The Kirk devotees who urge civility in the face of their hero's demise were the same people who openly guffawed when Anas-al-Sharif was killed. They started calling him a "Hamas terrorist" no sooner had the news of his killing come out. And they guffawed at the death of every single Palestinian, including the 380,000 children below 5 years of age. If it is right when you do it, it is right when they do it. And if it is wrong when they do it, it is wrong when you do it. Simple as that.
Civility is most defintly NOT called for for anyone with a brain. Civility won't stop the genocide in Gaza. Civility won't down the US empire. Civility won't stop the capitalist depredation of recources around the world. Calling things by their names and acting accordingly will. Charles Kirk was a genocidal, racist, sexist, paid hatemonger steaming piece of crap. That is facts.
I’m more than happy to accept Jewish anti-Zionists in our ranks.
But Einbinder’s quote makes me skeptical of their actual intentions in putting on an “anti-Zionist” charade.
“It is my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel.”
It occurs to me that their anti Zionism is not motivated by Palestinian suffering at the hands of Jewish colonists - instead it is motivated by the fear of being linked to bad press and trying to sidestep the hate they know they’ve got coming.
They have no care for the plight of the Palestinians. Instead, recognising that the Goyim are waking up to their tricks, they cynically seek to “distinguish themselves” from their communities behaviour and the Jewish ethnostate.
It took courage for her to stand in front of an entire auditorium and say Free Palestine and I give her credit for that. I hope more Jews in the entertainment business will show as much courage but I doubt it.
The one who really stood firmly on principle was Javier Bardeim who unequivocally condemned Zionists and the slaughter in Gaza. There was no “this could hurt the image of Judism” — straightforward condemnation and a refusal to work with any studio that supports it. That took courage especially surrounded by suck-ups who never stood up for anything in their lives.
I don’t know how you know. I thought that her explanation was instructive for many torn westerners who are schtum for a host of reasons. Every westerner needs to distinguish between a religion, an ethnicity and policy of mass murder. To say what she said in the land of the sponsors of the genocide is courageous.
Just noting she seems more concerned about shielding Jews from the hatred that would naturally result from the Jewish state committing a genocide under the Star of David, than she is concerned about Palestinians starving
On face value it comes about two years of silence later than the ICJ made a declaration that Israel was likely committing genocide and demanding that they stop - and asking everyone to help stop israel.
What was she doing during that time?
Or better put, how much money has she collected from work awared by zionist media moguls during that time?
No, not a "very weird extrapolation there," but very pertinent points worth examining. Case in point - last month or so, J Street - you know, AIPAC-lite - issued a statement, now nearly two years late, on Forward.com, essentially saying the situation in Gaza - can't recall for sure, but don't think they even used the word "genocide" - must come to an end not only for the horrors, but because the hostages need to be returned, and overall it's making Jews look bad.
Oh, and those protesters against Netanyahu in Israel? More about sham interest in the release of the hostages than the barbarity over the past 23 months in Gaza, right?
I think there are some Jews who say "Not in our name" who actually don't want people worldwide to hate them personally from what's going on in Gaza but is still is a win-win for the Palestinian cause because it gets the message out there.
"But...but...but it is just WRONG to criticize a dead person".... Except Kirk in has no problem in calling George Floyd "a scumbag" after Floyd was choked to death while pleading for mercy by a cop.
I feel empathy, not for him but for his kids. Unlike him, of course, who didn’t possess a shred of empathy for the hundreds of thousands of orphaned kids, or hundreds of thousands of murdered and wounded kids, in Gaza. Or the thousands of kids who have had their parents abducted by masked men and bundled into unmarked ICE vehicles with no idea if or when they’ll ever be reunited. Or the thousands of kids who have had their families broken up by Joe Biden’s racist Crime Bill, which the right has been more than happy to implement. Or the underage girls who will/would be forced to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth even when raped, under new Republican State laws. All of the above saw Kirk cheering them on. Which brings me back to his kids - he even said he’d force (his words) his own ten year old daughter to have the baby even if she was raped. They’re better off without him. Having to grow up with such a hateful, cruel, father would undoubtedly make them into psychologically damaged individuals as adults.
Their mother is his biggest cheerleader and she's using his demise to egg people on into further and more violent and virulent fascism as proof of their loyalty to him.
Completely agree. But don’t forget this is the culture that gave the convicted pedo Roman Polanski a standing ovation at the Oscars, abetted or turned a blind eye to Harvey “the Pig” for decades, and were pals with Epstein - see Ricky Gervais.
Anyone looking to Hollywood for moral guidance needs ECT.
