He has already been incarcerated for more time than the average convicted murderer in the US serves.
His crime? Embarrassing the American government. Meanwhile the egregious scumbags Brennan and Clapper, at the core of the spying on all American citizens, who lied to the faces of Congress about their systematic trampling of the Fourth Amendment? No charge, no conviction, no punishment.
If his crime is "embarrassing the American government," and I'm not arguing it's not, then McDonald Trump should have been convicted of the same six years ago and he should have been executed by now because surely he has embarrassed the American government so thoroughly and effectively, it deserves the death penalty so long as there is one. Instead, nothing. Fat Donny walks free and rich so he can compare himself to MLK to a braindead meat sack audience that is a mockery of human life.
This is your takeaway related to the Supreme Court's overturning Roe v Wade? Not that the Supreme Court is going to overturn it or is even considering overturning it, but instead who leaked that they were considering it?
Those who support the draconian anti-abortion agenda and are implementing it I consider my enemies for they are fascists through and through and yes, I truly believe Greenwald is a fascist — a log cabin fascist.
We kind of are. Assange is a hacker and he's partial and selective in his hacking. Assange helped get Trump elected. Don't get me wrong, I am not laying Hillary's defeat solely at Assange's feet. The Dems and Hillary herself are ultimately to blame for their defeat, but it's undeniable Assange was pro-Trump and as such that makes him every bit a fascist enabler just as Hillary and the Dems are fascist enablers as is witnessed by their inability to prosecute Trump and his fascist goons.
I think, or at least I hope, this is what Caitlin means when she says American "Democratic Socialists." I think, and once again I hope, it's a clever reference to the Weimar Republic during the rise of the Nazis and the fecklessness of the German Democratic Socialists (Social Democrats). The Dems, and I would say Progressives too, are America's version of the Weimar Republic's Democratic Socialists (Social Democrats) that allowed Hitler and the Nazis to rise and seize power.
****WikiLeaks has devoted itself exclusively to the release of documents that might damage Hillary Clinton. It would be a mistake to view this merely as an anti-Clinton intervention in the US election. It is positively pro-Trump.****
Considering how much info wikileaks had maybe the decision was the best of a bad bunch. Hillary is completely untrustworthy as is, in hindsight for me, Obama. I used to think Obama was full of words and no action. But I was mistaken, the words were a distraction for his actions which were ones of a despot under the control of genocidal billionaires who had relocated most of their capital to China.
Why stop at Trump? Obama has embarrassed the world far more than Trump! Obama actually said, "the bankers actions were not illegal, only immoral" while he was staring down the largest corporate crime spree the world had ever witnessed!
Embarrassed the world? Huh? This is about embarrassing America and more specifically about embarrassing America's Establishment. How is Obama doing everything you just mentioned embarrassing America's Establishment? It's exactly what the American Establishment wanted and on top of that, Obama could deliver the oligarchical goods in elegant and eloquent fashion. Trump, on the other hand, was and is an embarrassment in that he is a narcissistic, crude and rude ignoramus. Trump may have delivered the oligarchical goods in the form of further deregulation and a massive tax cut for the wealthy elite and stacking the court with fascist judges who will do the oligarch's bidding, but he did so at a price and that price was embarrassing the Establishment with insane puerile antics.
I’ve always thought that Trump supporters have looked at the pathetic Hobson’s choice served up to the American public every four years and find themselves in the usual quandary. Frozen boot vs sharp stick. Sure Trump is awful but he does seem to be resistant to being told what to do while it is the essence of Biden.
I would agree with all that. In fact his awfulness is the attraction, the dispossessed intuit the depth of their own disenfranchisement and he mocks the shared enemy. His incompetence even adds to the spectacle because it elicits from them such derangement.
Yup, more “ sticking it to the man”. The Dems can’t see that and continue to fan that flame, all the while sliming Trump, who is perfectly able to do that himself.
I went to a rally for Julian a while back in the s f killafornia city. They thought I was a criminal, but let me speak with a mask on about how Julian is being tortured in jail. thirteen people at that one.
Another in Oakland grand lake theatre had maybe fifty.
Haven't seen nor heard of any support for him since , most of a year...
Now we are too busy with the disCog war or disCog scamdemic to know what is news not lies...
Journalism got killed.
R I Poland... who sent the most troops to die in nUkraine sic
Another vile and inhuman act by the Parasite Oligarchs trying to silence Truth. To hell with these people and FREE ASSANGE. This alone is worth all of our undying support. Add it to the list of what is happening, and why every adult human being on the planet should be in the streets right now.
