It also acts as a Bat Signal to genuinely awesome people in your life that it's safe to express how they really feel about the Genocide of the Palestinian people around you
It's the same with the Epstein Files, and yes, they are connected.
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class are the main supporters of Zionism in the West. Rothschilds Bankster family in France believe in the Greater Israel Project, and PRACTICE Incest. They are not shy, they marry their cousins. Men may be permitted to marry outside, but NOT women. Macrons are in this orbit. Epstein was introduced to Les Wexler and his Billions, by the Rothschilds.
When someone says I'm crazy or "need help" is a fav phrase, because I bring up the Rothschilds-Epstein Class in connection to Israel and Zionists, it is because they are all in the same soup. They are the SAME thing. All the Surveillance Companies are owned by Zionists. They are infesting the USA with massive Data Center for the AI SURVEILLANCE STATE.
ALL of this connects to Zionism, and the Greater Israel Project. When someone doesn't like to hear about the Rothschilds or EPSTEIN PEDOES, its because people want to FORGET that NOT ONE PEDOPHILE from the Epstein Files has been arrested in the USA. NOT ONE... and there are thousands of files no one has seen yet.
If the Epstein Files and me saying EPSTEIN PEDOES run the USA, offends people or upsets them... GOOD. It should!
If the Genocide and IDF using toddlers for target practice upsets them... GOOD. It should!!!
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class controls with blackmail & bribes & Their sick Clubs.
They are Zionists who would use the Sampson Option and kill Their own people to rule over the ashes. That is just how twisted these people are.
Being a Zionist makes you either a Pedoe or a Pedoe Protector. They have no morality, and only value Money & Power. Ignore the Epstein file Crimes, and it's the same.
If you would brush over genocide, then ignoring the abuse of innocents is easy.
In the case of Israel and the Epstein Class, to not take a side, is siding with the Abusers and Evil. It should be any EASY choice. Weird that for some... it's complicated. NO. It is not.
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class is building Our CAGE and Their new workforce
I very much agree. It means that I never have to deal with the crap zionist relatives that I'm related to on my mother's side. And it also weeds out the worst piece of shit that I can imagine, my disgusting cousin Bibi Netanyahu. I feel I'm pretty safe in saying that nobody on this planet has a worse relative than I do.
CJ>>"Being forcefully pro-Palestine is the most efficient way to weed all the worst people out of your life."
💯 Couldn't agree with you more, Caitlin & Tim! ❤️🙏
I've experienced TOO MANY such people in my life (that I apparently didn't know well enough) before. The Genocide in Palestine (as it's not just Gaza being Genocided) has definitely exposed ALL KINDS of such people...
Also, through this experience, I've refined my thinking on MORALITY quite a bit.
The thing that astonishes me the most, Chang, is that I know a number of people who were strong during the coronahoax/deadly Covax rollout (and saw through it right from the start) but who are also pro-Israel/Zionist. They are seemingly unaware that the same people who massacre Palestinians are the same people behind Convid1984 & the Vax...WTF!!!
No mystery here grahamlyons. They (these people you talk of) NEVER saw through Covid, they fell HARD for anti-vaxx propaganda (and related conspiracy theories). Is it any wonder, then, that they also succumbed to Zionist/Israeli propaganda? You may be the exception here, and that's good for you, but the pattern holds. Being easily deceived by false narratives and propaganda often carries over to other situations too. Someone who gets taken in by one false story has no special protection against the next one.
Just so we're clear, I'm an evidence-based science person, whereas you seem to be on the anti-vaxx/conspiracy-theory side of things. I don't think that we're likely to resolve that basic disagreement, or the different ways we each understand the world. So if you respond from your anti-vaxx perspective, this discussion is going to go nowhere, and it's not worth pursuing further.
Show me the evidence-based science that the covid shots were properly tested. Show me the evidence-based science that the covid test kits actually worked reliably.
Peter, this isn't really a request for evidence, is it? If you genuinely wanted to examine the evidence, you could do so very easily. You're using a familiar conspiracy-theory tactic: demand an impossibly broad proof of the entire proposition, ignore the enormous body of evidence that already exists, and then treat any answer as something else to challenge.
