"They" is the most abused word in the language. It is the core concept of stereotypes and leads us not to oppose but to assume that since "they all" do the same, there is no point in choosing those who oppose wars, who vote against the defense bills, against sending arms to Israel. To adopt such a narrative is to surrender to the enemy.
A full OCC shining through Dale! Oh and I'll not read any reply, let that sit and annoy your OCC, suggest a few therapy sessions might help you because if you've not understood the creation of the American, British, French etc., administrations over the last 100+ years then you've stuck your OCC head in a toilet somewhere!
Gotta argue on that one. A waste of skin would be someone who contributes nothing, a nonentity. Dick Cheney was far from that. He contributed so much evil, the world is a significantly worse place than if he'd never been born.
Well, as I've written elsewhere, Rumsfeld now has someone to talk to in the George W. Bush Section of the Special Places in Hell Wing of the netherworld. Reservations still being held for Dumbya, of course, as well as National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, CIA Director George Tenet, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, formerly the top US commander in Iraq, and Gen. Geoffrey Miller, former commander of the US military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Lower tier but just as culpable war criminals include Attorney General John Ashcroft, as well as the lawyers who crafted the legal “justifications” for torture, including Alberto Gonzales (counsel to the president and later attorney general), Jay Bybee (head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC)), John Rizzo (acting CIA general counsel), David Addington (counsel to the vice president), William J. Haynes II (Department of Defense general counsel), and John Yoo (deputy assistant attorney general in the OLC).
This is a terrific list. If you are keeping a list of monsters from that era, here are a few additions: Colin Powell, Paul Wolfowitz, and Paul Bremmer. Great job!👏
Colin Powell... Could have changed history, maybe even have brought down the American Empire, if he had instead said at the UN, "What I just related to you is a crock, contrived by the Bush administration to justify an illegal invasion of Iraq." He caved instead.
For a brief, naive moment at the time, I thought he'd at least dissent from the Dumbya/Cheney agenda, having such an image of rectitude, but it turned out to be just that, an image. No reason to hold he didn't get to his position in the military-industrial-congressional complex without being very much a part of it and the overall establishment.
Drumpf, his family and don't forget his son-in-law, and all the incompetents in over their heads by a mile - having the audacity to take money for being useless to the country that didn't vote them in. Of course, Musk and satanyahu must have a hot spot waiting fof them too. Then there's Starmer, Lammy, Blair......... with this lot and more, hell better be a huge place because we haven't touched Oz yet.
Beautiful. Exactly how I feel. Sad he didn’t die in prison, happy he’s dead. The planet is better off without him, notwithstanding there are plenty of other monsters carrying out his evil mission.
It is possibly the greatest number of individuals killed anywhere from the actions of one man, AND ALL THOSE THAT SUPPORTED HIS CAUSE, approved all the way by a weak and pathetic President from a once respected country.
Somewhere, mois78, some journalist, somewhere, one with a sense of decency who does not work for the Western media, will identify the almost exact number of deaths in that shameful exercise.
It is there somewhere and will be printed and proven this week.
It is almost impossible to imagine, his actions in partnership with so many others including that arch criminal Wolfowitz, all remaining free as a breeze until the day they die. In the olden days, any crime of 1 /10,00th of this one would warrant a public death for all to see and all to understand. Not today. Money has created a world where all of our shocking values are shot to hell and accepted as the norm.
Now that, America, is the real crime and your country is full of the likes of those two, in every corridor in your capital, occupying 86% of your seats in government, filling positions of power in the FBI, the criminal CIA, the military and so many elected politicians and as we know now, supporting the current unbelievable crime in Palestine.
How did all this happen? How did a country lose all its values?
The key is, as Caitlin keeps saying, Who controls the narrative controls the world. These monsters have been working to get all power in their hands since the Powell Memo spelled it out in the 1970s. They took the culture wars, which had been simmering since the 1960s, and used the tools of the internet and algorithms to work a bellow on those embers, blow it up into a major schism, herding us into two camps, training our guns on each other instead of our mutual enemy, the billionaires and the sociopaths who serve them. Add in the attraction of so many white people with an inferiority complex, a sense that the US has no real culture of its own, and they were happy to embrace racism, American exceptionalism, and then the Christian Zionists, the Rapture Ready cultists...it's all embarrassing, that such a high percentage of a large country could be so stupid/crazy, but a lot of it is manipulation, by those with unlimited finds to hire psychological and PR experts...
Today, between you and Caitlin, it's all there.....for all to read and hopefully understand.
