You're like one of those spammers on youtube chat. But instead, spamming an entire substack comments section with your cut and past paragraphs from your own substack posts that nobody really reads.
"Conflating the abuses of that state with Jewishness and Judaism is profoundly anti-semitic. "
The article does sound quite fascist.
When one considers the decades long political activism of the ADL and APAIC (my entire life) always whining "me, me, me" about Jewish privilege, while having been shown to be anti-liberal (in the traditional sense of liberty in the USA) and which use their influence (money) to further the terrorist destruction of Palestine; persuade Donald Trump to murder Iranian General Soleimani; profit at the expense of the "American People" (also not exactly a monolithic grouping); and promote war everywhere over peace anywhere -- exactly how does one maintain the cognitive dissonance required to identify the separation of "Good Jews" from "Bad Jews"?
If one has kidney cancer, do you choose between the "good cells" and the "bad cells" or remove the entire kidney? Admittedly not the best metaphor, provide one that simple minds like mine might grasp.
I'm not the one who conflated Jews with Israel. That has taken decades of indoctrination and double dealing on the part of Jews (including those I personally know) who unquestioningly defend Israel's atrocities to me; sounding exactly like the Jew Caitlin writes about until her last two paragraphs. They are unwilling to seek compromise or peace. They justify "mowing the lawn".
Intellectually, I know there is a huge difference.
Emotionally I'm utterly exhausted trying to convince myself that the difference matters.
I am overwhelmed by the realization that “I cannot defend Israel’s actions using facts and logic.” So much so that even when prominent pro-peace scholars like Norman Finkelstein (whom I mostly admire) defend Israel's right to exist, my emotional self screams "He's lying! He's deceiving me!"
I am politically drained by the duplicity of the Israeli tail wagging the American dog and the resigned recognition that nothing will stop America's decline into chaos that recognition engenders. Yes, I do mean that I see support for Israel as a charade used to justify American Imperialism. While it is true that once the veil of that charade is pierced, the Oligarchy will just cloak themselves in another one -- Israel (and Jews) is the disguise ("But Zelensky is a Jew") being used right now.
The stories one finds (especially in the old testament) are purposely allegorical in nature, written for a people of that time and era (which was a pretty brutal time for the Jews). Even the names of many in the stories were metaphors, symbolic in nature.
I find myself with similar sentiments as Caitlin regarding Judaic tradition. I am particularly fond of Jewish mysticism and the more scholarly Jewish insights into the Old Testament -which is a far better written work than what is known as the New Testament today- although the New Testament also has some valuable spiritual insight - here and there.
I find the nihilism of secularism doesn't provide people with much meaning - materialism is a crass nihilistic ontology, and reductive materialism is not yet even fully scientifically established yet (what is consciousness?) - although many nihilistic Existentialists will insist reality is nothing more than a giant machine and we are random meaningless products of that machine, soon to be put away forever.
But I agree with you, if one looks hard enough, there are a million things one can find wrong with the bible. But then again, there are a million things one can find wrong with secularists today - including the last two world wars. And the war in vietnam - and the fuck you to the poor by the billionaire club right now running the world into the ground - and claiming competition and greed is all that one should live for. What an empty religion based on an empty, nihilistic ontology regarding life.
Rachel my dear, my wife and I, and our two doctor daughters are secular humanists.
Proffering that being secularists means we live a life with not much meaning is demonstrably fallacious using our family as an example. Not to mention offensive!
Nihilism is proffering there is no inherent value, meaning and order to life independent of the value/meaning we create. We often "hear “everything is meaningless” when discussing nihilism in mainstream culture. Which is bullshit.
You don’t have to be a nihilist to experience nihilistic thoughts; it is normal to question the meaning of life and all of the suffering that people experience.
Furthermore, being a nihilist or having nihilist thoughts isn’t a negative thing.
Most nihilist theories say that it is up to the individual to create their own meaning.
As my two secular doctor daughters, both Professors of Medicine, have proven, nihilism can actually lead to meaningful worldviews. Both leading very productive, healthy and happy lives while saving peoples life's.
Many people believe they can only create meaning to their lives by praying to imaginary sky "Gods", but in reality, lead miserable meaningless lives and achieve very little. Or like the religious fascists in the Middle East, lead lives with the need to kill their fellow men.
Many non-religious people view the futility of existence to be a significant incentive to find love and happiness. Like creating meaning by paving the way for future generations for instance!
I agree Timmy. My only point being that jameta's claim that the non-religious are nihilists and secularism doesn't provide people with much meaning is fallacious.
Dennis Merwood: But your definition of Nihilism still means that Nihilists think there is meaning in life. Your description of Nihilists believing the meaning of life is what they create is what fanatics do. e.g. Communism, Cults, Religions, etc.
"nihilism can actually lead to meaningful worldviews."
