Is this actually still being argued about and discussed?
I think the more pressing issue to discuss is how all the people associated with Ed Sheeran have refused to perform with him because he caved to the Zionist lobby.
I get the impression that the public of the West is fed up with Israel. It appears that it's similar to 1854 when the USA public was through with slavery and formed the GOP. Six years later they were in power and the Whigs in the dumper.
That is correct. Nevertheless the South felt that slavery was so threatened that they went to extremes.
The importing of slaves had been against the law for about 50 years but wasn't enforced. The Republicans had the navy and would have used it to enforce the law by intercepting the slave ships. The reduced supply would have caused the price of slaves to rise. The war was to keep costs down, preserving their way of life. I also suspect that it let the plantation owners stop payment on their New York mortgages.
There was also an idea of the gvt. purchasing slaves and sending them off to Liberia.
If the South had been allowed to secede then the South and North would have continued in a state of continual war.
It was the stadium owner who refused to allow the show to perform with Macklemore. He is the owner of the New England Patriots, Robert Kraft, mega Zionist, and yes, in the files.
Strange then that the promotor hasn’t released a public statement about the reasons for terminating their contract with Macklemore. Instead, Sheeran felt he must respond, and his management did not double check the statement to limit his position to only matters he had control over, but allowed him to comment on matters of the promotor - almost like he is also the promotor, but for tax & liability reasons, he has separated the artist, promotion, music, employer, marketing etc functions into separate legal entities…🤔🤔🤔
this happened way back in 1964. For those who don't see how important it is for performers to refuse to participate in things like segregation and genocide.
yes, but it is important to recognize when we have made a little headway. Macklemore's actions onstage and then Sheeran's own band cancelling because of his (Sheeran's) greed and cowardice are all important steps in the right direction. That does not mean we have stopped talking about Gaza and the atrocities being committed by the IOF.
In 1964, the Beatles refused to play at a venue that wanted to segregate the audience. One side black, one side white. They refused to play for a segregated audience thus speeding up the desegregation law in Jacksonville, Florida.
Just like in every faith, there is a variety of different interpretations and justifications for actions that are blatantly immoral and evil. How many Holy Crusades did Christians go on during the Middle Ages? There is always some random one line quote from the bible - often taken out of context, or perversely interpreted to justify the most horrifying human acts possible.
That is not to say Secularists and Atheists are any better. They are not. The problem is psychological, not ideological. We humans need to evolve psychologically.
"...variety of different interpretations and justifications for actions that are blatantly immoral and evil"
Very true jamenta...
According to science, our human species has been on earth for at least 300,000 to 350,000 years (yes… that's three hundred and fifty thousand years!). Science may uncover an even longer existence... who knows.
Man-made/artificial organized religion has only been around for a little over 5,000 years harassing all of us with their fairy tales (yes, only five thousand). If we're going to survive as a species, we really really need to move on from this tiny (but totally irrational... certainly for where our human awareness is at this point in history) blip on the human species timeline.
This is classic subterfuge from the Jewish playbook, and I might add, a very good one steering the conversation away from the CURRENT GENOCIDE and unjustified punishment of someone who had the courage to speak out about Israeli war crimes. Let's stay on topic.
"The Jews are an ignorant and barbarous people, who have long united the most sordid avarice with the most detestable superstition and the most invincible hatred for every people by whom they are tolerated and enriched."
Shahid, your sentiments are noble, but the point here is you can generalize about a group of people, yet not mean every one of them. For instance, I may say a sporting team sucks, but that does not suggest that they all do, but rather, as a group they suck. The same applies to Jews.
Ironic that the genuine apologies come from those who really have no need to apologize, and those whose duplicitous narrative pushing demands apology would never consider issuing one, much less having it being genuine.
The same people routinely crying antisemitism routinely say things like Arabs are (racist comment) and Muslims are (hateful comment) without any consequences.
Mass boycott of the manipulative ones is the best solution. Never let them get away pretending to be something other than the hateful murderous souls they are.
If that dressing suit and the big nose wasn't a hint to a Jewish caricature... then a cloth on the head is not a hint to a Muslim caricature, since many country side Christian women wear it, also Jewish and other Orthodox women... right?
