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The Revolution Continues's avatar

I can't wait to see our "environmentally friendly" nuclear weapons. The glow on the horizon will be a lovely shade of green and the mushroom clouds will be GMO free . Yes, you can't get anymore Democrat than that. Sigh.

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Landru's avatar

Love the "environmentally friendly nuclear weapons" I'm stealing it ha. in the initial detonation, gamma rays and thermal neutrons are produced , they will scintillate your eye. The column of heat will be visible to ultraviolet.

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William Paul's avatar

Hey, we conservatives who love an organic diet and the carnivore lifestyle also look forward to an all-natural nuclear chain reaction that will wipe out cities and bring on a nuclear winter. Don't leave us carnivore, organic right-wingers out of the organic death of all that is.

(Sarcasm, in case you can't tell.)

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Landru's avatar

I feel the threat of nuclear war greater today than when I was sitting under my desk looking into the eyes of teacher who was terrified. That look made me ask questions about why. I have worked in high energy physics now over 40 yrs. If people only knew what trying to survive in that world would be like. Hollywood makes it look easy, The book On the Beach by Nevil Shute is the reality : (

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William Paul's avatar

Well said. I am 55 and I remember those terrified looks from teachers. Now, I am a teacher, and I try to do my best to be honest with students while not terrorizing them.

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Landru's avatar

Much love to you, teaching in these times is a struggle. Even though the students I work with are grad students I hear the challenges of teaching today. Honesty , I love you for that, without honesty there is no chance to learn any topic. When will you get the first question about nuclear war? So far in our coffee chats the topic has only come up after a higher level of saber rattling. I am working on a new experiment Oscura. I am so old it might be my last shot at seeing dark matter ha.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2202.10518

Please hug all those around you from me. You are our only hope : )

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William Paul's avatar

I appreciate your kindness. But we teachers are far from the only hope. Every single person I meet is a potential light. I am well-aware of my limits: the parents are much more powerful influencers. I just aim to see Jesus Christ in every person. Put another way, I see every person as infinitely valuable. Even though some like Bill Gates and Joe Biden have given themselves over to evil, there is hope for everyone.

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

That mushroom cloud itself might be GMO free, but what's in it will certainly do a number on all of our genetics.

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Vayu's avatar

Bush is a war criminal. He started an unprovoked war costing $trillions of dollars with the entire premise based on a full and blatant lie. It's incomprehensible. I can't in any way fathom the words Pelosi said to him. There are no realities that these words are more the complete opposite of than "humanity, generosity of spirit, compassion" and George Bush. For decades now I've expected him to be put in prison. Knowing how twisted our country is maybe I could imagine he escapes prison here but why has he not been put in prison when he stepped foot in any other country?! How is it people like Bush and Trump are free?! At the very least how is it that anybody listened to more than 5 minutes of their speaking?! Why wasn't every single media exposure done with the idea that being president was purely comedy?!

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Fran's avatar

Please don't lump Bush and Trump together, since there were no wars under Trump. During the Bush/Cheney years millions were displaced, died, their countries left in shambles, black sites and Guantánamo, and torture. Why aren't you holding those who voted for the lies accountable? Don't you think they knew the truth? I knew they were lies, many knew all our middle eastern wars were based on nothing but lies. So while your at it what about Obama and all the others, especially those that pushed for these wars like Clinton, or should we just send them to purgatory, after all they're democrats.

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Vayu's avatar

I lumped them together on the basis of presidents blatantly breaking laws and not answering to it. The insurrection was a serious offense. There are several other impropriety reasons he should be in prison also. Both Trump and Bush also had the similarity to me that any words out of their mouths are so unintelligent that I can't even listen to 5 minutes before being exasperated. As far as war, all of them including Obama are war criminals. Obama as much as any. He signed the NDAA allowing people to be executed without any kind of due process. That paved the way for the despicable drone program where it's now common practice to kill people remotely without any due process.