If the media was doing its job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If our politicians were doing their job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If the UN was doing its job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If International Law was doing its job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If decency and humanity and honour still mattered, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. It's great that some do. It's great that they are prepared to risk their careers rather than be seen as kowtowing racist genocidal scumbags. But never forget all the vilely-awful shekel grabbing soul-selling silent low lives whose actual job it is to speak up. To be outraged. To fan flames of utter disgust. To sound alarms when greed tempts propaganda-addled people into bloody savagery. Israel has certainly made the world contemptible, never forget how contemptible the institutions that serve it have made themselves too.
Yes, these vacillating vassals of states - the politicians of the World - no principles|, no values| just agendas$ given to them by their blackmailers / unelected handlers.
Going back to love… I also love those everyday good people (almost always women) who call out this subgroup of heinous humanity with their unanswerable questions loaded with raw truth.
When enough citizens rise up against the zionist state's murderous atrocities, Israhell will collapse into the dustbin of history. Currently, they still have carte blanche to meddle and murder where they please. Perhaps more celebrities will overcome their fear of the zionist-controlled entertainment industry. Hannah Einbinder certainly did!
I would like to be able to see the future and Netanyahu sitting in the big chair at the ICJ squirming and sweating when the Judges find him GUILTY of Genocide and crimes against Humanity.
Ken, and that’s all well and good, but really, who are celebrities? Just folks who got lucky, if one considers being famous “lucky”.
And Hannah (who until now is someone I’ve never personally heard of) is ONE of how many so-called “celebrities” who called out a genocide… who cares? It’s up to We The People to rise up against our fascist government here in Amerikkka and get AIPAC out of it.
We all know who holds the purse strings in HOLLYWEIRD. These people, like their counterparts in DC, worship money, fame, and power—human dignity be damned. That place isn’t just a cesspool; it’s an epicenter of moral rot. And don’t kid yourself: this isn’t about “Right” versus “Left.” Those labels are just smoke and mirrors. The people at the top don’t serve either side—they serve themselves. Their game is simple: keep the rest of us fighting over scraps while they plot to dominate, control, and eventually erase anyone outside their circle.
When Cillian Murphy won his Oscar, I was really hoping he'd open his mouth and finally say something, anything about genocide. But silence. Hollywood rewards and expects silence. None of these people are worth the time and attention so many of us give them.
They shamelessly cheer the death of anyone brown. They support the murder of Palestinian children. They gleefully promote assassination on sovereign lands. Now they cry victim and accuse YOU of being beneath them. Fuck them. They are all racist, hypocrites with no morality.
This clip is very telling. https://youtube.com/shorts/HLIwVzzZ3X4?feature=shared the left / Right; Democrat /Republican paradigm is worthless as it creates More Division. Americans must face the truth!! Both are parties of the same Fascist government. To change it requires NON support. Waiting for an election to hopefully remove Dual citizenship and traitors who Take AIPAC money, Such treachery deserves instant ACTION. From the President ($250 million from AIPAC affiliates) Vance and all the others. Immediate removal. Don't forget the state government and local too. Essentially The " Declaration Of Independence" invoked against the treason by corrupt elected officials. This Terrorist country of Zionist murderers has controlled the US and our Military too long. Voting is insanity. Doing the same thing expecting different results. That is how we got HERE.
The Kirk devotees who urge civility in the face of their hero's demise were the same people who openly guffawed when Anas-al-Sharif was killed. They started calling him a "Hamas terrorist" no sooner had the news of his killing come out. And they guffawed at the death of every single Palestinian, including the 380,000 children below 5 years of age. If it is right when you do it, it is right when they do it. And if it is wrong when they do it, it is wrong when you do it. Simple as that.
For the record, I was appalled by both murders. And civility IS called for.
Civility is most defintly NOT called for for anyone with a brain. Civility won't stop the genocide in Gaza. Civility won't down the US empire. Civility won't stop the capitalist depredation of recources around the world. Calling things by their names and acting accordingly will. Charles Kirk was a genocidal, racist, sexist, paid hatemonger steaming piece of crap. That is facts.
I’m more than happy to accept Jewish anti-Zionists in our ranks.
But Einbinder’s quote makes me skeptical of their actual intentions in putting on an “anti-Zionist” charade.
“It is my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel.”
It occurs to me that their anti Zionism is not motivated by Palestinian suffering at the hands of Jewish colonists - instead it is motivated by the fear of being linked to bad press and trying to sidestep the hate they know they’ve got coming.
They have no care for the plight of the Palestinians. Instead, recognising that the Goyim are waking up to their tricks, they cynically seek to “distinguish themselves” from their communities behaviour and the Jewish ethnostate.
It took courage for her to stand in front of an entire auditorium and say Free Palestine and I give her credit for that. I hope more Jews in the entertainment business will show as much courage but I doubt it.