Adding in a few other items around the same time such as USS Liberty, Johnson's call back of the Air Force when they went to save an American ship from Jewish bombing, the tolerance and knowledge of the USA to Israel's nuclear build up and the very very obvious move by the Israelites and their tame wealthy puppets on US soil to buy up the Western media by the bucketload.
That put the seal on all of what we have today.
Undoing all those tight ropes? How? Beyond my imagination....but it has to happen and it won't progress one inch until all the 86% of the fully paid for Israeli supporting politicians in the exceptional USA (the disloyalists) realise that the country they had in the 1960's under Kennedy was the last example of what America was supposed to be.
A long time ago.
Now on its knees, run by money and a hated foreign state.
Fine comment Rhys - but we didn't really have good values from the beginning - we genocided the indigenous peoples living here from the time we landed on the shores, then made up reasons why this was/is OK - and here we are down the timeline, unwittingly, the next victims of the ruthless empire that is also ruining our planet - all of it before our very eyes. I am grateful for you and others on this thread (and others like it) that see it for what it is and call it out - that's why I am here - to bear witness and give voice to truth. Thank you for being here - Be well. "Money has created a world where all of our shocking values are shot to hell and accepted as the norm."
Yes, John. I come from a country that also gave the indigenous people hell for over 125 years. Still a touch of these days as well.
One should never ignore the cleverness of the media in whatever form it is viewed. My comment is based on the early movies out of the USA with the cruel, hated Indian races, killing the poor white settlers.
If those who chose war over diplomacy still have to be leading at the front, there would be far less wars because most of them are bullies and bullies are cowards. It's the young men who have to give their lives so warmongers get to play at war but fare from the fighting and totally safe
He died? I don’t celebrate the deaths of serial killers. His death is a remembrance of his victims, and victims of his legacy. Funny, I can’t remember what party he was in but I remember whose lives were torn apart in the wars he cried for.
I don't think that the average American would have a clue as to what those numbers are. They are staggering. Then one has to add the children's deaths due to the lack of medications and care during the same period.
It is a crime without equal. Then, let us consider Cheney and his involvement in Afghanistan as well. There is no end to America's crimes, probably over 20 million since the end of WWII.
The world has also tolerated 750 US military bases throughout the world.
Democracy Now! had good coverage of his legacy and death. When Cheney was asked whether he would change how the ran the Iraq War, he essentially said: NOTHING. He's another architect of regime change much like Kissinger. No tears wasted on this cold-blooded killer who worked for American hegemony and when necessary vengeance. The primary fear I had after 911 was that the USA would become vengeful. restrictions on the free press reporting on US invasions for power and profit. I was wise to be fearful and watched this insanity grow.
The NYT obituary talks about Cheney playing a key role in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but somehow, it fails to mention how he force fed a false narrative of Iraq possessing WMDs to the President and the media. Some of us who were paying attention remember how the Times accepted and aggressively spread that narrative in order to build a consensus for war. In essence, they were partners in crime with Darth Vader.
Agreed . Died alone in a cage. And reborn as a starving baby who has no chance of life due to capitalism and oppression of the masses for the riches of the freaks like him.
He was a war criminal. He should be remembered as such.
"The only thing sad about Dick Cheney’s death is that it did not happen inside an Iraqi prison."
- Alan MacLeod
They all do the same things, wage war on the people of other countries.
But Cheney was so unrepentant, so smug in his warmongering that he's in a special class of warpigs.
"They" is the most abused word in the language. It is the core concept of stereotypes and leads us not to oppose but to assume that since "they all" do the same, there is no point in choosing those who oppose wars, who vote against the defense bills, against sending arms to Israel. To adopt such a narrative is to surrender to the enemy.
A full OCC shining through Dale! Oh and I'll not read any reply, let that sit and annoy your OCC, suggest a few therapy sessions might help you because if you've not understood the creation of the American, British, French etc., administrations over the last 100+ years then you've stuck your OCC head in a toilet somewhere!
Ad hominem smear...yawn.
Cheney was an absolute piece of
shit ,as far as humans go
And a waste of skin.
Gotta argue on that one. A waste of skin would be someone who contributes nothing, a nonentity. Dick Cheney was far from that. He contributed so much evil, the world is a significantly worse place than if he'd never been born.
Hear ya, a despicable, not even a human Being !!!! But Karma is a terrible bitch !!!!
