It wasn't until that vile miscreant Victoria Nuland stirred things up under Obama that they became enemies. How much blood is that monstrous freak responsible for spilling? And before anyone defends Obama (both Republican and Democrat are just as bad - two wings of the same empiric vulture), watch these:
In my view, Zelensky who ran on peace with Russia turned against them when his approval sank to 24% and he was about to be ousted as a corrupt and failed leader, so he wagged the dog, raising the red flag of Natoization, which he knew, due to years of warnings, would provoke an aggressive Russian reaction. He like all tyrants uses whatever is useful to gain power, an opportunist at best.
Well, much of politics is acting, withness Reagan and Trump. His series Servant of the People, funded by the same corrupt oligarch (Kolomoisky) who funded his political career, was excellent...he's a good actor. Sadly, his role as President is a total betrayal of the role he played in the series.
usaid, ned and cia bolstered rightwing ultra-nationalist militants refused to go along with zelensky's peace attempts, didn't take him seriously and outright threatened to take him out. the ukraine episode is 95% (us-)empire's responsibility.
Can you document those claims? It was, as reported, Boris Johnson, PM of the UK, who talked him out of a peace settlement, offering miltary and financial aid. I don't know who else was involved so please provide evidence and sources. As a skeptic, I am ready to believe if shown the evidence.
it's a hunch. :-). maybe ask the ai chatbots. there's some footage of zelensky at the front trying to convince hard right militias to do the peace-thing without succes. there's pictures of azov-militants in western parliaments, getting medals, there's post-ww2 history of oun-b, here's a link to some reports i generally trust https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=017930374292714292268%3Avw5cotp1r2c&q=ukraine&sa=Search
You are way off on the truth here. Way off. Take your shit conspiracy ideas and shove them where the sun don’t shine! I’m not bothering to unwind your ridiculous lies, stupidity and misrepresentations.
What can one possibly add to: "Our world will never know peace as long as these freaks are at the steering wheel" -- Except: if you can't change the car's driver, it may be necessary to impound the vehicle to the scrapyard and crush it into submission in the hydraulic compressor. I fear that only that crushing of the empire will ever stop this endless march to war.
It's the entire planet's dream and the fault of the Americans asleep at the wheel. The fact y'all are waking up to a nightmare is BCS a democracy requires all hands on deck. At all times. To be fair, they built y'all a recreation nation to keep you occupied and distracted. Sad for those few heroes along the way that were willing to swim against the current, for those drowning and for you sleep walkers...
Sooooooo much evil has come outta that country directed to people abroad but also to people at home.
For the US, international law is a toothless theory. Look at Netanyahoo. The ICJ and ICC, along with nearly the entire world, declares him a war criminal and demands his arrest, and he's celebrated in Washington as a great man to be admired and congratulated by every member of Congress, Biden, Trump, all of the war criminals.
Zero accountability for the very worst monsters on earth. As Caitlin says, it'll be exactly the same for whatever outcome we witness in the Ukraine debacle. Trump may help end this war but he's already demanding free access to all of Ukraine's rare earth minerals, so he wants to pillage Ukraine exactly the way the US rapes, murders and pillages around the world any time it takes a notion. No accountability, ever. International law is a sick joke.
I think it is something more than just profits. The sense of power - crushing weaker opponent is a powerful drug. That is why USA/israel/West will never attack someone who can fight back and give them bloody nose. Only weak and unarmed like what Zionist jews and christians do to unarmed Palestinians. And majority of humans are naturally predisposed to be power hungry corrupt a$$holes. No one will admit it but facts are undeniable. Being powerful is NOT being great. To be great one first must be just and fair. But in this corrupt shity world fairness, justice, and truth will not make one rich and powerful.
A 24 year old kid? And you have the hutzpah to complain about 24 year olds running amok in the Treasury and SS!
Oy vey iz mir.
Look, I hate that there is a coup going on.
But we had no business in Ukraine in the first place.
We started that war, used Ukrainians as cannon fodder.
The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.
That said, Trump calling Zelensky a dictator is a new order of madness.
Tell Hogg to sit the phuque down, tell the DNC to focus on how screwed working people - black brown red yellow white - really are and do something about it!!!!!
Well ! The good news here is most Americans no longer trust the deeply complicit warmongering US media . So Rachel and her fellow warmongers may as well talk to themselves in their mirrors -because America ain't watching MSNBC , CNN , and etc. or falling for their reeking BS
It is suicidal to denounce those who are working for the goals you set:
Here is Sanders on why he voted NO for more funding for Israel and Ukraine:
"Bernie Sanders voted against supplemental funding package to provide aid to Ukraine, Israel and other allies. The bill passed the Senate on Tuesday on a vote of 70-18.