More importantly, you've shifted the burden of proof. You made the claims that the vaccines weren't properly tested and that the tests didn't work reliably. You need to provide specific evidence for those claims. "Show me that they were properly tested" isn't evidence that they weren't.
At this point, I'm not interested in playing this game. You have an anti-vaxx narrative you're determined to defend, rather than an open question you're genuinely trying to resolve. That's not truth-seeking; it's confirmation-seeking.
Your open declaration of disdain for science and diminishment of the suffering of millions in a worldwide pandemic puts people like you in another easy-to-steer-clear-of category. You’re a conspiracy nutter who is easily swayed and reshaped by internet nonsense, and you’re sure of yourself.
"...They’re not the sort of person you want in your life."
Maybe not, but we can't all "divorce" our parents, children, cousins, aunts and uncles. If we stand for love of all humanity and morality, then we don't kick our family members to the curbside. We talk to them and let them know how we feel and why we feel that way, but we don't automatically kick them out of our lives. They may yet come to see the genocide and Israel the way we do. If we love them, we owe them that chance. (And many are coming to see things like us from our bold examples of standing up for Palestinians.)
It is tough. But love is a choice--not cheap sentimentalism. I'm not going to stop loving my child or my parent even if I don't agree with them on something. The world has enough hate in it already. No need to start hating our family members.
I have actually lost what I thought was a good friend over the Israel war on Palestine,s. I had asked Mrx if any of the 50,000 Palestines killed was a war crime, answer was no they are all terrorists, what about the medical staff, answer terrorists. Journalist killed, answer terrorists also. With standard line. Israel has the right to defnd its self. So I stopped communicating, finding it to difficult to seperate the Israel and Jew believer from what I liked about this person. In the end I had to reconcile the good from the bad, and the bad just out weighted the good. Mrx could not understand from my perspective that being so one sided on the israel Jewish position made me feel to uncomfortable to have a balanced discussion on any topic, for fear of his rigid inflexible manner and unable to see what is right and what is wrong. I feel all the better for moving on.
A prominent report by Brown University's Costs of War project states that Israeli military actions in Gaza have killed more journalists and media workers tha the U.S. Civil War, World Wars I and II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Yugoslav Wars, and the post-9/11 war in Afghanistan - COMBINED.
All terrorists, no doubt. It's just a thought terminating cliche to avaoid having to face unpleasant facts.
These facts should be constantly aired by the press to show the balance in Israel having the right to defend its self. At what cost to life is this line really about.
I was recently called 'an Israel hating moron'. 'Great Scott!' I thought, because being called a moron can be quite insulting. Not so much though when the person doing it is a pedlar of fake facts, made-up history and utterly rancid garbage. When the person doing it could quite easily see how moronic their own beliefs are by taking a convenient trip to Wikipedia. Which, of course, they're too determinedly self-deluding ever to do. But: what if they did? What if a sudden fascination for facts robbed Israel of its supporters? A slew of new sites designed specifically to prevent discussion suggests Israel has identified the problem. Take a look at a page called 'Never Again' for example. Only allegiance to pro-Israel bollocks allowed. A safe space cesspool where spiteful little racists prop each other up, congratulate one another on their despicableness, and learn new lies to help them never question anything. Given the flimsiness of its propaganda, Israel needs its supporters unthinking. The comments inspire despair. What sort of people become concentration camp guards, torturers, snipers who target children, and people who turn off incubators to leave infants to die? Look no further. These are the empathy-free individuals who rejoice in the death of others, and thrill to all the suffering Israel loves to heap upon its victims. They are sadists, supporting a sadist state. Evil supporting Evil. It is an honour to be despised by them.
Just yesterday I read a credible tale of the utter depravity of Israel. What makes it so bad is that one gets the impression that this was their idea of fun, this thing that would never even cross the mind of any semi-decent person.
----
At the Integrity Media whistleblower roundtable in Chicago, Kiriakou told deep state stories about Israeli influence over the United States.
“I sat next to a guy at the CIA for years, he’s a dear friend,” Kiriakou said during the whistleblower panel moderated by Greenwald.