Disagree. Materialism is just another ontology - and an unproven one to boot. Materialism (or Physicalism, an updated version of Materialism) is a matter of faith like any other religion is a matter of "faith". It's in fact, IMO, one of the oddest faiths ever adopted by humans - because it is a faith based on mechanical nihilism - i.e. there really is no fundamental meaning to life - other than arbitrary meaning you assign it yourself - and in fact, you really don't assign yourself meaning since you too are a biological machine that fundamentally really has no free will.
What surprises me is how secularists can find meaning in their fundamentally nihilistic faith - it's like trying to derive blood from a turnip - the reasoning used is invariably on the absurd side. There is often too, an arrogant condescension from the upper intellectual secularist classes - often scientific academia - who do not suffer the indignities and violence visited upon those with no education, those born in poverty - who find themselves not born in the right place for example, (such as the 500 children just killed in Gaza) ... I am sure the Mothers and Fathers right now of those children are wondering what is the point of enduring this kind of suffering? Why did their children even exist in the first place? The secularist answer is there really is no fundamental point other than what you decide to make up - but really, the Materialist believes it's all just a mechanical reality - and the even more arrogant one's will insist consciousness itself is a product of inert material - that just happened to come to life - despite the fact there is not a single piece of scientific evidence such is the case. Not one iota shred of evidence for the origins of consciousness. Modern science today has no clue what consciousness actually is. Most scientists can't even really define consciousness in any precise fashion - ask David Chalmers.
"Modern science today has no clue what consciousness actually is" - but if it was not for modern science, you would not be here on the internet able to type your diatribes Jamenta in real time with anybody in the World.
And this cancer survivor would have been long dead and not able to provide counterviews to your nonsense.
Stalin was an Atheist. The guy purged the church in the USSR at the time, and killed millions. So did Mao Tse-Tung. Secularists have no corner on decency or moral ascendency over those who maintain some type of spiritual belief.
Condescension as put forth by Dennis here i.e. " praying to imaginary Sky Gods" deserves the push back I gave it.
Whether you find it appropriate, I really don't give a flying fuck if you do or not.
So true and Especially your comment "symbolic in nature" is 100% accurate; but once awakened, the differences in meaning becomes apparent; "accessible", obvious" and ... even predictable.
Biggest problem I have...apart from the obvious that we are being played amid the World is stage ... blah blah... is wondering if there are two sides of the globalist parasite agenda... IN THAT GOING ON FROM WHAT YOU STATE .... Who are the Illuminate ? ... just start at the nameand see it's definition....
"nihilistic Existentialists will insist reality is nothing more than a giant machine and we are random meaningless products of that machine,"
True. If you have no self-respect.
I support Merwood's point. Responses after that are empty rhetoric pushing their own religious agenda and purposely choosing to ignore (or misunderstand) Merwood's position.
I understand Skeptics and their religion of Materialism very well. I understand their scientific hypocrisy and even their willingness to doctor pages of Wikipedia in their militancy to defend their Skeptic religion. I know very well the kind of intellectual dishonesty of Skeptics like Susan Blackmore, or James Randi or goofball Daniel Dennett. I have no respect for Skeptic Materialists - because they push their own Materialist religious agenda, and piss all over anyone who doesn't agree with their fundamentalism, and in their religion of Materialism.
jamenta: The book of Genesis and Exodus were good stories but then came the book all about customs and how to make the ark and the temple and the robes and the sacrifices.
It was like a bad set of rules from 5th Grade "elected" class leaders.
It's been a number of decades since I've looked at the bible. Although I did take a number of comparative religion courses in college. Thanks for the link. My interests these days are more in the area of depth psychology and Psi research - and also the scientific research into Near-Death phenomena.
Depth psychology: as in the study of the different layers of consciousness. Most people identify themselves exclusively with their conscious awareness, and imagine they are only what they know about themselves. Or that consciousness is only conscious "awareness".
Near-Death Research: I've been fascinated with the last 30+ years of legitimate scientific research with the NDE phenomena, as defined by the Bruce Greyson scale. There have been over 65+ prospective/retrospective scientific studies worldwide now in the last number of decades, multi- year studies by cardiologists and other qualified (usually medical) scientists - and the NDE studies have included all age groups, ethnicities - and religious belief backgrounds including atheists. The scientific research has been peer reviewed and published in legitimate scientific journals such as the Lancet etc.