Sanders called it a 'dark day' in the Senate and said:
"I voted no tonight on the foreign aid package for one simple reason: U.S. taxpayers should not be providing billions more to the extremist Netanyahu government to continue its devastating war against the Palestinian people.
34,000 Palestinians have already been killed and 77,000 have been wounded – 70% of whom are women and children."
And even before the invasion of Ukraine, he warned US leaders of how Russia was being provoked: "Sanders quoted former defense secretary William Perry, who in a 2016 interview said, “In the last few years, most of the blame can be pointed at the actions that Putin has taken. But in the early years I have to say that the United States deserves much of the blame. Our first action that really set us off in a bad direction was when NATO started to expand, bringing in eastern European nations, some of them bordering Russia.” He also quoted current CIA head William Burns, a former diplomat, who in a 2008 memo to then–Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice wrote:
Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests." Nothing is more idiotic than condemning and blaming those who have, in the halls of power, been the most forceful in challenging the conventional "wisdom."
You didn't read the link to Sanders' (quite frankly) batshit tweet, basically saying that a mere talk between the two sides was an act of aggression against our "allies".
I thought we were trying to end this nonsense. The vote was purely symbolic, on his part. He could shut the whole thing down with his movement of people still in his corner, but he keeps dragging them to resist from the right.
I disagree. A peace in which one of the warring parties is left out and insulted remains me of the Verailles Treaty, which led to WWII. You do not want to understand; you want to condemn, and that is both easy and useless. Sanders does not have power to "shut the whole thing down" and people like you harm his effort to create the movement to do so. With Trump acting like a dictator, you choose to attack Sanders: suicidal.
So Ukraine and its unelected dictator are insulted--so what? The ultranationalist ultra right has control of their government and everything Zelensky has done since being elected has been in compliance either with them or with warhawk NATO handlers, and given the political situation, those are often the same power lines.
Worrying about insulting those people is worrying about keeping Neo Nazis happy, and will not produce the deNazification which of all things, Putin is right about--regardless of any other reasons he has for his actions.
The ethnonationalists, which the Galicians are, are never a smart idea to coddle. Smacking them down hard is the only way.
The same goes for Israel.
On both counts, Bernie's been much weaker than is ethical. This has been the case ever since his concession to HRC and, one could argue, since that fateful one on one with Obama some time before that.
I campaigned for him both times and i can tell you: his waffling and his adoption of identity politics was the real threat to democracy that he started podium-thumping about. Enough voters saw his lack of integrity and turned away; bravery and consistency with his original party-agnostic platform, where he instead displayed go-along-to-get-along, would have, no doubt about it, changed the course of history. But he chose to back down and herd his adherents toward the same administrations that have kept the meat grinder rolling along.
Politics is compromise; if you do not compromise, you exit politics and the potential for change. I prefer to understand politics. Strategic retreat (to fight another day) is a smart move if you wish to make change, by preserving your power to "fight another day" Recently, he has voted against funding to Ukraine and Israel, and got 18 Democrats in the Senate (he started with zero) to vote to stop arms shipments to Israel. To call his symbolic is to ignore that symbols pave the way to victory. The massive I have a Dream rally in DC with MLK was "symbolic" but 3 months later, after centuries of failure, the Civil Rights Act was passed. Voting is more than symbolic; it is the very act thru which change can take place. Even after the DC rally, MLK met with LBJ to work out the Civil Rights Act. Denouncing Sanders only benefits the war mongerers. You stand with them, denouncing him. I stand with him, denoucing them and those like you who work to weaken his efforts to challenge imperialism and domestic tyranny.
Zelensky is a corrupt dictator but if Ukraine is excluded from peace talks, it insults the Ukrainian people and likely leads to a retaliation like the rise of fascism after Germany's people were insulted by the Versailles Treaty, which led to the rise of the Nazis. The Nazis in Ukraine will not simply go away if a peace is imposed without respect for the Ukrainian people; their rise to power will be likely as the reaction to the insult. Zelensky will go away.....it is the people of Ukraine whose suffering and needs must be respected. If you don't understand this, you don't understand the conditions of peace and join a movement that will only bring more violence in the future.
Weakening Roooshia at a very low cost, especially if Europe steps up in sharing the load of the expense. Slavs killing Slavs. Sounds like a win-win for the U.S.
