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T. Paine's avatar

I served during Vietnam and witnessed atrocities. I met ordinary men who risked their lives for a cause they trusted was virtuous and came to understand was just propaganda. Abu Ghraib was predictable and firing the entire Bath party infrastructure was a bigger disaster than Joes escape from Afghanistan. Our governments lies are only exceeded by their incompetence and refusal to accept any responsibility for their failures. Now we have Ukraine the most blatant interference leading towards WWIII and pointing out the potential for unintended consequences is forbidden. What could go wrong and why hadn’t Ray Epps been arrested?

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

The first and basic propagandist lie is the idea/view instilled from childhood that your country is the good guy, the one guided by God that is always, without exception on the right side of history Now, this might be true of some countries, those with no imperialist, colonialist past, but it is not true of Western countries. Western countries have become prominent in world affairs just because of this particular orientation: they manifestly have had no moral/ethical compunction historically, and right up to the recent past, against widespread brutality, destruction, killing, theft, enslavement. It is the Western media spreading lies about the Ukraine /Russia situation that allows the West to proliferate this proxy war, pour in arms and cash and perpetuate it indefinitely, in the hope mainly of weakening and destroying Russia, and enriching and perpetuating the military industrial complex. To this end they have employed the cheapest, shabbiest tactics that include dragging in and defaming long dead great artists, writers, composers, and forcing living artists to denounce Putin at the metaphorical point of a gun. The total sanctions imposed on Russia and all supporters is an historical record.

Now, the nature of the lie may be unclear to the uninformed, but surely the shabby backstreet tactics are clearly desperate and shameful, and in themselves discredit the positions they are meant to enforce.

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