The one who really stood firmly on principle was Javier Bardeim who unequivocally condemned Zionists and the slaughter in Gaza. There was no “this could hurt the image of Judism” — straightforward condemnation and a refusal to work with any studio that supports it. That took courage especially surrounded by suck-ups who never stood up for anything in their lives.
She is simply stating many Jews do not support Israel or the Zionist movement and one should not conflate the two.
??? Jews wearing badges? not that again.
They want to clean up their image.
I don’t know how you know. I thought that her explanation was instructive for many torn westerners who are schtum for a host of reasons. Every westerner needs to distinguish between a religion, an ethnicity and policy of mass murder. To say what she said in the land of the sponsors of the genocide is courageous.
Very weird extrapolation there. How the f do you know what "they" have care for or not? You're the f-ing problem.
Just noting she seems more concerned about shielding Jews from the hatred that would naturally result from the Jewish state committing a genocide under the Star of David, than she is concerned about Palestinians starving
Caitlin already pointed out "she’s been one of the few people in Hollywood consistently using their influential voice to oppose this genocide."
As an American living abroad, I know what it's like to have to keep vowing "not in my name", and trying to do something about it.
Again I say: her concern about Palestinians starving seems clear to me, and you are making groundless assumptions.
“Seems” to you; not to me.
This was a huge gesture, on an enormous platform.
It would have been important even if it had been delivered by a squirrel.
If you’re so ready to reject solidarity with someone you suspect of insincerity, I question your motivations. Why not take it on face value?
On face value it comes about two years of silence later than the ICJ made a declaration that Israel was likely committing genocide and demanding that they stop - and asking everyone to help stop israel.
What was she doing during that time?
Or better put, how much money has she collected from work awared by zionist media moguls during that time?
No, not a "very weird extrapolation there," but very pertinent points worth examining. Case in point - last month or so, J Street - you know, AIPAC-lite - issued a statement, now nearly two years late, on Forward.com, essentially saying the situation in Gaza - can't recall for sure, but don't think they even used the word "genocide" - must come to an end not only for the horrors, but because the hostages need to be returned, and overall it's making Jews look bad.
Oh, and those protesters against Netanyahu in Israel? More about sham interest in the release of the hostages than the barbarity over the past 23 months in Gaza, right?
Yup
I think there are some Jews who say "Not in our name" who actually don't want people worldwide to hate them personally from what's going on in Gaza but is still is a win-win for the Palestinian cause because it gets the message out there.
Pacific: THIS.
👍👍🧡
Well, yeah. She's an actress, the most narcissistic profession there is, even more so than politician.
Please add Glenn Greenwald, and Medea Benjamin to that honorable list.
He wasn't given the job, he took it.
"But...but...but it is just WRONG to criticize a dead person".... Except Kirk in has no problem in calling George Floyd "a scumbag" after Floyd was choked to death while pleading for mercy by a cop.
I feel empathy, not for him but for his kids. Unlike him, of course, who didn’t possess a shred of empathy for the hundreds of thousands of orphaned kids, or hundreds of thousands of murdered and wounded kids, in Gaza. Or the thousands of kids who have had their parents abducted by masked men and bundled into unmarked ICE vehicles with no idea if or when they’ll ever be reunited. Or the thousands of kids who have had their families broken up by Joe Biden’s racist Crime Bill, which the right has been more than happy to implement. Or the underage girls who will/would be forced to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth even when raped, under new Republican State laws. All of the above saw Kirk cheering them on. Which brings me back to his kids - he even said he’d force (his words) his own ten year old daughter to have the baby even if she was raped. They’re better off without him. Having to grow up with such a hateful, cruel, father would undoubtedly make them into psychologically damaged individuals as adults.
Their mother is his biggest cheerleader and she's using his demise to egg people on into further and more violent and virulent fascism as proof of their loyalty to him.
Yeah, she was often at his events with toddlers on her knee - ‘Weaponising’ the family into a right-wing, “Trad Wife” aesthetic.
And pushing them to subscribe, is that where their money came from? Guess so, or she'd not be so keen on subscriptions.
Sorry, but money seems to be the main driver on everything lately, enough is never enough.
What about the guy who co-founded and funded the group that got him noticed in the first place?
Completely agree. But don’t forget this is the culture that gave the convicted pedo Roman Polanski a standing ovation at the Oscars, abetted or turned a blind eye to Harvey “the Pig” for decades, and were pals with Epstein - see Ricky Gervais.
Anyone looking to Hollywood for moral guidance needs ECT.
Al Qassam fighters dropping explosives into IDF tanks.
Ansarallah launching strikes into Israel.
This is what matters to me -- killing Zionists.