How dense are you? I just cited Sander's voting against the bill that was to fund Ukraine and Israel. I am a pacifist that risked my life and career to protest wars in the past; I want to end all wars. Your conclusions are idiotic, Feral. Spare me your absurd accusations. What we don't want is wars to end in a way that provokes more violence, as happened with WWI. What we don't want it the plutocrats of Russia, Israel, and the US taking total control..that will not lead to peace..it never has. I want no war. I want the war criminals, which includes Putin, Zelensky, Netanyanu, Hamas, an Trump and Biden to be stopped. If you truly want to stop the wars of the rich, you need to stop attacking people like Sanders and join him in opposing both war and plutocracy, twins that cannot be separated. When you attack people who vote against funding wars, you are voting for war.
Ukraine has long been Europe’s most corrupt country and with human development standards of nearly a third world country. Living off of soviet era legacy education and infrastructure was all they had. And we’re corroding. A shell of a country.
If Ukraine is at war with Russia it’s because it was controlled by the USA to do so.
WTF should a theatre puppet talk if the theatre is sold and they new theatre owner doesn’t want to play with it?
It’s ridiculous for only one to say “Ukraine doesn’t have a seat at the table” - because everyone KNOWS Ukraine was never running its own war in the first place! Every single newspaper media running these headlines is a one people should forever ignore. Because if people didn’t by know understand that these were lying rags, well it couldn’t be any more blindingly obvious.
I agree but if the Ukrainian people are insulted, as the Germans were in the Versaille Treaty, in a peace settlement, the result will likely be the same: the rise of neo-Nazi movement for revenge. The people of Ukraine must be respected as they will see being excluded from a peace settlement as illegitimate and this will empower the far right neo-Nazis, just as happened after WWI. It is for the sake of justice and peace that I take the position that the Ukrainian people must be represented and respected if a peace deal is not to lead to further violence. Zelensky can go to hell, but the people of Ukraine cannot be snubbed if you want a lasting peace.
Versaille created the motive for revenge by insulting and punishing the German people; a peace in which Ukraine is thrown under the bus will do the same. What do I propose? I propose a full discussion by all parties on what might be the best solution. Let the parties to a peace deal arise out of that discussion. What do you propose in the case of excluding Ukraine to prevent the neo Nazi far right from using the anger and hurt to rebuild a fascist and violence prone reaction?
Sanders said is valid: "In a recent tweet, political figure Bernie Sanders has made a bold statement regarding former President Donald Trump and his connections to Russian oligarchs. Sanders claims that Trump, along with his wealthy allies, is deeply intertwined with the interests of Vladimir Putin’s elite." He is speaking truth to power, Feral. While we all want the war to end, the way Trump is doing it is clearly along plutocratic lines.
Well, dale, you might want to consider watching Bernie's shameful behavior at Tulsi Gabbard's confirmation hearing. Your man appears to be seriously compromised -- probably by, as most everyone else in Congress seems to be, a certain powerful mafia (er, sorry, "lobbying group") from a tiny despicable foreign country....
I don't see it as shameful and so I don't agree with you. Gabbard is an obvious opportunist, going from supporting Sanders to Trump, showing a total lack of principles. I agree with some of her ideas, reject others, but she has switched from democratic socialism to fascism, and so I do not think Sanders' behavior was shameful but necessary. A person who moves from democratic socialism to fascism, to becoming a Republican as it moved to the far right, deserves to be exposed as an opportunist, seeking power, not justice. Serving a convicted rapist and felon, a pathological liar and malignant narcissist is hardly something acceptable.
Russiagate was real: at the time Trump claimed he had zero contacts with Russia, he was negotiating building MOscow Trump Tower, and the Mueller Report documented over 100 contacts, some with Kremlin intelligence. You sound very much you are on the side of Trump and the plutocracy.
Great statement. Thanks for the links to Bernie and David Hogg. I commented back to David:
Hideously ironic for a guy who doesn't want mass shooters to shoot children in our schools and yet DOES want Ukrainian children to learn how to be mass shooters and shoot Russians!! You are SO brainwashed, bro. The domino theory is back!! Fool!
What is saddening is the american government personnel who admitted they never wanted Ukraine to "win" any war against Russia because they knew that couldn't happen; they just wanted Russians to die. The Ukrainian lives meant nothing to the american government other than as neo-cold war pawns. The same as it ever was with the american empire.