It's interesting how often I find Skeptic Materialists will claim they know all about NDE research, and have already figured out more than the actual scientific researchers who spent years empirically studying the phenomena. Maybe it would be amusing if it wasn't so intellectually arrogant to presume qualified Cardiologists and Neurologists would have no idea regarding the scientific knowledge regarding the brain and consciousness. It's tiresome to have to listen to all the half-assed, biased brain-dead arguments of Skeptics who claim they have faith in science - but then when scientific studies are presented to them conflicting with their fundamental assumptions regarding reality - they just dismiss the science out of hand - with some silly shithead reasoning. I've reached a point where I no longer bother with these know-it-alls - who really don't believe in science when they don't like the results. Let them believe what they want - the (legitimate) scientific research with Near-Death studies continue even today.
Here's an example of someone tired of being taken advantage of looking for a reason for the apparent hate directed at him and responding in kind. It isn't "hate", it is theft of one's identity and economic power.
I take serious issue with the last paragraph. Israel IS a jewish state. They claim citizenship by their identity. To let them off the hook by saying it’s not them, it’s their country, is really Anti-Semitic. Just because there are good, smart people who are Jewish doesn’t mean Israeli citizens aren’t responsible for their country’s policies.
I’m just saying—it’s not what one thinks, it’s what one DOES!!! And many people actively oppose Israel. It doesn’t absolve Jews of responsibility any more than say, Rashida Tlaib’s amazing courage and opposition to genocide absolve me as a citizen for Biden’s— therefore the US’s—actions in encouraging, facilitating and financing the destruction of Palestinians.
It is a pity that Caitlin did not write these last two paragraphs a month ago so those of us who reacted to her seemingly complimentary Jewish comments (and then criticised those who didn't ) may have seen her in a different light. It was so long ago that I cannot remember either the date or the comment made. Suffice to say, it was something of a shock, the way it appeared to me.
However, her coverage and commentary since the Palestine purge began shows that she is what I always thought she was from day one. Even better than I thought.
Perhaps she may have been too young ( as I do not know her age) during the NAKBA, the USS Liberty scandal, the death by all of those (you know who) of John Kennedy, the people involved in that disgraceful episode and their motivations. But what she obviously has been able to do is put together the pieces and events that have now caused this current criminal situation, its origins going back to all the previous Israeli crimes over 70 long years.
Yes, the Israel government is a criminal organisation, but remember…….it is obviously supported by the great majority of Jews who now live there, and at least an 'estimated' 70% of all Jews throughout the world.
DON’T FORGET THAT.
Some points…
What patience is displayed by the Palestine people. 70 long and painful years
What a useless organisation is the United Nations. Time to close it down.
What suckers are the US politicians to fall for and .agree with the graft displayed during every US election and how weak they are as humans to still support Israel, clearly now their effective master, as a result.
How foolish are the American people to not see how one party is the same as the other, one politician a mirror image of those on the opposite side of the house and one President little or no different from the one before.
"We know all that” they say.. "What can we do about it?" Vote for independents! "The Jewish owned media will smother us in a week". True. In today’s corrupt climate, too true.
The one thing that is common to all, is graft, thick on the ground, in media, military contractors, politicians, Neocons (mainly Jewish by the way.)...check out the mob in Bush's day in Iraq, the Wolfowitz, Perle types, probably still tucked away in some back room out of site, writing Democrat /Republican policy (it's identical) ; then check out the senior staff working for Biden, the Nulands; then check out the AIPAC type organisations in the USA, hundreds of them adding to the politically grafty climate.
Yes, in Joe McCarthy days of un-American activities, (that’s the 1950’s) clearly Fifth Columnists, from top to bottom. But free as a breeze in those United States in 2023….and continuing on, or so it appears to any observer, anywhere.
Get rid of them. They are ruining what otherwise is a fine country.
I guess if you have already painted your God as one of vengeance and wrath with a strong disposition to smiting, then it isn't a huge step to then convince others you are doing His work.
Good that he decided to commit political seppuku early, before anyone gets too emotionally invested in him or his campaign.
When I was a kitten, a quote attributed to one of the Sex Pistols read "kill your idols - before they get a chance to embarrass you!" RFK Jr. just embarrassed his followers and himself. Hopefully people will not double down.
Keep us updated Russian Bot! I wonder what will be next for RFK Jr? Maybe don an Israeli military helmet and go murder some evil Palestinians himself??
Yes, there are brilliant Jews, but brilliance has noting to do in a direct way with morality. And there are brilliant people of every ethnicity. Why do people have the need to prove they aren't anti-semitic? It never seems necessary to prove you are a human being, aren't anti-human, that is, you are a person with a sense of fair play and even-handedness, with good will towards all other human beings. There is not the slightest doubt that Israel has not had good intentions towards the Palestinians since the encroachment on their land 75 years ago to the present. You shouldn't have to prove you aren't anti-Semitic to state that obvious fact. That is not an indictment of Jews, most of whom are not Zionists and many of whom strenuously object to Israel's actions, and in fact some orthodox Jews strongly object to it in any form.