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Fran's avatar

What laws did Trump break that you are referring to? When you say insurrection I think it's best to call it a riot, since the capital police did let hundreds in through the front door, and I saw it myself. No one was killed, except Ashley Babbitt. Did you see them breaking the windows on the doors, and the cops standing around doing nothing, and moving away before Babbit was killed? Also, hard to take over the reins of government with no weapons. No one is saying Trump isn't in need of improvement, but please don't lump him together with Bush. I agree with you on Obama, Droner and chief that he was. I'll agree Trump wasn't perfect, but the Bush/Cheney team were beyond loathsome. Think, about how someone responsible for so much death, torture and destruction was paraded around during the Jan 6 comm, by his daughter which was set up to determine Trump's guilt. If you do think about it, is it upsetting?

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Vayu's avatar

When you add all the ways he tried to alter the votes it equals insurrection. All his crony deals entitle him to prison. His war credits are up to par with all of them. Trump is in every way as horrible as all of them. In every way he was a disgusting man.

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Fran's avatar

Bullshit! He didn't try to alter votes but accused others of doing it. If you were Trump and the democrats tried for 4 years to get rid of you, and the press was in complicity with them, maybe you would also think the election was stolen, especially by an old man who isn't working with a full deck.

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Landru's avatar

Not that I am a fan of one rich person over another but, you are so right. Four years of nothing but attacks. It would have been easy to imprison Trump for his finance but they didn't look because they do the same. I knew Russiagate was a fraud when they didn't look at the finance. They would have found Clinton, Obama, Biden, Bush all under the same rock. We are on the same side, working people.

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Fran's avatar

P. S You don't even know what an insurrection is by definition.

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Landru's avatar

Yes, there is plenty of blame for all. Because I had so much hope, Obummer was my greatest disappointment. That was a moment in time to destroy and neuter the War Machine, dismantle the Oligarchic banking system and return it to the people, a credit union of workers : ) Education of desire to learn , not profit. The world could be a better place for all. Guillotines anyone?

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Kojo's avatar

You’re encouraging violence. That’s reprehensible.

If you want to do anything that disgusting, well you make that comment on your own. Don’t reply or tag to my comment. Am not on your team.

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Vayu's avatar

I'm wondering if your post is under the wrong comment. Are you saying "destroy and neuter the War Machine, dismantle the Oligarchic banking system and return it to the people, a credit union of workers" is encouraging violence? Those are two salient actions we could take. The way they get implemented matters. It won't work if it's done by force. But if everyone chooses to do those we would see two fundamental problems gone. Those two ideas would put a big dent in large scale global violence and major wealth disparity.

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Kojo's avatar

You post includes an exhortation to violence, which I’m not going to repeat for you.

You’re disgusting. Make such comments on your own and don’t pretend to be responding to my comment.

Further you are a. Coward who would make such statements then attempt to pretend them away. Disgusting.

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Vayu's avatar

I don't have a clue about what violence you're referring to? I'm thinking maybe threads are mixed up. You need to quote it for me to understand.

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Kojo's avatar

That’s a lie

Trump eagerly escalated invasion & occupation in Afghanistan and Syria where he approved the theft of their oilfields. Trump also oversaw growing number of “special military operations” in Africa.

Trump threatened to nuke North Korea until they signalled they would retaliate by hitting Japan. And he tried the same with China, whereupon even U.S. Generals called China to assure them that they wouldn’t follow that command.

So basically you lied. Big time. Trump was also a warmonger.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

Trump also supported Saudi bombing in Yemen, and gave at least a billion dollars of weapons to Ukraine. So not as dramatic as Bush's wars or Obama's wars, but still very much a tool of the war mongers.