“His wife sat ten feet away from us. And when I was transferred to Bahrain in the 1990s, he and his wife were transferred to Jerusalem. They were overt CIA employees. And so when they arrived in Israel, they were re-declared to the Israeli Mossad, where the station chief takes them to Mossad and says — These are my officers. They’re here to work with you.”
“Well, the wife was there to work with them, and the husband was taking a sabbatical to learn Arabic at one of the universities. They went to a welcome party, it’s called a hail and farewell party, at the ambassador’s residence in Tel Aviv. When they got home, all of their living room furniture had been rearranged.”
“And they said — Okay. All right. Well, this is what they do, just to tell us that they can do whatever they want, whenever they want it. We get it.”
“A few months later, at the ambassador’s Christmas party they drive back from Tel Aviv, and people had defecated in all of the toilets in their house. Another message, we can come into your house anytime we want, and there’s nothing you can do about it.”
“When they were getting ready to leave at the end of their two year tour, the Ambassador had the farewell party for them. And when they got home, the dog was under the dining room table whimpering. Somebody had cut its tail off and wrapped the stub in medical tape and gauze.”
“From the UK, they went on to Israel, and getting back to this, you know, scatological thing, this obsession that the Israelis have. In his hotel room, somebody had defecated in the toilet, but then used his bath towel to wipe himself, and then laid it out on the bed for him.”
----
I regret to say this is not the most depraved action I have ever heard tell of. That honor belongs to the police force of Kuwait. It was much worse, in a sort of trans-Manson zone. It haunts me. You don't want to know anything about it.
I've lost a couple of close friends. It does hurt. But probably what hurts the most is not the loss itself but finding out how wrong I was about them, when I thought they were decent humans.
More difficult even are the majority, who whisper conspiratorially about how awful it all is but still insist they don't know enough to shout/try not to listen to the news for their own mental health/believe we aren't involved so what can we do?
Here is the gist of it, the dilemma of trying to survive in a crazy world: "In a world that has gone mad, it’s important to find little signposts of clarity to help you morally orient yourself so you don’t get swept up in the insanity with the herd."
Palestine is one, and most of the world is with us, so it's not that hard since the majority condemn Israel.
What is hard, and therefore a signpost is refusing to participate in the slaughter of animals. That puts you in a tiny minority often mocked and scorned. It's not hard to hold your moral ground when most agree with you: "Most Americans no longer approve of Israel’s military campaign against Hamas in Gaza, according to a new survey from Gallup, in a downward trend for Israel compared to a November poll."
The true test is being in the tiny minority, as we once were opposing the wars that were initially supported by most , on a moral issue that is only held by a small percentage subject to constanct ridicule or condemnation. And that is why I see a link between opposing Israel's criminal war and opposing the slaughter of animals,not as a side issue but as the SAME issue: opposing human cruelty and working to reduce suffering.
Yes the myth that we need animal products to survive has been totally debunked scientifically, but Big Meat and Dairy spend huge amounts to promote the myth as well as deny scientific evidence of the harm of meat/dairy production and effects on health.
1. U.S. agribusiness overall spent $750 million on national political candidates from 2000–2020.
Lobbying Goals: Efforts often aimed to block climate legislation, oppose methane regulation, or secure favorable agricultural policies that maintain or expand livestock-intensive production.
2. Across the U.S. and globally, these expenditures reach hundreds of millions of dollars annually, with individual corporations dedicating millions to multi-channel ad campaigns and scientific influence operations.
The recurring pattern resembles tactics historically used by Big Tobacco and Big Oil, aiming to shape public opinion, delay regulatory action, and protect profits at the expense of climate and public health.
3. In 2022, the global meat industry spent $4.8 billion on advertising,
Here's how a vegan diet plays into my moral sensibility: I do not totally trust anyone who can justify killing animals, for I know that this is the gateway to dehumanizing people and justifying killing them.
This truth , tho shared by few, has been the insight of the greatest mind in history.
"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other.
Pythagoras
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.( he was unaware that dairy farming is the most abusive)."
Albert Einstein
Nearly everyone I know and interact with consume meat and dairy, and I treat them with kindness, but I do not fully trust them.
