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Yo mismo soy el regalo's avatar

I have never been sadder for the victims of anything than I am now. How can anyone support this massacre?

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Jack Lomax's avatar

Psychopaths of the world support the massacre. The rest of us helplessly grieve

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jack Lomax: 90% of people on Earth don't give a shit about the Jews or Palestinians.

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Jack Lomax's avatar

That is clearly and demonstrably wrong Timmy. You probably mean 90% of the brainwashed propagandised west which is a small percentage of the world as a whole

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jack Lomax: The most populous countries on Earth are India and China. Do you really think the people living in those two countries give a shit about Israel or Palestine?

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Jack Lomax's avatar

The educated portion of China (now quite large) an the educated part of India (sadly still not that big) do. And moral people allover he world react negatively to the powerful inflicting massive pain and death onto the powerless.

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hierochloe's avatar

Probably that's the stat for people who don't even know about Israel and Palestine. The remaining 10% is comprised of at least 90% who don't give a shit.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Millions do.

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Susan T's avatar

you didn't hear the question. HOW can anyone support this massacre. Not how MANY support this massacre. I think the HOW is outlined in the comments. A long education in hating whoever happens to be "other" (mostly other than white), greed, thinking that we actually live in a democratic society where those in power care about our well being and thinking we have a real choice in who is in power.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

If you look at the history of the world, you will find many instances of one group of people slaughtering another. The pictures of Gaza in this article reminded me of pictures I've seen of German cities after World War 2 passed over them. How did people then support the massacres? Everybody seems to have a reason to do it.

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Susan T's avatar

I think we can understand that people get scared and angry in war. They listen to a lot of propaganda. Understanding why these things happen is not the same as supporting them. Even if we can understand the reasons behind a massacre, it is difficult to understand actually supporting that behaviour. I suppose that support comes out of fear and anger too.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Do some research. Start w/ Ilan Peppe....keep going.

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pretzelattack's avatar

that isn't an answer, it's a homework assignment. keep evading.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

It's not my job to do the homework for someone else. I have done mine and am continuing. It's a big subject. Let others do theirs. It seems like some just want to spout off opinions based on nothing.

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Susan T's avatar

and maybe sometimes we just see things a little differently. good for you for doing your "homework". I don't do homework any more. I just read as much as I can.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

I noticed that Google placed a severely negative criticism of Pappe from the _New Republic_ next to the top of its results list, right after the default Wikipedia article. In doing your research, be alert to the kind of people you're surrounded by, including those who arrange the world for Google.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

a severely negative criticism ??? Of Ilan Peppe?? I can not imagine....is goggle run by Israel?

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CarbonCopy's avatar

The answer is yes! I just watched a video (truly frightening) of who is from "Unit 8200" and where these people are employed along with who controls them. This video came out of the Middle East and this is another reason this filth is busy shutting down our discourse on Substack and Rumble! They are actively after "X" and Elon because this is where I saw this video and every time they start a new war (or visit an old one) they take away more of our rights and further destroy our constitution. They will go to no ends to have complete control.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

It is widely thought that Google is part of the imperial apparatus, and that entries are given rankings accordingly. Given its importance, it seems likely that its proprietors would have been spoken to about its content by people whom they would feel they had to listen to carefully.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

use : duckduckgo.com for searches

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Starry Gordon's avatar

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_manipulation_effect . However, so far I have not run across the results of objective tests of search engine results with respect to ideological filtering. Besides the managers of the search engines, they can be gamed by specially designed inputs or campaigns. The fact that the article about Pappe was immediately followed by a strongly negative article could be brought about by either method.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

I found an article in "Camera" critical of Ilan Peppe..read it. and, listen to him on youtube, draw your own conclusions....

https://www.camera.org/article/the-washington-post-ignores-the-facts-on-pappe/

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jamenta's avatar

Meanwhile, the new extremist nutjob US Speaker of the House Mike Johnson's very first resolution was a vote for unwavering support for Israel. The vote count? 412 to 10.

Do you need any more proof of just how forgone US empire moral legitimacy and how widespread the corruption has become? And if you want to become even more sick to your stomach, check out just how much of an extremist Mike Johnson actually is: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/mike-johnson-elected-house-speaker-1234862339/

The US is done. And maybe even sooner than we think assuming these nutjobs succeed in getting us into a global war - which they somehow think we can win.

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denmla's avatar

...100% more disappointed with r. kennedy, sad, pathetic and pitiful!....

