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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Apologists for US aggression everywhere are either vested interests or imbeciles - and perhaps they completely overlap. The evidence is overwhelming, there are libraries full of it, not to mention still living victims. But history is not on their side, and neither is the economy, which is about to disclose its secrets very candidly. If some believe barking at the moon is the solution, so be it.

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Merfy Mac's avatar

One of the things I don't understand is the liberal-synthetic left-regular citizen's disinterest in living true to the ideals they seem to profess. I get that many people are hypocrites or venal or greedy or power-hungry. Many but not most. Most people aren't evil. Most people don't want to live a lie, or have to lie to live, or have to believe lies to live as they believe...

So wtf is going on with overnight adoption of Ukraine flags or relentless neocon anti-China populism or obsession with the day's news gossip to the exclusion of anything that matters? Why don't people get bored of the bullshit?

Why don't people who want a better world - or a safer world - prioritize this decency when it comes to who they vote for, what they listen to, where they get their information? I don't get it.

The only answers are unsatisfactory. It's always generalizations, abstractions, dismissing individual agency to fit this or that group into some sweeping stereotype. I've never heard anyone nail why reality matters so little and fantasies matter so much. It's unnatural, even in the face of our vast propaganda machinery.

Oh well. If anyone can explain why - to give an example relevant today - nobody gives a f**k about nuclear omnicide; and yet spend hours every day consuming news, forming convictions, believing in good over evil; I'm all ears...

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Phillip's avatar

In a nutshell, because every attempt to organise/mobilise mass opposition to big business has been crushed. From the defeat of William Jennings Bryan and the arrest and imprisonment of Eugene Debbs the bosses have had it their own way. Good intentions are not worth a thing in the absence of widespread, organised, expressions of soldarity between ordinary people. The 'Left' today is a controlled opposition designed to misdirect the energies of people who seek change, the ideas/rhetoric of the 'Left' is essentially sentimental, rather than pragmatic.

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Lawyerlisa's avatar

Bots are the arbitrors of what is popular sentiment, the rest follows. Fact checkers and censorship remove popular opinion that may persuade. Logic therefore is banished to the more biological need to fit in the middle of the group, sheltered from danger. Witness the changing of the tide, the sheep will jump like hot tamales. So simple. Control, with great and gross efforts the speaking, and the biology of the accursed will damn them. Free speech is a right that speaks to our very human traits. Address this fully and the cabal will fall.

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JackSirius's avatar

If you are not already familiar with the term “mass formation” (sometimes called “mass formation psychosis”), you may want to search for it. The Belgian psychologist Mattias Desmet is the current best explainer of what it is. He’s all over YouTube (and Rumble) and well worth a little time.

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Lawyerlisa's avatar

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jamenta's avatar

Maybe none of it amounts to a hill of beans. They say it's all random anyway right? I mean - you and I are just random atoms that will soon disappear forever. That's what all the experts say ...

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Sounder's avatar

'I've never heard anyone nail why reality matters so little and fantasies matter so much.'

Because the whole of society and culture is based on the false premise that the spiritual and the physical are fundamentally different. Start with a fantasy and this is what we get.

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Phillip's avatar

I respectfully disagree. The real reason is much simpler: the overwhelming centrality of entertainment in our culture and in the daily lives of most people has reset the norms for thinking and experience itself. If they spend enough time every day in front of a tv screen people will come to prefer the soothing immersion in fantasy over reality of any kind. Intoxification and psycho-affective disablement by way of entertainment. Digital entertainment, supplemented by poor diet, lack of exercise, limited exposure to the natural world, disrupted sleep and drugs like cannabis produce a population that is zombified.

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John Pretty's avatar

What most people brought up in the Judeo-Christian traditions of the West do not seem to appreciate is that "good" and "evil" are subjective judgments.

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Andrew Pritchard's avatar

Maybe you will find a satisfactory explanation of human behaviour in the works of Slavoj Zizek and his followers.

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KW NORTON's avatar

When we as Americans divorce ourselves from the MSM, corporate-governments-institutional BS snd pay attention to what similarly independent and now divorced from the mainstream are thinking everything changes. It doesn’t take long for the circus being marketed by the mainstream begins to look fully ridiculous if not insane. The US however is not the only empire-mimicking fraud here.

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ChesterView's avatar

Exactly. This is why my first piece of life changing advice is to avoid the MSM. It is The Matrix and you will not see reality until you are divorced from it.