For I know that behind the justification for consuming animal products rests a lie, often a lie to ourselves;and in my world, the enemy is the lie and those who lie. And if you scream for an end to human slaughter while continuing to pay for animal slaughter, I see that as a moral failure that warns me to beware, tho I treat you with kindness but caution.
Cook high oxalate plants to leach and combine with high calcium plants; the secret is combination: kale, turnip greens, and collard greens have relatively low levels of oxalates. Red meat, according to the IARC, is carcinogenic (especially if processed) and dairy promotes prostate cancer, according to studies at the NIH National Libarary of Medicine. So, as with all diets, educate yourself and, with food as your medicine, live a long and healthy life.
It also acts as a Bat Signal to genuinely awesome people in your life that it's safe to express how they really feel about the Genocide of the Palestinian people around you
It's the same with the Epstein Files, and yes, they are connected.
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class are the main supporters of Zionism in the West. Rothschilds Bankster family in France believe in the Greater Israel Project, and PRACTICE Incest. They are not shy, they marry their cousins. Men may be permitted to marry outside, but NOT women. Macrons are in this orbit. Epstein was introduced to Les Wexler and his Billions, by the Rothschilds.
When someone says I'm crazy or "need help" is a fav phrase, because I bring up the Rothschilds-Epstein Class in connection to Israel and Zionists, it is because they are all in the same soup. They are the SAME thing. All the Surveillance Companies are owned by Zionists. They are infesting the USA with massive Data Center for the AI SURVEILLANCE STATE.
ALL of this connects to Zionism, and the Greater Israel Project. When someone doesn't like to hear about the Rothschilds or EPSTEIN PEDOES, its because people want to FORGET that NOT ONE PEDOPHILE from the Epstein Files has been arrested in the USA. NOT ONE... and there are thousands of files no one has seen yet.
If the Epstein Files and me saying EPSTEIN PEDOES run the USA, offends people or upsets them... GOOD. It should!
If the Genocide and IDF using toddlers for target practice upsets them... GOOD. It should!!!
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class controls with blackmail & bribes & Their sick Clubs.
They are Zionists who would use the Sampson Option and kill Their own people to rule over the ashes. That is just how twisted these people are.
Being a Zionist makes you either a Pedoe or a Pedoe Protector. They have no morality, and only value Money & Power. Ignore the Epstein file Crimes, and it's the same.
If you would brush over genocide, then ignoring the abuse of innocents is easy.
In the case of Israel and the Epstein Class, to not take a side, is siding with the Abusers and Evil. It should be any EASY choice. Weird that for some... it's complicated. NO. It is not.
The Rothschilds-Epstein Class is building Our CAGE and Their new workforce
🚫ALL DATA CENTERS ✌️
I can attest. "Friends" have grown increasingly quiet over the past 3 years. And I increasingly couldn't give a fuck.
🩷🌿🕊️🍉
I very much agree. It means that I never have to deal with the crap zionist relatives that I'm related to on my mother's side. And it also weeds out the worst piece of shit that I can imagine, my disgusting cousin Bibi Netanyahu. I feel I'm pretty safe in saying that nobody on this planet has a worse relative than I do.
Yep, you win that particular competition.
Yikes. I grew up in a very Jewish community on Long Island and have been on the outs with my best friend since childhood siince the genocide started.
Sad for you Debbie. Love you xoxo
Thank you.
Sounds like a good excuse to skip family reunions.
Believe me. I don’t get invited.
Like Rosalind says, you win. Lol. Thankfully, I’ve been exiled from most of my relatives, and it’s a huge blessing.
I don’t even need to be forceful. Being unapologetic is enough to make most of the cowards run.
I seem to be using a person's opinion on Palestine and the genocide as judgement as to their worth to continue as a friend.......or not.
Any serious look at Western governments will surely convince you of the need for large quantities of asshole repellent in the world.
CJ>>"Being forcefully pro-Palestine is the most efficient way to weed all the worst people out of your life."
💯 Couldn't agree with you more, Caitlin & Tim! ❤️🙏
I've experienced TOO MANY such people in my life (that I apparently didn't know well enough) before. The Genocide in Palestine (as it's not just Gaza being Genocided) has definitely exposed ALL KINDS of such people...
Also, through this experience, I've refined my thinking on MORALITY quite a bit.
