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There is another thing that must be said. The idea that negotiating to prevent war means consigning Ukrainians to the barbarity and horrors of war is illogical. That's what they're enduring NOW because of a refusal on the part of Zelenski, egged by the US powers and NATO, to engage in negotiations. (Many of the claims of atrocities are surely faked, but there is plenty of real horror, death, displacement--it's a WAR.) Anyone with real concern for Ukrainians (and Russians) should be speaking up for an end to this, which is likely to come either through negotiations--or Armageddon. People buy into this because, as Caitlin has mentioned so many times, they're subjected to a media barrage of fake news and distortion that ignores everything going on between Russia, Ukraine and the US prior to last February, and pretends that "Putin" (not Russia, since propaganda to justify war always demonizes the leader, personalizes it) is simply bent on conquest.

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"As former Secretary of State Dean Acheson put it, humanity survived the Cuban Missile Crisis by "plain dumb luck".

There's no logical basis for the belief that we'll get lucky again."

Sure there is, we're way dumber now than we were 60 years ago, therefore our odds of encountering dumb luck must be increased as well, right?

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