I can understand that leftists might be worried that they will be targeted along with conservatives. That's the bed they made for themselves when they allied with and allowed themselves to be used by center-fascist Democrats. I certainly agree that truly violent racists who drag someone to death behind a pickup or otherwise turn people of another race into "strange fruit" must be decisively shut down. So should people who violently beat people, including journalists, with bicycle locks and baseball bats and even stalk and summarily execute people with whom they disagree politically. Clearly, government doesn't need additional laws to do that. We even have laws against terroristic threats such as those that forced Andy Ngo to flee his home in Portland. Existing laws need to be enforced in Democrat-run cities like Portland, Seattle, Chicago and Atlanta.
At the same time, the right to non-violent dissent must be protected on both left and right, and that includes people who non-violently express ideas about race we don't agree with, or who have said nothing at all about race but simply believe the 2020 election was stolen. Misdemeanors like trespass must not be exaggerated to felony charges because of politics, nor should such offenders be jailed without "cash bail" while violent repeat offenders are released because they are thought to be apolitical, poor or "oppressed." Entrapment of conservatives is just as wrong as entrapment of Muslims. So far, I have heard of no entrapment of people who support BLM or Antifa, but truly non-violent anti-corpos of the left are correct to fear it. It will come.
So far, the fascist center is holding, with the acquiescence of "extremists" of the anti-capitalist persuasion. Thus, Capitol Hill police are given a pass for the execution of unarmed Ashli Babbitt, who non-violently attempted to climb through a window. Her death was every bit as agregious as any of the BLM martyrs. "Leftists" need to be building bridges of unity with peaceful anti-authoritarian voices on the right like Glenn Greenwald. Perhaps that's what Caitlin is trying to say at the end of the article. While her claim that "the Capitol riot was immediately used as an excuse to target the left" is a bit exaggerated, her warning is spot on. While a smattering of state laws criminalizing peaceful protest and the isolated arrests of people who used frankly violent language but no overt acts of violence are not a coordinated attack by federal authorities, they are a warning not to be taken lightly. Leftists need to protest the treatment of the Capitol rioters, none of whom caused serious injuries to police. If they don't, they will be next.
With the exception of a few KKK types responsible for a few outright murders during the days of the Civil Rights Struggle I am unaware of any from the Right who have suffered serious persecution from the regime in my lifetime. Until now with those who assaulted the Capitol. Even people like Amonn Bundy have been left more or less alone.
On the other hand, you are quite right about "center Fascists". Those ignorant of our real history will be unaware that it was the great Liberal Woodrow Wilson who launched a nation-wide purge, literally, of the old Socialist Party. Even putting its presidential candidate in jail, and exiling or even lynching others of its cadre.
The behavior of the US regime abroad, particularly in Latin America shows its absolute and militant opposition to not only socialism but even to FDR-type liberalism. We may be absolutely sure, push comes to shove, that there will be a bloody purge whenever it looks like socialism is again resurgent. And that soon.
I'd like to say, across the barricades, that at least you guys sense something not right about the corrupt and murderous regime now in charge. Where you go wrong is to believe the problem stems from a few little brown immigrants or black welfare moms. It comes from the very rich white poohbahs who fund your movements.
What on earth leads you to believe I think "the problem stems from a few little brown immigrants or black welfare moms?" Nothing I wrote suggests that. Do you also ass-ume I'm a Republican or voted for Donald Trump?
BTW I disagree that entering the Capital after being told not to by the guards present there is an act of non-violent protest. Breaking and entering is a form of violence to property at the least. However, it did not deserve a death sentence.
You know who else likes to target the left? The right wing. I really hate all this talk about "right/left alliance" as if it is so natural an idea that nobody can question it without being some "Maddow Liberal" or whatever. It actually makes me want to puke. Left/right alliance? Reminds me of the end of the Weimar Republics, No thanks!
What you've said is part of the problem. You categorize and make assumptions. I didn't say to ally with ALL voices on the right, but to listen and find those with whom you have some agreement. Greenwald has consistently favored respect for the Bill of Right, meaning privacy, speech and due process. Those rights protect us all. He's also consistently been anti-war. What's to disagree with?
I followed Greenwald until he starting sprouting such nonsense as, "Bannon is a Socialist" (though seems to decline such a title for Bannon's carbon copy, and topic of Greenwald's latest book, Bolsonaro). I have been completely alienated by him and his rhetoric which has become so one-sided that it seems to me he is just going where the money is.
Do you think he's making more money now than he was at the Intercept? I was disappointed he stayed with the Intercept so long, but he has been consistent in the ways I suggested.
Perhaps, but can you provide a quote where he proposed curtailment of individual rights, or supported war? I was disappointed that he tacitly went along with what the Intercept was doing such as smearing Tulsi Gabbard, but I don't think he ever explicitly supported it and he finally did break with it when it was no longer tolerable.
Weimar Republic (singular) I mean. Ribbentrop-Molotov comes to mind too. What an awful idea. What's worse, the case for such an alliance was never even made. Us everyday leftists just supposed to swallow this "accepted wisdom." The answer is no.