The Zionist coined that term antisemitic so they can hide behind their crimes! That was the best chest moved ever played.. Just like cia coined conspiracy theory when JFK was assassinated or anti vaxer, science deniers .. they'll deflect and gaslight the hell out of you.. Everything leads back to the crown UK City of London.. and did we not learned anything the last 3yrs? For the love of humanity.. wise up people !
"The only reason people think Muslims are violent is because they are often born on top of oil. "
Amazing how petroleum products can cause violence! More reasons for us to go with green energy options and shut down the war machine--forever.
"Most of what I’ve learned about Israel over the years I’ve learned from the brilliant Jewish people I follow who oppose it."
Same here. We've got to stop putting people into pigeon holes. They're inaccurate and demeaning. "All Muslims are terrorists!" "All Jews support genocide of Palestinians and the state of Israel!" "Joe Biden supporters possess half a brain."
(I know that last one is totally off the mark. Biden supporters don't even possess brains.)
"Amazing how petroleum products can cause violence". Well RC, how else can anyone explain RAM trucks? Those thing are violence incarnate and I'm sure the old bastards who drive them around my town, like to fantasise that they're driving a Hummer across the desert in Iraq or Afganistan.
TRC: The Muslims are just as violent as the rest of the human race. Battle of Vienna. Taking of Constantinople. Expulsion of the Crusaders in the "Holy" Land.
Btw, this is what we get when we let overly-emotional women have ANY input on difficult military or law enforcement efforts. They are so agreeable and easily emotionally manipulated that it's akin to propagandizing a child.
Most white women now have an immediate reaction to nearly ANY conflict - side with the darker skinned people. Real intellectual of you.
You're full of shit. These are amoral vermin who will never stop killing Jews, and the populace supports them. I agree with General Sherman:
"We cannot change the hearts of those people, but we can make war so terrible... [and] make them so sick of war that generations would pass away before they would again appeal to it."
Grant knew that the war would not end until they had killed enough of the military aged young men in the South who fought for the rebels. Same with Hamas. We need to kill an entire generation of them so they have no fighters. More than time to move them out of Gaza, annex it and settle it. They can go to Jordon.
And in every country you listed, US imperialism has murdered children, just like Bibi the baby killer is doing in Gaza. How many times just this year has Israel killed innocent people there? it goes back to at least February 2023. just speaking of this year...
Literally all of the countries you listed are on the list of,
" 7 countries in 5 years " . now add, Libya, Sudan and Somalia... Yemen made it " 8 " countries...and it's been more like 20 years.
If you don't agree with Israel's actions you are anti-semitic. Well the real Semites are the ones who live in that tiny area called Gaza. These "Jews" are European interlopers who acquired the property they call Israel by force and subterfuge. They have absolutely no biblical connection to that land and are now in the process of genociding the "real" Semites who are more than likely the descendants of the actual biblical jews. Jewish homeland....really? Where's the catholic homeland? Where's the Muslim homeland? Where's the Hindu homeland? The modern jews are anything but monolithic, they are a hodge hodge of people of many different nationalities and have no business occupying that land. Dress it up however you like it, but genocide is still genocide and it is a...and has been... a crime against Humanity.
I’m Jewish and agree with you, Caitlin, 100%. So there you go.
You're like one of those spammers on youtube chat. But instead, spamming an entire substack comments section with your cut and past paragraphs from your own substack posts that nobody really reads.
Is the NRM an example of:
"Conflating the abuses of that state with Jewishness and Judaism is profoundly anti-semitic. "
The article does sound quite fascist.
When one considers the decades long political activism of the ADL and APAIC (my entire life) always whining "me, me, me" about Jewish privilege, while having been shown to be anti-liberal (in the traditional sense of liberty in the USA) and which use their influence (money) to further the terrorist destruction of Palestine; persuade Donald Trump to murder Iranian General Soleimani; profit at the expense of the "American People" (also not exactly a monolithic grouping); and promote war everywhere over peace anywhere -- exactly how does one maintain the cognitive dissonance required to identify the separation of "Good Jews" from "Bad Jews"?
If one has kidney cancer, do you choose between the "good cells" and the "bad cells" or remove the entire kidney? Admittedly not the best metaphor, provide one that simple minds like mine might grasp.
I'm not the one who conflated Jews with Israel. That has taken decades of indoctrination and double dealing on the part of Jews (including those I personally know) who unquestioningly defend Israel's atrocities to me; sounding exactly like the Jew Caitlin writes about until her last two paragraphs. They are unwilling to seek compromise or peace. They justify "mowing the lawn".
Intellectually, I know there is a huge difference.
Emotionally I'm utterly exhausted trying to convince myself that the difference matters.
I am overwhelmed by the realization that “I cannot defend Israel’s actions using facts and logic.” So much so that even when prominent pro-peace scholars like Norman Finkelstein (whom I mostly admire) defend Israel's right to exist, my emotional self screams "He's lying! He's deceiving me!"