In a video, a woman and her two daughters mockingly cover their heads and dance to the lyrics: "This was my home, with no electricity or gas, was my home, and Ahmad's & Fatma's & Abed's & Salim's."
Sadly, Sheeran didn't have the courage to stand by his fellow artist. And his "I'm not complicit", on-the-fence, statement was appalling.
What really pissed me off, was his claim: "my audience includes young people, often children". Seriously? Tens of thousands of children have been massacred in Gaza, and he's worried that children might hear the words: "Free Palestine", at his concerts?
It's a huge misstep by Sheeran, and also makes you question his real beliefs regarding the genocide in Palestine. It looks like his decision may have far more repercussions than he might have imagined - even though he got to hold on to his lucrative stadium performances - for the time being.
My opinion is he should have chose differently. Thus I consider it a misstep. I don't think he made the right choice. I mean, many of us make wrong choices in our life. I think it can be especially cruel when one is a public figure.
You got that right, anything will do as long as it can be put in the "jews feeling unsafe" category. Frankly, I think isunraelhas done more to damage jews and make them feel unsafe than any other people anywhere. Jews didn't ask for their own state-zionists decided that because the jews were and are, useful pawns.
It's time for them, jews, to stand up and be counted, silence is taken as complicity, not by only the world population but by zionist israel, and ghat has to be set straight. You are either a jewish person who is with israel, or you're against it - you cannot be both.
Okay, that's one Jewish nobody accounted for. Now there are many prominent Jewish antizionists who I think we could mark down without them actually having to check in.
In a shocking turn of events, Ed Sheeran has just expelled Macklemore from an upcoming tour due to the latter’s support of Palestine. Though claiming to be ‘neutral’ about foreign wars, internet users have pointed out Sheeran’s outspoken support for Ukraine." https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/rabbis-and-nazis
See, one is a cause that The Empire applauds heartily. The other is not.
For an inspiring commentary on Macklemore see another presentation by another Australian C.J. Wereleman dated 9/16. Macklemore was supported by many artists who withdrew from playing at the concert.
There are so few stories about following through their rhetoric with effective action.
The criminal, Zionist, genocidal scum controlling corporate media, professional sports and the entertainment industry in the US have dropped their masks to reveal their true Nazi character to the world. And the world’s reaction is: “Boycott!” The false “Antisemite!” smears have lost all effect. The more they do this, the less people will take their bullshit seriously. It’s also the Streisand Effect on steroids.
Thank you for this. I especially appreciate the discussion around people raised in a Christian culture being expected to both understand & avoid using supposedly antisemitic tropes. Jumping on a person for not knowing this secret code of abuse is a genius way of shutting down genuine arguments & controlling the narrative.
I hope Macklemore goes on to find that there is a very wide world filled with people who agree with his words & support his opposition to genocide. I hope he's made contact with Roger Walters!
Better to be on the right side of history than on stage supporting a mediocre millionaire pop star!
You and Greta shouldn't have deleted your posts, in my opinion: you give the hasbarists a little win in doing so. After all, it's one's intentions that matter.
I agree. The only response to those who throw around the antisemitism charge, like Kraft and Greenblatt and Pink, is to pithily respond to said accusation with a simple, ‘Oh he/she is full of shit’.
Macklemore has used the most caring words for Jews in his speech, like "...my Jewish brothers and sisters..."!
It's impossible to do better!
But the defenders of Genocide are deceivers. THEY THINK IN TERMS OF PR SLIGHT. How to use ANYTHING to their advantage! - However, they prove how daft they are in trying to force public opinion by their desperate moves. The constant murdering of children in full view speaks louder than ANY twisted word play. They are losing.
Their cause is lost by their own hand. Hallelujah!
The mafia in TelAviv needs to be destroyed! TODAY!
At this point the calls of anti-Semitism are so fucking absurd that the word has lost all meaning. And now if you oppose genocide in ANY way, shape, or form, you're branded as an anti-Semite by the Hasbarists who are crawling all over the fucking internet right now. Just yesterday I made a fairly innocent comment on a Facebook article about Macklemore and was branded as an anti-Semite. To which I responded: If everyone is an anti-Semite, then no one is an anti-Semite.