Well, as I've written elsewhere, Rumsfeld now has someone to talk to in the George W. Bush Section of the Special Places in Hell Wing of the netherworld. Reservations still being held for Dumbya, of course, as well as National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, CIA Director George Tenet, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, formerly the top US commander in Iraq, and Gen. Geoffrey Miller, former commander of the US military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Lower tier but just as culpable war criminals include Attorney General John Ashcroft, as well as the lawyers who crafted the legal “justifications” for torture, including Alberto Gonzales (counsel to the president and later attorney general), Jay Bybee (head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC)), John Rizzo (acting CIA general counsel), David Addington (counsel to the vice president), William J. Haynes II (Department of Defense general counsel), and John Yoo (deputy assistant attorney general in the OLC).
Hot time in the old town tonight!
+ wolfowitz & feith
[head smack emoji] How could I neglect those two gems...?
Kissinger is probably at the head of the table.
This is a terrific list. If you are keeping a list of monsters from that era, here are a few additions: Colin Powell, Paul Wolfowitz, and Paul Bremmer. Great job!👏
Colin Powell... Could have changed history, maybe even have brought down the American Empire, if he had instead said at the UN, "What I just related to you is a crock, contrived by the Bush administration to justify an illegal invasion of Iraq." He caved instead.
That is a great point. I don’t think he will get a chapter in Profiles of Courage.
For a brief, naive moment at the time, I thought he'd at least dissent from the Dumbya/Cheney agenda, having such an image of rectitude, but it turned out to be just that, an image. No reason to hold he didn't get to his position in the military-industrial-congressional complex without being very much a part of it and the overall establishment.
Powell cut his teeth doing his part to cover up the My Lai massacre.
Was not aware... further sordidness.
NEWT Gingrich
Jenny, “Neutered Gingrich” 😁
Richard Perle. Robert Kagan.
And the list goes on...
Drumpf, his family and don't forget his son-in-law, and all the incompetents in over their heads by a mile - having the audacity to take money for being useless to the country that didn't vote them in. Of course, Musk and satanyahu must have a hot spot waiting fof them too. Then there's Starmer, Lammy, Blair......... with this lot and more, hell better be a huge place because we haven't touched Oz yet.
sigh. This is why I say, I don't believe in Hell, but I can see why it was invented--because theres a need for it.
Major expansion plans are in order.
Maybe they can get the company building the White House Ballroom to do it.
Now that's a thought... Maybe even dupe some of those corporate donors to pay for it, a good many of them belong in it too.
Beautiful. Exactly how I feel. Sad he didn’t die in prison, happy he’s dead. The planet is better off without him, notwithstanding there are plenty of other monsters carrying out his evil mission.
He got away with it. And lived to be 80+. While those whos lives were destroyed were being abused by letting this fart opening live his happy life.
Its sick that he was never held accountable for such a long time.
Correction, Caitlin.
He shoulda died at the hands of a firing squad.
Or hanged, like the Nazis at Nuremberg.
Loam,
Or drawn and quartered.
No… a firing squad is too swift. He deserved suffering and humiliation, enhanced interrogation techniques:
• being subjected to repeated water boarding
• being shackled, naked with snarling dogs nearby
• being caged in a bare cell weeks on end with a putrid
hole in the ground for his bodily waste
Firing rubber bullets. A very big firing squad, lots of rubber bullets.
Stoned, would save on special rifles 🫢
Cheney is burning in hell for all the killings and human suffering he caused.
I generally don't believe in hell, but, in this instance, I will make an exception, for the appropriately named, now deceased -- D I C K. Adios
mois78 ...and the numbers are staggering.
It is possibly the greatest number of individuals killed anywhere from the actions of one man, AND ALL THOSE THAT SUPPORTED HIS CAUSE, approved all the way by a weak and pathetic President from a once respected country.
Somewhere, mois78, some journalist, somewhere, one with a sense of decency who does not work for the Western media, will identify the almost exact number of deaths in that shameful exercise.
It is there somewhere and will be printed and proven this week.
It is almost impossible to imagine, his actions in partnership with so many others including that arch criminal Wolfowitz, all remaining free as a breeze until the day they die. In the olden days, any crime of 1 /10,00th of this one would warrant a public death for all to see and all to understand. Not today. Money has created a world where all of our shocking values are shot to hell and accepted as the norm.
Now that, America, is the real crime and your country is full of the likes of those two, in every corridor in your capital, occupying 86% of your seats in government, filling positions of power in the FBI, the criminal CIA, the military and so many elected politicians and as we know now, supporting the current unbelievable crime in Palestine.
How did all this happen? How did a country lose all its values?