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Robert the Skeptic's avatar

It's true that Trump did not get the U.S. into any new wars, but he packed his administration with war hawks of the type who ultimately provoked the Ukraine war (think John Bolton and Mike Pompeo). It was during Trump's administration that much of the arming of Ukraine to fight Russia took place. Thus, he does not escape culpability. That said, I think that Trump had his sights fixed more on China. If I may generalize, the Democrats demonize Russia, and the Republicans, China. Naturally, it's a matter of degree, as leaders of both parties despise both countries.

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Fran's avatar

He did pick people like Pompeo, and Bolton, bad, bad choices, but they did not provoke the Ukraine war, although their antipathy toward Russia didn't help. That war was decided during the Obama years, an administration that assisted a coup and sent a pro-Russia president flying into their arms. Obama was not adverse to using neo-nazi's to get the job done, neo-nazis willing to inflict violence on innocent people. Trump got in their way when he unexpectantly won in 2016, but Biden picked up the mantle once he got into office. Read about it and you'll see the validity that from the beginning this was an orchestrated attempt to remove Putin when we initiated a coup back in 2014. Russia-gate kept the hatred of Russia alive.

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Robert the Skeptic's avatar

Oh, I never intended to let Obama off the hook. He and his point man for Ukraine, then Vice President Joe Biden, got the ball rolling with the Maidan coup in 2014. Nevertheless, Trump and his super hawk advisors green-lit or failed to red-light the arming of Ukraine, without which, the war might not have happened. So, I would apportion responsibility for the Ukraine horror as Dems 70%, Repubs 30%.

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Fran's avatar

Do you think he had a choice? No question, he should have stood his ground, and I always thought his horrible choices of Pompeo and Bolton were the result of the constant refrain that he was too soft on Russia, not militaristic enough. Remember how his trip to North Korea was trounced by the democrats who claimed by going he elevated the status of a ruthless dictator, etc, etc. His trip to Russia was highly condemned as well. These are our enemies and they will forever stay our enemies until we put an end to them. We and we alone control this world. You really are mistaken if you should think this is a Trump orchestrated war. It is not. Norm Chomsky wrote and article not that long ago that claimed he truly believed the only Statesman, Trump, could put an end to this war in Ukraine. Many on the left so highly critical of Trump refrain from addressing Obama's many flaws. I saw a video of Mate interviewing Norman Finkelstein, and maybe it's the first time I heard someone describe Obama with any attempt at accuracy. Jimmy Dore did say he was no liberal, and of course like Bush/Cheney he had wars. Oh, yess, a progressive that worked with him in Chicago did say before his election into office he was no liberal, and he was right on.

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Robert the Skeptic's avatar

So why did Trump have people like Bolton, Pompeo and their Ilk in his administration? I did say that Trump's administration did not bear primary responsibility for the war, but nor did they did put the brakes on when they could have. I recently watched a Grayzone podcast in which Aaron Mate called BS on Trump as some sort of great peacemaker. I see it as a question of where Trump wanted to have his war. I think the Middle East was most likely, but China cannot be excluded. Of course, this is all counterfactual speculation, so I will quit right here.

Oh, I want to add that IMO, Barack Obama was the phoniest president in my lifetime, even surpassing Bill Clinton, which is a very high bar. No, wait, Clinton was a bigger phony. I'm so confused.

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Go away old man, I remember you now.

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I didn't tell you to leave, but do not not respond to my posts. I totally forgot who you were Once again you are playing victim, accusing me of things I neither said or did, but it is you who are threatening.

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unwarranted's avatar

Let’s not forget his repeated trashing of people of color, you know, the rapists from Mexico, so many from “shithole countries,” tear-gassing BLM legally assembled protestors so he could do a fucking photo-op. The Charlottesville fiasco where he couldn’t bring himself to be unambiguous in criticizing white-supremacist thugs. This mythology regarding his not starting a war...can I get a reward? I haven’t killed anybody! Trump made it clear that he has no problem with killing socialists and Asians. And he’d probably try to kill Asian socialists twice. He never lifted sanctions on Syria, he increased them on Venezuela. Sanctions are an act of war!

