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Fran's avatar

What if you live inside an empire and you don't support its propaganda, and are even actively trying to make changes? I was very active in the antiwar movement when the US made the decision to go to war with Iraq. Truth came to light, here and there, but of course we went to war no matter how many marches, or how many people marched, or called their representatives. Made not one bit of difference, and maybe that's why the movement died. Hard to make a difference in your own backyard let alone China. However because you live in the good old USA doesn't mean you can't be empathetic to those in other countries

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37's avatar

Most of the revolutions in other countries are sponsored, fomented, and orchestrated by our CIA and purely in the interests of bringing those nations under the Westernized Central Banking Cabal model. They're not organic grass-roots movements.

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Jeano's avatar

Perfect. I totally agree.

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Fran's avatar

I know that the CIA since it's inception after WWII has orchestrated through the decades the overthrow of governments, killed off heads of state, and has engaged in many activities which directly or indirectly have killed millions of people, but I fail to see Caitlin's point in this article. You come from America, and support in one way or another those that are looking for more pay, better housing, greater equality in a country that maybe at odds with our agenda, but I am not my country.

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Kojo's avatar

You could also reflect on the fact that when any of these countries has an actual left progressive socialist government committed to providing better pay, greater equality etc…..the agenda of the US govt is ALWAYS: to topple or remove them!

That’s been the case since the 1950s right through until today.

So when the very same US government is fanning these protesters, you should ask why. Because they would never be allowed by the US govt to actually implement a left progressive agenda.

In which case, why are you getting yourself caught up in spreading the US govt astroturfed protest, aimed mainly at regime change……and the subsequent establishment of not left progressive govt but rather neoliberals.

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Jeano's avatar

Brilliant!

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37's avatar

"You come from America, and support in one way or another those that are looking for more pay, better housing, greater equality in a country that maybe at odds with our agenda, but I am not my country."

I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you rewrite it another way?

Who is "our" for example?

What do you mean you "are not your country?"

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Fran's avatar

Oh, I get it now, so if Iran has protests we use it as justification for attacking it's government and it's leadership, a country we would love to topple, in other words by leftist lending support we are without knowing adding to US propaganda. Good point. Since I was a kid I separated my government from the people, and no doubt do the same in regard to other countries. I had an uncle who was a chief engineer in the Merchant Marines, and there wasn't a country he hadn't been to. He had a global perspective on the world which I thought was great. No governments just people which is what I was thinking here. Thanks!

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Merfy Mac's avatar

You’ve said it perfectly.

Imperialist governments EXPLOIT the public support by good-hearted people in an empire country for people protesting in an empire-targeted country, to amplify and broaden their “hybrid” attack on the foreign govt.

The end result of a foreign government overthrown by an imperial power is pain, plunder and peonage for its people. Not liberation. Not security. Not a better future for the people.

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37's avatar

Yes

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

If you live inside an empire and you are only trying to make changes, you are merely begging for the clemency of a master who doesn't have any material or moral reason to accede. They are holding up the system in which you beg them for your life and suborn yourself to their whims, and they get to feel good about "giving" life to you. In trying to break that system, you're actually holding it up.

The Protestant moral persuasion movement has ended up as an exhausted, obsolete, or intentionally defective theory of change. Like Rev. Warnock (D-GA) all but said, they're merely a theater for moral performance. We can, and IMO should, tear down this theater and devalue virtue signaling, so that "morality" generates material wealth, rather than consuming it like private equity overhead.

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Person Online's avatar

Any support you give to the empire props it up to some extent. The more support you refuse to give it, the closer it inches towards collapse. And collapse is the only plausible goal if you hope to some day see an end to the empire.

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37's avatar

BTW, I ran across this and thought of our exchange here, it's related yet only a small part of the entire issue.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VU1UUobac83L/

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Jeano's avatar

Exactly!!

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37's avatar

The control lies in the banking/currency system, which is terminally centralized at this point.

What has happened in our Christ-forsaken world is that we've turned our focus/worship/hearts to mammon. In short, we worship mammon.

The ENTIRE financial system is run by satanists, literally. Instead of "investing in their markets," those wishing to avoid terminal enslavement, should be investing in each other and small businesses.

But you see, all of those peoples' focuses are on wealth, making more of it, etc., and the "small business" model that promises liberty, doesn't make them wealthy, so they stay in the The Company Currency model, ... to THEIR OWN, and OUR, ultimate demise.

That's overly simplistic, but that's the gist of it.

In short, we worship mammon, and I refer to those that claim to be Christian that have fallen for the "Christians can seek wealth too" mantra.

This is why Jesus warned that it's easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle that it is for a rich man to enter his Kingdom, which was there, and has been here, since he arrived on earth. Think about it, what was the very first thing he told people that wanted to follow him? ...

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.... it was to sell all that they owned or give it away and follow him. Material possessions get in the way of true faith. We're mostly all guilty of it to one or more extents, but continually wanting "more" and "more" becomes worship of "more"/mammon. My brother is like that, the word "enough" is simply not in his vocabularly as is the case with most wealthy people.

And as long as they pay their 10% at church, the Americanized church equivalent of Carbon Credits, then the rest of their filthy lucre, obtained in our satanic financial SYSTEM, is theirs.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Ever notice that the professions that prop up that SYSTEM the most generally speaking seem to get paid the most from it.

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