True fact: the offensive weapons Obama banned from being delivered, Trump sent. ""The weapons that Ukraine used in the early days of this war to fend off the Russian invasion are the weapons that Donald Trump sent, that Barack Obama and Joe Biden had refused to send," Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said on June 16."
"credit due" is praise. Your bad faith stinks to high heaven. Biden has always been a war hawk, while Trump pretends to be a peacenik but in fact has escalated 5 wars and sent weapons to Uraine, escalating the conflict, that Obama had refused to send, in order not to escalate.
Thank you Caitlin always for sharing your insight -Grateful for you! And yes why would anyone want this bloody war to continue? Too much blood has already been shed!
Freaks indeed. Certifiable sociopaths and psychopaths that should not be allowed to be in charge of anything let alone running a country and its foreign policy. Sadly these freaks all all over the world. I say EVERY politician, especially at the level of President/Vice President and Prime Minister should have 2 thorough tests done before they take office- a Liar test and a full Psychiatric assessment. That should make the world a safer place by blocking these monsters from power positions!
Politics has become a get rich quick scheme- just like wars are a "gravy train" for the elites and corporations. The public need to take the power back and put these freaks behind bars urgently before they wreak more havoc on the world and domestically.
in my utterly stupid naivety i conceived a way to cut this gordian knot: Zelensky should expose all those who enticed ukraine to war against russia. that could clear all this mussy waters in a radical way. expose usa, expose europe, himself too, for everyone to see how wars are created. expose this scum of a man that trump is, and all the others.
if anyone is 'stupid' enough to do such an otherworldly, dramatic, thing it would be Zelensky - the eastern savage.
I love it. It's epic in this manner https://worldhistoryedu.com/tantalus/ with the added chapter of him sharing secrets in order to cravenly avoid his fate.
Death will meet him eventually, “I’m surprised to see you here I was expecting to see you in Brussels next week”.
Either way, he owes it to the people he sent to die.
Zelensky, a servant of the oligarchs who put him in office (Kolomoisky), provoked Russia to attack when his approval dropped to 24% and he was about to be ousted as a corrupt (see Pandora papers that exposed his offshore wealth and dealings with oligarchs) and failed leader...so he wagged the red flag of natoization, and that hit the traumatize russians like a punch to the gut...the aggressive reaction was long predicted by top US diplomats like Kennen. Zelensky, just like Netanyahu, needed conflict to stay in power. He cannot expose those who provoked the Russian predicted reaction because he is the emperor without clothes himself.
Zelensky Once Viewed Russia Quite Differently Called Them Brothers: https://tritorch.com/degradation/ZelenskyOnceViewedRussiaQuiteDifferentlyCalledThemBrothers.mp4 [46seconds]
It wasn't until that vile miscreant Victoria Nuland stirred things up under Obama that they became enemies. How much blood is that monstrous freak responsible for spilling? And before anyone defends Obama (both Republican and Democrat are just as bad - two wings of the same empiric vulture), watch these:
Watch this: https://old.bitchute.com/video/MszGKBoAil4n [5:55mins]
Then this: https://old.bitchute.com/video/eipUk34COZwv [14:09mins]
Truth is the first casualty of war. We've been lied to to put it mildly.
In my view, Zelensky who ran on peace with Russia turned against them when his approval sank to 24% and he was about to be ousted as a corrupt and failed leader, so he wagged the dog, raising the red flag of Natoization, which he knew, due to years of warnings, would provoke an aggressive Russian reaction. He like all tyrants uses whatever is useful to gain power, an opportunist at best.
He’s also an actor which is a “tell”, and we’re not only watching but participating in a bad scripted reality TV show with real consequences.
Well, much of politics is acting, withness Reagan and Trump. His series Servant of the People, funded by the same corrupt oligarch (Kolomoisky) who funded his political career, was excellent...he's a good actor. Sadly, his role as President is a total betrayal of the role he played in the series.
Twist ending and all that. Kolomoisky must consider himself M. Night Shyamalan caliber.
For those interested in the reference: https://tritorch.com/degradation/RussiaUkraineAmericanJournalistGonzaloLiraLaidOutExactlyHowZelenskyWasManufacturedAndFundedByIsraeliJewishBillionaireKolomoisky.mp4
usaid, ned and cia bolstered rightwing ultra-nationalist militants refused to go along with zelensky's peace attempts, didn't take him seriously and outright threatened to take him out. the ukraine episode is 95% (us-)empire's responsibility.