I am politically drained by the duplicity of the Israeli tail wagging the American dog and the resigned recognition that nothing will stop America's decline into chaos that recognition engenders. Yes, I do mean that I see support for Israel as a charade used to justify American Imperialism. While it is true that once the veil of that charade is pierced, the Oligarchy will just cloak themselves in another one -- Israel (and Jews) is the disguise ("But Zelensky is a Jew") being used right now.
If Moses were alive today, he would be on the side of the Palestinians.
If a frog had wing it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Lake,_Washington
jamenta: Chief Moses in Washington State didn't do very well against the Americans but his people survive on the Colville Indian Reservation.
Moses Lake Airport is where Boeing tests its new airplanes.
It's unlikely that humans are capable of multiple generational conspiracies, if I understand what you're saying.
The stories one finds (especially in the old testament) are purposely allegorical in nature, written for a people of that time and era (which was a pretty brutal time for the Jews). Even the names of many in the stories were metaphors, symbolic in nature.
I find myself with similar sentiments as Caitlin regarding Judaic tradition. I am particularly fond of Jewish mysticism and the more scholarly Jewish insights into the Old Testament -which is a far better written work than what is known as the New Testament today- although the New Testament also has some valuable spiritual insight - here and there.
I find the nihilism of secularism doesn't provide people with much meaning - materialism is a crass nihilistic ontology, and reductive materialism is not yet even fully scientifically established yet (what is consciousness?) - although many nihilistic Existentialists will insist reality is nothing more than a giant machine and we are random meaningless products of that machine, soon to be put away forever.
But I agree with you, if one looks hard enough, there are a million things one can find wrong with the bible. But then again, there are a million things one can find wrong with secularists today - including the last two world wars. And the war in vietnam - and the fuck you to the poor by the billionaire club right now running the world into the ground - and claiming competition and greed is all that one should live for. What an empty religion based on an empty, nihilistic ontology regarding life.
Rachel my dear, my wife and I, and our two doctor daughters are secular humanists.
Proffering that being secularists means we live a life with not much meaning is demonstrably fallacious using our family as an example. Not to mention offensive!
Nihilism is proffering there is no inherent value, meaning and order to life independent of the value/meaning we create. We often "hear “everything is meaningless” when discussing nihilism in mainstream culture. Which is bullshit.
You don’t have to be a nihilist to experience nihilistic thoughts; it is normal to question the meaning of life and all of the suffering that people experience.
Furthermore, being a nihilist or having nihilist thoughts isn’t a negative thing.
Most nihilist theories say that it is up to the individual to create their own meaning.
As my two secular doctor daughters, both Professors of Medicine, have proven, nihilism can actually lead to meaningful worldviews. Both leading very productive, healthy and happy lives while saving peoples life's.
Many people believe they can only create meaning to their lives by praying to imaginary sky "Gods", but in reality, lead miserable meaningless lives and achieve very little. Or like the religious fascists in the Middle East, lead lives with the need to kill their fellow men.
Many non-religious people view the futility of existence to be a significant incentive to find love and happiness. Like creating meaning by paving the way for future generations for instance!
The choice is yours! Take care.
Dennis Merwood: PS: Existence is NOT futile. If you believe that life is futile, why do you stay alive?
I agree Timmy. My only point being that jameta's claim that the non-religious are nihilists and secularism doesn't provide people with much meaning is fallacious.
Well, in all fairness...if all the nihilists were to check out, who would write it down?
denny: If nihilists "check out", the coroner will write it down.
Dennis Merwood: I thought Nihilism was believing in nothing including that there is a right way to live and a wrong way to live.
If you believe in love and happiness, you are not a Nihilist.
Your understanding of what nihilism is is flawed Timmy.
Nihilism is proffering there is no inherent value, meaning and order to life INDEPENDANT OF THE MEANING WE CREATE.
So one can believe in love and happiness, can be a Nihilist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZtTeqbcesw
"We're nihilists, we believe in nothing. And tomorrow we come and we cut off your johnson".
Dennis Merwood: But your definition of Nihilism still means that Nihilists think there is meaning in life. Your description of Nihilists believing the meaning of life is what they create is what fanatics do. e.g. Communism, Cults, Religions, etc.
Nihilists don't believe in anything.
"nihilism can actually lead to meaningful worldviews."
Disagree. Materialism is just another ontology - and an unproven one to boot. Materialism (or Physicalism, an updated version of Materialism) is a matter of faith like any other religion is a matter of "faith". It's in fact, IMO, one of the oddest faiths ever adopted by humans - because it is a faith based on mechanical nihilism - i.e. there really is no fundamental meaning to life - other than arbitrary meaning you assign it yourself - and in fact, you really don't assign yourself meaning since you too are a biological machine that fundamentally really has no free will.