I can understand that leftists might be worried that they will be targeted along with conservatives. That's the bed they made for themselves when they allied with and allowed themselves to be used by center-fascist Democrats. I certainly agree that truly violent racists who drag someone to death behind a pickup or otherwise turn people of another race into "strange fruit" must be decisively shut down. So should people who violently beat people, including journalists, with bicycle locks and baseball bats and even stalk and summarily execute people with whom they disagree politically. Clearly, government doesn't need additional laws to do that. We even have laws against terroristic threats such as those that forced Andy Ngo to flee his home in Portland. Existing laws need to be enforced in Democrat-run cities like Portland, Seattle, Chicago and Atlanta.
At the same time, the right to non-violent dissent must be protected on both left and right, and that includes people who non-violently express ideas about race we don't agree with, or who have said nothing at all about race but simply believe the 2020 election was stolen. Misdemeanors like trespass must not be exaggerated to felony charges because of politics, nor should such offenders be jailed without "cash bail" while violent repeat offenders are released because they are thought to be apolitical, poor or "oppressed." Entrapment of conservatives is just as wrong as entrapment of Muslims. So far, I have heard of no entrapment of people who support BLM or Antifa, but truly non-violent anti-corpos of the left are correct to fear it. It will come.
So far, the fascist center is holding, with the acquiescence of "extremists" of the anti-capitalist persuasion. Thus, Capitol Hill police are given a pass for the execution of unarmed Ashli Babbitt, who non-violently attempted to climb through a window. Her death was every bit as agregious as any of the BLM martyrs. "Leftists" need to be building bridges of unity with peaceful anti-authoritarian voices on the right like Glenn Greenwald. Perhaps that's what Caitlin is trying to say at the end of the article. While her claim that "the Capitol riot was immediately used as an excuse to target the left" is a bit exaggerated, her warning is spot on. While a smattering of state laws criminalizing peaceful protest and the isolated arrests of people who used frankly violent language but no overt acts of violence are not a coordinated attack by federal authorities, they are a warning not to be taken lightly. Leftists need to protest the treatment of the Capitol rioters, none of whom caused serious injuries to police. If they don't, they will be next.
With the exception of a few KKK types responsible for a few outright murders during the days of the Civil Rights Struggle I am unaware of any from the Right who have suffered serious persecution from the regime in my lifetime. Until now with those who assaulted the Capitol. Even people like Amonn Bundy have been left more or less alone.
On the other hand, you are quite right about "center Fascists". Those ignorant of our real history will be unaware that it was the great Liberal Woodrow Wilson who launched a nation-wide purge, literally, of the old Socialist Party. Even putting its presidential candidate in jail, and exiling or even lynching others of its cadre.
The behavior of the US regime abroad, particularly in Latin America shows its absolute and militant opposition to not only socialism but even to FDR-type liberalism. We may be absolutely sure, push comes to shove, that there will be a bloody purge whenever it looks like socialism is again resurgent. And that soon.
I'd like to say, across the barricades, that at least you guys sense something not right about the corrupt and murderous regime now in charge. Where you go wrong is to believe the problem stems from a few little brown immigrants or black welfare moms. It comes from the very rich white poohbahs who fund your movements.
What on earth leads you to believe I think "the problem stems from a few little brown immigrants or black welfare moms?" Nothing I wrote suggests that. Do you also ass-ume I'm a Republican or voted for Donald Trump?
Bang!
Yes, we are all on the agenda.
BTW I disagree that entering the Capital after being told not to by the guards present there is an act of non-violent protest. Breaking and entering is a form of violence to property at the least. However, it did not deserve a death sentence.
Peace!
Were all those videos and photos of them beat up up cops all fakes then? The mob was anything but non-violent.
You know who else likes to target the left? The right wing. I really hate all this talk about "right/left alliance" as if it is so natural an idea that nobody can question it without being some "Maddow Liberal" or whatever. It actually makes me want to puke. Left/right alliance? Reminds me of the end of the Weimar Republics, No thanks!
What you've said is part of the problem. You categorize and make assumptions. I didn't say to ally with ALL voices on the right, but to listen and find those with whom you have some agreement. Greenwald has consistently favored respect for the Bill of Right, meaning privacy, speech and due process. Those rights protect us all. He's also consistently been anti-war. What's to disagree with?
I followed Greenwald until he starting sprouting such nonsense as, "Bannon is a Socialist" (though seems to decline such a title for Bannon's carbon copy, and topic of Greenwald's latest book, Bolsonaro). I have been completely alienated by him and his rhetoric which has become so one-sided that it seems to me he is just going where the money is.
Do you think he's making more money now than he was at the Intercept? I was disappointed he stayed with the Intercept so long, but he has been consistent in the ways I suggested.
I think it is entirely possible, even probable at the rate his newsletter costs, that he is making more than the intercept.
Perhaps, but can you provide a quote where he proposed curtailment of individual rights, or supported war? I was disappointed that he tacitly went along with what the Intercept was doing such as smearing Tulsi Gabbard, but I don't think he ever explicitly supported it and he finally did break with it when it was no longer tolerable.
Weimar Republic (singular) I mean. Ribbentrop-Molotov comes to mind too. What an awful idea. What's worse, the case for such an alliance was never even made. Us everyday leftists just supposed to swallow this "accepted wisdom." The answer is no.