alcohol addiction, NO Job to come home to... but no credit card balance!
Until the family creates more debt while you are gone, and you have to re-enlist... or maybe the Clean Slate debt-trick is only a one time offer?
🚫ALL DATA CENTERS ✌️
Where are the weapons?
Good question!
Also... where is the Money going to come from to pay off all these loans? The US Govt is $40 TRILLION in DEBT Right Now! So now the Banksters are gonna just give up all that money from interest? Who is gonna PAY for the Loan Forgiveness?
Mizz Izzy the Genius thinks that the American People are now going to Go Into Debt MORE as a Country (Just double the $40T, who cares?)... to pay off the individual debts of the new Recruits?
Are Billionaire or Trillionaire Zionazis going to pay this debt off?
If the Banksters or US Govt says they can just "Write Off the Debt" for the Soldiers... then couldn't they have done that ALL ALONG?
Hmmm.... I got it. Let's pile a billion Elephants on the Head of a pin and then watch Donald Trump's family suck all the Blood & Treasure out of the USA for the Greater Israel Project! I think that's how this Debt-thingey trick will work.
Caitlin - I understand this - but how is it DIFFERENT from the rest of history where people in positions of power/wealth/authority use 'financial-based' incentives to get people to sacrifice their lives in wars, battles, etc. ?
I've seen/read about this sort of thing happening throughout history and across cultures and societies.
Knowing how EVIL the U.S. Empire is, why does that shock you (or anybody else for that matter)? I would expect nothing less (and actually even worse) from the likes of 'evil empires' such as the American one.
It is time for REVOLUTION - where are the guillotines (or whatever works for our present age) ?
The difference is this one is unabashedly negatively framed. They're not saying "hey kid sign up and we'll pay for college/give citizenship/etc" -- things people don't consider themselves entitle to. They're saying "enlist or we'll entirely fuck up your entire life with debt slavery". This is a very different framing and tbh I kind of hope they try it. The belief that the powers that be control the debt dials is now widespread, and to say this approach wouldn't go over well is putting it extremely mildly.
Not in the least. I'm not sure how will you understand the 'current' situation in the West.
>>"They're saying "enlist or we'll entirely fuck up your entire life with debt slavery". This is a very different framing..."
No, they're not saying that - they don't need to. There's no new framing either. It's the same as it has always been. Liternally nothing has changed in this respect (other than the event being a War against Iran).
People have been pushed into debt slavery/bondage because of the dynamics of the system of Capitalism (and the stage it's at) mainly. Regardless of whether 'enlisting' provides a mechanism of ameliorating 'this condition', debt slavery/bondage will continue/persist (again due to the nature of Capitalism).
It's the same old, same old - with different propaganda/narratives that might give the illusion that something is different this time.
Yes, but this is more brutal and nakedly perverse in it's planning.
Poor American must risk their life, health, everything and your debt will be erased. What are you risking your existence on Earth for?
Genocide, the Greater Israel Project, and so that Z1onist Billionaire PEDOES & WORSE can continue to TORTURE 4 FUN & CULT RITUALS. Oh, also so "Special Learner & Exempt from Military" Barron Trump can become the youngest Billionaire!
Won't Americans be proud of their Fighting Men? This is SO evil.
Evangelical & Mormons will push this plan. They are the MOST Selfish, thinking their subservience to Evil and Israel will "Save" them? That Jesus APPROVES of the rape & slaughter of Innocents?
Wrong.
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class is building Our CAGE and Their new workforce.
🚫ALL DATA CENTERS ✌️
>>"Yes, but this is more brutal and nakedly perverse in it's planning."
NO, it's not - some people only think that because they have an insufficient knowledge/understanding of HISTORY.
I’m not denying that it’s brutal or perverse. I’m questioning the idea that it’s historically unique. Governments and elites have long weaponized debt, poverty, and financial incentives to persuade people to risk their lives in war. The modern version may be more explicit or sophisticated, but the underlying mechanism is familiar. Recognizing that continuity doesn’t excuse it—it helps explain and oppose it.