What surprises me is how secularists can find meaning in their fundamentally nihilistic faith - it's like trying to derive blood from a turnip - the reasoning used is invariably on the absurd side. There is often too, an arrogant condescension from the upper intellectual secularist classes - often scientific academia - who do not suffer the indignities and violence visited upon those with no education, those born in poverty - who find themselves not born in the right place for example, (such as the 500 children just killed in Gaza) ... I am sure the Mothers and Fathers right now of those children are wondering what is the point of enduring this kind of suffering? Why did their children even exist in the first place? The secularist answer is there really is no fundamental point other than what you decide to make up - but really, the Materialist believes it's all just a mechanical reality - and the even more arrogant one's will insist consciousness itself is a product of inert material - that just happened to come to life - despite the fact there is not a single piece of scientific evidence such is the case. Not one iota shred of evidence for the origins of consciousness. Modern science today has no clue what consciousness actually is. Most scientists can't even really define consciousness in any precise fashion - ask David Chalmers.
"Modern science today has no clue what consciousness actually is" - but if it was not for modern science, you would not be here on the internet able to type your diatribes Jamenta in real time with anybody in the World.
And this cancer survivor would have been long dead and not able to provide counterviews to your nonsense.
I love modern science - but turning it into another religion is nuts.
The only poster here my dear showing arrogant condescension is you.
I guess ...
Stalin was an Atheist. The guy purged the church in the USSR at the time, and killed millions. So did Mao Tse-Tung. Secularists have no corner on decency or moral ascendency over those who maintain some type of spiritual belief.
Condescension as put forth by Dennis here i.e. " praying to imaginary Sky Gods" deserves the push back I gave it.
Whether you find it appropriate, I really don't give a flying fuck if you do or not.
So true and Especially your comment "symbolic in nature" is 100% accurate; but once awakened, the differences in meaning becomes apparent; "accessible", obvious" and ... even predictable.
Biggest problem I have...apart from the obvious that we are being played amid the World is stage ... blah blah... is wondering if there are two sides of the globalist parasite agenda... IN THAT GOING ON FROM WHAT YOU STATE .... Who are the Illuminate ? ... just start at the nameand see it's definition....
Hope above makes some sense.
Oh I watched The X-Files. Loved that show!! heh.
"nihilistic Existentialists will insist reality is nothing more than a giant machine and we are random meaningless products of that machine,"
True. If you have no self-respect.
I support Merwood's point. Responses after that are empty rhetoric pushing their own religious agenda and purposely choosing to ignore (or misunderstand) Merwood's position.
I understand Skeptics and their religion of Materialism very well. I understand their scientific hypocrisy and even their willingness to doctor pages of Wikipedia in their militancy to defend their Skeptic religion. I know very well the kind of intellectual dishonesty of Skeptics like Susan Blackmore, or James Randi or goofball Daniel Dennett. I have no respect for Skeptic Materialists - because they push their own Materialist religious agenda, and piss all over anyone who doesn't agree with their fundamentalism, and in their religion of Materialism.
jamenta: The book of Genesis and Exodus were good stories but then came the book all about customs and how to make the ark and the temple and the robes and the sacrifices.
It was like a bad set of rules from 5th Grade "elected" class leaders.
It's been a number of decades since I've looked at the bible. Although I did take a number of comparative religion courses in college. Thanks for the link. My interests these days are more in the area of depth psychology and Psi research - and also the scientific research into Near-Death phenomena.
Depth psychology: as in the study of the different layers of consciousness. Most people identify themselves exclusively with their conscious awareness, and imagine they are only what they know about themselves. Or that consciousness is only conscious "awareness".
Near-Death Research: I've been fascinated with the last 30+ years of legitimate scientific research with the NDE phenomena, as defined by the Bruce Greyson scale. There have been over 65+ prospective/retrospective scientific studies worldwide now in the last number of decades, multi- year studies by cardiologists and other qualified (usually medical) scientists - and the NDE studies have included all age groups, ethnicities - and religious belief backgrounds including atheists. The scientific research has been peer reviewed and published in legitimate scientific journals such as the Lancet etc.
It's interesting how often I find Skeptic Materialists will claim they know all about NDE research, and have already figured out more than the actual scientific researchers who spent years empirically studying the phenomena. Maybe it would be amusing if it wasn't so intellectually arrogant to presume qualified Cardiologists and Neurologists would have no idea regarding the scientific knowledge regarding the brain and consciousness. It's tiresome to have to listen to all the half-assed, biased brain-dead arguments of Skeptics who claim they have faith in science - but then when scientific studies are presented to them conflicting with their fundamental assumptions regarding reality - they just dismiss the science out of hand - with some silly shithead reasoning. I've reached a point where I no longer bother with these know-it-alls - who really don't believe in science when they don't like the results. Let them believe what they want - the (legitimate) scientific research with Near-Death studies continue even today.