Can you document those claims? It was, as reported, Boris Johnson, PM of the UK, who talked him out of a peace settlement, offering miltary and financial aid. I don't know who else was involved so please provide evidence and sources. As a skeptic, I am ready to believe if shown the evidence.
it's a hunch. :-). maybe ask the ai chatbots. there's some footage of zelensky at the front trying to convince hard right militias to do the peace-thing without succes. there's pictures of azov-militants in western parliaments, getting medals, there's post-ww2 history of oun-b, here's a link to some reports i generally trust https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=017930374292714292268%3Avw5cotp1r2c&q=ukraine&sa=Search
You are way off on the truth here. Way off. Take your shit conspiracy ideas and shove them where the sun don’t shine! I’m not bothering to unwind your ridiculous lies, stupidity and misrepresentations.
What specifically do you disagree with?
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What can one possibly add to: "Our world will never know peace as long as these freaks are at the steering wheel" -- Except: if you can't change the car's driver, it may be necessary to impound the vehicle to the scrapyard and crush it into submission in the hydraulic compressor. I fear that only that crushing of the empire will ever stop this endless march to war.
It's the entire planet's dream and the fault of the Americans asleep at the wheel. The fact y'all are waking up to a nightmare is BCS a democracy requires all hands on deck. At all times. To be fair, they built y'all a recreation nation to keep you occupied and distracted. Sad for those few heroes along the way that were willing to swim against the current, for those drowning and for you sleep walkers...
Sooooooo much evil has come outta that country directed to people abroad but also to people at home.
😓😓😓
"Recreation Nation" is a pretty good identifying sign to hang on a bus carrying Americans around in other countries.
Preferably with the driver still in the car Vin.
War should be illegal, but too many profit from it. Cheerleaders for war are never our allies. Thanks for posting, Caitlin.
Sadly, much of war IS illegal. but governments refuse to enforce their own laws as long as there is profit to be made.
Eisenhower warned us, but no one heeding his warning.
Yes, you're right, David. And international law is being so degraded, and so many innocent people killed.
For the US, international law is a toothless theory. Look at Netanyahoo. The ICJ and ICC, along with nearly the entire world, declares him a war criminal and demands his arrest, and he's celebrated in Washington as a great man to be admired and congratulated by every member of Congress, Biden, Trump, all of the war criminals.
Zero accountability for the very worst monsters on earth. As Caitlin says, it'll be exactly the same for whatever outcome we witness in the Ukraine debacle. Trump may help end this war but he's already demanding free access to all of Ukraine's rare earth minerals, so he wants to pillage Ukraine exactly the way the US rapes, murders and pillages around the world any time it takes a notion. No accountability, ever. International law is a sick joke.
International law needs to be enforceable.
I think it is something more than just profits. The sense of power - crushing weaker opponent is a powerful drug. That is why USA/israel/West will never attack someone who can fight back and give them bloody nose. Only weak and unarmed like what Zionist jews and christians do to unarmed Palestinians. And majority of humans are naturally predisposed to be power hungry corrupt a$$holes. No one will admit it but facts are undeniable. Being powerful is NOT being great. To be great one first must be just and fair. But in this corrupt shity world fairness, justice, and truth will not make one rich and powerful.
David Hogg, vice chair of the DNC?
A 24 year old kid? And you have the hutzpah to complain about 24 year olds running amok in the Treasury and SS!
Oy vey iz mir.
Look, I hate that there is a coup going on.
But we had no business in Ukraine in the first place.
We started that war, used Ukrainians as cannon fodder.
The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.
That said, Trump calling Zelensky a dictator is a new order of madness.
Tell Hogg to sit the phuque down, tell the DNC to focus on how screwed working people - black brown red yellow white - really are and do something about it!!!!!
Personally, I wouldn't waste my breath telling the multi-purchased DNC to go phuque itself, expecting only the response: "show me the money, honey".
Well ! The good news here is most Americans no longer trust the deeply complicit warmongering US media . So Rachel and her fellow warmongers may as well talk to themselves in their mirrors -because America ain't watching MSNBC , CNN , and etc. or falling for their reeking BS
No, they're out on x.
It is suicidal to denounce those who are working for the goals you set:
Here is Sanders on why he voted NO for more funding for Israel and Ukraine:
"Bernie Sanders voted against supplemental funding package to provide aid to Ukraine, Israel and other allies. The bill passed the Senate on Tuesday on a vote of 70-18.