All I could think about reading this post was how perverse the American population truly is. They care deeply about 2 narcissistic and grotesque celebrities going through a disgusting divorce.....many were glued to their TV sets watching this charade, calling for "justice" yet the most important justice for a man, Assange, who truly deserves it is largely ignored.
These thoughts are largely why I feel so alone in most of my interactions.
I realize that with the Espionage Act, Assange can't make the affirmative defense about there being a moral imperative to release the information, but I could imagine a well-crafted defense that all but does that by forcing enough of the evidence in to make it apparent.
If Assange gets a gaudy America-style, televised trial, the public may be more responsive to a rehearing of the facts now than it was 2010.
This is a political case that will require a political solution (i.e. pardon or commutation), so public opinion actually matters, and there may be a critical mass of disgust with war to turn things in his favor.
I can only hope it's broadcast, but I'm sure for "national security" reasons (read, further exposure) will keep it closed. We can only hope there is a jury that will do the right thing.
I don't think they could keep observers/press out and have a completely secret trial, but it's Federal court, so yeah, probably nothing like the Johnny Depp case.
We need the media to step up, and you'd think they would, but as Glen Greenwald says, they are mostly shamed by Assange's example of proper reporting.
This includes an excellent and important perspective. I have tried, from time to time, to place myself into his 11-year ordeal. Impossible to even get close.
But I know this: If I understood that it was having some effect--"forcing the empire to extend some of its ugliness into the light"--that at least some are seeing better, I think that would be a light in my own personal nightmare.
We owe it to him to celebrate the fruits of his courage and sacrifice, even as we also suffer in sympathy and may feel pulled toward an abyss of despair.
Assange is showing courage in the face of something I cannot even imagine experiencing. The sheer mind-numbing fact that he is in jail while so many criminals are not only running around free, but running around posing as "leaders," is stomach churning.
I notice many of the comments are partisan and missing the point. There is only one party in the US. Forget left forget right forget boxes and labels. If we are for freedom we are the opposition.
We patriots that support freedom of the press need to rally to Assange’s defense. He only exposed the truth, which is contrary to the cia’s doings and the Hillary campaign that undercut Bernie Sander. His truth on the USA and foreign doings is subject to debate and transparency, not that this can ever be achieved with the current cia operation. We have seen too much lying and redacted coverup to trust where the truth is even in our own domestic affairs. The fbi and cia need to be overhauled and many of its members fired.
The majority of the people are stuck, believing the lies of their revered political leaders; unable to budge from their fear, they blindly protect themselves from thinking, feeling, and caring about what is just, right and honorable. You are a leading voice on Julian's behalf--we just need to amplify your posts to the far corners of the earth! Thank you
By God you're exactly right Caitlin and you put it well, too.
I'll forward it everywhere I can. Unfortunately that's not a lot.
It's totally criminal, the behaviour of our Australian government, I believe. Completely far, far beyond anything we would ever have thought them capable of.
But we've just had two covid years and have seen what they'll do.
We are seeing the same campaign against doctors and scientists and it is incomprehensible. The spectacle of Simone Gold being 'punished' is frightening beyond words.
I'm confused about the legality of this case. The charge is supposed to be that he asked for a hacking of secured data, right? The state's witness recanted, the last I saw.
Why is this extradition still a thing? The whole case has fallen apart, hasn't it?
He has already been incarcerated for more time than the average convicted murderer in the US serves.
His crime? Embarrassing the American government. Meanwhile the egregious scumbags Brennan and Clapper, at the core of the spying on all American citizens, who lied to the faces of Congress about their systematic trampling of the Fourth Amendment? No charge, no conviction, no punishment.
If his crime is "embarrassing the American government," and I'm not arguing it's not, then McDonald Trump should have been convicted of the same six years ago and he should have been executed by now because surely he has embarrassed the American government so thoroughly and effectively, it deserves the death penalty so long as there is one. Instead, nothing. Fat Donny walks free and rich so he can compare himself to MLK to a braindead meat sack audience that is a mockery of human life.
We're not talking about Trump right now.
thank you
So, looking at your Substack page gives me everything I need to know about you. This, that you hearted.
https://technofog.substack.com/p/revisiting-the-flynnkislyak-leak?utm_source=%2Fprofile%2F18801691-ikester8&utm_medium=reader2
This is your takeaway related to the Supreme Court's overturning Roe v Wade? Not that the Supreme Court is going to overturn it or is even considering overturning it, but instead who leaked that they were considering it?