Good, incisive posting as usual, Caitlyn. Keep us sane....
Viva Palestine!
Here's an example of someone tired of being taken advantage of looking for a reason for the apparent hate directed at him and responding in kind. It isn't "hate", it is theft of one's identity and economic power.
I take serious issue with the last paragraph. Israel IS a jewish state. They claim citizenship by their identity. To let them off the hook by saying it’s not them, it’s their country, is really Anti-Semitic. Just because there are good, smart people who are Jewish doesn’t mean Israeli citizens aren’t responsible for their country’s policies.
Not all Jews are Zionists, nor do all support Israel or its policies.
Of course that’s true. But not supporting and a citizen actually opposing are two entirely different things.
Plenty of Jews actively oppose Israel. The Satmar Hassidim, for example, regard Israel as literally satanic.
I’m just saying—it’s not what one thinks, it’s what one DOES!!! And many people actively oppose Israel. It doesn’t absolve Jews of responsibility any more than say, Rashida Tlaib’s amazing courage and opposition to genocide absolve me as a citizen for Biden’s— therefore the US’s—actions in encouraging, facilitating and financing the destruction of Palestinians.
Each Jew, like any other individual, is a minority of one.
That said, the Satmar are quite vociferous in what they do.
Jeano: Israel is a Zionist idea. Ask the Jews you know what they think about Israel and its treatment of Palestinians.
Shut up Timmy.
Jeano: Not your substack.
That’s just self serving whitewash bullshit.
So much for american demawkrahsee but so many still believe the myriad lies of the Founding Liars.
Dem all crazy!
It is a pity that Caitlin did not write these last two paragraphs a month ago so those of us who reacted to her seemingly complimentary Jewish comments (and then criticised those who didn't ) may have seen her in a different light. It was so long ago that I cannot remember either the date or the comment made. Suffice to say, it was something of a shock, the way it appeared to me.
However, her coverage and commentary since the Palestine purge began shows that she is what I always thought she was from day one. Even better than I thought.
Perhaps she may have been too young ( as I do not know her age) during the NAKBA, the USS Liberty scandal, the death by all of those (you know who) of John Kennedy, the people involved in that disgraceful episode and their motivations. But what she obviously has been able to do is put together the pieces and events that have now caused this current criminal situation, its origins going back to all the previous Israeli crimes over 70 long years.
Yes, the Israel government is a criminal organisation, but remember…….it is obviously supported by the great majority of Jews who now live there, and at least an 'estimated' 70% of all Jews throughout the world.
DON’T FORGET THAT.
Some points…
What patience is displayed by the Palestine people. 70 long and painful years
What a useless organisation is the United Nations. Time to close it down.
What suckers are the US politicians to fall for and .agree with the graft displayed during every US election and how weak they are as humans to still support Israel, clearly now their effective master, as a result.
How foolish are the American people to not see how one party is the same as the other, one politician a mirror image of those on the opposite side of the house and one President little or no different from the one before.
"We know all that” they say.. "What can we do about it?" Vote for independents! "The Jewish owned media will smother us in a week". True. In today’s corrupt climate, too true.
The one thing that is common to all, is graft, thick on the ground, in media, military contractors, politicians, Neocons (mainly Jewish by the way.)...check out the mob in Bush's day in Iraq, the Wolfowitz, Perle types, probably still tucked away in some back room out of site, writing Democrat /Republican policy (it's identical) ; then check out the senior staff working for Biden, the Nulands; then check out the AIPAC type organisations in the USA, hundreds of them adding to the politically grafty climate.
Yes, in Joe McCarthy days of un-American activities, (that’s the 1950’s) clearly Fifth Columnists, from top to bottom. But free as a breeze in those United States in 2023….and continuing on, or so it appears to any observer, anywhere.
Get rid of them. They are ruining what otherwise is a fine country.
Liz Grant: LOL! You know one of the shooters who killed Kennedy. Which one? Back up your comment with names and facts or don't make such a claim.
Shut up Timmy
Jeano: Not your substack.
I guess if you have already painted your God as one of vengeance and wrath with a strong disposition to smiting, then it isn't a huge step to then convince others you are doing His work.
For RFK Jr fanbois of the forum (I love you guys): https://rumble.com/v3pfdv8-kucinich-quits-rfk-campaign-bush-chimes-in-on-israel-jordan-next-speaker-ms.html?start=2314
Kucinich left the campaign, the replacement is RFK Jr's daughter-in-law, a CIA agent. Congrats!!
russian_bot: RFK Jr. just committed political suicide.
Good that he decided to commit political seppuku early, before anyone gets too emotionally invested in him or his campaign.