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Fran's avatar

Yes, we know, he's a xenophobe, a sexist, a homophobe, etc. Now what about all the others that killed and displaced millions of Muslims? I know Clinton, called him a xenophobe because he initially didn't want Muslims entering the county, but changed his mind on that. However, she is responsible for killing and destroying the lives of millions of Muslims. So, who is the xenophobe here? I think Clinton pushed the false narrative of Russia-gate, and didn't even want him to pay them a visit. Now look where we are.

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Jeano's avatar

This is classic “what aboutism”. It doesn’t exonerate T-rump when you point out the crimes of all our other corrupt leaders. Tho this discussion has been a good history review. It just shows that the creeping corporate coup of the U. S. has been going on since Reagan but nobody has a solution other than to attack the other guy’s solution. Pathetic. We squabble and the MIC gets richer. Solidarity people! 😝🥰🤗

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unwarranted's avatar

Actually, I think what you call “the creeping corporate coup” began while FDR was still in office. Leading industrialists were determined to get rid of him, by the ballot or by other means. (The same industrialists who funneled millions of dollars to Hitler’s mission.). Big money paid to get Henry Wallace, who believed in FDR’s platform, out of the way so that Harry Truman would be the heir-apparent. Truman created the CIA and the NSA. That was after he nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. These actions flipped the script, and the status quo was instantly reset, and the rightward crawl has been a marathon of war and death and legalized grand theft.

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Fran's avatar

Yes, and I would agree except Trump was an exception. I have never seen a president so maligned, not even Bush/Cheney for their black sites and their push for wars based on lies. There were video clips of Trump responding to reporters that were often introduced by commentators saying he went into a rage when asked this or that question, then they would show you the clip, and his response was normal.  Scary they should think they have that kind of hold over your perceptions. No other president that I remember was attacked by the press and the left so repeatedly, nor an opposing party so obvious in their desire to remove him from office. The press became less objective more bias and remains so to this day, as do many on the do called left.  Whether you like Trump or not this is something  that should concern everyone. The lie of Russia-gate, still not fully addressed, was pushed by the democrats, and a very complicit press, yet no one held accountable, or punished. Everyone should be upset by the obvious authoritarian stance the democrats, the press, the media descended into. Even if you don't believe the election was stolen it is understandable that many think it was, and it's not okay for the CIA and the democrats to influence the outcome of election by preventing the truth from coming out, like  Hunter Biden's lap top, because the powers that be want a Biden win. We were barely a democratic country before Trump and we are less so now, and many people, ordinary people were complicit in it as well, because they so easily bought the lies.   

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unwarranted's avatar

You have never seen a comment from me defending Clinton (either one), Obama, Bush or any of the soulless slugs that you clearly revile. But I have had to see many attempts from you to tell everyone that Trump is a different animal. It is really sad that you hold this delusion.

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Fran's avatar

Four years of no war in a new century that has seen one war after another, and one that may bring all life on this planet to an end is important to me. It is very important to me, as it might be to you if you lost someone due to their hegemonic agenda for world dominance.

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Fran's avatar

Great, come in with a one liner and think you have made a point. You haven't.

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djean111's avatar

You may be wasting your time. Evidently, the 2024 campaign has begun, and Comments sections everywhere will be awash with directives to hate Trump (and hate DeSantis, should he become a front-runner), and any criticism of any Democrat will be labeled an attack on Democrat candidates, as if we all were still trapped in that noisome "If you are not a Democrat supporter you must be a Trump supporter" bull-ordure. Yep, the 2024 campaign police are now active. Kind of obvious and a bit amusing and very familiar. And it never occurs to them that folks really just don't care what they spew and bubble about. Much less obey the Dem marching orders.