Those who support the draconian anti-abortion agenda and are implementing it I consider my enemies for they are fascists through and through and yes, I truly believe Greenwald is a fascist — a log cabin fascist.
We kind of are. Assange is a hacker and he's partial and selective in his hacking. Assange helped get Trump elected. Don't get me wrong, I am not laying Hillary's defeat solely at Assange's feet. The Dems and Hillary herself are ultimately to blame for their defeat, but it's undeniable Assange was pro-Trump and as such that makes him every bit a fascist enabler just as Hillary and the Dems are fascist enablers as is witnessed by their inability to prosecute Trump and his fascist goons.
I think, or at least I hope, this is what Caitlin means when she says American "Democratic Socialists." I think, and once again I hope, it's a clever reference to the Weimar Republic during the rise of the Nazis and the fecklessness of the German Democratic Socialists (Social Democrats). The Dems, and I would say Progressives too, are America's version of the Weimar Republic's Democratic Socialists (Social Democrats) that allowed Hitler and the Nazis to rise and seize power.
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/19/wikileaks-why-is-assange-helping-trump/
****WikiLeaks has devoted itself exclusively to the release of documents that might damage Hillary Clinton. It would be a mistake to view this merely as an anti-Clinton intervention in the US election. It is positively pro-Trump.****
Considering how much info wikileaks had maybe the decision was the best of a bad bunch. Hillary is completely untrustworthy as is, in hindsight for me, Obama. I used to think Obama was full of words and no action. But I was mistaken, the words were a distraction for his actions which were ones of a despot under the control of genocidal billionaires who had relocated most of their capital to China.
Also the fact that you don't like Greenwald, well hate to say it but your unconscious is telling you something about this here blog you're posting on.
You’re for hacking equity, is that it?
Why stop at Trump? Obama has embarrassed the world far more than Trump! Obama actually said, "the bankers actions were not illegal, only immoral" while he was staring down the largest corporate crime spree the world had ever witnessed!
Embarrassed the world? Huh? This is about embarrassing America and more specifically about embarrassing America's Establishment. How is Obama doing everything you just mentioned embarrassing America's Establishment? It's exactly what the American Establishment wanted and on top of that, Obama could deliver the oligarchical goods in elegant and eloquent fashion. Trump, on the other hand, was and is an embarrassment in that he is a narcissistic, crude and rude ignoramus. Trump may have delivered the oligarchical goods in the form of further deregulation and a massive tax cut for the wealthy elite and stacking the court with fascist judges who will do the oligarch's bidding, but he did so at a price and that price was embarrassing the Establishment with insane puerile antics.
If you think Trump was worse than Obama, I simply have no words.
Then I would suggest you get a new Russian to English interpretive program. There are good ones out there. Putin is such a cheapskate.
Oh, because if I despise Obama worse than Trump, I am a Putin suppprter? Get off this post if you are an official story believer.
He surely qualifies. In a previous time such people were kept in the attic. But Assange is not in that category.
Perfectly put: I and other Trump supporters are a mockery of human life.
This is a very honest assessment of elite opinion about me and others who support Trump. This is the level of elite distaste for me and mine.
I’ve always thought that Trump supporters have looked at the pathetic Hobson’s choice served up to the American public every four years and find themselves in the usual quandary. Frozen boot vs sharp stick. Sure Trump is awful but he does seem to be resistant to being told what to do while it is the essence of Biden.
Some of the coins flipped come up tails.
I would agree with all that. In fact his awfulness is the attraction, the dispossessed intuit the depth of their own disenfranchisement and he mocks the shared enemy. His incompetence even adds to the spectacle because it elicits from them such derangement.
Yup, more “ sticking it to the man”. The Dems can’t see that and continue to fan that flame, all the while sliming Trump, who is perfectly able to do that himself.
I went to a rally for Julian a while back in the s f killafornia city. They thought I was a criminal, but let me speak with a mask on about how Julian is being tortured in jail. thirteen people at that one.
Another in Oakland grand lake theatre had maybe fifty.
Haven't seen nor heard of any support for him since , most of a year...
Now we are too busy with the disCog war or disCog scamdemic to know what is news not lies...
Journalism got killed.
R I Poland... who sent the most troops to die in nUkraine sic
Assange is a Millennial thing. The next generations aren't interested in him.
I am a Boomer and I am concerned for and interested in Assange's freedom.
The generations subsequent to the Millennials, not prior. My children are of these generations and Assange is hardly on their radar.