Is this actually still being argued about and discussed?
I think the more pressing issue to discuss is how all the people associated with Ed Sheeran have refused to perform with him because he caved to the Zionist lobby.
I know. why even give credence to that statement knowing that they call everyone who disagrees with their genocidal ambitions antisemites?
I get the impression that the public of the West is fed up with Israel. It appears that it's similar to 1854 when the USA public was through with slavery and formed the GOP. Six years later they were in power and the Whigs in the dumper.
Actually, AFAICT, abolitionism was pretty fringe in 1860. Most humans, north as well as south, applauded the hanging of John Brown.
A little while later, they were singing songs in praise of Mr. Brown.
That is correct. Nevertheless the South felt that slavery was so threatened that they went to extremes.
The importing of slaves had been against the law for about 50 years but wasn't enforced. The Republicans had the navy and would have used it to enforce the law by intercepting the slave ships. The reduced supply would have caused the price of slaves to rise. The war was to keep costs down, preserving their way of life. I also suspect that it let the plantation owners stop payment on their New York mortgages.
There was also an idea of the gvt. purchasing slaves and sending them off to Liberia.
If the South had been allowed to secede then the South and North would have continued in a state of continual war.
Over to you Ed
Glad to hear this Rick.
Ed said it was the promoter. I have searched but can not find the name. Must be in the Epstein Files. Make Palestine Again.Mr Ed & others.
It was the stadium owner who refused to allow the show to perform with Macklemore. He is the owner of the New England Patriots, Robert Kraft, mega Zionist, and yes, in the files.
Strange then that the promotor hasn’t released a public statement about the reasons for terminating their contract with Macklemore. Instead, Sheeran felt he must respond, and his management did not double check the statement to limit his position to only matters he had control over, but allowed him to comment on matters of the promotor - almost like he is also the promotor, but for tax & liability reasons, he has separated the artist, promotion, music, employer, marketing etc functions into separate legal entities…🤔🤔🤔
I am so glad to hear that people are refusing to perform with Ed Sheeran. What a sellout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ZGSmqK5GQ
this happened way back in 1964. For those who don't see how important it is for performers to refuse to participate in things like segregation and genocide.
Indeed. See my comment here: https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/debunking-the-claim-that-macklemore/comment/338538796
yes, but it is important to recognize when we have made a little headway. Macklemore's actions onstage and then Sheeran's own band cancelling because of his (Sheeran's) greed and cowardice are all important steps in the right direction. That does not mean we have stopped talking about Gaza and the atrocities being committed by the IOF.
In 1964, the Beatles refused to play at a venue that wanted to segregate the audience. One side black, one side white. They refused to play for a segregated audience thus speeding up the desegregation law in Jacksonville, Florida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ZGSmqK5GQ
So they lied. Business as usual. If they told the truth about anything I'd be astonished.
As Zionazis breathe, they lie. It's their first instinct. God's chosen liars, of course, so It's ok. Fuck 'em all.
The Zionists have convinced themselves lying is a virtue. And killing little children is what God wants.
As I remember it, wasn't it God that told them to do it? Thus they are God's chosen people?
Just like in every faith, there is a variety of different interpretations and justifications for actions that are blatantly immoral and evil. How many Holy Crusades did Christians go on during the Middle Ages? There is always some random one line quote from the bible - often taken out of context, or perversely interpreted to justify the most horrifying human acts possible.
That is not to say Secularists and Atheists are any better. They are not. The problem is psychological, not ideological. We humans need to evolve psychologically.
"...variety of different interpretations and justifications for actions that are blatantly immoral and evil"
Very true jamenta...
According to science, our human species has been on earth for at least 300,000 to 350,000 years (yes… that's three hundred and fifty thousand years!). Science may uncover an even longer existence... who knows.
Man-made/artificial organized religion has only been around for a little over 5,000 years harassing all of us with their fairy tales (yes, only five thousand). If we're going to survive as a species, we really really need to move on from this tiny (but totally irrational... certainly for where our human awareness is at this point in history) blip on the human species timeline.