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denmla's avatar

..if it's true, he learned the lesson, they killed half of his 'political' family, so you with 'us' or through the 'air'... for me he is finished or done or who cares!. .. human IQ is ........I'll stop here...

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russian_bot's avatar

Hope you're not saying a Dem would be any better.

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jamenta's avatar

Nope. The Dems are enablers of these nutjobs - and Joe Biden is actually going to be the guy who probably reads off the nuclear codes to the guy with the brief case (he'll probably need help though.)

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JennyStokes's avatar

There is Cornel West?

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russian_bot's avatar

Some fun info about the professor, courtesy of Jimmy Dore show: https://rumble.com/v3nk3r5-cornel-west-presidential-clown-show-continues.html

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gypsy33's avatar

That’s who I’m voting for Jenny…early and often!

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Jerome Armstrong's avatar

10, that's it! Seems like we would have seen a lot more before. They have that place totally captured.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

Here are the 10 lawmakers who voted against the resolution:

Rep. Jamaal Bowman of New York

Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri

Rep. Andre Carson of Indiana

Rep. Al Green of Texas

Rep. Summer Lee of Pennsylvania

Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York

Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota

Rep. Delia Ramirez of Illinois

Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan

Here are the 6 lawmakers who voted "present:"

Rep. Greg Casar of Texas

Rep. Joaquin Castro of Texas

Rep. Chuy Garcia of Illinois

Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington

Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts

Rep. Nydia Velázquez of New York

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

All of the Democrats were given permission to vote No or abstain here. I say that because every single one of them supported funding the Ukraine war. They are not anti-war.

As for the Republicans, the only one I know is Massie, and he's a died-in-the-wool Libertarian, so that explains that.

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The Democrats are reprehensible, mostly unwitting, totalitarians walking in lockstep with directions from their Dear Leaders. In this case, the "rebels" want to show how anti-war they still are, because they were often elected with that plank, but now with absolutely no effects other than virtue-signaling.

(And I'm a Leftist, and no, true Leftism is not totalitarianism. In fact, it's the complete opposite, which of course is how Democrats rope in the rank-and-file. The promise of democracy was lost in the dust way, way back when Marx hijacked the bottom half and started multiple worldwide, unnecessary, nation-internal wars, when what the powerless actually deserved was guaranteed, ineradicable, appropriate seats at the table.)

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bill wolfe's avatar

A real leftist does not smear Marx and view justice as "a seat at the table".

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Anti-Hip's avatar

"A real leftist does not smear Marx and view justice as 'a seat at the table'."

Nonsense. We on Left have been brainwashed *for 170+ years* into thinking society is *necessarily* at perpetual internal war with itself (instead of relegating that evolutionary impulse to, say, sports teams). But that's what TPTB want in order to safely rule, to divide-and-conquer.

There's a very good reason the original "liberté, égalité, fraternité" of the seminal French Revolution was a unitary phrase. It intended to join the principles of: liberté=(individually-directed) freedom, having a home on the Right; égalité=(socially-directed) equality, more broadly 'fairness', having a home on the Left. It survives to this day as France's national motto. So whatever happened to fraternité=brotherhood, or nationhood? The current establishment's globalist attitude to eliminate the stability of balancing powers, that's what!

Marxism is an epic scam, IMO, perpetually robbing the Left of its power in favor of vanguards, who emerge from the shadows of unrest to corral armies of dutiful soldiers, instead of educating them in personal and collaborative UNCONTROLLED power. It is on the order of the Mother of all Psy-ops, the Abrahamic religions, which prey on the inbred spiritualism of most humans.

"Dictatorship of the proletariat" is not democracy, yet democracy is really the most fundamental principle for Leftists. A majority, given proper time to review, debate, phase any changes, etc, should be -- *must* be -- trusted to do what's right. Rightists (counted individually), have just as much right to satisfaction as Leftists (counted individually). If we on the Left, with appropriate speech+reach rights, cannot *convince* them in debate when/where Leftist principles should be applied in any specific context, we have no business *forcing* them.

Believing our argument is *necessarily* superior (and opponents believing the same for theirs) is exactly what gets us into idiotically destructive holy wars, whether it's the Crusades, Marxism, or the current Western struggles. We need more advanced methods for managing human conflict. You know, before we all kill each other off. Isn't that what this blog is, at least in part, about?

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gypsy33's avatar

Notice how few are white.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

They are pseudo-rebels who virtue-signal sticking it to The Man. Beyond farcical.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

When you have no other rebels, you've got to go with what you've got, pseudo though they may be.