Sanders called it a 'dark day' in the Senate and said:
"I voted no tonight on the foreign aid package for one simple reason: U.S. taxpayers should not be providing billions more to the extremist Netanyahu government to continue its devastating war against the Palestinian people.
34,000 Palestinians have already been killed and 77,000 have been wounded – 70% of whom are women and children."
And even before the invasion of Ukraine, he warned US leaders of how Russia was being provoked: "Sanders quoted former defense secretary William Perry, who in a 2016 interview said, “In the last few years, most of the blame can be pointed at the actions that Putin has taken. But in the early years I have to say that the United States deserves much of the blame. Our first action that really set us off in a bad direction was when NATO started to expand, bringing in eastern European nations, some of them bordering Russia.” He also quoted current CIA head William Burns, a former diplomat, who in a 2008 memo to then–Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice wrote:
Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests." Nothing is more idiotic than condemning and blaming those who have, in the halls of power, been the most forceful in challenging the conventional "wisdom."
You didn't read the link to Sanders' (quite frankly) batshit tweet, basically saying that a mere talk between the two sides was an act of aggression against our "allies".
I thought we were trying to end this nonsense. The vote was purely symbolic, on his part. He could shut the whole thing down with his movement of people still in his corner, but he keeps dragging them to resist from the right.
I disagree. A peace in which one of the warring parties is left out and insulted remains me of the Verailles Treaty, which led to WWII. You do not want to understand; you want to condemn, and that is both easy and useless. Sanders does not have power to "shut the whole thing down" and people like you harm his effort to create the movement to do so. With Trump acting like a dictator, you choose to attack Sanders: suicidal.
So Ukraine and its unelected dictator are insulted--so what? The ultranationalist ultra right has control of their government and everything Zelensky has done since being elected has been in compliance either with them or with warhawk NATO handlers, and given the political situation, those are often the same power lines.
Worrying about insulting those people is worrying about keeping Neo Nazis happy, and will not produce the deNazification which of all things, Putin is right about--regardless of any other reasons he has for his actions.
The ethnonationalists, which the Galicians are, are never a smart idea to coddle. Smacking them down hard is the only way.
The same goes for Israel.
On both counts, Bernie's been much weaker than is ethical. This has been the case ever since his concession to HRC and, one could argue, since that fateful one on one with Obama some time before that.
I campaigned for him both times and i can tell you: his waffling and his adoption of identity politics was the real threat to democracy that he started podium-thumping about. Enough voters saw his lack of integrity and turned away; bravery and consistency with his original party-agnostic platform, where he instead displayed go-along-to-get-along, would have, no doubt about it, changed the course of history. But he chose to back down and herd his adherents toward the same administrations that have kept the meat grinder rolling along.
Politics is compromise; if you do not compromise, you exit politics and the potential for change. I prefer to understand politics. Strategic retreat (to fight another day) is a smart move if you wish to make change, by preserving your power to "fight another day" Recently, he has voted against funding to Ukraine and Israel, and got 18 Democrats in the Senate (he started with zero) to vote to stop arms shipments to Israel. To call his symbolic is to ignore that symbols pave the way to victory. The massive I have a Dream rally in DC with MLK was "symbolic" but 3 months later, after centuries of failure, the Civil Rights Act was passed. Voting is more than symbolic; it is the very act thru which change can take place. Even after the DC rally, MLK met with LBJ to work out the Civil Rights Act. Denouncing Sanders only benefits the war mongerers. You stand with them, denouncing him. I stand with him, denoucing them and those like you who work to weaken his efforts to challenge imperialism and domestic tyranny.
Zelensky is a corrupt dictator but if Ukraine is excluded from peace talks, it insults the Ukrainian people and likely leads to a retaliation like the rise of fascism after Germany's people were insulted by the Versailles Treaty, which led to the rise of the Nazis. The Nazis in Ukraine will not simply go away if a peace is imposed without respect for the Ukrainian people; their rise to power will be likely as the reaction to the insult. Zelensky will go away.....it is the people of Ukraine whose suffering and needs must be respected. If you don't understand this, you don't understand the conditions of peace and join a movement that will only bring more violence in the future.
So we're obligated to fund Ukraine’s war until they tell us we can stop. Ukraine also is not an "ally" in the formal sense.
Sounds like you want more war.
Weakening Roooshia at a very low cost, especially if Europe steps up in sharing the load of the expense. Slavs killing Slavs. Sounds like a win-win for the U.S.