This is classic subterfuge from the Jewish playbook, and I might add, a very good one steering the conversation away from the CURRENT GENOCIDE and unjustified punishment of someone who had the courage to speak out about Israeli war crimes. Let's stay on topic.
"The Jews are an ignorant and barbarous people, who have long united the most sordid avarice with the most detestable superstition and the most invincible hatred for every people by whom they are tolerated and enriched."
François-Marie Arouet - Voltaire - (November 21, 1694 - May 30, 1778)
Gee! I wonder why Voltaire said such a thing...
- Voltaire -
dont do that, there's wonderful Jews too, they're just really hard to find in Israel
Shahid, your sentiments are noble, but the point here is you can generalize about a group of people, yet not mean every one of them. For instance, I may say a sporting team sucks, but that does not suggest that they all do, but rather, as a group they suck. The same applies to Jews.
you know what sucks for me? when people generalise about Muslims - and I've heard that shit my entire life, not to mention Pakistanis
so no, I dont agree with you at all
Well cited, Paul. Voltaire didn't hold back, eh!
Ironic that the genuine apologies come from those who really have no need to apologize, and those whose duplicitous narrative pushing demands apology would never consider issuing one, much less having it being genuine.
The same people routinely crying antisemitism routinely say things like Arabs are (racist comment) and Muslims are (hateful comment) without any consequences.
Mass boycott of the manipulative ones is the best solution. Never let them get away pretending to be something other than the hateful murderous souls they are.
Antizionistic, you mis-spelled 'souls'. It's 'arseholes'. Sorry for my pedantry.
You're right I meant ghouls
David, I would buy you a doughnut if I could, my friend, that was a good chuckle
Bravoooo!
If that dressing suit and the big nose wasn't a hint to a Jewish caricature... then a cloth on the head is not a hint to a Muslim caricature, since many country side Christian women wear it, also Jewish and other Orthodox women... right?
The gaslighting doesn't work anymore
Hello Adelle,
wow, didn't see you coming there, honestly... (!)
even the rabid anti defamation league accepted there wasn't malice from Macklemore, and thats saying something
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/20/macklemore-adl-antisemitism-row-costume
but sure, you go right ahead and prove Antizionitistics point....
Are you referring to this?
In a video, a woman and her two daughters mockingly cover their heads and dance to the lyrics: "This was my home, with no electricity or gas, was my home, and Ahmad's & Fatma's & Abed's & Salim's."
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-social-media-users-start-trend-mocking-gazan-suffering/3074088
If you're equating the two, then maybe you're suffering from projection.
Sadly, Sheeran didn't have the courage to stand by his fellow artist. And his "I'm not complicit", on-the-fence, statement was appalling.
What really pissed me off, was his claim: "my audience includes young people, often children". Seriously? Tens of thousands of children have been massacred in Gaza, and he's worried that children might hear the words: "Free Palestine", at his concerts?
It's a huge misstep by Sheeran, and also makes you question his real beliefs regarding the genocide in Palestine. It looks like his decision may have far more repercussions than he might have imagined - even though he got to hold on to his lucrative stadium performances - for the time being.
Why is it a misstep?
My opinion is he should have chose differently. Thus I consider it a misstep. I don't think he made the right choice. I mean, many of us make wrong choices in our life. I think it can be especially cruel when one is a public figure.
Morally or career wise?
How many antisemitic tropes that no-one else has ever heard of are out there?
You would almost think they were deliberately making them up after the event and then shoehorning it into the narrative to silence people
cos they're misantropes (couldnt resist)
You got that right, anything will do as long as it can be put in the "jews feeling unsafe" category. Frankly, I think isunraelhas done more to damage jews and make them feel unsafe than any other people anywhere. Jews didn't ask for their own state-zionists decided that because the jews were and are, useful pawns.
It's time for them, jews, to stand up and be counted, silence is taken as complicity, not by only the world population but by zionist israel, and ghat has to be set straight. You are either a jewish person who is with israel, or you're against it - you cannot be both.
Against it
Okay, that's one Jewish nobody accounted for. Now there are many prominent Jewish antizionists who I think we could mark down without them actually having to check in.