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John Mann's avatar

Thanks. That is very interesting. I had not noticed or even thought of that. Thomas Massie is the only one who is actually white anglo-saxon.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Sure, they have to appeal to their base. Their vote wasn't going to matter to Johnson. Look for articles of Johnson and AOC meeting.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

"they somehow think we can win."

They have God on their side and they are righteous. /s

I suppose we could repeal the first amendment. Janet Reno had no problem crushing the cult in Waco. Maybe give the job to her? /s

The article reminds us of Trump's first impeachment and the parade of Ukrainian frauds who the MSM praised as they accused Trump of ridiculous crimes. The concern then was merely to keep the Ukrainian corruption going -- not in finding Trump guilty.

As far as 2020 election fraud, after what the DNC did in 2016 and the 2000 election fiasco, and the inane/insane dependence on electronic voting machines -- OF COURSE there was election fraud in 2020! The Biden side just "cheated better". IOW a win by Biden would not have changed the fact that US elections are rife with corruption and fraud.

This post is not a defense of Johnson (or Trump). He is a despicable human being. A fascist through and through. But so is Biden.

Now, what?

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

I sincerely hope these horrific yet accurate numbers of deaths being reported in mainstream media outlets are reaching those who don't realize the extent of the propaganda they've been subject to from both the US and Israeli governments. The visuals of devastated city blocks are enough to give pause to anyone with half a conscience. There's no way Israel can claim it isn't killing civilians when all you see are the bodies of children and the elderly. Let's keep up the bombardment of truth of Israel's war crimes so the actual bombardment will be forced to cease. There is no excuse for genocide, and anyone who makes excuses for it should be called out and shamed into silence.

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Pancho's avatar

"When Gen. Eisenhower entered the Ohrdruf concentration camp in April 1945, he was horrified by what he witnessed. Eisenhower invited the media into the camp to document the horrors. He forced those Germans living in the surrounding towns and any soldier not fighting at the front to witness the atrocities for themselves. Despite the magnitude of the Holocaust, Eisenhower envisioned a day when men would deny that it had ever happened."

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Susan T's avatar

I wonder what Eisenhower would think if he entered Gaza today.

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Pancho's avatar

He would say we, Americans, should stay as far away from this conflict as possible! We should not be funding Hamas et al, or funding a RICH nation like Israel.

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Pancho's avatar

The killing of Jews in Europe and the Middle East is far older than the United States. Here just one progrom:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

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hierochloe's avatar

as the propaganda continues to lose traction, I expect a resurgence in expanding existing anti-BDS laws and conflations of aid to palestinian humanitarian outfits with "funding terrorism", the latter of which has no top end for how much it can fuck any poor person that gets fingered for it - dangerous stuff

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Shane Pisani's avatar

An insightful prediction!

On the propaganda 'losing traction': Perhaps the anti-BDS laws are the among thing we are all being distracted from - The propaganda is working as intended. For example - some of our best journalists, such as Caitlin, were close to putting the tens of millions of deaths by bioweapon injection into perspective. Instead they have now been derailed by tens of thousands of more recent, more newsworthy deaths.

The sound arguments made here are not reaching 99.999% of the propagandised, who are busy falling for these Ad Hominim attacks, and thence supporting the great degeneration of humanities hopes and dreams, without realising that anti-BDS laws simply existing put a pin in so many illusions (democracy, capitalism, representation, equality under law, etc. etc.), and perfectly predict the last, this and the next campaign of treachery by what Caitlin calls the U.S. empire.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

really didn't like to press "LIKE" w/ a little red heart, for this sad comment.

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GME's avatar

Did anybody else see the massive shift in twitter over the last 10 days? I started out with mostly pro-Palestinian voices in my feed. Today, I am mostly seeing @IDF or rabid Israeli supporters spouting outrageous things. I saw a clip of Former Israeli Prime Minister Lapid saying to the press "if the international media is objective, it serves Hamas."

They know that they need to tighten control over the narrative now more than ever and sadly, they have the means to do so. The slow choking off of the truth disheartens me more than anything.

What hope do Palestinians have?

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Rabid Rabbis!..........furiously trying to contain the facts. ...Good luck with that. ..I believe that images will get out that people can't look away from; like George Floyd.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

To be fair, most American rabbis I've seen lately have been demonstrating AGAINST Israel. Let's not forget those folks.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Most? If that is true, it would be amazing. Where did you see these Rabbis?