The thing that astonishes me the most, Chang, is that I know a number of people who were strong during the coronahoax/deadly Covax rollout (and saw through it right from the start) but who are also pro-Israel/Zionist. They are seemingly unaware that the same people who massacre Palestinians are the same people behind Convid1984 & the Vax...WTF!!!
No mystery here grahamlyons. They (these people you talk of) NEVER saw through Covid, they fell HARD for anti-vaxx propaganda (and related conspiracy theories). Is it any wonder, then, that they also succumbed to Zionist/Israeli propaganda? You may be the exception here, and that's good for you, but the pattern holds. Being easily deceived by false narratives and propaganda often carries over to other situations too. Someone who gets taken in by one false story has no special protection against the next one.
Just so we're clear, I'm an evidence-based science person, whereas you seem to be on the anti-vaxx/conspiracy-theory side of things. I don't think that we're likely to resolve that basic disagreement, or the different ways we each understand the world. So if you respond from your anti-vaxx perspective, this discussion is going to go nowhere, and it's not worth pursuing further.
Show me the evidence-based science that the covid shots were properly tested. Show me the evidence-based science that the covid test kits actually worked reliably.
Those injections have killed and injured millions of people worldwide. The mandates were a crime of immense proportions.
The replies of JG Miller and Chang to my comment serve to emphasise my point. I suspect they took the vax.
Peter, this isn't really a request for evidence, is it? If you genuinely wanted to examine the evidence, you could do so very easily. You're using a familiar conspiracy-theory tactic: demand an impossibly broad proof of the entire proposition, ignore the enormous body of evidence that already exists, and then treat any answer as something else to challenge.
More importantly, you've shifted the burden of proof. You made the claims that the vaccines weren't properly tested and that the tests didn't work reliably. You need to provide specific evidence for those claims. "Show me that they were properly tested" isn't evidence that they weren't.
At this point, I'm not interested in playing this game. You have an anti-vaxx narrative you're determined to defend, rather than an open question you're genuinely trying to resolve. That's not truth-seeking; it's confirmation-seeking.
Further discussion is therefore pointless.
Da irrst Du aber ganz gewaltig!
"But you're completely wrong about that" (addressed to Chang).
Your open declaration of disdain for science and diminishment of the suffering of millions in a worldwide pandemic puts people like you in another easy-to-steer-clear-of category. You’re a conspiracy nutter who is easily swayed and reshaped by internet nonsense, and you’re sure of yourself.
Disdain of "Science" What Science ????
Brought to you by Pfizer
Right. Anyone who argues for science and common sense must have a corporate puppet master they sold their soul to.
“It’s like spraying yourself with asshole repellant.”
Were I a capitalist, I would would sense a marketing opportunity in the fragrance environment.
"...They’re not the sort of person you want in your life."
Maybe not, but we can't all "divorce" our parents, children, cousins, aunts and uncles. If we stand for love of all humanity and morality, then we don't kick our family members to the curbside. We talk to them and let them know how we feel and why we feel that way, but we don't automatically kick them out of our lives. They may yet come to see the genocide and Israel the way we do. If we love them, we owe them that chance. (And many are coming to see things like us from our bold examples of standing up for Palestinians.)
It's tough but I don't think it's possible to love someone who thinks this is ok. I couldn't.
It is tough. But love is a choice--not cheap sentimentalism. I'm not going to stop loving my child or my parent even if I don't agree with them on something. The world has enough hate in it already. No need to start hating our family members.
Is so refreshing to remove yourself from;
‘Its so complex, you have to look at both side’- no it isn’t and no you don’t
‘But anti Zionism is antisemitism’- no it isn’t, okay see you around.
If people cannot bother to open their eyes and educate themselves for the last 3 years, well thankfully they are not my problem anymore.
I have actually lost what I thought was a good friend over the Israel war on Palestine,s. I had asked Mrx if any of the 50,000 Palestines killed was a war crime, answer was no they are all terrorists, what about the medical staff, answer terrorists. Journalist killed, answer terrorists also. With standard line. Israel has the right to defnd its self. So I stopped communicating, finding it to difficult to seperate the Israel and Jew believer from what I liked about this person. In the end I had to reconcile the good from the bad, and the bad just out weighted the good. Mrx could not understand from my perspective that being so one sided on the israel Jewish position made me feel to uncomfortable to have a balanced discussion on any topic, for fear of his rigid inflexible manner and unable to see what is right and what is wrong. I feel all the better for moving on.