Celebrities?? Not so much: Kirk, Hollywood, same irrelevance.
ENOUGH!
Nonsequitur.
Minimal comparative value within the maelstrom of a genocide soon to be a fait acompli. Everything in context.
They broke their own boycott which easily would have ruined the Nazi economy.
Hi John
That was one helluva fine speech, Bro.
Well said. Wringing of hands does nothing, it seems more like pretence- a sort of look at me in my worrying but still doing nothing constructive.
If the media was doing its job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If our politicians were doing their job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If the UN was doing its job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If International Law was doing its job, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. If decency and humanity and honour still mattered, we wouldn't need celebrities to speak out. It's great that some do. It's great that they are prepared to risk their careers rather than be seen as kowtowing racist genocidal scumbags. But never forget all the vilely-awful shekel grabbing soul-selling silent low lives whose actual job it is to speak up. To be outraged. To fan flames of utter disgust. To sound alarms when greed tempts propaganda-addled people into bloody savagery. Israel has certainly made the world contemptible, never forget how contemptible the institutions that serve it have made themselves too.
👏👏🙏 Well said Rod Dawson! ❤️🙏
They are doing their job. It's just that their employers are corporations and finance capital, not the people.
Every. Word.
I love your clarity Caitlin & Tim.
Yes, these vacillating vassals of states - the politicians of the World - no principles|, no values| just agendas$ given to them by their blackmailers / unelected handlers.
Going back to love… I also love those everyday good people (almost always women) who call out this subgroup of heinous humanity with their unanswerable questions loaded with raw truth.
You’re right. There are still not enough people with large platforms speaking up.
When enough citizens rise up against the zionist state's murderous atrocities, Israhell will collapse into the dustbin of history. Currently, they still have carte blanche to meddle and murder where they please. Perhaps more celebrities will overcome their fear of the zionist-controlled entertainment industry. Hannah Einbinder certainly did!
I would like to be able to see the future and Netanyahu sitting in the big chair at the ICJ squirming and sweating when the Judges find him GUILTY of Genocide and crimes against Humanity.
Ken, and that’s all well and good, but really, who are celebrities? Just folks who got lucky, if one considers being famous “lucky”.
And Hannah (who until now is someone I’ve never personally heard of) is ONE of how many so-called “celebrities” who called out a genocide… who cares? It’s up to We The People to rise up against our fascist government here in Amerikkka and get AIPAC out of it.
We all know who holds the purse strings in HOLLYWEIRD. These people, like their counterparts in DC, worship money, fame, and power—human dignity be damned. That place isn’t just a cesspool; it’s an epicenter of moral rot. And don’t kid yourself: this isn’t about “Right” versus “Left.” Those labels are just smoke and mirrors. The people at the top don’t serve either side—they serve themselves. Their game is simple: keep the rest of us fighting over scraps while they plot to dominate, control, and eventually erase anyone outside their circle.
So grateful for this woman's voice.
When Cillian Murphy won his Oscar, I was really hoping he'd open his mouth and finally say something, anything about genocide. But silence. Hollywood rewards and expects silence. None of these people are worth the time and attention so many of us give them.
They shamelessly cheer the death of anyone brown. They support the murder of Palestinian children. They gleefully promote assassination on sovereign lands. Now they cry victim and accuse YOU of being beneath them. Fuck them. They are all racist, hypocrites with no morality.
Again, fuck them.
This clip is very telling. https://youtube.com/shorts/HLIwVzzZ3X4?feature=shared the left / Right; Democrat /Republican paradigm is worthless as it creates More Division. Americans must face the truth!! Both are parties of the same Fascist government. To change it requires NON support. Waiting for an election to hopefully remove Dual citizenship and traitors who Take AIPAC money, Such treachery deserves instant ACTION. From the President ($250 million from AIPAC affiliates) Vance and all the others. Immediate removal. Don't forget the state government and local too. Essentially The " Declaration Of Independence" invoked against the treason by corrupt elected officials. This Terrorist country of Zionist murderers has controlled the US and our Military too long. Voting is insanity. Doing the same thing expecting different results. That is how we got HERE.
The only problem with all that is that what people seem to call 'the left' in America is actually 'THE LIBERALS'.
Most people are clueless about what LEFT and RIGHT actually mean.
In an extremely pithy nutshell -> RIGHT = hierarchy, LEFT = equality
I highly recommend watching the following 3 videos (in order) to better understand LEFT/RIGHT ->
(1) The Left-Right Political Spectrum is about Class Conflict (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3cmjNrXWms)
(2) How Political Definitions Shape Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaFkzIQk-1o)
(3) How we know what Left and Right actually mean: who’s who, 1789-1917 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3uevocEy3c)
Thanks,Good videos.