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Starry Gordon's avatar

Yesterday (Oct. 28) there were a lot of them occupying (that is, shutting down) Grand Central Station here in NYC in opposition to the slaughter. You've probably seen the pictures.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Just checked it: WOW! What a mob!

No matter how much the USA Gov. supports that criminal country, I think their reputation is way tarnished. forever.

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GME's avatar

Thanks for this Martin. It's helpful to have this resource to back up my experience. Cheers!

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Jeano's avatar

“The ark of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice”. Dr. M. L. King.

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Susan T's avatar

It's not looking good right now, but it would be miraculous if Dr. M.L. King turned out to be right.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

I suppose that's why we call it "faith". There sure isn't much evidence in play.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jeano: The actual quote is:

"The arc of my moral universe is long, but it bends towards your ass." Don King.

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Paula's avatar

I think he said arc, which is quite different.

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bill wolfe's avatar

The Arc of Biden Bends Towards Genocide and Armageddon (10/25)

https://bwolfe.substack.com/p/the-arc-of-biden-bends-toward-genocide

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Peter's avatar

Would this be the same reason the current conflict is called the "Israel-Hamas War" by numerous media outlets (especially here in Australia) when in fact hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are at risk?

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Right. And they don't have much of a military either , do they? Tough little buggers, but bound to lose..........Some "War".

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Paula's avatar

And in France "Le Monde" insists on the "Israel-Hamas war."

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Elisabeth's avatar

You just have to look into Jacques Baud's writings to see that France media landscape is totally FOR propaganda and fairy stories ... (I just finished 'Governing by Fake News')

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Paula's avatar

The French have always been for fairy stories, taking their imaginings for fact. Or even superior to fact. Just read any biography written by a French writer.

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Leonard R. Schmidt's avatar

What is being done to Gaza and the Palestinian people is murderous. 1948 Israel is NOT Biblical Israel, despite having stolen the name. Most Israeli (they do not call themselves Israelites!) are Turk-o-Mongolian Khazarian by race.

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Jenny wren's avatar

This deplorable tactic has been going on for so long and they have gotten away with it. Deliberate and planned genocide of the Palestinian people. Repulsed by the gowned and suited Biden entertaining Anthony Albanese whilst Gaza is the hell on earth Western Leaders have willingly supported Israel in creating.

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Gary's avatar

I see extremists on both sides doing unconscionable things, but it is a hard stretch to possibly support carpet bombing civilians, once upon a time such was labelled psychopathy.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

You live the life of those in Gaza and see if you think anything is too extreme. What those young men did was barbarous but heroic. They expected to die. (....They probably will.)

Check: Nat Turner Rebellion.

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Kojo's avatar

Sadly nothing has changed in a couple hundred years.

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gypsy33's avatar

Or John Brown, Judy.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Nat Turner is a better fit.

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Les's avatar

"You’d have to be a complete idiot to look at the photos and videos . . .".

Say, not an idiot but an ideologue.

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Blowback - Never seems to be in the strategic calculus of the Cultured Elite Leadership Class.

The effects will roll on for years, possibly decades and no Jewish building around the globe can be thought safe.

This present campaign is going to cost . . .

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denmla's avatar

"To learn what is good, a thousand days are not sufficient; to learn what is evil, an hour is too long." - Chinese Proverb

"Evil (ignorance) is like a shadow. It has no real substance of its own, it is simply a lack of light. You cannot cause a shadow to disappear by trying to fight it, stamp on it, by railing against it, or any other form of emotional or physical resistance. In order to cause a shadow to disappear, you must shine light on it." - Shakti Gawain I am bad with English, but I can read and ...........

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John Iversen's avatar

. . . the “apologists” are mis-named . . . the accessory is more truthful.

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“ An accessory is a person who assists in, but does not actually participate in, the commission of a crime. The distinction between an accessory and a principal is a question of fact and degree:

The principal is the one whose acts or omissions, accompanied by the relevant mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind"), are the most immediate cause of the actus reus (Latin for "guilty act").

If two or more people are directly responsible for the actus reus, they can be charged as joint principals (see common purpose). The test to distinguish a joint principal from an accessory is whether the defendant independently contributed to causing the actus reus rather than merely giving generalised and/or limited help and encouragement.

Elements

In some jurisdictions, an accessory is distinguished from an accomplice, who normally is present at the crime and participates in some way. An accessory must generally have knowledge that a crime is being committed, will be committed, or has been committed. A person with such knowledge may become an accessory by helping or encouraging the criminal in some way. The assistance to the criminal may be of any type, including emotional or financial assistance as well as physical assistance or concealment.”