How dense are you? I just cited Sander's voting against the bill that was to fund Ukraine and Israel. I am a pacifist that risked my life and career to protest wars in the past; I want to end all wars. Your conclusions are idiotic, Feral. Spare me your absurd accusations. What we don't want is wars to end in a way that provokes more violence, as happened with WWI. What we don't want it the plutocrats of Russia, Israel, and the US taking total control..that will not lead to peace..it never has. I want no war. I want the war criminals, which includes Putin, Zelensky, Netanyanu, Hamas, an Trump and Biden to be stopped. If you truly want to stop the wars of the rich, you need to stop attacking people like Sanders and join him in opposing both war and plutocracy, twins that cannot be separated. When you attack people who vote against funding wars, you are voting for war.
Ukraine has no money to fight a war. Never did.
Ukraine has long been Europe’s most corrupt country and with human development standards of nearly a third world country. Living off of soviet era legacy education and infrastructure was all they had. And we’re corroding. A shell of a country.
If Ukraine is at war with Russia it’s because it was controlled by the USA to do so.
WTF should a theatre puppet talk if the theatre is sold and they new theatre owner doesn’t want to play with it?
It’s ridiculous for only one to say “Ukraine doesn’t have a seat at the table” - because everyone KNOWS Ukraine was never running its own war in the first place! Every single newspaper media running these headlines is a one people should forever ignore. Because if people didn’t by know understand that these were lying rags, well it couldn’t be any more blindingly obvious.
I agree but if the Ukrainian people are insulted, as the Germans were in the Versaille Treaty, in a peace settlement, the result will likely be the same: the rise of neo-Nazi movement for revenge. The people of Ukraine must be respected as they will see being excluded from a peace settlement as illegitimate and this will empower the far right neo-Nazis, just as happened after WWI. It is for the sake of justice and peace that I take the position that the Ukrainian people must be represented and respected if a peace deal is not to lead to further violence. Zelensky can go to hell, but the people of Ukraine cannot be snubbed if you want a lasting peace.
Versaille created the motive for revenge by insulting and punishing the German people; a peace in which Ukraine is thrown under the bus will do the same. What do I propose? I propose a full discussion by all parties on what might be the best solution. Let the parties to a peace deal arise out of that discussion. What do you propose in the case of excluding Ukraine to prevent the neo Nazi far right from using the anger and hurt to rebuild a fascist and violence prone reaction?
Please explain: "...Zelenskyy (sic) is no longer a lawful leader...."
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See Sanders foaming at the mouth today for more war?
Smears without context is a fascist tactic. What
Sanders said is valid: "In a recent tweet, political figure Bernie Sanders has made a bold statement regarding former President Donald Trump and his connections to Russian oligarchs. Sanders claims that Trump, along with his wealthy allies, is deeply intertwined with the interests of Vladimir Putin’s elite." He is speaking truth to power, Feral. While we all want the war to end, the way Trump is doing it is clearly along plutocratic lines.
Well, dale, you might want to consider watching Bernie's shameful behavior at Tulsi Gabbard's confirmation hearing. Your man appears to be seriously compromised -- probably by, as most everyone else in Congress seems to be, a certain powerful mafia (er, sorry, "lobbying group") from a tiny despicable foreign country....
"Tulsi Gabbard Says Donald Trump Is 'Unfit to Serve' After President Commends Her For Voting 'Present' on Impeachment" She now serves him.
I don't see it as shameful and so I don't agree with you. Gabbard is an obvious opportunist, going from supporting Sanders to Trump, showing a total lack of principles. I agree with some of her ideas, reject others, but she has switched from democratic socialism to fascism, and so I do not think Sanders' behavior was shameful but necessary. A person who moves from democratic socialism to fascism, to becoming a Republican as it moved to the far right, deserves to be exposed as an opportunist, seeking power, not justice. Serving a convicted rapist and felon, a pathological liar and malignant narcissist is hardly something acceptable.
Ok, so Sanders is trying to relitigate the russiagate conspiracy theory in order to keep the war going.
Of course, Russiagate was intended to hamstring any attempt to make peace with Russia.
Russiagate was real: at the time Trump claimed he had zero contacts with Russia, he was negotiating building MOscow Trump Tower, and the Mueller Report documented over 100 contacts, some with Kremlin intelligence. You sound very much you are on the side of Trump and the plutocracy.
Not coincidentally the war machine has a major manufacturing facility that’s one of the biggest employers in Vermont.
You are indulging in smears, not analysis nor discussion. You have become irrelevant, just noise.
Translation to English: "Ignore the facts. Team D good. Team R bad!"