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Fran's avatar

While they accuse me of being a brainless Trump supporter, they define him in solely black and white terms. Trump is all bad. If you don't accept that your a moron. I was a registered democrat who didn't want to vote for Clinton, a neocon whom Assange was extremely critical of, but felt sorry for her due to her pathological need for power. I didn't vote in the 2016 elections. There are no ifs ands or buts that during his presidency the democrats tried to remove him from office with the lie of Russia-gate, and of course the mainstream media fell into line and lost what little credibility they had left. Many left wing sites also became devout Trump haters loosing their credibility as well. That's why so many are on Substack now. To many it matters not that many in the media prevented the Hunter Biden lab top story to emerge before the elections, since they wanted a Biden win, and basically interfered in our elections by doing so. Anyone but Trump, and at any cost to what is left of our democracy. While some of these mindless posters attack you for giving Trump credit for a four year reprieve from war they will go on an endless rant of hate for the man claiming all their assertions are true even if they adopted this mindset as the democrats and press demonized him and exerted no objective perspective on his presidency for four years and continue to do so.  

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djean111's avatar

Yes. I never voted for Clinton; I was appalled and frightened by her. Still am. So I did not vote. As an aside, I believe our election apparatus, from the big-money-selected candidates down to the voting machines, is corrupt. The idea of "democracy" is a sham. Corporate and MIC rule is fascism, not democracy. And it matters not one whit what a candidate campaigns on - if elected, the Congressional leaders will tell them what to do, with a few decorative "progressives" scattered about for fund-raising and vote-getting purposes. Sheepdogs at best.

Be all of that as it may be - you have given a cogent reply, thank you. But it would be more accurate to consider those who creep through the internet on the Democrat Party's behalf akin to the Democrats who spent their days monitoring Twitter and instructing Twitter to get rid of any comments deemed too injurious in some way to Democrats. Or, really, and this will become more obvious as we inch closer to 2024 - think of them as those hordes of mops sweeping angrily about in Fantasia - with the ability to cut and paste the official narrative. No point in wasting logic and facts on them; they are doing their job, and that's that. There must be no dissent at any site considered liberal.

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Landru's avatar

Sadly, they win, doesn't matter who it is, we lose. When we come together as working people we win. That person will not come from the rich or the current political elites. I have no idea who that is. I don't see anyone for us out there now.

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bill wolfe's avatar

She doesn't even have to pretend to the voters anymore. She's free to say exactly what she really thinks.

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Robert the Skeptic's avatar

That's exactly what my mother used to say when she got old. She could freely speak her mind, and people were free to like or dislike what she said. Pelosi's the same way, except she's wicked and powerful, and my mother was sweet and powerless.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

What goes on inside The Beltway is quite removed from everyday life.

Inside The Beltway, insiders write checks, the outsiders "vote". Who does the government listen to. The last three years is proof enough.

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Marci Sudlow's avatar

Bush was Cheney's puppet, just as Biden is a mouthpiece for the 1% and the Pentagon. Trump at least, for better or worse (in this case worse) was his own man, which is why he is so widely hated by those in power.

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Vayu's avatar

Trump was not his own man. He completely followed the oligarchic mandates for war, wealth disparity and division of the populace. He was as direct and effective at those as any other administrations. He made it seem like he was bucking trends. The only things he did that were actually unconventional were social and policy faux pas. Instigating and agitating just for the sake of it is not constructive. He modeled 12 year old bully mentality.

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Landru's avatar

Because everyone in the room is the same person. We have many to fight. We fight together we win together : )

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Dollyboy's avatar

Who would have thunk it that wanting freedom of speech and peace is the most radical position one could take?

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CarbonCopy's avatar

You must be a Russian colluder to say such a thing!