A prominent report by Brown University's Costs of War project states that Israeli military actions in Gaza have killed more journalists and media workers tha the U.S. Civil War, World Wars I and II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Yugoslav Wars, and the post-9/11 war in Afghanistan - COMBINED.
All terrorists, no doubt. It's just a thought terminating cliche to avaoid having to face unpleasant facts.
Not journalists at all
So you now are in charge of deciding who is a "journalist"?
I’m in charge of scepticism
No way. Impossibly complex for any of us. Everything to be denied, all possible misinformation, nothing to be trusted
These facts should be constantly aired by the press to show the balance in Israel having the right to defend its self. At what cost to life is this line really about.
This is but the tip of an ugly iceberg.
The sad reality is that most people dont question the media
Alar Israel is always right in what they have done to fefend themselfs. No idependent . So no validation and verification. So who owns the media?.
Can confirm
I was recently called 'an Israel hating moron'. 'Great Scott!' I thought, because being called a moron can be quite insulting. Not so much though when the person doing it is a pedlar of fake facts, made-up history and utterly rancid garbage. When the person doing it could quite easily see how moronic their own beliefs are by taking a convenient trip to Wikipedia. Which, of course, they're too determinedly self-deluding ever to do. But: what if they did? What if a sudden fascination for facts robbed Israel of its supporters? A slew of new sites designed specifically to prevent discussion suggests Israel has identified the problem. Take a look at a page called 'Never Again' for example. Only allegiance to pro-Israel bollocks allowed. A safe space cesspool where spiteful little racists prop each other up, congratulate one another on their despicableness, and learn new lies to help them never question anything. Given the flimsiness of its propaganda, Israel needs its supporters unthinking. The comments inspire despair. What sort of people become concentration camp guards, torturers, snipers who target children, and people who turn off incubators to leave infants to die? Look no further. These are the empathy-free individuals who rejoice in the death of others, and thrill to all the suffering Israel loves to heap upon its victims. They are sadists, supporting a sadist state. Evil supporting Evil. It is an honour to be despised by them.
Exactly.
Just yesterday I read a credible tale of the utter depravity of Israel. What makes it so bad is that one gets the impression that this was their idea of fun, this thing that would never even cross the mind of any semi-decent person.
----
At the Integrity Media whistleblower roundtable in Chicago, Kiriakou told deep state stories about Israeli influence over the United States.
“I sat next to a guy at the CIA for years, he’s a dear friend,” Kiriakou said during the whistleblower panel moderated by Greenwald.
“His wife sat ten feet away from us. And when I was transferred to Bahrain in the 1990s, he and his wife were transferred to Jerusalem. They were overt CIA employees. And so when they arrived in Israel, they were re-declared to the Israeli Mossad, where the station chief takes them to Mossad and says — These are my officers. They’re here to work with you.”
“Well, the wife was there to work with them, and the husband was taking a sabbatical to learn Arabic at one of the universities. They went to a welcome party, it’s called a hail and farewell party, at the ambassador’s residence in Tel Aviv. When they got home, all of their living room furniture had been rearranged.”
“And they said — Okay. All right. Well, this is what they do, just to tell us that they can do whatever they want, whenever they want it. We get it.”
“A few months later, at the ambassador’s Christmas party they drive back from Tel Aviv, and people had defecated in all of the toilets in their house. Another message, we can come into your house anytime we want, and there’s nothing you can do about it.”
“When they were getting ready to leave at the end of their two year tour, the Ambassador had the farewell party for them. And when they got home, the dog was under the dining room table whimpering. Somebody had cut its tail off and wrapped the stub in medical tape and gauze.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2026/09/30/in-the-end-we-all-die-anyway/
Not an isolated incident.
“From the UK, they went on to Israel, and getting back to this, you know, scatological thing, this obsession that the Israelis have. In his hotel room, somebody had defecated in the toilet, but then used his bath towel to wipe himself, and then laid it out on the bed for him.”