100%
These days, when I hear anybody talking about antisemitic incidents, or rising antisemitism, my gut instinct is not to take them seriously.
My gut instinct is to respond with an antisemitic response, as a natural reaction to the game these Zionists want to play.
But I don't, out of consideration for antizionist Jews (like myself).
It's a very safe way to bet.
In a shocking turn of events, Ed Sheeran has just expelled Macklemore from an upcoming tour due to the latter’s support of Palestine. Though claiming to be ‘neutral’ about foreign wars, internet users have pointed out Sheeran’s outspoken support for Ukraine." https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/rabbis-and-nazis
See, one is a cause that The Empire applauds heartily. The other is not.
Rather, and forgive me for being a pedant, Sheeran is *political* when it is safe to do so.
Hey, I just accused myself of pedantry in a comment here a few minutes ago.
(Although in my case, I might have stretched the meaning a little beyond where the word actually goes.)
For an inspiring commentary on Macklemore see another presentation by another Australian C.J. Wereleman dated 9/16. Macklemore was supported by many artists who withdrew from playing at the concert.
There are so few stories about following through their rhetoric with effective action.
Yes inspiring.
CJ Werleman is always worth reading/listening to.
https://www.patreon.com/cjwerleman/posts/macklemore-and-169662711
Thanks much
most welcome, your signposting was a great idea, I loved that article earlier today and had neglected to signpost it myself
The criminal, Zionist, genocidal scum controlling corporate media, professional sports and the entertainment industry in the US have dropped their masks to reveal their true Nazi character to the world. And the world’s reaction is: “Boycott!” The false “Antisemite!” smears have lost all effect. The more they do this, the less people will take their bullshit seriously. It’s also the Streisand Effect on steroids.
Thank you for this. I especially appreciate the discussion around people raised in a Christian culture being expected to both understand & avoid using supposedly antisemitic tropes. Jumping on a person for not knowing this secret code of abuse is a genius way of shutting down genuine arguments & controlling the narrative.
I hope Macklemore goes on to find that there is a very wide world filled with people who agree with his words & support his opposition to genocide. I hope he's made contact with Roger Walters!
Better to be on the right side of history than on stage supporting a mediocre millionaire pop star!
To repeat what you said for emphasis -> "Better to be on the right side of history than on stage supporting a mediocre millionaire pop star!!!! 💯
You and Greta shouldn't have deleted your posts, in my opinion: you give the hasbarists a little win in doing so. After all, it's one's intentions that matter.
Yes, I agree. They don't own the term bloodthirsty.
Next there'll be a claim that vampires are an anti-semite trope.
They already have:
https://www.heyalma.com/the-antisemitic-history-of-vampires/
Macklemore is the best. What he did has exposed so many Shit Stains.
Thanks Macklemore, good on you. Free Palestine.
People need to STOP DEFENDING THEMSELVES against being 'antisemitic'!!
Because THAT IS WHAT THE ACCUSATION is DESIGNED to DO!!
It's 'THEIR' GAME to WASTE TIME and DISTRACT!
I agree. The only response to those who throw around the antisemitism charge, like Kraft and Greenblatt and Pink, is to pithily respond to said accusation with a simple, ‘Oh he/she is full of shit’.
Macklemore has used the most caring words for Jews in his speech, like "...my Jewish brothers and sisters..."!
It's impossible to do better!
But the defenders of Genocide are deceivers. THEY THINK IN TERMS OF PR SLIGHT. How to use ANYTHING to their advantage! - However, they prove how daft they are in trying to force public opinion by their desperate moves. The constant murdering of children in full view speaks louder than ANY twisted word play. They are losing.
Their cause is lost by their own hand. Hallelujah!
The mafia in TelAviv needs to be destroyed! TODAY!
At this point the calls of anti-Semitism are so fucking absurd that the word has lost all meaning. And now if you oppose genocide in ANY way, shape, or form, you're branded as an anti-Semite by the Hasbarists who are crawling all over the fucking internet right now. Just yesterday I made a fairly innocent comment on a Facebook article about Macklemore and was branded as an anti-Semite. To which I responded: If everyone is an anti-Semite, then no one is an anti-Semite.