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Dollyboy's avatar

😂 ... we’ll in truth I am quite sympathetic to the Russian perspective on this war.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Me too.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

I don't condemn many people, even some involved in terrible crimes: they often virtually don't know what they're doing. But George Dubbya Bush I despise, and curse every time I hear his name. By coincidence, tonight I watched 20 Years of Deception - Full Movie in HD, and every shot of Bush's

sly, lying face, every snide word right from his lying, dead soul straight through to his crooked mouth, filled me with hatred. Yes I hate him. He killed at least 1,000,000 innocent people who had done no one harm, all million of them, including children, pregnant women, the ill and disabled, young and old men and women - and destroyed their country, Iraq. He can never be forgiven, in this world or any other. And the same goes for Condoleeezzzaaa Rice, Cheney and all vile, lying fellow perps.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Exactly and if you were to follow him from the time he started as a young man you would see he never did anything good always war and infiltration!

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Among other crimes, his father thought nothing of killing 500,000 children under the age of 6 by sanction of common medicines like aspirin, and common disinfectants like chlorine bleach, along with food supplies. All of these fatalities by 1995, so who knows how many older children through to 2013, died from these sanctions? And sec of state Albright thought it was - "worth it."

The Bushes? A criminal, elitist "Skull and Bones" family with criminal mindset and connections, like Feith, Perle, Rumsfeld, Cheney, "Axis of Evil" Frum, Colon Powell, Condoleeezzza Rice, who shrugged her shoulders and said -who knew? Intelligence can be right or wrong - who knew? So, apparently, if you get intelligence from some "curveball" that the moon harbours aliens of dubious intent - blow up the moon! You go with the intelligence you have!!!

All decent or "human" people must condemn these twisted and stupid, self-serving people for all time.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

For certain!

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Afi K. James's avatar

Fuck these war criminals, i am so glad that i left the democratic party almost 16 years ago. #DemExit

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Kojo's avatar

There was a great statistic shown recently about the breadth of the war profiteer industries in the U.S.

First of all over half of pentagon spending goes to external contractors. Secondly the range of spending was very wide. Of course you have the weapons companies, but among the top 10-15 sectors included IT services companies, food, office supplies etc. So in the end the warmongering is floating the entire economy.

What’s worse then is the same regime that is increasing military spending for a needless war in Ukraine completely denies that this broad and wasteful spending has any inflationary effect!

And in the same breadth they keep raising interest rates, claiming that it’s “labour costs” that need to be brought down to reduce inflation.

This regime includes the Dems. Charlatans!

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

War is the health of the State.

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Nostradamus's avatar

“If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.”

— George H. W. Bush, 1992

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Nostradamus's avatar

 ‘Gott mit uns’ – Middle East Jungle.

o ‘I am driven with a mission from god. god would tell me, ‘George, go and fight these

terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did. And then god would tell me George, go and end the

tyranny in Iraq. And I did’ - George Bush, 2005

o Cost of god’s stupidity: $6 - 7 Trillion (Trump’s assessment).

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Nostradamus's avatar

 ‘Gott mit uns’ – UkroNazistan Jungle (2022).

Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian:

 Europe Commits Hara-Kiri

 “Putin cannot remain in power in Moscow” – Bidensky, March 2022.

The end of the power of reason!!!

 “We will support Ukraine as long as it takes” – Bidensky

 Cost of the emperor’s stupidity:

o $120 billion to US tax payers as of December 2022.

o 417,000 Ukrainian soldiers disabled or dead as of December 2022.

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Landru's avatar

Few people know what you have written. Now, a question for you, when does NATO/u.s. send troops to whats left of Ukraine? Now that Bakhmut has fallen dividing the Ukraine defensive line into, Russia will take Kamianske cutting the Dnipro river from Kyiv. That will happen quickly on the flat planes West of Bakhmut. Is that the trigger for troops or Nuclear War? Run to the LIght.

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Nostradamus's avatar

Technically speaking, NATO CANNOT win a conventional war against Russia.

Russia has been producing hypersonic missiles and gliders since 2019. NATO still hasn't been able to successfully test a hypersonic device. If I go by the F-35 fiasco, I don't see how they'll be ready by 2030! Imagine firing Khinzal (2000km) from Kaliningrad at the EU. All countries are within 1000kms from Russia and these missiles CANNOT be intercepted by NATO. Only Russia has deployed S-400 (revised), S-500 and S-550 in Moscow to intercept hypersonic devices.