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J M Hatch's avatar

KMT and Taiwan are the rocks upon which the school of CIA/MIC-IMATT corruption were founded. The USA is always complaining about how China steals USA technology, but the USA here stole 5000 years of refining how to run a graft machine. Madam Chang, her brother-in-law and their families stole enough money from the funding sent into China to secure major shares in Texaco (Chevron), Chase Manhattan, etc. Madam Chang, Henry Luce, and the Dulles brothers created the model of the media circus, money laundry, weapons sales theft, human trafficking, drug smuggling, etc. that we see in it's refined form with USA in Afghanistan and Ukraine. Those Congress-beasts are just the latest in a long line of trough feeders sticking their snouts in to the slop.

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T. Paine's avatar

Yes the empire is corrupt, lacks any hint of conscience, but has spread itself so thin in its quest for global domination it has grown weaker. You seem to suggest China is without aspirations of global dominance just like the US. All governments should be feared but without any knowledge of history when the fear finally arrives it may arrive too late.

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jamenta's avatar

Odd how you go from Caitlin's sentence one can read above:

"Normal person: China's misdeeds have been greatly exaggerated by western propaganda and the US is quantifiably far more murderous and destructive." -Caitlin

to ...

"You seem to suggest China is without aspirations of global dominance..." -T Paine

And then you conclude a false equivalency between China and the US. I mean, for starters Mr. Paine: just compare the military budgets of China versus the US. I mean FOR FUCKS SAKE.

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T. Paine's avatar

For fucks sake? China was handed the critical tools, technology and knowledge of our bureaucracy through our Universities, corporations and government stupidity putting them in a position to dominate the US much quicker than any of these same entities expected. Your thinking of military budgets in 20th century terms and demonstrating your failure to consider how irrelevant boots on the ground or ships at sea has become. Nobody knows how many millions of its own citizens the Chinese have killed so making comparisons is comparing apples and oranges. I’m not defending our corrupt corporations, military or gov just recognizing the dependence our society relies on China for its continued existence. I’ve been in the military , held government positions know the stupidity, lies and corruption first hand and incompetence is the rule as clearly demonstrated for half a century and beyond. Yes our government is guilty of killing untold foreign lives and is quilts of spreading death across the globe and I condemn it. That does not mean I need to ignore the potential China has to seek revenge for past transgressions f it on the West. You also assume our bloated military budget is efficient and competently allocated and free from corruption which would be naive to assume based on results and MIC profits.

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J M Hatch's avatar

That you without pause or question drink CIA cool aid cooked up by Nazi employees is very American. There is no external cure for that addiction, you'll have to fix your compass yourself there. While that's damn unlikely, but not impossible.

I also guess you're okay with killing other countries citizens, for which no one can top the USA. Now, let's look at all that fiction you take as fact. Me, I figure that it is less abhorrent for a nation to kill it's own citizens since in some way they are responsible for the government. It's far more abhorrent to kill people who are innocent and have absolutely no agency at all just to steal and begger them. However, I can understand why you think that way, son of a country built on genocide and and empire maintained by it. It helps you sleep.

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T. Paine's avatar

You’re right I’m wrong. Your latest response is adversarial just like your original post. If you had read anything I wrote you would know I feel much more sympathy for the thousands killed by the US than the fools who claimed they were spreading democracy. To suggest I’ve drank the CIA cool-aid is absurd.

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John Pretty's avatar

But who is telling you that China seeks global domination?

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T. Paine's avatar

Have you followed Chinas global investment strategy? The logical consequences of a country powerful enough to challenge the US would be foolish not to take advantage of the opportunity. There is no guaranty China will be successful in dominating the planet but empires follow a consistent cycle, Ray Dario’s “The Changing World Order” is one voice recognizing Chinas opportunity to dominate the planet.

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J M Hatch's avatar

Do you fear the government of your family, and do others in the family fear? family, tribe, nation, all are social creations.

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T. Paine's avatar

Families may be based on a hierarchy but it’s a stretch to consider it a government with the power of incarceration and death. Yes all groups of humans are social creations the alternative is anti social and solitude. I don’t see your point.

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John Pretty's avatar

Why should China desire global dominance?

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ikester8's avatar

The last sentence reminds me of Bastiat's essay, What Is Seen and What Is Not Seen. Peace pays plenty, if only because resources and thought aren't being spent on destruction. All military expenditure falls under the Broken Window Fallacy.

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peggy bean's avatar

Since virtually everything we buy in the USA is made in China, how can we ever de-couple?

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ikester8's avatar

We can't without impoverishing ourselves. The Russian sanctions proved that. Europe is plunging into an energy nightmare and it's only going to get worse.

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rich's avatar

the only thing the empire has left is its military...which is of no use against the combined forces of Russia and China...the ruse is up...the end of the empire is nigh...the only remaining question is will Dr. Strangelove turn from fiction to reality...https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/creativity-entrepreneurship-and-other-american-myths/

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William Paul's avatar

Pfizer thinks they can make money out of "health," but what they did was create a poisonous shot that some people like RFK, Jr., and others estimate injure or kill 1 to 4% of every person who gets it. Pfizer doesn't care about human life.