I’m skeptical that the language or transparency is meaningfully different. Earlier states openly promised land, pay, citizenship, pensions, or social advancement in exchange for military service. Today’s promises of education, housing, debt relief, or financial security are updated versions of the same bargain, tailored to modern economic conditions. The tools and rhetoric have changed, but the weaponization of economic insecurity to recruit people into war is not new.
[And I'm going to IGNORE all your religious/Jewish/etc. background musings) as it has no relevance to this discussion].
And still most believe they live under the best governmental system in the world. The degree of indoctrination is phenomenal.
So you think the current debt situation is a natural consequence of real economy? You're in a minority with that belief, and if you drop it you'll see that debt forgiveness (or not) does look like a stick rather than a carrot. And that's new.
>>"So you think the current debt situation is a natural consequence of real economy?"
Part of the 'current debt situation' is a natural consequence of the dynamics of Capitalism. Debt slavery has been with humans for thousands of years. But certain 'systems of political economy' exacerbate the situation and the rate of the 'growth of debt'.
>>"debt forgiveness (or not) does look like a stick rather than a carrot."
The OPPOSITE. Debt forgiveness has been used throughout history (on a global level) - maybe you've heard of 'debt jubilees'?
I suggest reading "Debt: The First 5000 Years" (by David Graeber) to get a better understanding of how DEBT has been used within human societies throughout history.
But we've digressed to a DIFFERENT discussion. You are likely discussing the MORAL implications of all this. What I am saying is that STRUCTURALLY, nothing about this particular event (and all the motivations involved) changes ANYTHING about about debt in all its dimentions (slavery or otherwise).
So, regardless of HOW the U.S. administration WEAPONIZES debt to achieve its objectives, debt slavery/bondage will continue. Also, the U.S. has weaponized debt against people throughout - and the current usage is NO EXCEPTION to this (though some people don't seem to know/understand the history part to contextualize this).
The US is American, not America.
yes, yes and yes !
As if soldiering for the empire and experiencing the horrors of war, especially an invasion of another country, can lead to a “clean start” for a human. It’s like this Jaff fuckstick has never read any literature on the topic of war, or had his eyes open this century.
It's so unbelievable that they are sending young men to fight a battle that should never have started. Find out how many IDF are being sent, probably none, they think "their" lives are too precious to be put on the line when they can get Americans to do the fighting for them, while they kill babies and children.
Just look at what is happening in the Canadian armed forces and you will understand the likes of Jaff.
Psychopaths…
And kicker is… all that so-called debt isn’t even legitimate!
Yes, largely created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve.
My, My! The economists in the Pentagon have finally calculated the worth of life for 18 - 35 year old US males. I guess a free funeral is included?
"Free funeral": Meaning the corpse being dumped into a pit, or just left somewhere in the desert.
The bones could be used to build a Trump/Kushner Gaza Resort.
don't think he hasn't thought about it.
However a body bag or coffin is being shipped by nato, but it could be full with drugs as those transports cross borders without checking.
$$$$$
war is a racket, and a business, isn’t it?
A very dirty one!
don't forget the cost of a flag draped over a long box, and a guard of honour to see it unloaded.
Keep in mind 13% of the military age young men in Israel are exempt from military service because they’re studying the Torah. It’s caused a rift in Israel but it’s kept quiet in the US press. How about sending the settler/thugs from the West Bank who specialize in murdering children and women? I’m sure the Iranians would love to get their hands on them.
Well I’m certainly on the side of Iran, for about seventy five years I’ve watched USA make a shameful mess of everything while puffed up with self-importance. May all yanks shrivel into a size that mirrors your worth!
Check out how the U.S. behaved in Germany to realize that plutocratic state has been a monster far before your timeline.
Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYIMUsuWavY
You’d almost think this was the plan all along…
So sick.
What comes next? Forced mobilization like in Ukraine?
The first thing both Mussolini and Hitler did when they came to power was abolish all workers' Unions and strikes, cut wages and increase military spending:
youtu.be/7f_V9zZNzTY?t=971
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Then, they implemented the death penalty for refusal of military service, closed all opposition newspapers, and threw their political opponents in jail.
That's classic fascism for you.