As far as ICBMs go, 1 Sarmat can destroy the state of Texas and CANNOT be intercepted.

Russia just has to take out New York, Washington DC., Colorado (NORAD) and all is done!

Let's say the "crazies in the basement" chose the nuclear option meaning opting for the MAD doctrine. Well, the entire planet is doomed. But Russia can still use S-500 and S-550 to intercept most of the nuclear war heads in space before they even reach their territory. NATO does not even have that mitigation capability.

Russia just has to launch 2 Poseidons on the East coast and 2 from the West coast from their submarines to clean up the entire costal areas of the US with radioactive tsunamis.

Depending on the half life of the radioactive elements used in the bombs, the US will be history for thousands of years!

As of now, Russia, China and Iran are the only countries that have hypersonic devices in production.

It's time for Bidensky to raise the white flag in UkroNazistan or start preparing his final trip to heaven (hell!).

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Robert the Skeptic's avatar

Back in the 1930s, German Naziism was viewed favorably by some as a bulwark against Soviet communism. In similar fashion, today’s Democratic Party serves as a bulwark against left progressivism. Yes, the Dems do some good things at the margins—just enough to keep their voters from abandoning altogether—but at its core, the Party serves the same ruling class interests as the Republican Party. The so-called “liberal” corporate media share the Democrats’ agenda of blocking social democratic policies as well as feeding the War Machine and its endless wars.

This set of circumstances seems baked into the cake for us westerners, which is why the future may be brighter for people living in countries outside the asylum. But, of course, they have their own ruling elites to deal with.

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Antonio Carty's avatar

Well said and yes Bono is really full of crap, years ago he did a song with Luciano Pavarotti called 'Miss Sarajevo' which was beautiful, especially Pavarotti's singing for humanity against war, but last year Bono made a song comparing Zelensky to Saint Patrick and Jesus and he's helped put a smiley face on the worst imperial and corporate oligarch leaders of the west. He wishes to imagine this is making them act better, but they are getting worse and so Bono only succeeded in disillusioning real protest by stealing the stage and diluting the vital criticism of such criminals. I say this as an Irishman myself! 😂 maybe Bono could write a better song again, perhaps about the over 8 million forgotten ethnic Russian people in Ukraine who have been bombed, murdered, raped, tortured, kidnapped and terrorised by the deliberate consequences of the USA empire's 2014 anti ethnic coup to divide and overthrow a peaceful multi ethnic Ukraine society and pivot it as a means to an end against Russia, how about a 'Miss Sarajevo' song of the heart for these murdered and meligned minority peoples, under USA client fascist attack for the last 9 years of war sales? Bono should finally join the protests instead of trying to cancel them and turn the cameras on himself!❤️

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bill wolfe's avatar

As you note Walmart, I recall that Hillary was on the Walmart Board - destruction of local economies and jobs in the US was not enough. She expanded Walmart's global profits (for women and youth, of course!):

https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2012/04/13/walmart-u-s-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-and-the-inter-american-development-bank-partner-to-change-the-lives-of-women-and-youth

And Democrats, as made perfectly clear by Chuck Schumer in his "we gain 2 suburban republican votes for very working class rural vote", were perfectly happy presiding (literally) over the deindustrialization of America, beginning in the Carter Admin's first step Neoliberalism deregulation and privatization initiatives through Bill Clinton's devastation and Obama's Wall Street bailout. That corporate cash smells so much better than the former base of the party's dirty working class pitiful dough.

It's A Wonderful Live in reverse. Dems intentionally created Potterville.

