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Susan T's avatar

I saw a sign on a kids back today at a demo "Make war crimes illegal again". Makes a lot more sense than "Make America Great Again". At least war crimes were once considered illegal. Was America ever great? Was any colonized country ever great after colonization? I wonder what life would be like now if we had decided to respect the indigenous view of nature? If colonizers had understood that the indigenous people they encountered might actually have some useful knowledge? Would we be in the midst of a climate crisis? Would we have endless wars with endless weapons? I wonder.

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Longtrail's avatar

America was never great, just lucky and our luck is running out. Hopefully we can change our luck.

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Susan T's avatar

America was not lucky. They stole the land, committed genocide and went from there. That is not being lucky. That is being greedy, inhumane thieves. Who have the gall to consider themselves "superior".

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

Both, I think: America stole the land, committed genocide, etc., and was also "lucky" enough to be able to "get away with it" in that particular era of history when she was doing it. Chickens coming home to roost now, though.

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Justruth's avatar

And built its power and economy on the backs and lives of millions of slaves for 250 years. It stole their freedom, labor, and lives. Not luck. Theft.

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Bill Jarett's avatar

LMAO! Fictional delusion. Slavery kept the South poor and backward, same thing slavery does to every society compared to free labor.

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Justruth's avatar

The only people slavery kept poor and backward were the slaves themselves.

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Justruth's avatar

Interesting take. Studied much economics? Or is this some kind of ideological perspective?

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Marten's avatar

You nailed it right !!!!, and sadly most Adult Human can not change their mind....This is truism !!!!

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Rhys Jaggar's avatar

Susan - my suggestion for MAGA a few months ago was 'Make Americans Grow Asparagus/Apples/Apricots/Almonds etc etc.

You know, engage in growing some healthy food instead of guzzling greasy burgers, processed supermarket crap and bombing folks overseas.

Do you think that suggestion would make the CIA want to assassinate me?! 🤣🤣

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andy tonti's avatar

Probably so screwed with this idiot . Quite sad. Harris copy catted Biden too often. She needed to soul search and recast her role as a confident, independent leader and define her issues better

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Aztec human sacrifices by the 10's of thousands is good for the Earth. Slavery and industrial scale mass murder- they could have taught the Nazi's how to get useful idiots in the West to white wash and apologize for them.

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Klonda56's avatar

I’m not sure I would present amoral, murderous, smallpox-infested female native priest (“witch”) burners from Europe, as the salvation of the earth.

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PaxAlto's avatar

No, but they did produce the technology that enables your share your ungrateful thoughts with an audience you probably don't deserve.

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Klonda56's avatar

Al societies have had means of communication. If you mean Twitter or Facebook, that’s a contribution to degrading human political development.

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PaxAlto's avatar

You're equating smoke signals and messengers on horseback with modern telecommunications developed exclusively by those pesky white guys from Europe and America. Very funny, Chief Wild Eagle.

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Phillip Beard's avatar

The notion that these acts of monstrous cruelty will be two dimensional regarding dealing with those who murder a child. We specifically have laws of self defense. Those shalt kill. I understand that the commandment had one read"Thou Shalt Not Murder." It means to kill in self defense is not murder. These children of Israel in Gaza murdering Palestinian children in Gaza.. There are very few who come back from this. To place a bullet in the brain of a baby. These people are casualties.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

It's self-evident, yet needs to be repeated often to remind the brainwashed what's really happening. American politicians lie. They lie continually, unabashedly, and always for the benefit of war, Israel, and the oligarchy, never reflecting the will of the working classes.

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russian_bot's avatar

Simple as that indeed, yet folks seem to be surprised every single time.

Like right now with Trump. The next four years will be filled with commentaries how what was said is not being done. And then with the fresh supply of new and naturalized citizens the story will repeat.

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Isaiah Antares's avatar

True. I think you could have left "American" out of that sentence.

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charles leone's avatar

The new Trump administration is stacked with bloody right-wing Zionists or apologists for Israeli genocide, willing and eager to send American troops to Save Israel First.

Let me know if I'm wrong, please?

Facts matter.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Let me know if I'm wrong, please?"

The Administration might send American troops - not to save Israel directly, but to protect AND expand the interests of the global capitalists (and US Empire). The interests of THESE Empire Managers and "Israel's defense and existence" happen to align (for the time being).