- from Wiki

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So . . . what you to have is not “the apology to wholesale murder” but “the accessory to mass murder” . Period.

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Jerome Armstrong's avatar

Pretty much the same playbook as the vaccine zealots, with their anti-vax and anti-science bs projections. Now they are dead quiet about it, fuckin hypocrites.

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Kurt's avatar

Caitlin,

The first article I've ever read of you (I don't remember how it came to my attention) was https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/rabbit-holes-and-men-behind-curtains and instantly, I knew I had found someone to take interest in.

"And you realize then that there is no man behind the curtain, and there never was. You ripped aside curtain after curtain hoping to find the man, and all you found was a man-shaped hole in the universe."

I can recommend everyone to read the whole build up towards this (and even more) wisdom.

Nowadays, your writings have a different tone. Less contemplating, more pleading. Of course very understandable. 100%.

I hope you could somehow follow up on the above article, trying to make sense of the atrocities being done, in Ukraine, in Gaza (and surely elsewhere, too, but not 'in the news'), how there is a very same dynamic in the 9/11 Scare as well as in the Covid Panic, how those same politicians (the wealthy players being invisible) like Macron, Trudeau, Rutte, Biden (and many others but they've already left the scene) were co-working in manipulating the world into health ruin (pushing the experimental injections into millions), division (vaxed vs vax free) and mental ruin, trust ruin (what's real, who to believe, is science bought) and now doing exactly the same in a more visible/tangible way in Gaza.

Looking at pictures of concrete rumble, devastation... it's like a physical emancipation of what they've done on a larger scale, on a 'mental' scale worldwide.

I am not sure if I express myself clearly but watching the Gaza massacre unfold, it's like reliving the Covid Saga but in a different shape.

On top of that, and that's what I reallly (sorry!) wanted to talk about, is that everytime a big drama hits the world, you find yourself on one side of an invisible line (e.g. vaxed persons vs vax free persons) and the other side is your 'opponent' (in a way!). And then something else happens, say war in Ukraine and you find that the line is jumping, some of your 'allies' are no longer on your side of the line, and your circle becomes smaller. Then Gaza happens, and again, the line changes and your circle of trust becomes even smaller.

That's how I am feeling nowadays and I felt a connection with your thoughts in the Curtain Article. In the end, will be just all alone?

I know that (one of ) the solution(s) is to be able to forgive the one on the other side of the line and try to come to a mutual understanding. But that's a very hard effort to do (for me, I have to admit) these days. 9/11 was a wake up, the Covid Scare was the nightmare. Since, I've been seeing everything, every action, every person through the Corona Magnifying Glass, I've lost trust in my fellow man, I see (most of the time) how stupid, (intelectual) lazy, selfish and/or cowardly they are. They always categorize in one or a combination of these. And I am longing for people who are not stupid, lazy, selfish nor cowardly. Is this what they meant in that movie The Matrix about taking the blue or red pill? I know it's Holywood stuff but in a way, the world around me feels very distopian.

To end on a positive note, though these thoughts do not sound happy-happy, I am (with a small group) working on something that may help to create a brighter future (no need to elaborate on it here, but just saying, if someone reads this, don't be too discouraged, there is always a silver lining*).

*I'm not a native English speaker but silver lining is a very beautiful phrasing

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gypsy33's avatar

I hope what you’re working on is a revolution. If so, please count me in.

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Kurt's avatar

:-) Actually, what we are working on IS revolutionary, but not in the violent way. As long as people are used to think within the framework of the reality as it is presented to them (through classic school system, mass media, old school politics, many books*...) , revolution is just cleaning up the boxes in the garage by arranging a new order for the boxes within the garage. The idea is however very revolutionary as well as very universal. But non-violent, most of all. And (in theory) easy to do. Maybe I should just start my own Substack page? ;-)

* Like Murakami said: "If you only read the books everybody else is reading, you can only think what everybody else is thinking"

PS: And no, it's not some esotheric, wishy washy idea.

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Jack Lomax's avatar

Distortion and belligerence are the two main weapons of Zion and the Zionists. They could actually have written the playbook for Nineteen Eighty Four. If George Orwell were alive today I expect he would think that his persecuted truth telling hero Winston Smith could be found in the dungeons of Tel Aviv.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jack Lomax: Are you talking about the Dungeon Club in Tel Aviv"

https://www.ellgeebe.com/en/destinations/asia/israel/tel-aviv/nightlife/dungeon-club

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