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jamenta's avatar

Liz Pocahontas Warren, and all the rest of the phony ass progressives in their phony ass democratic party - ought to be sent to the front lines of Ukraine right now. To defend their fake CIA sponsored Ukrainian democracy along their Nazi saluting death battalions. Is anyone tired of this shit yet?

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Diamond Boy's avatar

The Democrats are far worse than the Republicans, because they are the party of political correctness. I guess what I’m saying is they are worse because of their sneaky masquerade: Ukrainian flag on a Prius . Dingbat conservatives just say it right out loud. Progressives hide it so very well.

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Landru's avatar

Thank you again Caitlin. The political smile of Pelosi tells all doesn't it. Evil people doing evil things, the real time horror story of our times. Run to the Light.

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Lisa Savage's avatar

But Caitlin isn't it fantastically progressive that two women got the job of saying these things?

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Jan's avatar

"I'll just say this honestly, that the Bush family, it's because of their humanity, their faith, their generosity of spirit, their compassion."

I can't believe Pelosi said this about *the Bush family*, whose fortune was built, among others, through collaboration with the Nazis (yes, the original ones from Hitler's Germany) using slave labour from concentration camps, including the most notorious one in Auschwitz.

Here's one article about the matter:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Pelosi is a warmonger that's why. And a criminal to boot.

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bill wolfe's avatar

It's class solidarity

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Contrarian 33's avatar

When one can see a person, yes a woman, yes a Democrat like Pelosi laying on bucketloads of unjustified, sickly praise on a man whose lying, criminal actions were responsible for over half a million children's deaths in Iraq, you know there is no hope for any change in humanity in the USA.

Past history would indicate that if a Democrat feels that such praise is justified, then what chance for a more realistic comment from what has always been in my lifetime the party that justifies wars and military expenditure, that is Republican, the party of Bush & Co.

The devil or the deep blue sea.

One as bad as the other in 2023. Right now one would have to say that Democrats are far more warlike than Republicans, more corrupt as well, but both paying total homage to their masters hiding away in Tel Aviv, represented in the US by hundreds of groups of Israelis, masquerading as Americans. Something of a joke over there. "Yes, we own America", known to all. Even more so now than in the days of Ariel Sharon.

On the other hand, we have seen Obama and the devil herself, Clinton on the Democrat team almost overshadow past Republican actions, confirming yet again that one party is as bad as the other. Women as well, seemingly no different at all.

What a collection of misfits...Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden with Trump and the devil herself, Clinton, gearing up for yet another tilt at the #1 job in 2024 before the empire collapses.

So where do you go to find an acceptable level of humanity. Certainly not to the USA. The United Nations? Hardly, managed as it is by the US. No options available, anywhere.

WWIII will be the only thing that will make a difference. Just around the corner. We all know that the false flags have been prepared, soon to be raised with Biden choosing one of his little NATO puppets to light the fuse....and take the consequences that follow.

Which one will win the ballot?

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Landru's avatar

I agree, end stage capitalism demands destruction. Demented Biden is the perfect tool surrounded by evil minions of the wealthy. Without a State Dept. there is no other option than greater war. CONgress believes they can win a nuclear war, they say it everyday in so many words. Now that NATO is out of weapons/ammunition there is little choice but to have a tool like Poland step the front line to replace Ukraine's loss of two armies. What proof NATO is out of equipment, the new u.s. order for Ukrainian weapons/ammunition will be filled by production delivery early 2024. Ukraine's defeat in Bakhmut has divided Ukraine's army into behind the defensive lines they have been creating since 2014. West of Bakhmut is a flat plane that will be used as a slaughter table all the way to Dnipro river. The question, will the Russian's take the port city of Zaporizhia blockading shipping or will the Russian's continue West driving North to Kyiv? I realize the Russian's have fought the war limiting civilian deaths unlike what we in the u.s. would have done. Ukraine is demanding NATO/u.s. troops which might depend on which direction Russia chooses? South taking Zaprizhia and Odessa will be the slow grind saving lives, North is nuclear war?

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