Let me explain it in another way. Suppose history had been different and Iran or Saudi Arabia were the representatives of the US Empire in the region (instead of Israel). In this scenario, the US Empire would be sending in troops (ordinary Americans that are expected to lay down their lives for the sake of "rich men") to protect and save Iran (or Saudi Arabia or whichever country would have been the proxy of the US Empire in the MENA region).

So many people are HUNG UP on Jews, Judaism, etc. that they often miss the real issue -> that even if there were NO Jews in the MENA region, the US Empire would STILL employ similar US Foreign Policies in the region for purposes of resources (oil, gas, etc.), trading routes (land and sea), control of prices of these resources (US dollar hegemony), and as a balwark against other potential empires (Russian, Asian, Arabian, Persian, Turkish, etc.) being able to challenge the US Empire.

At the end of the day, this is all about US/OLIGARCHIC GLOBAL DOMINATION and the SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM (which includes Imperialism and Colonialism to maintain the system). Support for Jews, Judaism, Zionism, etc. (because of some sense of loyalty and multiple other reasons) is a narrative that - while real to the people - has been created (by the Empire Managers) and propagandized (over the last 75+ years) for the purposes of lending some sort of credence (or justification) for hiding the blatant RUTHLESSNESS of the US Empire (and the system of Capitalism) and providing cover.

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Duane McPherson's avatar

Generally on track, but note that the US did not invent capitalism and the US empire is in no way exceptional. In fact, the most salient feature of the US empire may be its brief span -- from around 1900 to the present, currently in a downslide and likely to collapse before the end of the 21st century. Perhaps that's a feature of the accelerated pace of late-stage capitalism, but in any case it's a much shorter span than the empires before it.

The take-home message should be that the problem lies not with the US but with the system of capitalism, which acts as a self-sustaining feedback system and has proved very resilient at protecting itself against threats. Capitalism as a system has adaptive properties that enable it to engage and co-opt its antagonists. It is fair to say that capitalism demonstrates emergent properties that transcend the powers of its originators: it is a transhuman system for generation of material profit and humans are more its instruments or tools than its owners or controllers.

I don't see any solution to the problem of capitalism except to separate from it and live in a socio-economic system to which capitalism is irrelevant. One example would be the societies of hunter-gatherers, which although nearly extinct have some lessons to guide us. Another would be the social groups that intentionally avoid capitalism, such as the Amish and Mennonite communities in the US. Having said that, I recognize that the capitalist system would move against such communities if they grew large enough to present a challenge to the system. But then, at least, we might engage in a meaningful struggle, and one worth joining.

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charles leone's avatar

Good example, Duane. The BRICs are doing what the Amish and Mennonites decided to do except that the BRICs are now seen as a threat e.g. a rising Empire (the Thucydides Trap) by creating an alternative Win-Win system which does not require war to thrive.

If the Dumb giant on a British Empire leash decides to put away his G.I. Joe toys; the BRICs would love to accept the West to join the Human Race into the new community of principle among sovereign nation states.

Eventually, even Ukraine and Israel might think it's a good idea!

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Love your comment, especially this paragraph ->

"The take-home message should be that the problem lies not with the US but with the system of capitalism, which acts as a self-sustaining feedback system and has proved very resilient at protecting itself against threats. Capitalism as a system has adaptive properties that enable it to engage and co-opt its antagonists. It is fair to say that capitalism demonstrates emergent properties that transcend the powers of its originators: it is a transhuman system for generation of material profit and humans are more its instruments or tools than its owners or controllers."

VERY TRUE!

>>"I don't see any solution to the problem of capitalism except to separate from it and live in a socio-economic system to which capitalism is irrelevant."

Question: So do you believe that the only way Capitalism will die is (a) it will be replaced with something even worse, or (b) Capitalism will self-cannabilize itself and destroy itself from the inside?

Is there no other way/strategies (on a global level) that can control/minimize Capitalism and relegate it to the minorities? Is it hopeless to fight against Capitalism? I'm not yet ready to concede defeat...

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charles leone's avatar

Yes, Chang. The Money Empire, Capitalism, and The Empire of Lies (Narratives) are one and the same.

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dennis hanna's avatar

Counter Factual. No more; no less.

dennis hanna

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Caitlin, you've done it again. Right on the money! 🎯 My WISH for you (and for the world) is for you to have at least a 100 million Subscribers! EVERYONE needs to DESPERATELY read what you write and open their eyes to the PROPAGANDA (and smoke and mirrors) all around us.