For that matter, Ukraine and Russia are hardly on their radar either.
For many younger people, the revelations and fate of Assange are not news.
Another vile and inhuman act by the Parasite Oligarchs trying to silence Truth. To hell with these people and FREE ASSANGE. This alone is worth all of our undying support. Add it to the list of what is happening, and why every adult human being on the planet should be in the streets right now.
All I could think about reading this post was how perverse the American population truly is. They care deeply about 2 narcissistic and grotesque celebrities going through a disgusting divorce.....many were glued to their TV sets watching this charade, calling for "justice" yet the most important justice for a man, Assange, who truly deserves it is largely ignored.
These thoughts are largely why I feel so alone in most of my interactions.
Boom! Nailed it! And they vote.
"When Exposing a Crime is Treated as Committing a Crime, You Are Ruled By Criminals." Yes, all of them.
I am so stealing that.
I realize that with the Espionage Act, Assange can't make the affirmative defense about there being a moral imperative to release the information, but I could imagine a well-crafted defense that all but does that by forcing enough of the evidence in to make it apparent.
If Assange gets a gaudy America-style, televised trial, the public may be more responsive to a rehearing of the facts now than it was 2010.
This is a political case that will require a political solution (i.e. pardon or commutation), so public opinion actually matters, and there may be a critical mass of disgust with war to turn things in his favor.
One can hope.
I can only hope it's broadcast, but I'm sure for "national security" reasons (read, further exposure) will keep it closed. We can only hope there is a jury that will do the right thing.
I don't think they could keep observers/press out and have a completely secret trial, but it's Federal court, so yeah, probably nothing like the Johnny Depp case.
We need the media to step up, and you'd think they would, but as Glen Greenwald says, they are mostly shamed by Assange's example of proper reporting.
Really! Where’s Amber and Johnny when we need them?
DORE '24
Yes! America's very own Zelenskyy.
This includes an excellent and important perspective. I have tried, from time to time, to place myself into his 11-year ordeal. Impossible to even get close.
But I know this: If I understood that it was having some effect--"forcing the empire to extend some of its ugliness into the light"--that at least some are seeing better, I think that would be a light in my own personal nightmare.
We owe it to him to celebrate the fruits of his courage and sacrifice, even as we also suffer in sympathy and may feel pulled toward an abyss of despair.
Assange is showing courage in the face of something I cannot even imagine experiencing. The sheer mind-numbing fact that he is in jail while so many criminals are not only running around free, but running around posing as "leaders," is stomach churning.
I agree. How Assange can be persecuted and McDonald Trump roams free is a fine example.
I notice many of the comments are partisan and missing the point. There is only one party in the US. Forget left forget right forget boxes and labels. If we are for freedom we are the opposition.
We patriots that support freedom of the press need to rally to Assange’s defense. He only exposed the truth, which is contrary to the cia’s doings and the Hillary campaign that undercut Bernie Sander. His truth on the USA and foreign doings is subject to debate and transparency, not that this can ever be achieved with the current cia operation. We have seen too much lying and redacted coverup to trust where the truth is even in our own domestic affairs. The fbi and cia need to be overhauled and many of its members fired.
The majority of the people are stuck, believing the lies of their revered political leaders; unable to budge from their fear, they blindly protect themselves from thinking, feeling, and caring about what is just, right and honorable. You are a leading voice on Julian's behalf--we just need to amplify your posts to the far corners of the earth! Thank you
By God you're exactly right Caitlin and you put it well, too.
I'll forward it everywhere I can. Unfortunately that's not a lot.
It's totally criminal, the behaviour of our Australian government, I believe. Completely far, far beyond anything we would ever have thought them capable of.
But we've just had two covid years and have seen what they'll do.
It is sad. Awful. And sad.
Good for you. I will pass it on.
No “PAYtriots” fighting for Assange says everything. It’s all BS.
We are seeing the same campaign against doctors and scientists and it is incomprehensible. The spectacle of Simone Gold being 'punished' is frightening beyond words.
Not to worry, there's still Stella Immanuel.
Trump has a dream and that dream is that he never experiences arthritis so he can keep grabbing pussy until the day he dies.
A paid troll
I'm confused about the legality of this case. The charge is supposed to be that he asked for a hacking of secured data, right? The state's witness recanted, the last I saw.
Why is this extradition still a thing? The whole case has fallen apart, hasn't it?
You, apparently, have not challenged the official story in a courtroom.
The rule of law has been dead for decades.
I am sure every state operative knows what they must do if they want to continue in their careers.