----
I regret to say this is not the most depraved action I have ever heard tell of. That honor belongs to the police force of Kuwait. It was much worse, in a sort of trans-Manson zone. It haunts me. You don't want to know anything about it.
I've lost a couple of close friends. It does hurt. But probably what hurts the most is not the loss itself but finding out how wrong I was about them, when I thought they were decent humans.
More difficult even are the majority, who whisper conspiratorially about how awful it all is but still insist they don't know enough to shout/try not to listen to the news for their own mental health/believe we aren't involved so what can we do?
Don't be hard on yourself. We all need to journey like this.
Here is the gist of it, the dilemma of trying to survive in a crazy world: "In a world that has gone mad, it’s important to find little signposts of clarity to help you morally orient yourself so you don’t get swept up in the insanity with the herd."
Palestine is one, and most of the world is with us, so it's not that hard since the majority condemn Israel.
What is hard, and therefore a signpost is refusing to participate in the slaughter of animals. That puts you in a tiny minority often mocked and scorned. It's not hard to hold your moral ground when most agree with you: "Most Americans no longer approve of Israel’s military campaign against Hamas in Gaza, according to a new survey from Gallup, in a downward trend for Israel compared to a November poll."
The true test is being in the tiny minority, as we once were opposing the wars that were initially supported by most , on a moral issue that is only held by a small percentage subject to constanct ridicule or condemnation. And that is why I see a link between opposing Israel's criminal war and opposing the slaughter of animals,not as a side issue but as the SAME issue: opposing human cruelty and working to reduce suffering.
Some people see eating animals (very mistakenly) as a survival issue. Because Big Ag drives the train, education has been slow.
Yes the myth that we need animal products to survive has been totally debunked scientifically, but Big Meat and Dairy spend huge amounts to promote the myth as well as deny scientific evidence of the harm of meat/dairy production and effects on health.
1. U.S. agribusiness overall spent $750 million on national political candidates from 2000–2020.
Lobbying Goals: Efforts often aimed to block climate legislation, oppose methane regulation, or secure favorable agricultural policies that maintain or expand livestock-intensive production.
2. Across the U.S. and globally, these expenditures reach hundreds of millions of dollars annually, with individual corporations dedicating millions to multi-channel ad campaigns and scientific influence operations.
The recurring pattern resembles tactics historically used by Big Tobacco and Big Oil, aiming to shape public opinion, delay regulatory action, and protect profits at the expense of climate and public health.
3. In 2022, the global meat industry spent $4.8 billion on advertising,
Here's how a vegan diet plays into my moral sensibility: I do not totally trust anyone who can justify killing animals, for I know that this is the gateway to dehumanizing people and justifying killing them.
This truth , tho shared by few, has been the insight of the greatest mind in history.
"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other.
Pythagoras
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.( he was unaware that dairy farming is the most abusive)."
Albert Einstein
Nearly everyone I know and interact with consume meat and dairy, and I treat them with kindness, but I do not fully trust them.
For I know that behind the justification for consuming animal products rests a lie, often a lie to ourselves;and in my world, the enemy is the lie and those who lie. And if you scream for an end to human slaughter while continuing to pay for animal slaughter, I see that as a moral failure that warns me to beware, tho I treat you with kindness but caution.
Yep.
Please Mary, research oxalates. Search out Sally K Norton - the oxalate queen.
It might change your mind.
In what way?
Cook high oxalate plants to leach and combine with high calcium plants; the secret is combination: kale, turnip greens, and collard greens have relatively low levels of oxalates. Red meat, according to the IARC, is carcinogenic (especially if processed) and dairy promotes prostate cancer, according to studies at the NIH National Libarary of Medicine. So, as with all diets, educate yourself and, with food as your medicine, live a long and healthy life.
totally agree, dems (including dsa and bernie) should tie their support for palestine to mandatory veganism for every american 😆.
I sense sarcasm and a rejection of the primacy of compassion as the key to end suffering whether human or non-human. I sense bad faith sarcasm.
correct on the sarcasm. i do not believe you brought this up out of compassion.
My Brother, unfortunately.