When I was a kitten, a quote attributed to one of the Sex Pistols read "kill your idols - before they get a chance to embarrass you!" RFK Jr. just embarrassed his followers and himself. Hopefully people will not double down.
Keep us updated Russian Bot! I wonder what will be next for RFK Jr? Maybe don an Israeli military helmet and go murder some evil Palestinians himself??
Even then fanbois will find ways to rationalize their support.
Actually, he'll pick up a new base. Maybe that's the plan.
Yes, there are brilliant Jews, but brilliance has noting to do in a direct way with morality. And there are brilliant people of every ethnicity. Why do people have the need to prove they aren't anti-semitic? It never seems necessary to prove you are a human being, aren't anti-human, that is, you are a person with a sense of fair play and even-handedness, with good will towards all other human beings. There is not the slightest doubt that Israel has not had good intentions towards the Palestinians since the encroachment on their land 75 years ago to the present. You shouldn't have to prove you aren't anti-Semitic to state that obvious fact. That is not an indictment of Jews, most of whom are not Zionists and many of whom strenuously object to Israel's actions, and in fact some orthodox Jews strongly object to it in any form.
The Zionist coined that term antisemitic so they can hide behind their crimes! That was the best chest moved ever played.. Just like cia coined conspiracy theory when JFK was assassinated or anti vaxer, science deniers .. they'll deflect and gaslight the hell out of you.. Everything leads back to the crown UK City of London.. and did we not learned anything the last 3yrs? For the love of humanity.. wise up people !
How do you describe a country (US) that totally supports, militarily and financially, TWO countries (U + I) with Nazi-dominated governments?
A TWO-state solution ( which was sabotaged for decades by both apartheid Bibi/US and Hamas ) – NOW
"The only reason people think Muslims are violent is because they are often born on top of oil. "
Amazing how petroleum products can cause violence! More reasons for us to go with green energy options and shut down the war machine--forever.
"Most of what I’ve learned about Israel over the years I’ve learned from the brilliant Jewish people I follow who oppose it."
Same here. We've got to stop putting people into pigeon holes. They're inaccurate and demeaning. "All Muslims are terrorists!" "All Jews support genocide of Palestinians and the state of Israel!" "Joe Biden supporters possess half a brain."
(I know that last one is totally off the mark. Biden supporters don't even possess brains.)
"Amazing how petroleum products can cause violence". Well RC, how else can anyone explain RAM trucks? Those thing are violence incarnate and I'm sure the old bastards who drive them around my town, like to fantasise that they're driving a Hummer across the desert in Iraq or Afganistan.
TRC: The Muslims are just as violent as the rest of the human race. Battle of Vienna. Taking of Constantinople. Expulsion of the Crusaders in the "Holy" Land.
Humans are the same all over.
Btw, this is what we get when we let overly-emotional women have ANY input on difficult military or law enforcement efforts. They are so agreeable and easily emotionally manipulated that it's akin to propagandizing a child.
Most white women now have an immediate reaction to nearly ANY conflict - side with the darker skinned people. Real intellectual of you.
You're full of shit. These are amoral vermin who will never stop killing Jews, and the populace supports them. I agree with General Sherman:
"We cannot change the hearts of those people, but we can make war so terrible... [and] make them so sick of war that generations would pass away before they would again appeal to it."
Grant knew that the war would not end until they had killed enough of the military aged young men in the South who fought for the rebels. Same with Hamas. We need to kill an entire generation of them so they have no fighters. More than time to move them out of Gaza, annex it and settle it. They can go to Jordon.
You are delusional.
"The only reason people think Muslims are violent is because..." they see what happens among Muslims in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Iran etc
And in every country you listed, US imperialism has murdered children, just like Bibi the baby killer is doing in Gaza. How many times just this year has Israel killed innocent people there? it goes back to at least February 2023. just speaking of this year...
Literally all of the countries you listed are on the list of,
" 7 countries in 5 years " . now add, Libya, Sudan and Somalia... Yemen made it " 8 " countries...and it's been more like 20 years.
Well said Caitlin. Ethnic cleansing is still ethnic cleansing no matter how you look at it.
If you don't agree with Israel's actions you are anti-semitic. Well the real Semites are the ones who live in that tiny area called Gaza. These "Jews" are European interlopers who acquired the property they call Israel by force and subterfuge. They have absolutely no biblical connection to that land and are now in the process of genociding the "real" Semites who are more than likely the descendants of the actual biblical jews. Jewish homeland....really? Where's the catholic homeland? Where's the Muslim homeland? Where's the Hindu homeland? The modern jews are anything but monolithic, they are a hodge hodge of people of many different nationalities and have no business occupying that land. Dress it up however you like it, but genocide is still genocide and it is a...and has been... a crime against Humanity.