The shot, and the lockdowns, and all of the restrictions on freedom of speech and assembly were the greatest infringement on freedom, worldwide, since WWII or Communism.

Governments in general in the last 100 years have killed over 262,000,000 people according to Professor RJ Rummel.

Caitlin is right about many things. It would be nice to get her take on the poison death shot, the unnecessary lockdowns that impoverished hundreds of millions of people--and which will lead to millions of deaths due to starvation. And to the oppressors who would like to reduce the world population to half a billion people, which they justify with their heavy propaganda of "climate change."

I am so sick of people promoting war against Russia, against China, and war against the people of the world. The propaganda always says its for our own good, too, as they take away our livelihood, and our ability to not live under the shadow of death.

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ChesterView's avatar

It is surprising how selective the outrage is concerning the vaccines. For anyone that does even a modest amount of investigation, it becomes clear that these shots are killing an incredible number of people and harming innumerable others, most outrageously children.

This is pitchforks and torches in the street level stuff, yet there is notable silence, or at best equivocation, amongst our most reliable ‘truth to power’ observers. Caitlin comes to mind, as does Taibbi, Greenwald, and Rogan.

I am at a loss to account for it but I think at least part of the reason is that they are aware of the unscrupulous nature of the forces lined up against them. Big Pharma does kill people and not just with needles. As does our government.

It takes a great deal of bravery to stand against it.

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J M Hatch's avatar

Not really, it's chicken shit to rage about shots. It's dangerous to organize against Washington, and even more dangerous to organize against Wall Street. On the other hand, the world is full of living, even thriving anti-vacs.

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John Pretty's avatar

Caitlin explained why she has not written about the covid vaccines in detail in a comment a couple of days ago.

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ChesterView's avatar

Interesting. Did not know that. Will try to find it.

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Ross Faris's avatar

Things you CAN make money from:

Peace (which MUST give us a free global marketplace).

The Biosphere and environment

Health (again through the free market, innovation and competition).

And………… Energy

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jamenta's avatar

-Exploitative slave wages

-Political speeches for Wallstreet Executives

-Drone manufacturing

-Private Information culling: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram

-Big Pharma Drugs

-Goldman Sachs Pyramid Schemes

-USAAF Fighter jets that never fly

-$7 dollar a gallon oil monopolies/collusion

-Rent extortion in LA

-Billions to Ukraine that disappear ...

-Being the son of Joe Biden

-Becoming POTUS like Trump

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Ross Faris's avatar

That’s not a response, it’s a tsunami. I can’t address all this. I would like to. But you’re obviously just hunting for combat. I’m not the one.

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jamenta's avatar

Oh I forgot about the excellence of "privatization"! And all the good it brings to ordinary people.

-Privatizing public schools

-Privatizing the post office

-Privatizing the roads

-Privatizing the police

-Privatize former public land

-Privatize parks

Hey privatize whatever we mofos can get our hands on and make a tidy profit from.

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ChesterView's avatar

Anyone who consumes MSM is engaging in self harm.

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Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

Ain't nobody gonna make no money from world war four

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Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

I m Russian too

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Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zNtSsBJUCZM

this one from pre IsoLa, sans bass, oh well...

the Rule of Freedom is meant to be...

another fine piece of Russian music, (in Englishkie...)

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june tenth's avatar

war is always between the rich / exploitative 1% and the poor / exploited 99% across borders and times, not between religions, races, states, nations, continents, civilizations, sexes, or anything else.

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Lutz Barz's avatar

There are those who know, your comments and your commentators and the majority who stare at screens in their spare time. I'm not elitist. I'm too lazy to waste time pretending anything but somehow being so isolated feels great. Except when they tell you what they believe and it isn't the bottle talking cause they haven't got the bottle to back up the digital bilge they froth their skulls with. It's interesting the Amerikans [that is the correct European spelling] are rather normal. I wonder who the media as gabbing to.

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ChesterView's avatar

I have looked and cannot find this post. Can you provide a link or a title? Thanks.

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Kevin's avatar

The use of the word Neocons, is laughable. As if these tyrants have any political affiliation at all.

A conservative usually thinks stuff through and doesnt jump on new ideas. War is not in the best interests of conservatives. Joe Biden is a warmongering pig, but not a conservative.

The red herrings thrown out by these "profit at all costs lizard people" are astounding.

Mar a lago raid is one. The southern border is another. The crime rate. Inflation. All created by these monsters to enable more profit.

It is our definitions that put the people against each other and we then forget who the real enemy is.

Food for thought.

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