Thank you! Much love and gratitude!

(PS: I will forward your articles as much as I can, hostilities be damned - I care too much about the truth).

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russian_bot's avatar

so sweet!

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charles leone's avatar

Caitlin, you've done it again. right on the truth!

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Longtrail's avatar

America First seems to me America Uber Alles. There's this certain mindset. A symptom is hatred for Russia or Russophobia.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Russia is an enemy that has been invented by American Empire (on and off again) for the purposes of justifying the US Empire (this is one reason for all the Russia-phobia that you see, which soon might transition to Sino-phobia).

People like Trump (and other Oligarchs) don't really care about America (I doubt if they ever did). They care about themselves. "America First" is the ideology THEY use/abuse to maintain their oligarchic status quo.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

Goes back even further, sadly. 'The Great Game' was Imperial contest between the British Empire and the Russian Empire of the Tsars during the 19th Century. When the US assumed the mantle of the British Empire in the 20th Century, it didn't really matter if Russia was Communist or Tsarist. So long as Russia was an independent power asserting its own interests and controlling its own resources it was going to be a geopolitical rival.

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

Goes back even farther than that, I think: Rome/Carthage, Greece/Persia, the original "Israelites"/the Canaanites. The "Uber alles" road is a well travelled one. If there is an "original sin" of humanity generally, this may be it.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

Interesting pointing out of the apparent need for East/West antagonism . An old friend of mine years ago pointed out the standard US vs USSR (ie "Cold War ) of that time as part of a longstanding European 'fear of the East' . This was not unrelated to cultural envy !

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Yes, Chang. It was designed to give the oligarchs a reason to expand their policies of hegemony, power and expansion and they have done it. Any questions on tis subject only requires a map locating all the US bases throughout the world. The number is staggering with the foreign-based military establishments now having an ex-Fox journalist in charge. Budget, 1 trillion dollars.

Qualifications, zero. Sorry…my mistake. He is a Christian Zionist. Top rung on the ladder in 2024.

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Rhys Jaggar's avatar

These things can be changed:

I rewrote the German national anthem for CJ Hopkins a coupla months back. It started:

Deutschland, Deutschland unter allem -

Judenhuren, Nordstream Zwei!

I am sure I could come up with something similar for the 'Star Spangled Banner'....

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Mark VB's avatar

In some ways I think you are wrong. Some of us identified 8 years ago the shit Trump would wreak if he had total power.

Well now the bastard is back with a full rein of power. He can steer the beast whichever way he wants.

And all the fidiots who didn’t listen 8 years ago, it’s too fucking late now. The American system is fucked. The Democrats are simply one small part of that machine.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Funny how, if "democracy is on the ballot!(tm)" Biden sure seemed chipper when he met Trump last week.

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Mark VB's avatar

Of course it’s funny. It’s not one party or the other. It’s the system.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

You mean capitalism.

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Mark VB's avatar

Capitalism is a major part of the system. But there are other components too.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Mark, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden have done AS MUCH DAMAGE (in some cases much more) than what Trump did. Though I am fearful of what Trump (and his cultists in office) will do (to the US and the rest of the world) in the next 4 years - Fuck-ups and stupidity on steroids?

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Mark VB's avatar

Partly because Trump was reined back a few years ago. He wanted regime change in Venezuela but was pulled back from that.

He wanted a commerce war with China but had his hands tied on that.

Now there won’t be any checks or balances in place to stop his inexorable hold over America and its global policies.

Clusterfuck is the word that keeps invading my mind.

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martin's avatar

the oligarchical elite that fears accelerationism might come crawling out of the woodwork, but then again, it's not entirely clear yet which side the perception managers will chose this time. maybe it's possible that they just won't report on what is happening.

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andy tonti's avatar

Now we should know why 3rd parties need to be taken seriously as a valid alternative to the corrupted duopoly. Wished Greens did better than the 5% they got. Electorate better give this party a critical chance as a reasonable alternative next time.

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Longtrail's avatar

I wonder what will replace the American Clusterfuk.

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David Avenell's avatar

The front runner looks to be BRICS, which might be a breath of fresh air.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Hopefully eco-socialism.

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Ukraine 1933.

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JennyStokes's avatar

A Zionist/Evangelical religious nation.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

Almosrt a definition of Hell !

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JennyStokes's avatar

Correct.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

The most likely suggestion yet . Luckily I am in my '70s so won't have to live too long under that tyrrany .