Great statement. Thanks for the links to Bernie and David Hogg. I commented back to David:
Hideously ironic for a guy who doesn't want mass shooters to shoot children in our schools and yet DOES want Ukrainian children to learn how to be mass shooters and shoot Russians!! You are SO brainwashed, bro. The domino theory is back!! Fool!
Hogg is a tool and a fool
What is saddening is the american government personnel who admitted they never wanted Ukraine to "win" any war against Russia because they knew that couldn't happen; they just wanted Russians to die. The Ukrainian lives meant nothing to the american government other than as neo-cold war pawns. The same as it ever was with the american empire.
I don’t think it was Trump that started shit in Ukraine. Maybe I’m wrong but I thought it really got squirrelly there during the Obama administration
True fact: the offensive weapons Obama banned from being delivered, Trump sent. ""The weapons that Ukraine used in the early days of this war to fend off the Russian invasion are the weapons that Donald Trump sent, that Barack Obama and Joe Biden had refused to send," Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said on June 16."
It did
Credit where credit is due to Trump.
But let's everyone see whether anything concrete happens before taking a victory lap.
Trump sent weapons to Ukraine Obama refused to, fearing to escalate. Trump escalated. I think I see where you are coming from now....
Nobody is arguing that, nor am I praising Trump.
Of course, Biden *also* has been all-in for more war.
"credit due" is praise. Your bad faith stinks to high heaven. Biden has always been a war hawk, while Trump pretends to be a peacenik but in fact has escalated 5 wars and sent weapons to Uraine, escalating the conflict, that Obama had refused to send, in order not to escalate.
If that is the case, then *if* Trump follows through, then he deserves praise.
*if*
Have it your way.
Thank you Caitlin always for sharing your insight -Grateful for you! And yes why would anyone want this bloody war to continue? Too much blood has already been shed!
Spilling blood is essential for survival of the western empire vampires. They gorge in drinking blood from unsuspecting defenseless victims.
Thank you Caitlin. I get really mad at my liberal friends who think we should keep aiding Ukraine in the continuation of this war.
"And destroy the greatest grift in decades and ruin our weekend lounge betting tables on whose territory get annexed by who? Why we never!"
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Freaks indeed. Certifiable sociopaths and psychopaths that should not be allowed to be in charge of anything let alone running a country and its foreign policy. Sadly these freaks all all over the world. I say EVERY politician, especially at the level of President/Vice President and Prime Minister should have 2 thorough tests done before they take office- a Liar test and a full Psychiatric assessment. That should make the world a safer place by blocking these monsters from power positions!
Politics has become a get rich quick scheme- just like wars are a "gravy train" for the elites and corporations. The public need to take the power back and put these freaks behind bars urgently before they wreak more havoc on the world and domestically.
in my utterly stupid naivety i conceived a way to cut this gordian knot: Zelensky should expose all those who enticed ukraine to war against russia. that could clear all this mussy waters in a radical way. expose usa, expose europe, himself too, for everyone to see how wars are created. expose this scum of a man that trump is, and all the others.
if anyone is 'stupid' enough to do such an otherworldly, dramatic, thing it would be Zelensky - the eastern savage.
I love it. It's epic in this manner https://worldhistoryedu.com/tantalus/ with the added chapter of him sharing secrets in order to cravenly avoid his fate.
Death will meet him eventually, “I’m surprised to see you here I was expecting to see you in Brussels next week”.
Either way, he owes it to the people he sent to die.
yeah, let's see if this an old school drama or just a modern netflix version of it.
Zelensky, a servant of the oligarchs who put him in office (Kolomoisky), provoked Russia to attack when his approval dropped to 24% and he was about to be ousted as a corrupt (see Pandora papers that exposed his offshore wealth and dealings with oligarchs) and failed leader...so he wagged the red flag of natoization, and that hit the traumatize russians like a punch to the gut...the aggressive reaction was long predicted by top US diplomats like Kennen. Zelensky, just like Netanyahu, needed conflict to stay in power. He cannot expose those who provoked the Russian predicted reaction because he is the emperor without clothes himself.
i already said that it would require exposing his own dirt too. so, yes, he can.
though most probably he won't or will get psysically eliminated if he tries.
"A third world war and a second Marshall plan.” ?
After the Third World War there likely won't be anybody left to have a Marshall plan and anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete and utter fuckwit.
Exactly. Unfortunately humanity is full of such utter fuckwits. Otherwise humanity would not be at the edge of self-destruction.