The key is, as Caitlin keeps saying, Who controls the narrative controls the world. These monsters have been working to get all power in their hands since the Powell Memo spelled it out in the 1970s. They took the culture wars, which had been simmering since the 1960s, and used the tools of the internet and algorithms to work a bellow on those embers, blow it up into a major schism, herding us into two camps, training our guns on each other instead of our mutual enemy, the billionaires and the sociopaths who serve them. Add in the attraction of so many white people with an inferiority complex, a sense that the US has no real culture of its own, and they were happy to embrace racism, American exceptionalism, and then the Christian Zionists, the Rapture Ready cultists...it's all embarrassing, that such a high percentage of a large country could be so stupid/crazy, but a lot of it is manipulation, by those with unlimited finds to hire psychological and PR experts...
Well stated, Mary.
Today, between you and Caitlin, it's all there.....for all to read and hopefully understand.
Adding in a few other items around the same time such as USS Liberty, Johnson's call back of the Air Force when they went to save an American ship from Jewish bombing, the tolerance and knowledge of the USA to Israel's nuclear build up and the very very obvious move by the Israelites and their tame wealthy puppets on US soil to buy up the Western media by the bucketload.
That put the seal on all of what we have today.
Undoing all those tight ropes? How? Beyond my imagination....but it has to happen and it won't progress one inch until all the 86% of the fully paid for Israeli supporting politicians in the exceptional USA (the disloyalists) realise that the country they had in the 1960's under Kennedy was the last example of what America was supposed to be.
A long time ago.
Now on its knees, run by money and a hated foreign state.
Yes....... stupid/crazy.
Fine comment Rhys - but we didn't really have good values from the beginning - we genocided the indigenous peoples living here from the time we landed on the shores, then made up reasons why this was/is OK - and here we are down the timeline, unwittingly, the next victims of the ruthless empire that is also ruining our planet - all of it before our very eyes. I am grateful for you and others on this thread (and others like it) that see it for what it is and call it out - that's why I am here - to bear witness and give voice to truth. Thank you for being here - Be well. "Money has created a world where all of our shocking values are shot to hell and accepted as the norm."
Yes, John. I come from a country that also gave the indigenous people hell for over 125 years. Still a touch of these days as well.
One should never ignore the cleverness of the media in whatever form it is viewed. My comment is based on the early movies out of the USA with the cruel, hated Indian races, killing the poor white settlers.
Yes, me, as well. How terribly wrong.
If those who chose war over diplomacy still have to be leading at the front, there would be far less wars because most of them are bullies and bullies are cowards. It's the young men who have to give their lives so warmongers get to play at war but fare from the fighting and totally safe
I love how you think😂❤️💕
For those who believe, he's all involved with the flames of justice right now.
He died? I don’t celebrate the deaths of serial killers. His death is a remembrance of his victims, and victims of his legacy. Funny, I can’t remember what party he was in but I remember whose lives were torn apart in the wars he cried for.
Susan,
I don't think that the average American would have a clue as to what those numbers are. They are staggering. Then one has to add the children's deaths due to the lack of medications and care during the same period.
It is a crime without equal. Then, let us consider Cheney and his involvement in Afghanistan as well. There is no end to America's crimes, probably over 20 million since the end of WWII.
The world has also tolerated 750 US military bases throughout the world.
They must end.
Democracy Now! had good coverage of his legacy and death. When Cheney was asked whether he would change how the ran the Iraq War, he essentially said: NOTHING. He's another architect of regime change much like Kissinger. No tears wasted on this cold-blooded killer who worked for American hegemony and when necessary vengeance. The primary fear I had after 911 was that the USA would become vengeful. restrictions on the free press reporting on US invasions for power and profit. I was wise to be fearful and watched this insanity grow.
The NYT obituary talks about Cheney playing a key role in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but somehow, it fails to mention how he force fed a false narrative of Iraq possessing WMDs to the President and the media. Some of us who were paying attention remember how the Times accepted and aggressively spread that narrative in order to build a consensus for war. In essence, they were partners in crime with Darth Vader.
Robert, would one expect anything less from the Joo Yawk Times?
Name a war that the NYT has NOT cheered for.
Thank You Caitlin
Agreed . Died alone in a cage. And reborn as a starving baby who has no chance of life due to capitalism and oppression of the masses for the riches of the freaks like him.
Have his ceremony next to a cliff and edge the mourners to visit him.
Perfectly said, thank you Caitlin.
Who is the last presidential candidate Dick Cheney endorsed?
Kamala Harris