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JennyStokes's avatar

Me too............75yrs.

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gypsy33's avatar

70 here.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

Perhaps it takes that long to see what is really going on ?

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gypsy33's avatar

😳

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Omar's avatar

"Everything bad that happens under the Trump administration will have happened because the Democratic Party was too corrupt and evil to run a good campaign with a good platform and a good candidate."

Yes, and also everything bad that happens no matter the party is because too many Americans accepted and voted for evil (supposedly lesser) for too many elections. If enough people had moral red lines, we wouldn't have had Trump nor Biden.

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Rhys Jaggar's avatar

I said a year ago that over 100 million Americans had to take a decision to neither vote Democrat nor Republican if they ever wanted real change. Little more than 1% of that total did what I suggested.

That does tell the rest of the world that expecting the American People to save themselves and help the world is a step too far right now.

Everyone else must accept that the USA is Israel's slave and that Israel is the figleaf supporting Zionazi genocides.

One of these days, a red line equivalent to Chamblerain putting Polish invasion by Germany as the trigger for war between the UK and Germany will have to be declared.

Who will say: 'if Israel/the USA warmongers do XXXXX, then we are at war'?

What will XXXX be?

It clearly is not 'genocide of the Palestinian non-Jewish population'.

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Pepper Jackson's avatar

According to this article, nearly 90 million people who could have voted, didn't. https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-15/how-many-people-didnt-vote-in-the-2024-election My husband and I were in that group-couldn't stomach voting for either one of them.

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KHGUAN's avatar

It's very likely there is some type of Jewish Supremacist Criminal Cabal manipulating the US (& its western allies) from the shadows.

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Susan T's avatar

a zionist criminal cabal

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

You don't need conspiracy theories - just people voting for their best interests . Unfortunately most non-Jews don't do this as well as those who have a history of being oppressed , massacred etc . If you are always on the watch for the next pogrom you will be better at escaping it !

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

The unthinkable - no the predictable - has happened. Trump is back with his band of swamp monsters to rival any swamp before. All his appointments reads like a rogues gallery with no pretence of intellectualism or ethical behaviour, handpicked for loyalty and fealty to Trump.

Trump is America, he is how America sees itself. He is their mirror image. And as Elie Mystal of The Nation says " he tells them that being what they are is OK. He never for a second requires America to be better than it is".

The United States chose Donald Trump in all his boorishness and savagery. And the country and his followers will get what it and they deserve. As Caitlin says "America First" means stomping out free speech among a host of other things.

The most pressing problem is what it is going to be for the rest of the world....

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Truth Seeking Missile's avatar

Americans, it's time to call and email your senators!

For the first time, the US Senate will vote - likely this week - on Joint Resolutions of Disapproval that would eliminate significant military aid to israel. Please demand that your Senators vote in favor of these resolutions!

More here…

https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2024-11/understanding-joint-resolutions-disapproval-arms-sales-israel

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Kojo's avatar

"....."America First" Means Stomping Out Free Speech In The US In Order To Help Israel...."

To be fair, this is exactly what the Biden-Harris Adminstration was doing for the past two years. And the supposed labour governments in Britain and in Germany. And the supposedly moderate governments in France and many other places.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"Trump supporters are George W Bush supporters LARPing as Ron Paul supporters."

Maybe they're more like Neo-Nazis LARPing as Ayn Rand supporters?

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

By March 2025 America will be in a free fall financially which will throw a fuck into all Trumps "great" plans.

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Larry's avatar

Both parties are full of rot

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MakeTheWorldSafeForDiversity's avatar

Freedom of Speech in America is a Jewish Concept. They gave it to us and they can take it away.

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Patrick Bateman's avatar

USA is a Anglo-Saxon colony. Freedom of speech is A English invention. Incidentally, freedom is dying in England

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

Free Speech (freedom of speech) derive from the right of people to control their own bodies such as in abortion!!!!!

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

I'm not sure we ever had it ! NB I write as a mixed race British citizen .

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

So you believe states and politicians can actually provide rights ?

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

Freedom is not given - except by God . If a human being thinks they can give freedom they will also think they can take it away .

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

Yes

and the "created by man" theory has problems for the meaning of what a ""right" is

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Neil Anderson's avatar

Harris lost because she's was nothing burger promising more of the same...

https://youtu.be/gy6hsxKa2yk?si=e9VBRzyPtPUb1OXH

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